Sorry. Not the Celtiberians. They were mostly cleanshaven, although some tribes whore full-beards. No Gallic moustache.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSYCHO V
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Sorry. Not the Celtiberians. They were mostly cleanshaven, although some tribes whore full-beards. No Gallic moustache.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSYCHO V
Well, in MTW, Darts actually had greater range than Javelins. Was that innacurate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranika
I can alter the beard and hair in MAX. No problem on that. But I haven't got that model yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dead Moroz
Take care about face - make it normal color, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aymar de Bois Mauri
Badly from what I can tell. It's not that a dart can't be thrown further, it's that, it's not what it's used for. Darts are made to throw at very close range, they're thrown straight at the target, not arched into the air. The idea was to use it to disarray a charging line, while you hold position. Every man throws his darts as quickly as he can, aiming for the head/neck/upper torso area of the target. If one is lucky, it will disintegrate the enemy front line. However, that was the Irish tactic, but, their darts were of a Gallic design. I think then, it's probably decent to infer they were basing their tactic upon Gallic fighting, since they were using what were essentially Gallic darts. Could easily be wrong there though, but I've never heard of darts being used, en masse, in any other way. The other method was essentially to skirmish with them, but even then, they'd run in close and hurl them straight, and withdraw, trying to draw attention away from a main attack force that would hit the target (now occupied with trying to chase down the men who threw the darts).Quote:
Originally Posted by Aymar de Bois Mauri
I have skinned almoust all of the schythians , and the numidians , I will post here only a preview , while the full set in the appropiate thread , to not eat much bandwidth.... ~:cheers:
I tried to adapt the meshes that we have for scythians to the plates I have from Osprey to make them similar but more eterogeneal in their aspect.....
http://img88.exs.cx/img88/5636/jpg13.jpg
here to see the others....
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/index...=0#entry275237
Nice models prometheus
Could we ask officially to Agrippa to join this project , since he already made the romans and are looking great so no need to make things two times....
Well, PROMETEUS! I really like the colors you've used for the Scythian Nobles, but I have to say that most of the others are badly needing a complete re-design in MAX.
Axemen and Archer Warband are nothing similar to what the Scythians used as soldiers. IIRC, Scythians never fought barechested and never used those Gaulish hairstyles. They used large beards, long flowing air and never just a moustache. Aditionaly, the women we see depicted as fighters did not use breast-cups. They used scale armour similar to the men.
BTW, Head-Hunting Maidens are getting the sack.
Another note: Are you working for any other MOD in TWC? It would be good if we kept our work a little bit restrained here before we make a public release.
Agrippa made excellent Romans. I really think we should ask him but the question is would he join us ? Other mods want to add his work to theirs. It won't hurt to ask.
Nice prometheus ~:cheers:
I also agree Aymar. MAX ! MAX ! MAX !
Agrippa is a part of the Trivium, with whom we already have a working relationship. Members of the Trivium have expressed strong interest in working together more closely with EB, and as soon as we have a solid sense of what that means I can give you all information to discuss, about future possibilities.
In any event, I am relatively sure that Agrippa would be happy to allow us to use his work, and I am also relatively sure that he is happy working with the Trivium and would not want to leave. It may turn out in the end that we invite him to work on skins for the EB project, but that is a part of the Trivium-EB future thing we still need to talk about and discuss among ourselves. See the "Trivium" thread in the protected forum for more details.
About the models you are rihght , I couldn't use 3dsmax since when it loads the screen in it shows my descktop and I can't use it till I find A way to fix it .....sio I had to be limited to simple skinning , may be someonelse can mesh them up and use the skins I made , anyway here there is a simple comparison between the plates I used for inspiration and the skins I made......
http://img22.exs.cx/img22/5318/jpg7.jpg
Absolutely agreed with Aymar. Sorry, PROMETEUS, I have to say that this time you made bad work. :rtwno: Both 3d models and textures must be redone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aymar de Bois Mauri
And we must get rid of all female warriors!
You sexist pig :)
(what about Britons? Was Boadicea a one-time exception?)
There were female warriors in some Celtic armies, and while they weren't really a miniscule number of exceptions, they also didn't usually ever occur in a great enough number to actually have entire units of them.
Boudicca actually wasn't a warrior, she was more or less pushed to fight out of anger. Her 'army' mostly consisted of non-professional peasants. When she was defeated, at the battle, the families (including wives, the important part there) of the men fighting turned up at the battle to watch it, not fight in it. So, while female warriors did exist, until we can have a unit with multiple, random models in it (and have a female model that would show up rarely), it would be a big anachronism to have a unit of female soldiers in the armies of the Britons.
Ok question then , when I open max and import a unit , lets say i just want to substituite a new shield , I delete the old one , i place in the similar position the new one and then what I do , my problem is with the bone thing how should i do to keep the animation and make it work with the new shield?, same thing with ani weapon or difference, If you explain me this part I will be able to remake them better..... :bow:
(but anyway there where female warriors in the scythian culture , just look at the plates, ...even breast naked barbarians , see always the plates , only few could afford full scale armours since was expencive , the majority would not , anyway i would say that do I need to change only the meshes or the colour schemes too ?)
That's what I tried to say... or was going to say... some day. ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranika
... and the Scythians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranika
And the Scythians! Meant to say that, that was the whole bloody point. Thanks for adding that in there.
From:
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache...+WARRIOR&hl=pl :
"[...] A role adopted because there is 100% firm
archaeological evidence to support the fighting role of Scythian and Sarmatian women within their societies"
"[...] in the 21st century, archaeologists are re-evaluating these finds. To their surprise many of the heavily weaponed bodies previously categorised as male have since turned out to be female, including the Golden warrior of Issyk. In fact, it is estimated that 30% of a Scythian fighting force would be comprised of women."
"Over the last few years, archaeologists working on over 44 Kurgans near the town of Pokrovka in Kazakhstan at the Russian border have uncovered the remains of women buried with swords and daggers, along with quivers containing arrows with bronze heads. Boney changes on the women‘s skeletons show that they spent many years in the saddle and most
had met violent death in battle. (Noble Wilford, J. 1997) These women are Sarmatian"
"To round this off I was talking with the renowned author Peter Connelly in August 2002 about the possibility of women being seen amongst Hoplite ranks and upon consideration he was in agreement that this was probably a valid hypothesis, based on illustrations and what is now known of the ”barbarian‘ contribution. ”However..‘, he mused, ”..they would have worn trousers‘. "
Any comments?
I don't doubt Scythian women fought, but how many of them did? This is like the Druidae argument. The British druids fought, but in so small a number, so rarely, are they really viable as a unit in the game? How often did these Scythian/Sarmatian women fight? For what span of time did they fight? If they were in common enough numbers that they could make up several units of an army, I'd have no objection, really.
However, I stand quite firmly by comments on the Britons, who did have female warriors, but in small numbers, and integrated into other forces, not a fighting force of their own.
I suppose the question here is not whether women fought, but whether their fighting was any different from that of men... did they use different tactics, wear different gear, use different weapons... I guess not... so probably just doing all Scythian warriors clean-shaven and with long hair would be enough? This way we could always say that 30% of those warriors are female, you just can't tell them apart ;)
You should remake them all completely. If you really want to make good Scythian units, not that Hollywood cartoon stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS
Don't pay too much attention to Osprey's plates. They are not always right (moreover you "copied" them wrong). Use primary sources when it's possible. I posted pictures in restricted area.
yes but I need more info on how to , not how they where....
anyway in the mneanwhile what about this?
http://img21.exs.cx/img21/5242/jpg9.jpg
I love the elephants. I agree with eadingas, there is good evidence that Scythian and Sarmatian women fought. But, on the same token, do they fight so differently that they need a new unit? I think not. There's a lot more relevant units than two units of noble horse archers. (30% is an exxageration, IMO, probably no more than 10%). We should include a blurb in the description giving credit to the women, but leave some room for better warriors.
Per favore di attendere un pezzetto di fare alcune unità, PROMETHEUS. Se lei vuole, le darò alcune descrizioni buone per le unità che non ha bisogno di niente ma una pelle nuova.
Tiene a mente che parlo il francese. Il mio italiano è assolutamente orribile e la mia grammatica è peggiore.
Unless that rumor of Trivium learning how to do multiple models is true. Then we could have two cavalry models for Scythians and Sarmatians - male and female, and have them mixed up in a cav archers unit, maybe...
That'd be cool as hell.
yes please post me the units I can reskin without the need to use max .... ~:cheers:Quote:
Per favore di attendere un pezzetto di fare alcune unità, PROMETHEUS. Se lei vuole, le darò alcune descrizioni buone per le unità che non ha bisogno di niente ma una pelle nuova.
Non appena PM di Aymar me sostengo, farò PM lei le descrizioni di unità e vede se lei può prendere alcuni di loro fatto.
I have.Quote:
Originally Posted by eadingas
First, I don't believe much to American and Western European archeologists specialized on Scythians. They are rather theorists than real archeologists (because they have very limited access to the subject they study). And I was surprised when find out that the leader of excavations in Pokrovka (near modern Volgograd; or Stalingrad in WW2) was American archeologist Jeannine Davis-Kimball. She wrote book about women warriors. Maybe I'll even buy it, but it will take loooong time for me to get it. Did anybody read this book yet? I'm afraid that because she is woman and American (I mean that popular feministic spirits and political correctness) she may not be objective.
I found articles describing new theories about "Golden warrior" from Issyk mound (southern-eastern Kazakhstan). Yes, there are some things pointing out that the dead person was woman. But these new facts are not enough to sure say it was woman.
Second, you might missed one important thing. All these stories (by Herodotus and other ancient authors) are about eastern neighbors of Scythians. All these "sensational" finds was made in regions to the east of Scythia. In Scythian art you cannot find any image of female warrior. This amazonic stuff is not related to Scythians. So we MUST get rid of Hunting Maidens and Scythian Noblewomen.
These female units could be created for Sarmatian faction. But anyway their historical reliability is doubtful.
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Non appena PM di Aymar me sostengo, farò PM lei le descrizioni di unità e vede se lei può prendere alcuni di loro fatto.
mmmmmm sorry in english? :embarassed:
Told you my Italian was terrible...
Anyway, I'll get you some units to skin when Aymar tells me which ones don't need entirely new models.
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Non appena PM di Aymar me sostengo, farò PM lei le descrizioni di unità e vede se lei può prendere alcuni di loro fatto.
mmmmmm sorry in english? :embarassed:
Dead Moroz: when you say 'east', don't you actually mean 'west'? I'm getting a little confused here... Since you mention Sarmatians and Volgograd...
I haven't read the book, but there was a PBS special on Kimball's work. Here's a link to the SITE for that episode, it includes a limited interview with Kimball. Keep in mind that this series is somewhat "history lite," so to speak, and it focuses on theories rather than actual archaeology, like you suggested - I'd imagine this reflects more on the show than Kimball, but I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dead Moroz
EDIT: Oh, and whatever the case, it does seem to be a bit of a stretch to have a Scythian or Sarmatian unit that is entirely made up of women.
Isn't it so that as far as we know the Scythians/Sarmatians, didnt make much difference between Men and Women? Also there are IMHO by far enoug sources to include maybe two Female Units for them, one on Foot, one on Horseback. This was a Thing so Typical for all we know about these Peoples that it would be Kind of Stupid NOT to include it if we're for historical Accuracy, anyway i agree it shouldnt be silly Amazon Stuff but should be based on what was found in Women's Graves and on Plates we know.
Btw: There were severeal Specials about Scythians in German TV in the Last Time and they showed that on Scyhtian Artwork it's relatively likely that they can Identify some Pictured Persons as Women, also they found Women in Graves dug in with Swords AND "Cosmetic Articles" of that Time.
I'm all for one or two Female Units for Scythians/Sarmatians
Don't understand you. What did you want to say?Quote:
Originally Posted by eadingas
Scythians surely did. They had clearly defined "phallocratic" society. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Salazar
Evidences! Give us evidences!Quote:
Originally Posted by Salazar
I've never heard anything about foot squads of "amazons".
And what are those things So-Typical-For-Scythians in your opinion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Salazar
Now the old elephants look really, really, really ugly. Not until seeing the two together did the original end up looking that bad to me.
Well, I'm looking at the map and I can't tell which Scyths do you mean: the ones in 'Scythia' around the Black Sea, or the ones around and beyond Caspian? Because Sarmatians and Pokrovka are east of the former, and west of the latter...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dead Moroz
As for the gender differences in Scythian society, I tend to agree with Salazar, although as sources I can only quote numerous essays and articles found on the internet, regarding role of transsexuals and transgendered people in Scythia. This probably is not that much reliable source, however, one must keep in mind that 'gender studies'. or whatever you call it, are a new branch, and most of the data is also new... I can easily see how 'masculine' scientists of older days could misinterpret the data to support their view of things just as much as 'feminine' scientists of new may do... I think the matter is still unresolved... this is why I proposed to make one model 'androgynous' in features, since if the women fought, in all probability they fought in the same gear and manners as men, so except for facial hair they would be indistinguishable...
Of course the problem here is that Scythian men in iconography DID have facial hair.... quite lots of it...
The problem here is fast becoming political correctness. Gender studies tends to make up 'facts' to support predetermined conclusions... like old school Marxists or Marcusians. Scythians probably had a mostly male fighting force. Sarmatians also had a mostly male fighting force, though less so than the Scyths. They would not have had all female units. And their men would not look androgynous. Point me to an article about the transgendered in Scythia though. That sounds morbidly interesting... (didn't think they existed in the ancient world)
And here is how should be , I used the dress colour s of Agrippa , I hope He won't mind since this way it will blend better with his own.....
http://img94.exs.cx/img94/8006/jpg3.jpg
http://img94.exs.cx/img94/7351/jpg4.jpg
still some small detail to fix but more or less done I hope you like this time .... ~D
Rest assured about Agrippa. We're taking care of that... :smile:Quote:
Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS
OK, no problem. We'll get someone to alter tham in MAX. Even I can do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS
About the pics, not bad. Some appear a lot closer to what I know, but most will really need remodelling. Good effort though!!! :thumbsup:
Go easy on him. He tries hard...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dead Moroz
Sorry. Not all. Some Scythian women fought on horseback alongside men.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dead Moroz
Well, I bumped into that problem too. I don't think you can solve that one, because of the bone linking. The best solution is to remodel the existing shield. It's a frustrating and time consuming job, but it can be done. The best would be for you to PM The Samnite, Vercingetorix or PSYCHO V, because I think they have already gone through the process. I have tried to remodel one and it was a bad experience. I'll try it again later.Quote:
Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS
As I've said, some of them can be included with a few modelling touches.Quote:
Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS
Prometheus, nice work. Any plans of a version with white tunics?
Great work on the elehants, PROMETEUS!!! :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS
BTW, you could try to reskin some Seleucid units that will be used for the Ptolemaic faction. Remeber to save you Seleucid textures before altering them. :grin:
I like them very much. :grin2:Quote:
Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS
Only one detail. The Hastati should have, on the shoulder, a similar leather strap strap to the ones on the sides, shouldn't they? :confused:
BTW, we will need three new Roman units that only need new textures. I'll PM you with the details tomorrow. ~:)
Great work once again PROMETEUS ~:cheers: Are you going to change the men ontop of the elephant also ? I think it will be nice also.
Agrippa !!!!! Agrippa!!! Agrippa!!!! joins the roster ? ~:eek:
You lads are going to make this game very addicting. ~:handball:
African forest elephant
Carthaginians
http://www.hat.com/Curr/elet1.jpg
http://www.hat.com/Curr/elet2.jpg
Carthaginians
The Elephant crew
http://www.hat.com/Curr/elet3.jpghttp://www.hat.com/Curr/elet4.jpghttp://www.hat.com/Curr/elet6.jpg
Editor's notes: All texts that I've read on the North African forest elephant Loxodonta africana cyclotis say that it is extinct. There can be no doubt that these elephants are not in North Africa. Therefore I was somewhat surprised to find in the new issue (Feb. '99) of the National Geographic magazine that the Loxodonta africana cyclotis or African forest elephant is alive and kicking in Central Africa. Though no dimensions are given for these elephants, they are apparently the same as the ones that Carthage used. About 200,00 of them (to 400,000 of the large African elephants) are still around, though like their North African kin, they are threatened by extinction, not as people movers this time, but for their tusks.
Elephantine, jumbo, mammoth, anyway you look at it, elephants are big, from the Africanus to the Indicus, well, actually except for ours. The Carthaginians used the North African Forest elephant Loxodonta africana cyclotis now extinct (probably due to homo sapiens). These guys only stood about 7-8 ft tall at the shoulder. Sources show the elephants either with a tower or without. With a tower the modus operandi was obvious, you speared or shot at your enemies from a moving hill. Without the tower, the elephants' purpose would be trampling or just breaking up enemy formations by sheer bulk. Ancient writers have noted that horses, if confronted by elephants for the first time, were prone to panic due to the strange smell. However, elephants themselves were easily panicked, and battles have been lost by panicking or turning the elephants against their own soldiers.
http://img22.exs.cx/img22/5242/jpg9.jpg
strill working oin those two , now I post the other officers of the late period , for all those I followed this time scrupolosly the plates without adding anything more......
Ok I finished the two and completed those ones , the face mask of the standard bearer still needs a little work tough.....
http://img22.exs.cx/img22/9046/jpg10.jpg
great work on the late centurion, you did a good job showing how the army"barbarianized".
Excellent :guitarist:
http://img89.exs.cx/img89/9180/jpg6.jpg
face mask fixed.....
http://img22.exs.cx/img22/7816/jpg11.jpg
Here is the legionary cohort I
I mean the Scythians in "official" Scythia (northern Black Sea).Quote:
Originally Posted by eadingas
Those ones whom you call "later Scythians" are Scythians in comprehensive sense, just nomads. The real later Scythians dwelled in Crimea and close surroundings.
Links, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by eadingas
Sorry, I did not want to offend anybody. It's just a statement of fact, nothing personal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aymar de Bois Mauri
Would you mind I quote myself? ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Aymar de Bois Mauri
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Originally Posted by Dead Moroz
Ah, so that's where the confusion comes from...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dead Moroz
So how about making the female units region-specific, only available in Tribus Sakae and east of that (as this is where Pokrovka's and Pazyryk's excavation would be, wouldn't they?)
Well, there's this, for example:Quote:
Links, please.
http://www.gender.org.uk/chstnuts/enaree.htm
And there's of course Hippocrates' account of Sarmatians, or 'Scythians'.
Perhaps the confusion is here from what the term 'Scythians' means - both in game and in reality... If we make Scythians (or Sarmatians?) a faction spreading from Black Sea to Caspian and beyond, we should include female warriors, I think. If we confine them only to the Black Sea Scythians, more evidence is needed... Maybe make female warriors a merc unit available in Tribus Sakae?
Yes, that's almost what I'm talking about. But not region specific - faction specific (Sarmatians). And I'm still repeating: the historical accuracy of female units is very doubtful.Quote:
Originally Posted by eadingas
We already have Scythian faction in northern Black Sea only. They shouldn't have any female warriors, no matter what regions they may conquer.Quote:
Originally Posted by eadingas
If we will be able to create new Sarmatian faction they (Sarmatians) will have some female warriors, no matter what regions they have.
I'm afraid I'm just unable to fight with this "amazon madness" among our members.
"I'm afraid I'm just unable to fight with this "amazon madness" among our members."
Well, on one hand we have several accounts ranging from Hippocrates to modern archeologians, on the other, we have you saying it's all 'misinterpretation'... But I'm still getting confused by the multiple 'Scythians' appearing in all this discussion. Aren't the 'Sakae' tribes also called 'Scythians'? What about 'Scythian' burial mounds in Siberia and Mongolia?
Ok, I'll try to explain it more understandable. Look, for modern Americans all inhabitants of East Europe are ex-Soviets or even just Soviets still. No matter who they are - Russians, Poles, Czechs, Serbians, etc. They all are Reds. Now imagine - ancient Greeks and Romans are modern Americans and ancient nomads are Eastern Europeans. For ancient Greeks and Romans all nomads were not Scythians, Sarmatians, Meotes, Massagetians, Sakas, Usunes, Tokhares, Dahes, Yuezhes, etc. They all were just "Scythians". This collective name still remains in modern science. In the wide sense it means all nomadic tribes dwelled in Eurasian steppes between modern Hungary on the west and Manchuria on the east in 1 millennium BC - about 3 century AD. In the narrow sense it means just that famous Scythians from northern Black Sea. So don't wonder when you see on map "Scythians" placed somewhere near Chinese borders. Read it as "nomads". ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by eadingas
Actually the Poles and Serbs are usually called Poles and Serbs by the Americans. However, Russians, Georgians, the Czechs, and a few others are lumped into 'Former Soviet Bloc Nations', and referred to as 'Former Soviets' when speaking about them politically, if the subject is on early-mid 90s politics. However, no one uses the phrase 'Reds' much anymore, nor refers to anyone as Soviets except as misspeak. When talking modern politics though, large divisions are taken into account on who the Czechs or Russians or etc. are.
However, your point is correct. Without really knowing much about the people beyond the Scythian/Sarmatians, it was likely assumed anyone in the region was related or similar to them in most respects, regardless of any truth involved. The tribes near the Chinese could have been of a completely different extraction, but without time given to study their differences from Scythians, they would be assumed Scythians because of a few superficial similarities, or assumed similarities.
These guys were always lucky. :clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranika
Umm... not to get too off-topicky, but - why Serbs? ;)
Been pretty busy with work this week. Finally finished off the Southern Warband.
https://usera.imagecave.com/PSYCHO/b..._gaul_INFO.jpg
I think it has to do with the Mogadishu incident back in the 90s. The term "Serbs" was proliferated widely by media. The reason for 'Soviet Bloc' and 'former Soviet' falling out of favor is mainly news reports on the areas of the former USSR, that do not use such phraseology as "former Soviet" or "bloc nation".
And back on topic, the southern warband looks great. I was always a bit upset none of the Gauls had spiked, lyed hair. Just seemed stupid to me. The Southern Warband is a good as I could have hoped for, excellent looking, superior to CA's Gallic units for certain.
please guys , Even If I have been the start of this Scythian fight , could this tiopic be shifted to another topic? thanks ~:) .....would like instead to know your comments on the latest roman units I posted here is a list of the ones I reskinned , this time I have been very precise on following the plates....
early legionaire
early centurion
early standard bearer
later centurion
later standard bearer
veliti
skirmishers of late perood
archers
auxilia archers
auxilia infantry
triarii
hastati
princeps
PSICO V for me the southern band is perfect......
PROMETHEUS, with Romans you go right way. Good work! ~:thumb:
Just few notes:
- Remove breastplates from triarii.
- Remove gap in the bottom of chainmails of triarii and principes. Make it look like the one that standard bearer have.
- Make proper shields for early Roman units (change the shape and remove wings and lightnings).
- Make 4 color variants (for every Roman faction).
Nice looking "Dancing Gaul" icon! :jumping:Quote:
Originally Posted by PSYCHO V
http://img97.exs.cx/img97/1391/jpg.jpg
Here the shields of the early cohort praetoria and the late chort praetoria
no according to some source it was used so I leave itQuote:
- Remove breastplates from triarii.
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Remove gap in the bottom of chainmails of triarii and principes. Make it look like the one that standard bearer have.
what's this gap? any pic?
the early legions I guess u refer but those are late republican legions , while the lorica segmenta legions are the veeery late republic imperial timeQuote:
- Make proper shields for early Roman units (change the shape and remove wings and lightnings).
if u refer to the shields of the triari velites and hastati i saw that in some representations they had those simbols a bit less precise may be but they have , while on other representations they have no simbols or draws and between the two I choose the first....
sure when I have more time....Quote:
- Make 4 color variants (for every Roman faction).
but i will follow the same patterns or I can change the colours ??
anyway
the praetorians in the plates I have have white dress and not red , the early cohort I mean .....
Prometheus. Triarii, Principes, Hastatii should NOT have that artwork on their shields. According to fonti primarie, they did not have it.
Also, Triarii should NOT have breastplates. Only maybe 1% were rich enough to afford breastplates. They should just have mail.
Promethius: your artwork is bad ass, btw.
One detail I forgot to mention in the Triarii. They shouldn't have a breast plate at all. They used mail with mail shoulder straps, not the breast plate above the mail. Another problem: the Centurion has a cuirass (complete breast armour), therefore the shoulder pads should be metal plate, not mail. No mail on the shoulders and arms either.Quote:
Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS
Sorry to be a nag, but this Centurion should not have the metal shoulder plates of the Lorica Segmentata Legionaires. Since he uses mail, he should have mail shoulder pads.Quote:
Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS
Excellent.... :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS