Re: Shogun's response to patch campaign
Some people try to justify Creative Assembly and portray them as being the victims by pointing out how it is Activision's fault that the game is shoddy.
It is not a lie. However, it is a half-truth. It may be Activision's fault that the game is shoddy, but it is not Activision's fault that Creative Assembly has chosen to lie, insult customers for pointing out errors in a civil manner, and forbid all discussion of a particular area of the game.
As far as I know, no discussion of the Amazon campaign has occurred on the official forums. Who would be stupid enough to post that thread? It is exactly like, as some of you have argued, loudly telling people not to shop at a certain store, while in the store. I would be amazed if anyone told me that they know of any discussion of the Amazon campaign at the official site.
No, Creative Assembly's knowledge of the Amazon campaign comes from this board. One of the developers posted in one of the deleted threads here. Therefore, Shogun's hidden meaning must mean that people who promote the Amazon campaign at this site will be banned from the official site.
That kills the argument which states that Creative Assembly are being perfectly fair in their threat to ban people who promote the Amazon campaign.
Quietus, your underhanded and slippery manipulation of this argument has made you stand out from among all others who take the same position as yours. The truth is not in you. You have lost one more man's respect by your word weaving.
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But it would be at the level of a GOOD toaster, not just a basic bargain toaster!
LOL.
Re: Shogun's response to patch campaign
I'd really just like CA to come out of their caves and let us know their thoughts on the matter and actually inform us on the hows and whys of the situation.
Obviously a lot of people are... let's just say 'annoyed' to put it mildly and it is to do with a faulty product. Not one that has plans to be fixed like any other form of entertainment that doesn't perform as advertised - no, one who's creators have declared that they have washed their hands of the respected problems.
Well unless you want to buy the expansion pack.
hey guys, remember when we joked about this a long time ago that they wouldn't fix the problems but would make us buy the XP to fix them?
those buggers jumped the shark on this one, mooning us as they did it
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Originally Posted by Benny Moore
Quietus, your underhanded and slippery manipulation of this argument has made you stand out from among all others who take the same position as yours. The truth is not in you.
I don't know what to say but disagree with this, especially when you didn't even mention the act of blackmail or sabotage as "underhanded". But you call someone crying "blackmail!" and "sabotage!" as underhanded. I'm fairly straightforward with my statements and still abide by them.
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Originally Posted by Benny Moore
You have lost one more man's respect by your word weaving.
No offense taken. In fact, I don't even believe you at all. I think you're just venting and I'm the closest man around.
Your statement is merely dictated by emotion not by reasoning - stemming out of the frustration that the game is not being patched by CA. Am I right? Thus, it's not admissable by my account.
Believe it or not, I lament CA's inaction in this matter. I test a LOT for my Guide and I save every single turn (while simultaneously playing the campaign). And I had the sinking feeling when Tai4ji2x first posted the siege bug thread here (because it instantly explains why the AI wasn't expanding in my game).
So there you go. :charge:
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My take on the semantics:
I think "sabotage" is probably a fair description of the one-star ratings on Amazon, given that they are designed to, well, sabotage the game's average rating there. ~:)
But, so what? The average rating was 5 before the campaign began - the highest possible rating which is clearly absurd. Vanilla RTW deserves a 3 at most, I personally would rate it at a 2. And arguably the "read our lips - no new patches" policy deserves a further downgrade, which would make it a 1. So the 1-star ratings are at least defensible.
As to "blackmail" and "extortion" though, I'm sorry, I don't regard a person exercising his legitimate right to post a review on Amazon as being tantamount to criminal activity.
In any case, I think anyone who reads the latest reviews on Amazon will get a very clear picture of the debate, since the issues have been thrashed out there in the various pro- and con- reviews as well. Readers will quickly realize that (a) there's a deliberate campaign in progress to bring the average rating down, and that (b) some gamers are very dissatisfied not only with the state of the game but also the lack of support from CA.
No-one is being misled. No-one is being tricked. There's just a very open public debate going on, and I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Oh and BTW, the reviews are probably helping to raise the org's profile since several reviewers have mentioned it by name. So people can come here, read the threads and be as well informed as anyone about the issues before making their choice about whether to go ahead and buy. And that can only be a positive IMO.
Re: Shogun's response to patch campaign
In order to make a proper decision, the customer must be provided with a proper information. Advertising is not such a proper information, it is a part of information at the best. Reviews in computer game magazines have been, possibly, a part of the advertising campaign for the product. The customer, seeking information, could turn to the internet fora like this one but it seldom happens. Moreover, the official forum displays only the part of the information of the product (its positive side) while hiding the other part (deleting the posts on bugs), thus it can be considered a part of the advertisement campaign.
Disillusioned users of the product, posting their angry reviews on Amazon and other sites dedicated to selling, do a good thing, since they provide a potential consumer with a valuable information he would not obtain otherwise.
Re: Shogun's response to patch campaign
CA should print the following onto it's packaging:
CONSUMER ADVISORY: THIS PRODUCT WILL BE SUPPORTED BY A MAXIMUM OF TWO PATCHES.
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Originally Posted by HarunTaiwan
CA should print the following onto it's packaging:
CONSUMER ADVISORY: THIS PRODUCT WILL BE SUPPORTED BY A MAXIMUM OF TWO PATCHES.
/support
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Originally Posted by HarunTaiwan
CA should print the following onto it's packaging:
CONSUMER ADVISORY: THIS PRODUCT WILL BE SUPPORTED BY A MAXIMUM OF TWO PATCHES.
Well, I think it would be great if there was a LAW (at least in US, all roads lead to US), which would order all gaming companies to have such declaration on thier boxes.
It would detail how long is guaranteed patch support (how many months).
And what is guaranteed number of patches.
That would be a campaign I would support.
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Originally Posted by player1
Well, I think it would be great if there was a LAW (at least in US, all roads lead to US), which would order all gaming companies to have such declaration on thier boxes.
It would detail how long is guaranteed patch support (how many months).
And what is guaranteed number of patches.
That would be a campaign I would support.
this is more like something to be thought of all across the internet, something which would be MUCH more supported by the gaming magazines - which would most likely support a campaign as far sweeping as this.
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Its funny but I mentioned that the Amazon rating had fallen to 3.5 in another thread (as an interesting aside) and my comment was expunged by the mods, yet here y'all are discussing it.... hmmm.
Congratulations to whomever thought of expressing our views at Amazon. Brilliant!
"Sabotage", what drivel! CA have sabotaged this game with their behaviour much more effectively than a few patrons who gave the game 1 star. As far as I'm concerned, even if the 'campaign' does negatively impact the development of the TW series or even if CA calls it quits it may remind other developers and more importantly we (the consumers) of where the power truly lies. Its time that all game developers stop foisting buggy software on the public. What do we need to do, agitate in congress for a software lemon law?
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Originally Posted by Red Harvest
The latter.
Most people rate something early on when it is new. So waiting until after the final patch is a rather interesting approach. There is nothing to prevent others from rating it higher. The difference is mainly that people were reminded that they could send a clear message with their ratings and reviews (since the .com had been shut down to them.) And they did so.
Good point Red Harvest.
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Originally Posted by Quietus
The "campaigners'" explicit, unfair goals/motives is to give it a pre-determined, automatic, de facto 1-star rating. The review part was an afterthought.
The reviews are anything but an afterthought. You obviously haven't read the reviews.
Re: Shogun's response to patch campaign
.org's views on the discussion of this campaign have been made clear. Thread closed.