Not a fan of Star Wars myself.
Not sure what would pique my interest... maybe... Easy Rider? Apocalypse Now?
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Not a fan of Star Wars myself.
Not sure what would pique my interest... maybe... Easy Rider? Apocalypse Now?
I like that. Let's cut around him and clean it up. I am going to steal it and add it to my collection (giving you credit of course~;) . Nice pick!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
Where did you find the guy at? (the star wars photo)
A little something of my own:
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Divinius Hopper.
"The man, he's... enlarged my mind... y'know, he's a great man, I'm a small man- I should have been a pair of ragged claws, scuttling across floors of, ah- silent seas-"
Edited: cleaner picture.
I just Google image searched "Admiral Ackbar," I think.Quote:
I like that. Let's cut around him and clean it up. I am going to steal it and add it to my collection (giving you credit of course . Nice pick!
Where did you find the guy at? (the star wars photo)
And you have my permission to steal it (since I'm getting credit) and improve upon it's 20-minuteness.
hahahahaha LOLOLOL!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by meatwad
SWEET! I love that flick!
I once watched a snail crawl on the edge of a razor blade....
I just love we hijacked this thread and turned into something truly productive!
After all, everyone is done making nice. Darth Soly used a Jedi Mind trick.
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Cue Soly Vader midi death march.Quote:
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someone is having to much fun~D
I'm actually rather concerned about Divinius. On the other hand, I am rather happy that he has had a sort of Henry Milleresque release, though I can't really figure out how or why.
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Included Admiral Corleone Akhbar. COURTESY OF ATPG of course.
Ive never laughed so hard hwere. There were tears coming from my eyes. ~D :help:Quote:
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Solypsist must be destroyed.
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You will apologize in the backroom and grovel upon thy knees in front of Emperor TosaInu.
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Yesssss. My Young Apprenticccccce. You will join us. Oh, and I am afraid that your friends will die.
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I'll never join you! Never! Solypsist, there is good in you, I feel it!
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Join me, and together, we will rule the backroom! Now grovel!
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YES MASTER!!!
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YES MASTER!!!
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Who's your daddy?
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FATHER!!!!!
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Retards!
Excellent. Everything's going exactly according to the plan.Quote:
In fact, lets get Panzer, JAG, Gawain, Dave, Pindar, Don, Prol, you, Adrian, RedHarvest, Martyr, and Redleg while we're at it!
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Crazed Rabbit
I really went a little overboard on this thread didn't I?~D
Oh well. Now I have a cool new sig for my efforts.
Not really, only your sig is ~14.2x over the 10kb limit. ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
Fair enough, I think it would be an improvement if people weren't given warnings for reporting posts or criticising mods.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
Can somone answer if Prole will have her ban removed?
I just read this entire thread.
I don't pay much attention to soly's modding hence I had no opinion at all before reading this thread. Unless I have very oddly misunderstood something:
soly indirectly called all the Org patrons who argue in the Backroom retarded.
Proletariat then pointed out how un-classy it is for a mod to do that.
soly then issued an illegitmate warning against Proletariat for pointing out his own misconduct in the same thread where he committed it.
Clearly, that is a blatant abuse of power on the part of soly. And not only that, but also a slur by soly against the mentally challenged community.
The responses from the Mods/members in this thread so far seems to be:
1. "Calling people retarded is funny, and "the good old boys" who were around here over 5 years ago used to do it all the time. Therefore, it's perfectly fine for soly to do it today." --- I am sure that the best mods here would not be able agree with that response, and will be most fascinated to see their responses to it posted here. I wonder why they have not yet posted here.
2. "This is a witchhunt." ---- Well no, it's not. The word "witchhunt" implies that someone is being negatively targetted for an illegitimate reason. Which is very clearly not the case here. The legitimacy for soly being targetted is abundantly clear in black and white for all to see. It cannot be reasonably disputed. Hence to call this a "witchhunt" is to unfairly slander the legitimate criticism which soly is receiving for this.
It seems to me that sometimes the bosses around here do not always exercise the best possible choice in making a Mod. Maybe I just have been so spoiled by the immaculate modding of certain Mods on this site that when a "normal" Mod who is prone to bias, error, and abuse of power gets appointed, then it no longer seems tolerable after having become accustomed to the ultimate Mods.
My suggestion on how to improve the Org: only give "new" Mod jobs to the exact same "old" Mods who everyone already likes and who have modded those areas before.
Well you are quite wrong here, Navaros - this has been called a "witchhunt" because Soly has indeed been - as you correctly put it - "negatively targetted for an illegitimate reason" or to be precise he has been accused of (ab)using his moderator position to push his partial politics and/or to close threads he politically disagrees with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
These accusations came up before anybody had actually been warned and when only one thread had been closed (and according to some people the topic of the thread would actually have been in line with Soly's alleged political agenda ... go figure).
It seems your definition for "witchhunt" has been met precisely.
Well, if he did he's got a point....oops.Quote:
soly indirectly called all the Org patrons who argue in the Backroom retarded
This has all got rather out of proportion. For what its worth I too didn't pick up from Soly's description of the clip he linked that it wasn't genuine, ("not equitable" meaning "not fair" rather than "not equivalent (to journalism) but then as I didn't click the link I probably denied myself a pretty big clue.
That then lead to the joke that meant, in effect, anyone who didn't understand the clip wasn't real was retarded. A slightly aggressive response but not out of the ordinary in the Backroom. Inconsistent with the new regime of courtesy which we are promised, but let it ride.
I hadn't heard the special olympics comment before, personally I thought it was quite funny, and obviously also potentially offensive. It had the old internet/e mail problem of anonymity/lack of context. Maybe a member has a younger brother with severe learning difficulties whose one pleasure in life is swimming, or whatever? That member would probably be quite upset by a joke whose punchline is "yeah, but he's still a retard".
Compare, for instance, the Ricky Gervaise joke about how if you are an athlete you should always try to compete in the special olympics because, wherever you finish, "everyone's a winner". That I think is gently affectionate of disabled sport whereas the first joke is dismissive.
Anyway, where things clearly went wrong was a mod modding criticism of his onw behaviour. All we need is a rule that henceforth such modding must be done by a different mod and we can all go forward rejoicing and no more need be said.
What's especially unfortunate is that Prole rarely if ever oversteps the bounds of courtesy, so if brickbats are going to start flying they do really need to be better aimed.
DA, that is a brilliant sig you have there! Can I be the Emperor? :evilgrin: ~:cheers:
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In response to the original issue, while the message of closure was clumsy, it was innocuous enough in terms of internet usage and I think it's a non-event.
In response to solypsist's comment about the special olympics, in my view it was well out of line. I have a disability. In the hierarchy of disabilities it's not that bad, but it still is one. I have very underdeveloped coordination (both micro and macro) - tests put me somewhere at a level between the average seven and nine year old. Much better than a mental dissability, but it is frustrating, and it impacts my day to day life. Basically anything that requires complex movements I have extreme difficulty with - I have to give myself 5-10 minutes to tie my shoe laces, my handwriting is near illegible etc. It's enough that I can basically exclude half the average jobs around, anything which can't be done pretty much exclusively at a computer or in conversation is an issue for me (ie. I will never be doing a practical job).
I've heard the special olympics joke often enough, in fact I've been the target of it enough times as well. It's not nice, in fact it can be pretty hurtful at times. I suppose everyone deals with it differently, but my response is to build up a wall to people who have those views - certainly if it is the modus operandi of the staff of www.totalwar.org, then I won't be coming back. If people think the comment is not that much, then consider this one (hypothetical situation) "what's better than winning a medal in the black olympics? being white". Would that be offensive? If you say yes, but don't think the dissability comment is offensive what is the difference? Is it ok to pick on those with dissabilities because they are a smaller number, and for the most can't fight back whatsoever?
As to the comment that it used to be like that, well places move on. To me it seems that trying to bring in an "old school" moderator, in an attempt to bring back the old feel seems the height of top down arrogance. If people want it to go back to the old days when moderators had retard jokes in their signatures then show me where the support for it is. If the staff wants it to move back to that, then that's it's choice - but the consequences will stand - you've allready driven off at least one poster from the backroom, and until I see some kind of official policy direction from either barocca or Tosa, I'm feeling very uncomfortable going in their myself and judging from other reactions at least a few others are feeling very edgy.
The final issue being a moderator issuing a warning for someone reporting the moderators post. In my view this is completely out of line - from where I stand my view of the moderators role is to act as an impartial judge, someone who can make a decision without being tendentious. This does not require them to completely step back from engaging in debate, it is both not necessary, and to require one to do so would be utter folly. However, I struggle to believe that any moderator can impartially judge if their own post is out of line. Unless the decision was made by some consensus of staff and solypsist was nominated to be the messenger (which is hardly a sound decision to make on the part of the staff to use solyspist as the messenger due to his own involvement), then it does seem to me that solyspist has overstepped his role of moderator.
As far as I can tell the post alert system is to be used to inform a moderator that their is a potential for difficulty with a post. Proletariat, although probably making this alert somewhat dry and acidic (which seems to be something of her style), to me appears only to be using this function in the way it is meant to be used. I personally would have reported the post if I had seen it before I knew it was allready reported, because as previously detailed I think it is well out of line - however solypsists behaviour seems to indicate that he has taken a view that he can do no wrong, and criticism of him is not to be allowed. To me this is ridiculous, and goes completely against the ideal of a somewhat open discussion forum.
Having made my view, here are some questions.
- Are 'retard' jokes acceptable on this forum?
- What is the broad general direction you want to see the forums, in particular the backroom, heading in the future?
- Are we allowed to report the posts of a moderator?
1. dgb apologies for any offence, btw do you make any sheep jokes about kiwis?
2. good in depth discussion that disects the issue at hand with a good dollop of humour.
3. yes, but I will smite thee back with a village people ensemble. ~D
[QUOTE=King Henry V]DA, that is a brilliant sig you have there! Can I be the Emperor? :evilgrin: ~:cheers:
Sure. You are certainly ugly enough. The problem is that you aren't mean enough looking.
Besides, don't you think this should be reserved for Emperor TosaInu?
Either way, here is a cookie for playing nice:
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It's still a work in progress, but what do you guys think of this one?
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Luke: What the hell is this creepy thing on my back?
YodaInu!
Papewaio
1. So is that it's not allowed - and if so what happens with solyspists comments? I'm not trying to be perverse and force the issue here, but are you speakign from your own point of view, or as a spokesman for the staff?
No apology necessary, I never took your comments personally, rather as explanatory comments on the situation.
As for New Zealanders, it depends on context, but in a broad way no I don't. I might make the joke if I am with people I know (explicitly) will not take offense.
2. Sounds good - I just wasn't sure because of the comments about old school styles etc.
3. In case of Village People bombardment, retaliation will occur.
Thanks for the answers.
Thanks DA!
I can just see what will happen next....
TosaInu will declare that all supporters of Prole be declared "Enemies of the Empire" and they will be banned by surprise. TosaInu, changing his name to the Emperor, will create a new corps: the .Orgtroopers, who will hunt down any whiff of rebellion. All clubs, no matter what political affiliation (except of course the We love the Emperor Club) will be closed, as will the watchtower. Solyspist will be made (after being horrifically injured in a bansitck duel with Proletariat) Commander-in-Chief of all the .Orgtroopers. Anyone even implying rebellion against the Emperor will be summarily tried and banned. Any jokes in the Frontroom about His Imperial Majesty will be dealed with accordingly.
Doesn't this sound a bit familiar?~D
You got it all wrong. He's "YodaInu". See above post for picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Henry V
Then who's the Emperor? Me!?
If I'd thought my position was going to be deemed illegitimate, I wouldn't have taken the time to express my opinion. I think my criticism of solypsist's actions for indirectly insulting patrons of the org was legitimate--his "ladies," comment in this thread, and the "special olympics" comment in the other thread. When I see a staff member behaving like this, and see a respected patron receive a Warning for calling him on it (granted, delivered in a similar wry, tongue-in-cheek manner), and then hear staff prattling on about enforcing etiquette more stringently, I can't help but roll my eyes and mutter a word that starts with "H" under my breath ... .Quote:
Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
Your post suggests that you have adopted a "one of the boys" mentality Ser Clegane, which is disappointing. In the past you have shown an advanced ability to see both sides of an issue, and speak to it with relative impartiality, focusing on resolution, and more often than not, succeeding. In this thread, this doesn't seem to be the case.
As for those who think this thread should be closed, I strongly disagree. We, the patrons, are the hearts and minds of this board (something staff would do well not to dismiss lightly when thinking about and acting on improving the board). What we think does and should matter. I have observed valued patrons quietly disappear in the past after threads like these concluded without a mutual sense of satisfaction, or at least, acceptance. Instead of closing the thread, perhaps the jokers could be redirected to another place to bandstand; I think the wacky humor distracts from the seriousness of what many of us are discussing. To those who pop in with seemingly indifferent (and from my point of view, pretty useless) comments--nothing is preventing you from reading elsewhere if our discussion is boring you. For some, this is a relatively serious matter.
Is it only me who has noticed a distinct difference in the depth of character of the average patron, the drop in the number of "interesting" patrons with "interesting" points of view, "interestingly" expressed? Certainly I am not the only one who has noticed the increase in petty squabblingly, and nonsensical horseplay that has become more prominent here over the last couple of years. Staff do well to ask how the org can be "improved." Perhaps better words would be "invigorated," or "revitalized." How indeed? Such brainstorming requires time and energy, as does putting ideas into words here on the board. When I consider contributing, the thought of being ignored, or judged "illegitimate," comes to mind, and the inspiration to share thoughts fades. Respect usually begets respect, and vice versa.
Ah, the Don Corleone of old has returned ~:). As it is my tendency to take comments at face value, I will now again have to be more careful in my reading. I was raising one eyebrow and then the other, until I remembered this aspect of his character. Thanks for keeping me on my toes.
Tokagure, how much more clear do they need to be? The moderators are right... or else. I'm starting to think Divinus is more right than he knows, having an honest discussion around these parts is quite frankly, a ridiculous venture. Soly is right. Tosa is right. Anything else is asking for a warning.
Sorry if you felt that I was considering your post to be "illegitimate", Toga but I think your are taking my post a bit unfairly out of context here.Quote:
Originally Posted by TogakureOjonin
ca. 50 people have been posting in this thread.
If I refer to "witchhunt" does that mean that I accuse all who have been posting here of having participated in it? No - obviously not.
I used the term "witchhunt" in my post on the second page on this thread (post #56 to be precise). To my knowledge you had not even posted in this thread until that point (and in a later post, #91, I clearly quoted the statement I was referring to as "witchhunt").
With regard to these statements I will not change my mind - they were meant to discredit a patron/moderator without anything to back it up.
This has been a long thread, so it would be good if replies would be interpreted in the context they were made in instead of creatings accusations and perceived insults were non have been made.
Thanks :bow:
Ser Clegane
Sorry Ser Clegane but I think TogakureOjonin has hit the nail on the head. If you think this is a witchhunt I dont know what to say to you. Again mods shouldnt handle posts that are directed at them IMO. In such cases maybe it would be better for Tosa to settle the issue or at least some other mod than the one who takes offense.
Please read the posts and quotes I mentioned in my post above - then please check at what point the discussion about the warning started.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Í think I pointed out clearly enough what I menat by witchhunt - putting my posts into a new context is slightly unfair, don't you think?
I guess this thread shows that the article about computers I posted in the Backroom was right: frequent computer use makes people socially insensitive and autistic.
Isn't it obvious that Ser Clegane and the other mods have to stick together, lest this board goes down in an atmosphere of mutual recrimination and blame games among moderators?
Isn't it obvious that Solypsist will, from now on, think twice before posting anything remotely inconsiderate or partial in the Backroom?
Do we need to press the same points over and over and over again?
Isn't it time to stop whining and get on?
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Isn't it obvious that Ser Clegane and the other mods have to stick together
Is it wrong to admit a mistake? Soly in general has always been a fair until this recent rucuss. Hes only human .A simple sorry from all or removing Prols warning would go a long way in calming things down.
Again if a mod should not give warings in a thread he is personally debating in on things he posted that are answered by another patron. Let another mod do it.
Right. And he has always been fun, too. I'm not sure he is human though -- I would go stark raving mad if I had to moderate the Backroom and I am surprised he hasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Nevermind.
I personally think a lot of hyperbole has been taken in regrads to Solypsist's use of the term Banstick it was a heavy handed joke at its worse - and something I completely disregarded because it was not directed at anyone spefic nor at the community. Let Solypsist have his fun in how he moderates the backroom. As long as its not a crude joke or directed toward the community's personalities - absolutely no harm is done.
Impartiallity is a hard thing to maintain - especially given the nature of the backroom and the discussions that often happen in it. However when an event happens that shows that the moderator is not acting fairly - it should not be dismissed nor called a "witchhunt" in an attempt to defend the moderator. Now Ser Clegane calling the initially post and intent of this thread a "witchhunt" is not really that far off the mark - however the issue that has been brought forward into the discussion since its inception is not a matter of a "witchhunt" but what is the official policy of the .ORG as it relates to moderators and their rulings in threads that they are involved in the discussion in more then a polite conservation manner. Ie the moderator is actually in the middle of the discussion - with all the passion and emotion that the concept brings to the table.
What must be address by the moderators and Tosa is the method in which a moderator gives a warning to a patron for a discussion in which the moderator made the first breach of the forum rules. I have yet to see any moderator or for that matter Tosa address that issue to the community as a whole.
I am sure that the discussion is happening within the moderator channells and even with Tosa included - but given the nature of Solypsist actions regarding Prol's and her public showing of the warning - an explanation of policy in the manner is somewhat needed to the community as a whole.
out of context statement
Enough. This thread is getting too serious.
Solypyst's banstick:
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Oh so because I said something indifferent, that is not picking sides, my comment was useless?Quote:
Originally Posted by TogakureOjonin
I'm sorry I have to disagree. I think that this is the perfect place to be indifferent, that way you don't have anyone be angry. Most Philosophers have always sided on the side of calmness and indifference, except for the romantics(and Nietzsche) who believe that the passions should run high. One should take into acount the dangers of such a way of thinking. There are pros and cons in both, and I choose to select what mode I am in accordingly.
Maybe this discussion is simply beneath us indifferents, which is why we choose to not pick sides. Soly is the mod, and if he makes a decision it's his to make. I have been given god knows how many warnings, but I think I probably deserved the majority of them.
Plus saying that you are going to use the banstick(a hillarious expression) is not an indication that he would do so without a real reason.
I have grown tired of the right wing cheerleading in the backroom anyways. I respect that soly has not addressed any of you. I think he's above this kind of 'petty squabbling' as you put it.
indifference is as valid a point of view as any other. it's good for the "indifferents" to make their position known in the watchtower simply because it's important for the mods to be aware of the possibility that not everybody views this latest dust-up as the sign of a coming apocalypse.
i don't think only the whine/counter-whine crowds should hold so much sway, especially when it's only a few people to begin with.
that said, the hyperbolic sarcasm and florid despair being displayed here is good fun, so keep it up guys. ~:)
I HATE it when you do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Not that I believe in fairness or anything, but has Prole's warning been removed, or has Soly been warned in turn? This has caused plenty of controversy, and considering how the properly-lodged complaints have been effective thus far, can no one see through the side-picking and nonsense posts to get down to the issue at hand?
It's not like I to recapitulate the events that have supposedly taken place and ended in Prole's warning. Could someone post a timeline devoid of bias and "rabble-rousing"?
Defenders of the throne:
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For Div. ~:cheers:
Somehow I doubt moderators can be warned, as such. It would be pretty silly for them to be able to edit other people's posts but not their own. At TWC, in the rare event we consider disciplinary action necessary, moderators are issued verbal reprimands (followed by removal from staff for repeat offenses).
Speaking of which, this whole thing really reminds me of this so far. A general outcry among the membership, followed by general defense of the accused by the staff. That ended in the staff demoting Crandar in disgrace―who knows what will happen here? (And Crandar incidentally was allowed back later when one of the staff who opposed his removal became admin, and then he proceeded to pose as the admin who brought him back and ban his enemies and vandalize their accounts when he was only supposed to be helping out with security issues. Fun stuff, TWC is good for massive dramas.)
Prole's warning must have been removed; she is able to edit her posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeonGod
Dosent it take a few points to loose your editing ability. I doubt she recieved very many for that post.Quote:
Prole's warning must have been removed; she is able to edit her posts.
Yea! You havent left completely. Please dont! :embarassed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Nevermind.
We lived with solypsis's _________, and his toltal lack of any __________, for a long time before you joined. Its hard to ignore such a _________, but you get used to it.
I for one really enjoy reading what you have to say, and I wager a lot more people do to. Dont let his _________ drive you away.. that way he gets what he wants. :shame:
Fill in the blanks however you see fit.
That this did not occur to me shames me. You get two points and a golden star.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofball
Don't feel too much shame; I think I'm probably wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeonGod
Apparently at the first "warning level" you can still edit your posts.
"Don't take the wrong side of an argument just because your opponent has taken the right side." (Baltasar Gracian quotes 1601-1658) .
What I am trying to say ? :embarassed:
If my warning was lifted, I'dve said so in this thread so there wouldn't be anymore speculation due to me. You need two warnings to lose your edit button.
Yep. Thanks Redleg. Saved me some typing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
Byzantine Prince: [Raises eyebrow]Hmm ... something fishy here. It seems like you've taken a position in relation to me that is akin somewhat to that which I had taken towards Ser Clegane in my last post. That you would take what I said personally when I wasn't specific seems out of character for you. Are you pointing this out to me in an indirect and creative way, or are you entertaining yourself by putting something potentially contentious out there to see how I react?
If you were serious: I wasn't referring to you personally when I wrote my comments about indifference, and I recognize the validity of your position and Big John's. When leading Issue/Resolution sessions at work, Im not very tolerant of expressed indifference as it tends to sidetrack discussions and lengthen the resolution process. Hence, my "if you don't care, just observe and don't make waves" stance. Oftentimes some thought the issues weren't worth taking the time to deal with--but some staff did, so the issues were addressed. This, however, is not a professional environment ... and I should leave it at that, given what I just wrote and deleted, heh.
"When an argument flares up, the wise man quenches it with silence" (Anonymous)
Hhhhmmmmm...:smart:
I felt you were thinking of a list of people that did either make jokes or simply were indifferent and made somewhat unpolarized posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by TogakureOjonin
I found out the exact opposite is true. When passions run high, people can rarely concentrate enough to resolve anything. I think it only leads to escalation and leads down the path of pure violence.Quote:
Originally Posted by TogakureOjonin
Yes this is not a professional environment. That is why becoming too serious is not exactly a realistic way to think about this situation.Quote:
This, however, is not a professional environment ... and I should leave it at that, given what I just wrote and deleted, heh
Even if this was completely serious, like for example if Soly was the group manager in a company and you decide to call him out, it wouldn't be good to deal with him the way Prole did. The best way would have been to contact Tosa and tell him about it. It is not good to let your passions get the better of you in a tense situation.
"When you resort to attacking the messenger and not the message, you have lost the debate." (Addison Whithecomb)
It will work in the end...I am sure...:furious:
Here you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJager
Anyway, I said:
Now it's getting waaaay too much ado. I need some popcorn. :/Quote:
Originally Posted by The true King of Kings, me
Soly's line about the "ladies" came from a line in Hamlet, hence keeping with my Shakespearean-themed post, which he quoted. Not against Proletariat.
Clear?
It seems you think I was referring to emotional indifference; I meant indifference to the issue. I agree that passions should be kept in check.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
Jump the chain of command? Hmm, try that a few times when you get a full-time job in a professional environment and tell me how it goes. Perhaps here that would have been better, because this involved a complaint against a moderator. It has been interesting to see that some share her concerns, most could care less one way or another, and a few think she's overreacting. I don't think staff will use any of this though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
Care to stake a fortune on that?Quote:
I don't think staff will use any of this though.
Is that an indication that something, discussion, at least, is being done about this issue, and that everything is not being ignored wholesale?Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
I would take the affirmative bet - since the last time such an issue came up - several changes were made in how the moderators functioned in their prespective areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
I could not find the 2nd thread on the subject which lead to some of that discussion - but I do know from discussions both in that thread and in PM's that changes were indeed done based upon the spefic instance that was brought up.
Of course we are talking about how we do things.
You have to note that we try and have a fair amount of autonomy.
That we will discuss things.
That we will back each other up.
That we will listen.
And that things do change.
We have reintroduced the Junior member system which takes a lot of work so that we can try and keep things civil.
The Tavern although not to do with TotalWar... except in posting styles ~:eek: ... is one of our most popular forums.
However it has been discussed as a possible candidate for removal rather then drag down the rest of the forum. This was decided against, instead a going back to firmer rulings. Also we will try and not put any Assistant Mods in the Backroom as they get unfairly targeted and looked down upon.
Each moderating team has their own style. It is as unique as each of the diverse patrons we have here.
BTW I would prefer if we aim at what we can do in the future for all in the Org, to address the issue and not attack the person.
On a more general overview of how we go forward with the Org I started this thread to talk about tools... so far all I have got is confusion... Six thinking hats
You're dodging my question, Pape. Will Prole's warning be lifted, or is it even under discussion?
YESSSSS!!!!!!!~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
Passions can also mean: intense enthusiasm for something: a keen interest in a particular subject or activityQuote:
Originally Posted by TogakureOjonin
I will, especially since it's recommended, as far as I know at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by TogakureOjonin
PS: I do care, moderately. I don't want Proleteriat to leave, I like her, but what I think should hapen has little to do with what will hapen unles the source of all power(TosaInu), thinks it's a good idea as well.
That's just silly.~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
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Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
PSS: 33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 ~:)
I believe warnings are automatically lifted after 31 days. Warnings are just that - warnings. They are not bans and are not permanent.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeonGod
The original warning by Soly was subsequently discusssed by mods. However, as you may know we each have our own forum to moderate and decisions on warnings are taken by the relevant mods for that forum.
The ultimate authority in such matters is the admin, TosaInu, and he lifted Soly's warning, but replaced it with his own as well as warning some other posters in the offending thread. I suspect TosaInu won't be drawn into public debates over these warnings, but affected parties are of course free to PM him and talk things over privately.
Orgwar guys, YOU FORGOT ME!
I figure, an Admiral Piett or General Veers would be a good choice?
This is like your 40th avatar. I only want to use ones where people have the same recognizable avatar. Like devastation dave, proletariat, and gawain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia
I've rotated between about 4, chose this so it'd be easier for you to be honest ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
Id' love to be wrong on this one ~;).Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
Why not me? I've always had the same avatar... but nobody loves me... *sob*Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
Wait- I hate Star Wars!
Beyond the point, but good to know. I thought my warning lasted longer than that, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon Appleton
Another dodge, but thank you for that tidbit all the same. Is this true, Prole?Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon Appleton
And have him ignore what you have to stay and restate the reason for the ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon Appleton
In the end folks, learn to kiss butt around here. What's more, if it takes two warnings to lose your edit priveleges, something is hosed in your system because Tosa supposedly only gave me one for disagreeing with Soly's 'Stupid Americans' thread, but I've lost edit priveleges. Guess I received two. Didn't receive notice for the 2nd one, but frankly, at this point, I could give a rat's _____. Once i get a site up and running, I'm out of here. For those that are counting, that will most likely be Saturday evening.
I think patrons can't edit in the watchtower... or there is some weird editing rule here...
It certainly seems that Members can't edit in Backroom Watchtower, at the moment anyway. Probably just an oversight rather than a policy change though: see here.
Although, reading further on, perhaps it is a policy change? Hmm...
I wonder if the reason this time was for reporting a post or saying "classy"? Either way, it's pretty baseless, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon Appleton
:stop: :help: ~:grouphug:
Okay lets focus have a time out and help each other. Be nice.
Stare at the babe thread or something else.
Awww. I'm hurt DA. You didn't even remember me, and I've had this avatar for nigh on a year. :sad:Quote:
This is like your 40th avatar. I only want to use ones where people have the same recognizable avatar. Like devastation dave, proletariat, and gawain.
And its not like I haven't been involved in the discussion.~;)
Crazed Rabbit
My thoughts exactly, except that merely calling it baseless is being far too kind to such a corrupt action.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
Surely Tosa is above that kind of thing: warning a poster simply for pointing out what was said in the inapporpriate post of a Mod.
In fact to do such a thing seems so out of character for Tosa, that I find it hard to believe that is actually what happened. ~:eek: