I know they're only Iraqis... but 5 to 1 odds?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia
Scots... mental.
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I know they're only Iraqis... but 5 to 1 odds?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser of Arabia
Scots... mental.
Whilst the USA has the advantage of technology and other armed forces have numerical superiority I repeat that the UK armed forces are the best in the World.
SAS, Paras, Guards Regiments, SBS, Gurkas, Royal Marines....reads like a list of hard guys to beat in any situation to me.
I liked the story about the Brits in Iraq teaching the US forces how to search a house.
Brit training Sergeant:Ok Hank show me what you do...
Hank the Yank:Well we approach freakin' the door, Blow the damned door off it's hinges, then we run in firing from the hip. That'll show 'em....
Brit: I see, has anyone ever thought about trying the door handle to see if it's open?
Yank: door handle?!?!? open!?!?...err.....???
hilarious ~:joker:
I know they're only Iraqis... but 5 to 1 odds?
well things have changed the current figure the British are putting out is 4 to 1 , but of course the reduction can be out down to the fact that the insurgents are amatuers rather than profesionals so uhhhh.. well at least the British give figures unlike uhhhhh...well..... certain others.
Side note , lesson from the Falklands which was passed on from Aden , Borneo , Malaysia , Korea , Italy , France , Germany .... a bayonet charge against a machine gun can lead to uneccesary casualties~;) But hey they give your widow a medal and put your name in the papers .
Take note King Malcolm in your quest to get your name in the history books ~:cheers:
You Brits do realize that most doors are booby trapped and that you enter a house by blowing holes in the walls right?Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
You Brits do realize that most doors are booby trapped and that you enter a house by blowing holes in the walls right?
Ah ....Paranoia at play , them damn Brits have been fighting terrorists/insurgents for centuries , I wonder how many booby trapped doors they have come up against .
Would it be most doors ?~D ~D ~D
Would it even be most suspect doors ?
If their experience has taught them anything it is that the door isn't the problem , it is probably the hedge at the back of the house that is booby trapped, or more commonly the hedge 2 miles down the road or the road itself .
Would you like to teach your grandmother how to suck eggs DA ?~:rolleyes:
tribesman:
you mean that the Irish don't instinctively attach bombs to their front doors?
Damn, there goes a great Irish joke I was planning.
you mean that the Irish don't instinctively attach bombs to their front doors?
Taffy , do the Welsh instinctively attatch fire bombs to English holiday homes front doors ?or do they throw them through the window~;)
Come home to a real fire , buy a holiday home in Wales~D ~D ~D
Damn , I am showing my age now , thats from back when they used to have such old fashioned things in Wales like coalmines and steelworks ~;)
nope, that would be the agents provocateur.
We do attach firebombs to our sheep though, keeps the Scots off them.
Edit: who needs coal mines and steel works when you can claim welfare?
So you can keep them for youeselves eh Taff?????Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy_is_a_Taff
Tribesman
You're a very bitter person.
Damn right!!!
Flossy's mine you lecherous Jock you.
You're a very bitter person.
Only when in England or Wales , unless its the West country when I am a Scrumpy person , in Scotland I tend towards the Heavy which is a bitter or the heather ale which certainly isn't , but yes Bitter is the way to go though some milds or lights are nice but the browns tend to give a bad head , I do like the variety you have over there .
Back home it strictly Porter though ~:cheers:
oh since you obviously missed the point it is from an old comedy show featuring Griff Rhys-Jones . so definately anti Welsh:shrug:
Though the coalmines stuff is definately bitterly anti Thatcher/McGregor and you will find that bitterness spread very widely throughout your country for some strange reason~:cool:
Flossy's mine you lecherous Jock you.
I love my lovely Flossy ,
She has such a fluffy fleece ,
In the kitchen keep a woman ,
In the bedroom keep a sheep .
No kidding. And all americans of now are not just transplanted Europeans of olde. Far from it. Also the Indians werent the first one here,. Europeans were. In fact the French. Or so I hear.Quote:
Bmolsson was referring to the American Indians... after all the Americans of now are just transplanted Europeans of oldeBmolsson was referring to the American Indians... after all the Americans of now are just transplanted Europeans of olde
Tribesman, sometimes you're a man after my own heart(the flossy ditty).
Although you'd probably need to be fluffier...
Edit: and say "bah bah bah" or "meh meh meh" (I'm not prejudiced when it comes to sheep)
Well I did try and fit in last month when I was over in Wales , I had my sheepskin and my wellies (funny aside , In one pub someone mentioned someone from another pub "you know the one who wears wellies" "what do you mean , they all wear wellies in the Dorralt") But I was fitting in quite nicely until one morning I had coco-pops for beakfast , they tried to burn me as a witch , he has turned the milk brown you see , thats witch craft is it , you are in league with beelzebub is it .
must be quite an excursion with the coco pops and everything.
I know you can't get them in Ireland because they upset the fairies.
And I know nobody in Ireland would dare upset the fairies.
You crazy papists you. :)
You crazy papists you.
Shhhh don't upset the Pope , he used to be a Nazi , but its OK now he wears Prada shoes ~;)
LOL funny guys ...but talk about a thread hi-jack!!!!!!
Oh and the heavy in Scotland is atrocious, personally I only drink the whisky up in the hinterlands ~D
And leave that welsh tart alone ....bloody romans..~:cheers:
and then are run over by their neighbors who have been building their army for years...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Tachikaze
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VV,
do not know where you live. But Germany is traditionally a very dangerous place, right in the middle of Europe. Nevertheless I do not have to fear any of our neighbors. Even if we would have no army at all, I doubt that the Austrians or Dutch would invade us. (Well, of course the Dutch do invade us every year, but we do the same to them, and to the Austrians, Italians, Spanish ...~;) ).
I think good diplomacy and being good neighbor is more important than strong military. In fact Germany had the biggest wars when it had the strongets armies.
So small army and a moderate 'my country first' policy, some common sense and humanity - that is all it takes.
“You never succeeded in invading the US. We sent your Mercenaries packing along with the british and you never took any land from us.” I am a little bit late in the debate, but correct me if I am wrong: Wasn’t around 7000 French soldiers along side the 7500 American soldiers in Yorktown. Wasn’t the French fleet which defeated the British fleet? The American without the French Siege Artillery would have bib problem to take the town. And without the French fleet, they would have been unable to protect their main towns.~:)
I'm going to have to add here that America and France weren't the only ones fighting in the war. Vermont was also at war, that's right the Republic of Vermont or whatever the state was called back then. Vermont was not only holding off New Yorkers and New Hampshirites who wanted these green hills, but Vermont soldiers were also instrumental in stoppingt Burgoyne's advance. In the battle of Bennington Green Mountain Boys led by Ethan Allen iirc reinforced Seth Green's New Hampshire militia who were desperately tryng to hold off Hessian cavalry who were out trying to steal supplies which were housed where the Bennington Monument is now.
The Battle of Bennington denied Burgoyne crucial supplies and along with less heated guerilla actions taken by Vermont militias his advance was slowed and his army drained of supplies. This led fairly directly to his defeat at Saratoga, which convinced the French that America was not a lost cause.
Bow down before Vermont, not a signatory of the Dec. of Independence or Constituion (Constitution might have been signed by VT when it entered the Union, but anyway) but savior of the Union nonetheless.~:cool:
Yeah it's a bit of a stretch, but not too much of one.
Wait what was the point of this post? Oh right, it was proving that it wasn't only the French who were instrumental in assisting America in its fight for independence.
EDIT: Yes VT is now a member of the Union, but at the time it was just a bunch of smelly mountain men and probably various Indian tribes in a contested territory.
the undead....nuff said
Spartans in RTW!
This entire topic swiftly comes to rest in its inevitable place of a discussion about who has the biggest d*ck. That gun side discussion is the only thing worth reading here.
Violence...does not solve everything in the world, unless you're watching End of Evangelion or Troy, two very different examples.
The United States of America I feel has the best army.
http://www.globalfirepower.com/ranking.aspQuote:
It's manufacturing capabilities coupled with numbers, advanced technology and nuclear capabilities.
Neat site. True but perhaps a little bias, I liked it. There are a lot of details if one clicks the country links.:bow:
USA has the biggest army, but I think Israel has the best. They have perfected german Blitz tactics and have the most experience a soldier because of the ongoing conflict. But most european countries have well trained armies as well, Belgium and Austria probably have the best guns untill USA has perfected their OICW (which is really a modded german HK36)
All I know is that china has the largest navy.
https://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e...e/coracles.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Telys The Conqueror
China's blue water navy.:laugh4:
Best or most powerful? Or largest even.
Source? This site says otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Telys The Conqueror
http://www.globalfirepower.com/list_ships.asp
It appears we have 1866 total ships while China has 284.
I don't think there is a "best" army out there, tbh. Most armies are built on a similar model, though some are better equipped, others better trained, and others have countless troops to throw around. Personally I'd say the Chinese, but only because they scare the shit out of me. I've heard it said the the Israeli army is the best around.. can't seem to shoot properly though. :no: I'd like to say the British army is up there with the best forces around, but in all honesty.. it just isn't. I'd say that ultimately the influence of the state is the most important factor.
Now - Israel
Their army keep fighing
When they have to practise something they attacks Palestina
I can't definetely tell you whos navy is bigger, I'm going off information thats like 5-10 years old. Still I refuse to believe that china releases accurate military information to anybody, so basically my question is who is global firepower's source?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice
In a war with China the US wins no problem. The USAF and Navy would control the seas and skies over China. Stealth bombers can hit deep targets with ease and criple Chinese Infrastructure and Industry. The Chinese Army is large but I think dealing with China would be like Iraq in Desert Storm, bomb them until they are small enough for the army to deal with. The Chinese Army isn't capable of waging war if they have no heavy equipment, supplies, or lines of communication. The Chinese would lose all their ability to take the initiative in a fight. The best they could do is team up with North Korea and take the penisula and threaten Taiwan and Japan.
I don't think the US would even dare to occupy China, just get a military victory and go for peace.
Of course if/when the war goes nuclear boths sides would lose regardless of the fighting war's outcome.
As for the US vs Brit bit. I think I'd also go for the Brits on part of average soldier quality. The elite Forces and such are never comparable on either side so you need to stack up average Infantrymen, Tankers, and Artillerymen against each other and right now I think that the Brits train harder and get better base level soldiers. The US is softening up it's basic training too much because of recruiting failures. Also there seems to be a lack of seriousness that the US takes it's training with it all seems half assed, at least what I've seen. There's a trend of overrelying on technology. It's my personal believe that too many junior officer rely on their qualitative advantage instead of tactics.
And when it comes to dealing with insurgents I'd also give you guys the "gold" (there used to be tank olympics in canda!) because of your experiences after WWII in your former colonies and of course Ireland as well.
I'd put USAF Fighter pilots against RAF pilots any day though, more experience and still really good training. I'm not taking the technological advantage in account either. Do you Brits think the Eurofighter is really the right plane for you guys? If/when the Joint Strike Fighter ever finishes isn't it expect to outperform the Eurofighter?
As for armor, I realize the Leopard 2 tank is one of the best tanks out there but does it really stack up against the Challenger and Abrams. I thought the Chobham armor plus Depleted Uranium and other composites would make it be way to underarmoured for the MBT role. In all other aspects it's got the latest everthing though, curious as to how these three tanks' respective internal electronics compare. The various thermal sights, stabilation systems and so on.
The Leopard 2 is also yet to see combat right? I'm really curious to see how this tank fares seeing as it's being adopted by several countries over the Abrams (wonder if they just don't want to deal with DU armor).
Oh yeah, one of buddies used to be in the Berlin Brigade and he said that when ever they trained with the Brits you guys would "cheat" and use rubber bullets instead of blanks like it was supposedly agreed upon which would just lead to fights afterward. I myself wish the US would use rubber bullets more often but when training both sides need them.
The flu, it invades a whole lot of countries every year again and again...:juggle2:
Not necessarily. This article in the March/April issue of Foreign Affairs claims that the US has now or soon will achieve first strike capability against Russia and China.Quote:
Originally Posted by spmetla
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Best Army, hummm... US? no, Isreal? no, China?, no, Mexico!Yep!
The Mexican army has managed to sneak 12 million operatives into the US and we haven’t been able to catch a single one of them. They have almost gained amnesty and I fear any day now they will reveal themselves as a crack military team bent on the destruction of the US “Remember Santa Anna!, Remember Santa Anna!”.
~D
To hear this message in Spanish press “1” now.
since im an american ill say USA ALL THE WAY! but the dead, they are the mightiest army of all. or something. its late.:skull:
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Originally Posted by yesdachi
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This is America, now speak Spanish!
How soon we forget. Yesterday we are preparing for the armies of the undead, now we look at the shiny little trinket we found on the street. THE ZOMBIES ARE COMING!Quote:
Originally Posted by VAE VICTUS