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Or maybe he is just trying to fool the mafia away from the real detective? (EDIT: albeit doing a poor job at it)Quote:
Originally Posted by God's Grace
Anyway to my vote. I've been reading BG's posts and I agree with Sasaki and SR that they're a bit suspicious. So I will follow them and cast my vote like this:
Vote: Banquo's Ghost
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Sasaki, did you not deride me earlier for failing to back up my vote with something resembling a valid reason?:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Csar
Should I assume that Silver Rusher speaks for you two, hence this vote?
Please enlighten me.:idea2:
I voted Banquo's Ghost because of what SR said. What Sasaki was saying and because what the hell is a Wanax I don't know what that is do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
No clue. Couldn't tell the difference between a wanax, a snorlax, or a can of Dr. Zoggs sex wax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csar
I did a little re-reading following Ag-Duck's vote, so I'll
Vote: Banquo's Ghost
provisionally -- at least until we here from BG.
Vote: Banquo's Ghost
Explained earlier.
EDIT:
I think the fact that Sasaki explained his reasoning earlier makes up for the fact that he didn't post a reason with his vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
If you saw the definitions of Wanax that Banquo gave, he also mentioned a Mycenaean priest-king or a Homeric word for king.
Now I have been doing a bit of research, and found out that there was a Macedonian general named "Craterus", who late became one of the Diadochi and thus a king. I therefore accuse Craterus of being one of the mafia.
Silver: Why do you accuse Banquo's Ghost of planting Wanax to get rid of Hepcat, when it is was posted in one of the kills again? Whoever did it, did not do it for the sole purpose of framing Hepcat.
Vote: Craterus
I'm flattered that you even think my knowledge of Ancient Greek culture is that good. I'll admit to only knowing about the campaign of Alexander but I guess you have good reasoning there.
I've been away for a few days, apologies for my absence.
I'll vote: abstain. I've read the whole thread; I still have no idea and I don't want to bandwagon BG. Seems a bit like overkill. At least at the moment.
Wow, now that's what I call a bandwagon. Reminds me of the howling mob that lynched me last time I played, again for writing more than one syllable.
There's not much I can say in my defence, since it appears that this town has no interest in exploring the clues left by the Mafia. You are all so terrified by double-bluffs you can't think straight.
For example, some of you are talking about Hepcat being framed. How do you know he wasn't one of the Mafia? If, as Sasaki chided me, these clues are placed to mislead, why would I put my head above the parapet and attract attention to myself?
I maintain that the reference to the Wanax is important - either as a red herring or a real clue. If you all really think that simply exploring ideas deserves a lynching, be my guest. You'll regret it in the morning. I could claim to be an expert on Maori culture or Mycenaen kings, but just try putting wanax into google, as I did, to see if something came up.
I shall think some more before casting my vote. Perhaps that's advice some of you bandwaggoners should reflect on as well.
See previous 4 or 5 posts :stare:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Banquo, theres no way the mafia accidentally included a word like "wanax" in their description. Since it was on purpose it doesn't tell us anything, we have no way of knowing whether it pointed to someone specific or was random.
Good point and seems to be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
Vote: Craterus
Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Oh what the christ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
Voting based on "clues" won't get us anywhere. I don't even see how you are making the connection there for Craterus being guilty. Are you suggesting that he planted a clue pointing at himself? :dizzy2:
It's far more likely that you planted the clue to frame Craterus.
I like your thinking. ~;)
:saint: lord God bless you for opening the villager's eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
interpretation:
very true; they usually do that to frame villagers.
i agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
unvote:theRTWGuru
Vote: Banquo's Ghost
Craterus might have been hoping one of two things:
1.) That no one picked up on the definition of Wanax.
2.) That if even if someone did, it would be refuted by someone like Sasaki, who may well be the other mafia guy.
I think this'll be my last post before leaving on Thanksgiving vacation. Since I'm not going to be able to properly participate in this round, I'll have to:
Vote: Abstain
However, here's a thought: take a look at the old Cosa Nuova thread and look at who played. The quoted Vogon poetry would seem to indicate that the guilty party is a veteran of that game. Of course, he could also be someone who didn't actually play, but followed the thread. I know it's not much, but it's something.
Okay, before anyone gets too caught up in this, the killer mentioned nothing about Vogon poetry. I just put that in because I knew EMFM would want something along those lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
vote:Sasaki
Every game needs a little bandwagon sounding the tune of Sasaki.
He is barking up the wrong tree here...
Now I see I didn't really get your point...:oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
Unvote: Craterus
Vote: Abstain
During the voting, Chief of Police Beirut made a sudden announcement, temporarily halting all proceedings.
"Gentlemen," he said breathlessly, "it has just come to my attention that one eye has been removed from the corpse of Evil_Maniac From Mars. The coroner failed to notify me of this during the initial search of the body. It seems as if his killer meant to create an 'unblinking eye' symbol.
"I do not know how much use this information will be, but nevertheless, keep it in mind while voting."
The Chief of Police went back to his office, and voting resumed.
Here are my results - "Husar: not guilty"
By the way,
I must investigate Ignoramus. Why the hell would you say that apart from that you just want to assume that I am the wrong confession and that you just want to ensure that Mafia doesn't waste their kill.Quote:
No one will believe you. If you were the detective, you would have learnt your lesson from The Godfather Part 2, and not revealed yourself without some useful evidence.
FINE believe what you want to believe! I will post my investigations until I die. If I survive, I will laugh because you already knew that I was the detective.
Maybe so ~:handball:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
But there are no other trees.
I really don't think that's a good thing to say...:help:Quote:
Originally Posted by theRTWGuru
Maybe Sigurd wants to present himself as another tree?:sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Let me take a wild guess at who our next victims will be... :wall:
[edit]: Don't go and blame me for this. I know you are all thinking the same.
I wanted to vote Husar for his 'confession' earlier. But with these new developments I will vote: abstain for now.
I DO NOT believe Banquo's Ghost is mafia, he would have played an incredibly stupid game if he was...
then the mafia will kill you just to be safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by theRTWGuru
The Banquo bandwagon really seems like a canard. Even Silver joined in it.
Vote: Sasaki
Why did you vote me? ~:handball:
Kind of hypocritical, no?
Vote count before I leave:
Banquo's Ghost: 6
Sasaki Kojiro: 2
Craterus: 1
Abstained: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Well, short of a mob mentality that does u-turns, I guess I'm toast - or perhaps the turkey, given the weekend.
The practical thing would be for me to try and move a small band-wagon in Sasaki's direction, but I am now convinced he's an innocent, for the same reasons I know have brought me to this pass, despite my innocence - he has spoken forthrightly and openly - a mafioso wouldn't make such a song and dance to bring the unwelcome attention of the unthinking mob upon himself.
The town talks a good fight about how lurkers never prosper, but those of us citizens who have actually spoken up and tried to put forward reasoned arguments are the ones with votes here. Proves my point, and the Mafia is laughing at you headless chickens.
My vote therefore goes to a very quiet, but eloquent voice. No good reason, because that appears to be way to go, but he should be doomed anyway when the Wrath of God descends, don't you think?
Vote: Don Corleone
Because you're leading the charge on this silly bandwagon. Unless you sincerely beleive Banquo is stupid enough to try the Don C nubsauce approach, I doubt you really think he's mafia. It seems more likely that you're mafia at this point, anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
What's hypocritical, btw? You're leading a weak bandwagon. I think that makes you look more guilty than Banquo does for that Wanax rubbish
Check out the other games. Sasaki does this sort of brow beating thing all game whether he's a detective, mafia, mason, etc. My guess at this point is that both of you are most likely innocent, so if we can u-turn your bandwagon I'd be inclined to lynch a lurker.Quote:
Originally Posted by BG
Happy Thanksgiving!
We don't learn much from rounds where nothing significant happens. Leading weak bandwagons isn't a typical mafia behavior btw, as you say yourself I always do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
As I said before I'm not voting Banquo because of the "wanax rubbish". Ignoramus went for the same thing and I'm not voting him. I'm voting Banquo because the nature of his defense doesn't strike me as innocent. Last round he was constantly trying to nudge suspicion my way, this round he's convinced I'm innocent. His takes the high road in his last post but it sounds like he's taking it for appearances sake.
Nobody who has attacked the arguments made by me or Sasaki has actually made a decent argument. Ignoramus is using the silliest reasoning I have ever seen for voting for Craterus (why the hell would he use a name that connects him to the word Wanax?) so should be ignored (alright, fine, this sounds a bit hypocritical so I should post the problems with his argument. He asked me why I think Hep was framed when it appeared in the kills again. As explained later, it could just be that BG saw a bandwagon on Hepcat forming and couldn't resist) and Proletariat only seems to be able to come up with "a silly bandwagon". doc_bean has actually given us something, but even thats the simple 'he's not that stupid' logical fallacy. Everyone makes mistakes, mafia included, and as BG has not played for a while I don't see why he wouldn't.
Come on guys, throw us some proper arguments! If we are truly wrong, telling us why can only help the villagers.
Anyway, back to the point of the argument. I have no problem with Banquo's Ghost pointing out the wanax reference, but connecting it to Wanaka is just plain suspicious. Let me show you an example of why:
Go on then. You will definitely find the greek kings stuff, but no matter how many google pages you trawl through you will find absolutely nothing, and I mean nothing, about the Maori place name. Even a search for Wanaka, for me at least, comes up with nothing at all about the name meaning a place where grapes grow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
OK, whether Hepcat was being framed or not I do not know. But the rhetorical question that follows is yet another logical fallacy. We have a strong basis for accusing you, and on that basis we can assume that Hepcat was innocent. Onto your last point, however, you obviously haven't read my last post. More evidence is found in this analysis by Sasaki in Mafia IV, if you want to know: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...4&postcount=89Quote:
Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
(btw, in the first example, GoreBag and GeneralH were both mafia. There are also a horde of examples in The Godfather, Part 2, but that post was written before then)
Since I had not played for a while, if I had been mafia it would have been more intelligent to sit back and see how the game flowed, don't you think?
You can dismiss my arguments all you like, the simple truth of this village is people pick on those who speak up. Silver, you're likely to be next, you know.
The reason I changed to think Sasaki innocent is because he's posted a lot, and thus he's getting votes. The quiet don't. Much, much better odds if you're Mafia to shut the heck up or post unassumingly.
I'm going to swing so who cares. I'm done here.
Happy Thanksgiving!
Right, I'm going to throw a big treatise in here:
Vote: Divine Wind
Why?
1) He voted for me. Firstly, I will admit that I am hurt by his accusation, but more importantly he voted for me on the basis that I abstained. Aside from that being a weak reason to vote, he compiled this with a 'humorous' joke, a joke, I believe, intended to make himself appear friendly, likable and trustworthy. These are all tactics I tried when I was mafia, making joking asides to 'lighten the mood', and to make myself appear less serious. The taking-part-for-a-bit-of-fun-don't-really-care-about-the-consequences approach is one I find quite suspect:Quote:
I want the do gooders, the "Im neutral happy and gay!" crowd gone!
No more tight leather trousers in this village!
Vote: Masy
GAH!
Again, he makes a lighthearted post, a post no doubt intended to 'merge' himself with the townies. After all, a mafioso wouldn't criticize themselves, surely?Quote:
Its either a cunning Mafia trick...or their just plain idiots.
2) He was last active at 12:11 today, and yet has not voted in this round. That's fine, on it's own, but compounded with his 'light' posting leads me to believe he is deliberately avoiding a vote (to stay under the radar, no doubt). Perhaps he's trying to mix in with the people who couldn't vote because of the thanksgiving.
3) He claims he wants thecrowd gone, yet I believe he's the (pretending to be) neutral one. He votes, yes, but he doesn't want to appear a band wagoner (as mafia sometimes are), so he votes for someone who at that time was not in danger of a lynching. When people look back at folk's posting records, he'll stay under the radar, because he didn't bandwagon, yet nor did he miss many votes. I believe he's trying to be an 'average' player, one who doesn'tQuote:
"Im neutral happy and gay!"
miss many votes (because I'm sure he's smart enough to know that inactivity would work against him), and one who doesn't draw attention to himself with the votes he casts. People who are talkative and confrontational (Sasaki, Csar etc) always find themselves under suspicion (as I surely will be soon), and I believe that is what he's trying to avoid.
Hmmm. I do't think BG is guilty; surely he would've learned from his last game ad kept his head down a bit? Also, Silver seems to think he's gulity ~;p .
I think the mafia is probably not postig that much, anyone have a list o' lurkers?
Vote: abstain for now.
CR
That's rich coming from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Mistakes are usually slip ups, this was something totally different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Rusher
I feel we should not kill helpful villagers and instead target lurkers, it's anybody's guess who is mafia right now, we don't have much to go on, but if we start targeting lurkers at this point they might feel the need to post more and thus we have a better chance of finding the mafia.
IMO one of the mistakes we often make is to kill the helpful villagers too early in the game, eliminating discussion.
There ya go. Coming up with a GOOD reason why we shouldn't be voting BG.Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
I still got my eye on you, BG. But doc_bean is right, even if you are in the mafia its probably not a good idea to vote you off right away for the sake of chance. Voting for lurkers seems like the best thing to do right now. However, unless I find good reason not to, I will be voting against you later in the game.
I would advise those who voted for BG to change their votes now.
Unvote: Banquo's Ghost
Vote: Abstain (I will look through the lurkers later and vote for one then)
Unvote: Banquo's Ghost
Vote: Divine Wind
Alright I think Masy's right when I was the the Godfather in GF2 (cries a little) that's exactly what I did. I made stupid joking votes or didn't vote at all. That leads me to believe that he maybe a mafioso.
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Silver Rusher
I said the same thing and you brushed it aside. You also ignored my strongest argument against lynching BG which was you being all for it.
That's true, you probably are guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Both quotes towards sasaki, which tells me you're jumping around, sweetheart...:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
The first was me contradicting myself. I thought of it but I was at dinner and couldn't fix it until later, but by then Sasaki had pointed it out.
I'd still rather kill a lurker than Sasaki.
Then why haven't you changed your vote? Huh, HUH, HUHQuote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
:iloveyou:
What's the rush? We have days.
Anyways
Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: Csar
I'm considered a lurker dang when did that happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Don't hate me cause I'm beautiful. ~;)
Who accused you of being a lurker? Hm HRM HRM HRM?!
I said I'd like to lynch a lurker, but because of Sasaki and Silver and them we're going to kill a more likely to be innocent person.
Alright I got confused. I though you were voting for me cause you thought I was a lurker. Though what's your reason for voting me? Hm HM HM HMQuote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
I was being kyoot. But now my reason is because you've now twice quoted the preceding post, like a nub.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csar
:yes:
Yeah Prole I know. :iloveyou:
Sasaki Kojiro 24
Csar 20
GeneralHankerchief 16
Seamus Fermanagh 13
Proletariat 12
Husar 12
Banquo's Ghost 11
Sigurd Fafnesbane 9
Pannonian 8
Ignoramus 8
Silver Rusher 7
Kommodus 6
God's Grace 6
Reenk Roink 6
AggonyDuck 6
doc_bean 5
Kagemusha 4
theRTWGuru 4
Crazed Rabbit 4
Drisos 3
Craterus 3
Divine Wind 3
Xiahou 3
Hepcat 3
Dutch_guy 3
Masy 3
discovery1 2
Evil_Maniac From Mars 2
Sir Moody 2
Destroyer of Hope 1
Don Corleone 1
Zalmoxis 1
UltraWar 1
These are the number of posts in this thread by each person if you wanna vote a lurker. There they are.
You knew I already knew how to find that list, because someone just explained it to me in the chat, which you're in. Are you just trying to get your thread post count up?
:inquisitive:
No of course not I would never do anything like that. :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
How does one get that? (I'm not on the chat here)Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
My, my, my, have a little turkey and go see the Xmas lights and look what happens. Some good points made about/by BG. It may not be time to wanax him. Nor does Kojiro seem out of character so far. So...
Unvote: Banquo's Ghost.
Lurkers are a gripe in this game, and BG is correct that talking can get you killed for no other reason than you're talking. Must consider. Discounting the dead among our low post counters, we have:
Drisos 3, Craterus 3, Divine Wind 3, Xiahou 3, Dutch_guy 3, Masy 3, discovery1 2, Destroyer of Hope 1, Don Corleone 1, & Zalmoxis 1.
Of those, Don C, Zal', & Destro haven't posted since signing on. Whether or not they have roles, they seem likely to draw the WoG before long. I'd hold off voting for these folks for that reason.
Masy has made a reasoned argument about DivWin, which is picking up votes. So far, it seems the best argument put forward. While awaiting Div's response, I will therefore:
Vote: Divine Wind
To get to that list, from the Gameroom, you click on the post count link on the thread you want.
Alright, off to the beach for a few days. I'll be able to follow along somewhat, but not post until I get back Sunday night
As promised, an anti-lurker vote
Unvote: Csar
Vote: Destroyer of hope
Ah and I thought you were gonna keep that vote on me. Dang:bigcry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
There are some inherent problems with this strategy.
1) There are waaay more lurkers than mafia
2) Many people lurk continuosly
3) Last game the mafia lynched a lurker in their noble effort to help the town, and no lurkers tried to post more
4) The lurkers often get mod-killed
5) The lurkers often get killed by mafia
6) What's a person supposed to say when accused of lurking? Everyone knows it's not a serious charge. If you are really dedicated to lurking as your strategy you can just post "sorry about the absence, I'm here now" and fade silently away once you aren't being voted anymore, or just not post at all if you aren't in the majority.
Now, Divine Wind has something to respond too so a few pressure votes there is good. Although:
Is this just a pressure vote or do you really think it was the best argument put forward?Quote:
Masy has made a reasoned argument about DivWin, which is picking up votes. So far, it seems the best argument put forward. While awaiting Div's response, I will therefore:
Vote: Divine Wind
I'd also like an explanation from Don Corleone, because his lurking is atypical. Where have you been these last few days?
Oh wow, I didn't know you could do this. Let's compare!Quote:
Originally Posted by Csar
Sasaki Kojiro 168
Don Corleone 81
Husar 78
Csar 76
Silver Rusher 69
GeneralHankerchief 67
Seamus Fermanagh 64
Myrddraal 58
Kommodus 47
Crazed Rabbit 47
Sigurd Fafnesbane 38
Dutch_guy 30
theRTWGuru 30
Masy 27
Xiahou 24
Proletariat 23
Ignoramus 22
Drisos 17
Divine Wind 16
Major Robert Dump 15
Cowhead418 13
Sir Moody 13
Evil_Maniac From Mars 6
Big King Sanctaphrax 5
UltraWar 4
Peasant Phill 4
Byzantine Mercenary 3
Lemur 3
ByzantineKnight 3
Kagemusha 2
Destroyer of Hope 1
Don went from first to almost last. Prole went from mid pack to fifth. Dutch_guy and Masy have dropped a bit. Ignoramus is up somewhat. Explanations?
I guess if you really want to be a stickler I'm down somewhat in comparison to #2 guy. But I just haven't got goin yet ~:smoking:
Where did you get that from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
It's from the Godfather 2 (obviously...what other game got that many posts).
doc_bean wasn't in that game but he usually posts more than he has.
Prole explained in the chat why the sudden jump in posts. Husar can vouch for that or I could show it too you. If you ask of course ;)
Doc was on my suspect list. Thought it was from the Godfather 2 but I didn't realize I had that many posts. I figured GH or Myrd would have had more posts weird.
The Black Hand
Quote:
Csar 30
Sasaki Kojiro 24
Husar 19
Silver Rusher 17
doc_bean 16
Major Robert Dump 14
AggonyDuck 13
GeneralHankerchief 12
Crazed Rabbit 12
Kagemusha 10
Reenk Roink 10
Ignoramus 8
Dutch_guy 8
Proletariat 8
Sigurd Fafnesbane 7
discovery1 5
Divine Wind 5
Cowhead418 5
Craterus 5
Evil_Maniac From Mars 4
Orb 4
Kommodus 3
Xiahou 3
Drisos 3
Don Corleone 2
Sir Moody 2
theRTWGuru 1
Big King Sanctaphrax 1
I tend to wait until I have something to say before I post. Or just reply whenever I get mentioned :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
About the strategy and your comments: lurkers are the bane of the villagers, they make it easier for the mafia to hide, WoG really helps, but the mafia is usually smart enough to make a few posts and votes, so we should really target the people who put in minimal effort and let the General handle the real inactive posters.
What's more important than targeting lurkers though, is that we DO NOT target active villagers wh!le we do that. You should now how easy it is to get killed when you post a lot. In my first game I got killed for being too active (granted, I *was* mafia). Helpful villagers are exactly that, helpful, and we shouldn't kill them unless we have a real reason to do so.
:grin:Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
Thanks for the support doc, but a lawyer you ain't!
i guess burning BG right now is unwise. at least later on...Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
Unvote: Banquo's Ghost
Vote: Divine Wind
hey im a holy man not a inquistor! the only place where I posted or spammed if you will, was in Mafia I when i was the blasphemous Spartan posting my but off writing unholy messages from the "dead". :saint:Quote:
Originally Posted by Csar
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Yes, its a pressure vote. However, that was the best argument advanced so far. Forcing myself back over the Wanax stuff, I noted that too much of it was based on suppositions OUTside the game and too many assumptions about mafia tactics. If you have to argue with X, Y, AND Z all being "provisionals" there are too many flaws to rely on it.
Masy's argument about Div Wind was based on the text/tone of Div's postings -- within this game -- and he supplied clear support for the reasoning behind his interpretation of those posts. Thus, his argument is more "grounded." It is not, of course, without its weak points, but seemed enough to move forward with for now. Certainly enough to pressure the votee into a more active/open series of posts so as to gather evidence.
You rightly point out the weaknesses in an "anti-lurker" strategy. I particularly agree with the point about likely WoG victims. Those who have never posted in this thread since joining are a "wasted" lynch. The likelihood that a mafiosi is taking that "distanced" a lurker strategy seems small, and therefore I am not pressuring the more likely targets if I cast my vote in that direction. That's another reason I was more willing to buy into Masy's hypothesis rather than hammer Destro, Don C, or Zal'.
As to Don C, he over-posted in the first 20% of Silver's recent game, so his count was a bit inflated over what will become his average. Since he is a family man (as in spouse and Jillian, not omerta-stuff:beam: ) I'm not sure this doesn't just represent his doing the Turkey thing. Was he active recently (I didn't check before replying, this was an added thought).
Thought: Somebody is going to have to do some more statistical treatments of post-count before we have a true townie strategy there. What average post-count creates townie wins? Is total post-count or average per poster a better meter? How does character death in the first, 2nd, and 3rd quartiles affect post-counts? What is an "average" post count by role? Do I lack enough of a life to actually devote time to answering these questions?
Tackling this statistically would help the number-oriented among us. As it is, there is a strong bias toward qualitative analysis based on the utterances within a series of posts -- gives a real preference to those trained in such an analytical background.
You should bold the vote so Der Generaloberst does not miss it.Quote:
Originally Posted by God's Grace
A trifle eager to see DW lynched, are we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
As I said before, I don't care about wanax. What I do care about is how Banquo was accusing me one round, and switched to taking the high road as if he realized that was a better strategy for appearing innocent. He can't really have suspected me the previous round then, could he?
I was responding to your own accusations against me, which at the time I thought unmerited and an attempt to get me lynched. On reflection, and with other townsfolk weighing in on your side, I changed my mind about your motives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
You will also note that whilst I accused you of motive, I did not switch my vote to you.
Pet peeve. Since I actually spreadsheet the votes, I hate the thought of missing one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
BG could certainly have changed his view from one round to the next based upon, for one thing, the tone/style of your posts. He did not articulate that, however, so your are correct in that his shift in suspicion is unreported -- and some would argue indicative of a mafioso casting around for easy targets.
You know, if we could supply the sub-labels under an orgah's name, Banquo's would already read "Lord of the Wanax":laugh4:
A thought just struck me.
Proletariat is just making personal attacks, and while she might be making a lot of posts, they are mostly one or two liners and none of them are at all helpful. She is also trying unusually hard to stop BG being lynched. So, I believe BG is guilty, but also believe lynching him would be a loss to us if he was innocent. However, Proletariat is overly cooperating (btw, go and look at the first round of The Godfather, Part 2 and see how much Csar and GH cooperated) with him, plus she is far more active than usual, leading me to believe she is guilty, and lynching her won't be a loss to us (more like a gain) if she is innocent.
Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Proletariat
Oh, by the way, one thing struck me in Proletariat's posts:
Same thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Quote:
Because you're leading the charge on this silly bandwagon. Unless you sincerely beleive Banquo is stupid enough to try the Don C nubsauce approach, I doubt you really think he's mafia. It seems more likely that you're mafia at this point, anyway.
What's hypocritical, btw? You're leading a weak bandwagon. I think that makes you look more guilty than Banquo does for that Wanax rubbish
I cannot find anything here that even slightly resembles the same thing that doc_bean said. db said that BG is helpful and so we shouldn't lynch him, you simply said the bandwagon was 'silly', 'weak' and 'a canard'. Hardly forms an argument, does it?Quote:
The Banquo bandwagon really seems like a canard. Even Silver joined in it.
Strikes me that there are few easier targets than the unresponsive early in the game. The early active essentially hang themselves, it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
:laugh4: I'm tempted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
More seriously, is it really so ludicrous to postulate that the mafioso who chose such an obscure reference is not revealing at least something of himself in so doing?
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Almost as unlikely as putting obscure chemistry references in the kill description.Quote:
Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
Well, If I understand correctly my low post count at the beginning of this game in comparison to one taken from the end of another game leads to the conclusion I have been posting less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Okay, now if I understand correctly the only thing I'd have to do - to not seem like a lurking mafioso - would be to....ehm...spam ?
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Oh goodie! Look at the controversy ive caused by making a 10 second post on the whim from a break from work. Its probably good that I dont post so much, otherwise the .org might implode. :laugh4:
Hurt? I dread to think how you survive in the real world Masy. Its just a game, I meant nothing by it. I just randomly selected you from the group of abstainers. Nothing was meant in it to annoy you or critiscise you. Just random. :bow:Quote:
He voted for me. Firstly, I will admit that I am hurt by his accusation
The comment itself was just meant to be humourous. Im not a mindless robot drone, and my conduct as the serial killer in the Black Hand with the cucumber killings should back up my strange sense of humour. Its just the way I am.
Not intended at all old chum. Its the way I always try to come across.Quote:
I believe, intended to make himself appear friendly, likable and trustworthy
GAH! Im being stalked! Do I need to get the police involved?! ~;) Im currently working long hours at my new job, so any break I get are usually spent looking at the Medieval 2 forum for 5 - 10 minutes. Hence why I dont post in the mafia thread until I get back from work. Silver Rusher and Sasaki can confirm this from a PM or two ive sent them in the previous games.Quote:
2) He was last active at 12:11 today, and yet has not voted in this round. That's fine, on it's own, but compounded with his 'light' posting leads me to believe he is deliberately avoiding a vote (to stay under the radar, no doubt). Perhaps he's trying to mix in with the people who couldn't vote because of the thanksgiving.
I hide behind no-one. I just dont have the time to post every hour.
I dont think bandwagoning achieves anything, so I always try to go for random accusations to see if it provokes someone like yourself to suddenly outburst and take things a bit to personally, which leads to clues. Ive done it quite a bit in the last mafia games. Take a look for yourself.Quote:
He votes, yes, but he doesn't want to appear a band wagoner (as mafia sometimes are), so he votes for someone who at that time was not in danger of a lynching.
Anyway back to TV, tea and biscuits.
Silver, you may be interested to know that for the past few days Prole's internet has been limited to he internet cell phone. It is rather cumbersum to post using such a device, so it's no surprise she's posting one-liners. Now if she was posting one liners much earlier then you may have a point.
Cookie.
Vote count:
Divine Wind: 4
Banquo's Ghost: 2
Craterus: 1
Sasaki Kojiro: 1
Don Corleone: 1
Destroyer of Hope: 1
Proletariat: 1
Abstained: 4
24-ish hours until I stop voting.
As to our three "lurkers:"
Destoyer of Hope was active on the .org today,
Zalmoxis was last active on 11/23/6,
Don Corleone has not been active since 11/20/6.
Edit: Don C was on the day of the first murders/beginning of first lynch vote.