The Org Buglist v2

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Originally Posted by sapi

With your idea of a memory leak, what does your memory usage look like when you get the problem (quit the game, hit ctrl+alt+del, go to the performance tab and look at peak memory usage)?

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I did one better... took a series of screen caps of Task Manager: Before I run the game, while it's running without campain map lag, and then after the lag has been going for a few minutes. Note that Task Manager popped me back to the desktop, and I have no idea what that may do to the game's memory imprint versus when it's actually the active window.

http://www.goldeneaglecomics.com/pic...foreLaunch.JPG
http://www.goldeneaglecomics.com/pic...unningOkay.JPG
http://www.goldeneaglecomics.com/pictures/AfterLag.JPG

After I quit the game, it looked so close to identical with the pre-game state that I didn't even cap it again.

So unless I am missing something glaring, the numbers I'm getting don't look suggestive of any memory leaks. The available memory is only VERY slightly lower after the lagging was going, but presumably this is not nearly enough to cause any memory issues, or this particular issue, and is probably just due to the game needing a little more memory for legitimate purposes as I got deeper into the campaign.

As I said though I could be wrong or have missed something obvious, so if anyone has a word of confirmation or contradiction, let me know as I'm sure some people here know more than I do about these kinds of things.

Hmmm - i'm actually, on considaration, inclined to disbelieve the memory leak theory - i've never seen my page file get touched and after playing mtw for hours today my memory usage is at 37% of 2GB.

Hard to say what it is though...

(The first post's update will be coming some time this weekend)

Sapi is correct. There's no memory leak. Those who have reported the memory leak should consider it's something else, such as anti-virus or windows services running in the background. My memory is 100% stable with M2TW.

Ok, but what is it then?. I have nothing running in the background when I play. I like to have everything available for the game. Even the network connection is shut down.

It's a problem with one of the textures/animations in a siege battle.

Personally i'm leaning towards it being the smoke (and a similar dynamic transparencies issue to what occurs in oblivion) but that's a purely uninformed guess so don't quote me on it (unless i'm right, of course :P )

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I have the unspecified error bug, presumably caused by the aforementioned elphant unit issue. This explanation makes sense, because I have only experienced this in battle against the tamarids, and in battle with my one army which has elephant units.

It occurs usually about 30 secs into the battle every time I fight the Tams now.

What I don't know is how to fix it. Can someone please let us know if there is a fix? Another poster in another thread claims to have had the same problem and before anyone replied they said that they figured it out and fixed it on their own but neglected to explain what was causing the problem or how they fixed it. I am guessing that they had an unrelated hardware issue.

Is there a fix for the elphant bug? Have they put out a patch fixing this?

Thnx for any help,

~Buck
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If i remember correctly then it's fixed in the new patch - you should be able to find a thread on it (with a download link) in this very forum.

I just skimmed through the list and want to add some "texture oversights". These are easily noticed in custom battles and I believe that one can also see the phenomena in the campaign.

Berdiche Axemen: Regardless of armour level, their outwards appearance stays the same. You can give them no armour upgrade, 1 armour upgrade or 2 upgrades, they just look the same. This can't be right since we have seen Berdiche Axemen wearing special masks.

Venetian Archers: Their armour upgrades are switched. Upgrade a unit and they show LESS armour than the upgraded version.

Venetian Heavy Infantry: Same problem as the archers.

I will post screenshots tonight.

Updated.

(and since i noticed the 40k quote in your sig, faenaris, i'd like to add one from the game Dawn of War - 'hope is the first step on the road to disappointment ;) )

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It appears that marrying a general acts a marrying a faction heir should do and vice versa (ie, marrying a faction heir brings him into your faction whereas marrying a general doesn't). Reported with marrying Robert in Caen first turn as the French.

Gunpowder upgrades at university give bonus melee attack instead of ranged.

British can build military academy and get gunpowder associated traits and retinues before gunpowder is developed.

Christian factions can retrain most mercenaries, even ones which are not found in their home territories, whereas muslim factions can't even retrain local ones.

Becoming a king makes you lose your starting piety bonus.

Gunpowder infantry often get stuck 'reforming' and don't do anything but get killed.

When using "Total war" view, in the French version of the game, the camera keys relate to a "qwerty" keyboard, and the other contros use an "azerty" keyboard.

Troops with the plague don't display any indication of it, making it hard to stop it spreading (bug or 'feature'?)

Archers seem to have infantry marching sound and infantry seem to have Archers marching sound - archers make the intimidating 'crunch crunch crunch' noise as they march, wereas infantry just rattle and barely make a noise.

The mongols sometimes fail to expand, and just sit around as a big horde.

Crossbows sometimes fire an empty volley when you tell them to move or stop firing; and they won't turn and run until they have completed their firing animation, making saving them from charges impossible.

If the gates shut to stop a routing unit passing through, the unit will never pass through the gate, even if it opens later in the battle, and will be almost impossible to kill.

The AI can get new family members in stacks in the middle of nowhere.

When an enemy army decides to assault one of your settlements, by having diplomats/prests/spies/assassins in the enemy territory you can see their planned route (the big blue arrow) of the enemy army all the way to your settlement even when it's going to take several turns for them to get there. Even if you then use this information to massively re-enforce the settlement the computer still follows it's attack order resulting in the enemy sneak attacks being utterly non-sneaky and disastrous for them.

The campaign map sometimes lags very badly, even on high end systems, and this does not seem to be reproducable, even though it is a widespread issue.

Historically, the game is missing several road connections that existed in real life. Constantinople-Trebizond, Nicea-Trebizond, Caesarea-Yerevan and Caesarea-Trebizond are examples of connections that existed and were significant historically but are not ingame. To clarify why this is a bug (and, to be honest, it's more of an enhancement), the absence of these connections makes life very hard for the Turkish and whoever invades their empire.

The AI sometimes withdraws its armies (on the battle map) directly towards an army that is waiting to enter, preventing the AI army from leaving.

Upgraded armour is not represented visually on Berdiche Axemen.

Venetian Archers and Venetian Heavy Infantry show less armour the more they are upgraded (ie the effect works in reverse).

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Originally Posted by sapi

(and since i noticed the 40k quote in your sig, faenaris, i'd like to add one from the game Dawn of War - 'hope is the first step on the road to disappointment ;) )

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Aha, another Dawn of War player, excellent! ~:) I got all the quotes from that game sitting in a text document. I just love them. ~:) I had your quote in my signature for a long time. ~:)

:P

You could call me a DoW player, but to be honest i didn't really like the game - it was fun while it lasted but there was too much rushing and not enough strategy in mp :(

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Originally Posted by sapi

:P

You could call me a DoW player, but to be honest i didn't really like the game - it was fun while it lasted but there was too much rushing and not enough strategy in mp :(

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Never did quite get the hang of Warhammer 40k. Classic Battletech was much much easier in the way of books and games, too bad Wizkids and whomever else it is now took that franchise down the toilet with a vengeance. Dark Ages... (shudder)

"YOU DRIVE LIKE A FREEBIRTH, CADET!!!" 1000k bonus points if you get that.

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Sapster, sadly I must reconfirm a bug with the latest patch. I'd posted this earlier in the thread, about playing a siege battle, I am the attacker. The defender has an army inside the city/castle, and a stack coming in to reinforce. Well, per usual I position myself to engage the reinforcements to smash them before they can get into the city, and am successful. My ^&%(*%& units still won't chase down and kill routers! Double-clicking and single-clicking to attack the routing unit fleeing into the city does nothing. Positioning my units in their path hoping to get some kills does nothing. Ranged units will not fire on them with fire-at-will, or a directed attack.

Hi

I think there's enough evidence to show that the passive AI has been improved but not adequately. It seems the experience is different depending on the battle conditions. It's still early but I think we should be requesting a review of passive AI once again for Update 2, and it should be included for the buglist.

Please see here for more details:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=75369

Will post again in a week or so but as far as I'm concerned it's confirmed, at least 50% of the people who reported are reporting the passive AI issue is still outstanding. There is also a lengthy post on this at the .com with people complaining of the same issue.

My apologies if I am posting in the wrong thread. However, both before and after the patch my mouse icon will freeze on the campaign map. The mouse itself is still functional, although invisible. Needless to say, it makes playing very difficult. The mouse graphic remains frozen even after exiting the game. The only solution I have found so far is to reboot. Any suggestions?

A bug that I cant seem to be stated is that the general's bodyguard unit never seems to get upgraded.

Two more post-patch items. Sorry if they're already posted.

1. When modding the turns to make it 2 turns per year, the date doesnt' jive with what's displayed on the campaign map UI. IIRC the campaign map UI is one season behind the actual timer.

2. Found a stupid bug related to the catholic factions. As the english, I was row row rowing my cogs merrily around the Med, when I came across Tunis which was owned by the Sicilians, who are a. excommunicated and b. my enemies. Naturally having a larger stack I plow in and beat off two stacks, when I see two more wedged in that little bay. Go after them as well, but as I go to attack, I get the menu item "You sure? You'll be excommunicated if you do this!"... :dizzy2: Why would the Pope care? They're excommunicated themselves! Should be free game!

This seems to constantly happen to me playing as HRE on VH/VH pre- and post-update. Also I had an insatnce tody where the freshly finished Ballista towers only fired arrows, even though the ballistas were clearly sticking ot of the towers.

Another minor bug I found was when I got reinforment Teutonic knights from a corner section, where the unit of knights never arrived on the battle map for command, as three horses were still off-map, but the unit had stopped moving as it clearly reached the "entrance" mark. And I was counting on them badly.

Ok, is this already in another buglist?

If not, why does it not appear in any buglist? :furious3:

It is not fixed in the 1.1 patch.


@Whacker
Perhaps, you killed the Sicilian leader.

Mate, i'm not sure what you're trying to point out.

When i build those buildings in the campaign, it all works fine, so i'm not quite sure what what you've said means.

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Originally Posted by sapi

Mate, i'm not sure what you're trying to point out.

When i build those buildings in the campaign, it all works fine, so i'm not quite sure what what you've said means.

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Ah, then ask me!

You think it all works fine, because you are used to the RTW system: Every port level increases 'Trade fleets' +1. So, it is the same in M2TW.
But it is intended to work differently.
Merchant's Wharf, Warehouse, Docklands should increase 'Trade fleets' +1 not port, Shipwright, Dockyard, Naval Drydock.

Look at the export_descr_buildings.txt!

trade_fleet X
trade_base_income_bonus bonus Y

These are exclusive for sea_trade buildings.
Port and castle_port buildings don't even have trade_fleet and trade_base_income_bonus, their only purpose should be ship building.

So, it is an hardcoded issue an has to be fixed by CA.

How come each level of sea trade building i build gives me an extra trade fleet then?

I've got lvl1 docks at many cities and i can see that they have more than one trade fleet, and i've seen the number increase with the building of merchantile buildings.

Also, i've never seen a city with a dockyard have less than 3 fleets going to it...

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Originally Posted by sapi

Also, i've never seen a city with a dockyard have less than 3 fleets going to it...

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You have to look at the export fleets! The import fleets are not effected by buildings, afaik. I've examine the trade mechanics for quite a while. Trust me, or else I have an complete different game.

If no one else sees a bug here, perhaps we should open up a thread concerning trade mechanics. ;)

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How come each level of sea trade building i build gives me an extra trade fleet then?

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Hard to believe, I'm not aware of such things happen.

Hmmm - i'll take another look tomorrow but you're the one who's seen the hard data in the files so i guess you're right...

Not sure if this has been noticed yet, but if you form a spear unit into a schiltrom, and have them aligned next to the city gates (touching the gate), then a seige ram will not be able to break through as it will constantly keep engaging and disengaging.

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Originally Posted by Divine Wind

Not sure if this has been noticed yet, but if you form a spear unit into a schiltrom, and have them aligned next to the city gates (touching the gate), then a seige ram will not be able to break through as it will constantly keep engaging and disengaging.

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Ah - so that's what's been happening.

Nice find mate.

Ive recreated it a couple of times (only in city sieges so far), and as soon as you order the schiltrom unit to go back into line formation the ram starts to engage again, whether the unit is touching the gate or not. Its just the schiltom formation that causes this.

Being the honourable player that I am, I always move the unit back to let my foes enter the city.

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^^ When that happens i generally stay in schiltrom formation, but get my worst unit to run out through the gate to open it ;P

A CTD

My general has night attack trait.
He attacks an enemy captain. Another enemy captain is nearby so he is in as reinforcement.
I rightclick to view the reinforcement's units. Close it. Tick night attack. untick night attack. And rightclick the reinforcement potrait again. Crash to desktop.


Anyone experience this ?

Merchant bug is still there with the 1.1 patch.
Had a merchant down at timbuktu trading ivory for 740 per turn after restating the game he's down to 104 :wall:

I have an update on the mouse button4 bug (which is still present in 1.1), namely pressing mouse button4 (free look mode) in a battle results in the camera continuously spinning anti-clockwise. :dizzy2:

The update is that this bug only seems to occur when running at a video resolution of 1280x1024 (strange but true). This has been confirmed by myself and independently by Pokletu Staktu in this thread:

http://p223.ezboard.com/fshoguntotal...icID=500.topic

Also, the bug is more to do with free look mode itself rather than the mouse. So the bug still occurs if you use the keyboard binding for free look (without touching the mouse).

ShellShock, that's been reported and should be in the first post.

Thanks for the confirmation though.

Martin, that's a pity, but thanks anyway.

I'll pass it along after Chrissie.

Don't know if this has been mentioned.....

There's a really annoying bug that makes "wrong" culture buildings appear on the battlemap - ie a late middle-ages Venetian style palace in the middle of Scotland at the outset of the game (more or less my first battle), Christian churches in the middle of the desert and, finally, the one that's really hacked me off....

"Discovered" the New World, sieged whatever that first city is called - Aztec buildings but one bloody great Muslim style dome in the middle. A few turns after I capture it it rebels so I siege it again - now the whole bloody thing is Muslim, minaretes, the lot and not an Aztec building to be seen. I know it's only eye-candy but it does rather ruin the effect.

Edited: Tlaxcala, that's the place.

Could someone ask CA what the deal is with pikemen? The front rank drop their pikes shortly after impact, while the rear ranks turn around and start walking backwards into the enemy.

Attacking with pikemen is impossible because the front ranks try to walk into the enemy. This is especially apparent when the AI is controlling them.

Pikemen forming spear wall in guard mode are no more resistant to enemy charges, but will not attack after the initial charge. The same problem exists for spearmen and halberds.

The anti-trait problem:

In RTW, anti-traits were on a sliding scale, so 1 point gained in one trait when the character had levels in the antitrait would cause a 1 point reduction in that trait. Further points would cause the antitrait to reduce levels until zero was reached, whereupon the character would start gaining levels in the new trait.

For example, a character has 2 points in GoodCommander (level 2 GoodCommander). He loses a battle and gets 1 point of BadCommander. As GoodCommander is the antitrait, it drops to 1 point (level 1). The character picks up another point of BadCommander. GoodCommander then drops to zero and the trait disappears from the character sheet. The character gains 1 more point of BadCommander. BadCommander now appears on his character sheet at level 1.

In order to prevent traits from sliding up and down unchecked, the system also included a nogoingbacklevel setting for each trait. In other words, once you hit the threshold for a particular trait you could never reduce your score in that trait below the threshold, no matter how many points you scored in its antitrait.

The triggers and traits in the character_traits file are configured to work under those conditions. However, it seems that the mechanics have changed for M2TW, wrecking havoc with the way traits are gained and lost.

Research for M2TW reveals that gaining points in a trait automatically resets all antitraits to zero, regardless of nogoingbacklevel.

For example, I have a Great Commander, 8 points in GoodCommander. I gain 1 point of BadCommander. I will lose all 8 points in GoodCommander immediately.

Needless to say, this causes a lot of trait seesawing and makes it virtually impossible to gain and maintain higher skill levels for characters, since even one point in an antitrait causes the character to revert instantly to zero. This is probably a pretty serious bug that is mostly beyond the abilities of modders to rectify.

Annoying CTD...
Playing as the Hungarians and the Mongols decide to perform a night attack against my fortress at Aleppo. Everything starts off normally. They have one small army with 1 ram, 1 set of ladders and 1 siege tower and a reinforcement army on the other side of the fortress with no siege weapons consisting mostly of cav.
Well basically i sally some units out to take out the guys manning the ram. A fight ensues and my guys overpower the ram team and the light lancers that try to interfere. This is when the CTD happens. Tried it a few times, sometimes i manage to torch the siege tower before it crashes, sometimes it crashes just as i'm sallying the units, I can't seem to find the exact reason.
I havent tried fighting the battle differently... but i will.. and see what happens.

i second the compaint about the pikemen. i have done thorough testing and the ai is not right on them. sometimes they point in a direction where not even one enemy soldier is and more often than not the whole formation will turn to swords a few seconds into melee.

not to mention the new discovery that you can command a heavy cavalry unit to move beyond a pike unit instead of charging it and recieving no damage from the pikes.

that one really disgusted me. one more stone on the pikemens grave.

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Originally Posted by mad cat mech

i second the compaint about the pikemen. i have done thorough testing and the ai is not right on them. sometimes they point in a direction where not even one enemy soldier is and more often than not the whole formation will turn to swords a few seconds into melee.

not to mention the new discovery that you can command a heavy cavalry unit to move beyond a pike unit instead of charging it and recieving no damage from the pikes.

that one really disgusted me. one more stone on the pikemens grave.

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I have a quickfix for that, check out the Swiss Cheese thread. Guaranteed suicide for heavy cavalry trying to walk through the pikemen.

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The anti-trait problem:

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Needless to say, this causes a lot of trait seesawing and makes it virtually impossible to gain and maintain higher skill levels for characters, since even one point in an antitrait causes the character to revert instantly to zero. This is probably a pretty serious bug that is mostly beyond the abilities of modders to rectify.

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Perhaps not so beyond modders' abilities :beam:

After some discussion and whatnot, things are moving along and a workaround of the antitrait code is emerging. Don't look for a finished product yet as it's (hopefully) being tested at the moment until it gets into some sort of final form... but hopefully it won't be long now. Nothing on the nogoingback level yet, but it's on the list next and should be doable as well.

There's always hope :yes:

I consider this a bug in MTW, RTW, and now M2TW. When I am in a blockaded port, I have to fight my way out. When I am blockading a port, the computer slips through untouched. It just happened me playing Hungary against Sicily at Tunis. If he can slip out, I can slip out or it is a bug and ruins the whole gameplay in favor of the computer.

If you attack a settlement that has a reinforcing army coming, it's very possible to ram the city gates and send a unit running through the city to take the side gates that the reinforcements tend to use to get into the settlement before they get there (the reinforcing army always walk).

Once you've taken the side entrance the reinforcing army gets very confused and tends to hang around just outside the walls in a random dispursed formation and let your archers stand on the wall and blast them to bits even though the other gate has been destroyed by your ram. Routing armies will also try to retreat through the entrance you've taken and they all get stuck there till your cavalry decide to skewer them. Also they won't/can't use their artillery to destroy their own walls to get their reinforcements into the city.

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Originally Posted by Sapi

The 'm2tw has encountered an unspecified error' crash bug is mentioned under 'hardware specific'; could you elaborate on the reforming bug please?

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Hmmm....those bugs are sounding more and more like hardware specific ones, as i haven't seen any reports.

If they are widespread it's worrying though...

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that bug is widespead. it causes when system loads once damage elephant units to next battle without train to have it full. so full elephant unit of Timur doen't make it crash itself. it confirmed.

And u don't know reforming bug?? did you ever play it??

ma hardware spec follows below

manchester 4200, usually 55-57 temp when playing
2Gb ddr1 ram dual channel
160gb harddisc, 92% still available
7600GT 256mb non-overclock

game option ->shader 2.0(u know that VGA servicible for shader 3.0) highest unit detail, highest effect detail, none or low others

that bugs i mentioned is not about hardware at all.

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Just to say I'm getting the same crash bug in my Turkish campaign against the Timurids too. They've besieged my citadel & have assaulted w/o any siege equipment. They're using 1 unit of Elecannon to try & create a breach. After about 5-10 mins of fruitless firing, the game crashed & that error message came up. When it happened the first time, I switched the PC off & went to bed; today I've reloaded & exactly the same thing has happened. It's really annoying - 150 odd turns in of a carefully crafted camapign, I can't seem to go any further.

My system is low-end however (but I've completed a Venetian campaign on it already), but I'm using the settings it chose for me (low on everything).

Athlon 64 3000+, 512mb RAM, GeForce 5900XT, & enough memory

ANy thoughts?

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My system is low-end however (but I've completed a Venetian campaign on it already), but I'm using the settings it chose for me (low on everything).

Athlon 64 3000+, 512mb RAM, GeForce 5900XT, & enough memory

ANy thoughts?

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try to increase the unit texture quility up to high or thereabout. the game will look much better and your system should be able to handle it as well.
also disable grass to increase the performace..if ya need to.

Has anyone else noticed that if you're running the game via a mod switch, any changes you make to the game options (Or at least the video options) get saved to your medieval2.preference.cfg file and NOT your mod cfg file... So the next time you run your mod it won't have the changes applied, and you have to copy the changes from one file to the other by hand?

This is kind of bad, because it means that if you wrap a cfg file in your mod distribution, your users will be stuck with your video settings...

Hugh, that one's well known (a bug with the timurid units), and personally i don't think you could increase those video settings at all.

I did not find this one listed so here it goes. Between Bucharest settlement and its port, there is no road or a crossing across the the river in the region to get one.

I've only got the game a few days ago so this is a new game on v1.1. Anyway, the auto-merging feature (M key) is inconsistent. Sometimes it'll work, sometimes it'll kind of work, and other times it won't work at all. In other words, sometimes all units get auto-merged, sometimes only some types do, or none at all do. I haven't seen this mentioned and it makes me wonder if I'm the only one getting it since it's such a basic function.

Whenever the auto-merging breaks, the only way I've found to fix it is to manually merge one pair, then repress the M key. This time it will work on the rest of the sets, although it is not guaranteed to work on other types of units unless I manually merge one pair of them also. This bug happens in both field armies and garrisoned armies.

is this a bug?

one turn in game equals 2 years on the time line... but the characters just age one year a turn (or maybe one year per two turns... i havent checked that...)

It's one year per two turns, and it's a feature to ensure that your characters don't die before they have a chance to develop.

@dunno, yes, i've noticed that too, though i haven't tried the manual merge workaround (and, tbh, i can't remember how to do so :P ) - i'd previously put it down to mercanaries not wanting to merge but you're right, it may well be a bug.

so let me get this straight... on the timeline 1 turn is 2 years but for a character 1 year is 2 turns?... thats stupid...

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@dunno, yes, i've noticed that too, though i haven't tried the manual merge workaround (and, tbh, i can't remember how to do so :P ) - i'd previously put it down to mercanaries not wanting to merge but you're right, it may well be a bug.

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You can do manual merging by just dragging the unit portraits. I experience the auto-merge bugs even with militia spearmen who has taken casualties from the black plague, for example. So I end up with six stacks of 72 of 75 spearmen. Yet when I press M repeatedly, sometimes absolutely nothing happens. But if I drag two of the stacks together and then press M, I'll get five stacks of 75 and one stack of the remaining as is proper. Apart from the workaround, most of the time it clears itself up and works properly the next turn though.

Not sure this a bug or not, I was being attacked and set my army on the side of a fairly steep slope, had alot of problems placing my 2 cannons and ballista, even though the areas I wanted to deploy them on were fairly level. I manged to find 3 places for them although not really where I wanted, I was hoping to have my cannons overlooking the cliff, firing volleys down the side of mountain.

Once, the battle started, I couldn't move any of them, so just gave them orders to engage any target, then they started the reload animation, up to the point where the barrel points down, then stopped, and started looping. Eventually near the end of the battle a unit of elephants must of got to the only point in the map where my cannons could hit, and they started firing properly. My ballista only fired when something stood right in front of it.

I get those problems too - the placement and firing AI is horrible on mountainous maps

This has probably been mentioned already but I'm not reading through 200+ posts to find out!

Last night I noticed my saved game had a date that was one day ahead of the actual date.

Edit - This morning when I saved over my current game the date was correct. Perhaps the game uses GMT for the date? Or is there a game setting somewhere to offset GMT that I missed? My system date and time are correct.

i think the merchant bug and what you are talking about as well as other things like one i experienced the other day are related.

i was at war with milan when i saved my game but when i started playing my game later i attacked an army of theirs because i was supposed to be at war with them and i ended up ruining my reputation because i attacked an ally which was ended several turns before when milan attacked me.

there is some kind of memory bug and i think that all these problems could be related of course thats my opinion.

a minor bug: in the spanish version of the game (at least), French hasn't pre-battle speeches.

As the French, on the campaign map, when you right click the units: Chivalric Knights, and Noble Knights, it shows them as having the same stats, yet on the unit info sheet that came with the game, it shows Chivalric as higher.

I got the horse breeders guild headquarters, and the cavalry upgrade gets stuck perpetually. The guild upgrade is 1 locally and 2 globally but it gets caught in a loop and experience on the cards bounces between 1 and 2 and in tha queue it is still trying to upgrade.

Shields are totally messed up in melee combat. They work effectively in ranged combat, but in melee not only fail to help protect the unit bearing them, but also make the unit progressively LESS well defended the higher the unit's shield stat is set (a unit with shield stat increased takes heavier losses in melee against any given enemy unit than it would with a lower shield stat). Setting a shield unit to 0 shield value actually helps it survive melee combat, sometimes a very substantial amount. This has the unfortunate effect of giving all shield-bearing units the melee stopping power of warm butter under vanilla game settings... and while warm butter is quite tasty, it is decidedly a bad thing to be like on a battlefield.

Yep.

I'll add it when i get around to updating the buglist.

My archers aren't getting the experience bonuses from the Master Woodsmans Guild except in the city they are recruited in, or from the Woodsmans Guild Headquarters at all. Same with Hospitaller Knights, only get the experience bonuses in the cities with the master or headquarters guilds but not the effect on all the units as it should.

The effect is all archers in all cities with less than silver chevrons is offered for retraining on every turn, but never is upgraded, just a waste of money. Also you cannot tell what the retraining is for so if there are armour upgrades available you can't tell, so I can never retrain archers and all my cities are full of archers offering to be retrained.

The first post's been updated and i've forwarded the list on to CA

AI can melee and shoot your troops with a ranged unit (bow, xbow, jav) at the same time, i.e. you engage an enemy archer unit in melee (only the frontal part of the unit) and the back row keeps firing at your units, doing massive damage.
This only seems to work for the AI too, never for my own troops. Noticed this in RTW already, especially on walls.


Demanding vassalage is kind of messed. When my reputation (i.e. global) is very reliable or trustworthy, and I demand vassalage of a nation that has no navy left, only a few troops (sometimes only 1 generals bodyguard) and i have troops in their last region, demanding vassalage is very demanding and nothing convinces them to become your vassals.
However, at other times in the same scenario with another nation, demanding it is balanced or even generous. I'm not quite sure what causes this discrepancy as the conditions where pretty much the same. They usually only tended to be at war with me too.
Also noticed that when you got their last city under siege, they also don't want to accept? (and will not in later turns either after lifting siege etc - as if having sieged their last city only once seems to break something)
On the other hand, I managed to make turkey and russia my vassals once after they broke their alliance with me and they both had supreme military power and 10+ regions each by simply offering vassalage which was rated as "balanced" - only difference there was that the mongols had arrived but they were not at war with them.
All tests done with skill 10 diplomats btw.

There seems to be some problem with the last few stages of global reputation: very reliable and trustworthy.
I was permanently at very reliable by only occupying cities and releasing prisoners but funnily, when I sacked a city cuz I was bored, it suddenly went to trustworthy? It seems that if you onlt rely on occupation and releasing, it will never go to trustworthy on its own but only when you actually do something thatshould harm your reputation it will go to trustworthy or so and remain there. Otherwise it might hit it for 1-2 turns and then go back to very reliable. (tested under H and VH difficulties)

Military access is borked. I got mil access from the turks and moved a crusading army very closely right next to Iconium (no intention of attack, i wanted to go to egypt) and my relations went down to drastically.

(not sure if bug or not) armoured mounts and non armoured ones (in moutned units) are equally easy/difficult to kill.
I did the test using gothic knights and a non armoured mount mounted unit (forgot which one) and gave them both equal stats in their defences in the descr unit file. I had longbowmen up a hill and fired at them in Medium difficulty and usually roughly the same amount would reach the longbowmen (with slight discrepancies as arrow accuracy is random as is hit-death bugs). So unless I'm missing something, armoured mounts do nothing to protect the mounted unit. They also die similarly easily against stakes.

Edit:
Since 1.1, the pope always sends troops to take or at least camp in Florence. Find that kind of odd as once after I took Florence and was allied with the pope, he declared war at me and took Florence! (usually he just attacks and takes the rebel town by arouns turn 10 the latest)

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but Naval generals do not get a command bonus in combat.

@factionheir

- You can emulate the melee/shoot actions of the ai archers; you just have to wait for the unit to engage in melee combat and then give the order to fire. All troops will attempt to but those fighting will immediately go back to defending themselves while the rest pepper the enemy with arrows

-yep, vassalage is screwed :P

- That issue with mounts sounds bad :(

- I've seen teh same thing with teh pope - in one of my games he's taken tripoli (or the other one - i forget the name, but it's one of the african provinces) without any interferance by me. He just beat me to the city too :(

I do not think mounts give any bonus for soldier on them. And this is from export_desc_unit datafile:

; stat_sec_armour Details of animal's or vehicle's defenses (note riden horses do not have a separate defence)
; As per stat_pri_armour, except that the shield entry is ommited

They only have different mass, but mailed, armoured, barded etc, they all have the same mass.

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Originally Posted by Revenant

I do not think mounts give any bonus for soldier on them. And this is from export_desc_unit datafile:

; stat_sec_armour Details of animal's or vehicle's defenses (note riden horses do not have a separate defence)
; As per stat_pri_armour, except that the shield entry is ommited

They only have different mass, but mailed, armoured, barded etc, they all have the same mass.

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Yeah, the descr unit does not claim for them to have any difference but visual but shortly after M2TW appeared, a lot of people claimed or thought that mounts do make a difference.

Sound bugs:

HRE navies will use a defending against an enemy speech when attacking at times.
HRE navies will use a battle lost speech when winning a battle at times.
Armenian heavy cavalry will feedback light cavalry when clicked on.

Need further testing.

Minor Update: A Complete list of Sheild Bugs:

The list of issues with shields alone is now 5 items long:(.

1. Need further testing.

2. Was Not a Bug, confirmed by CA.

3. They provide no defence in melee that we can tell.

4. They actually apply some sort of penalty in melee too.

5. If a unit has a shield stat greater than 0 they won't brace for a charge properly. this hurts the ability of all Shield units to receive a charge, but especially Spearmen vs. cav.

I attacked a rebel army after merging. Two characters got teleported to Milan, which I had just gifted to the Papal States.


https://img138.imageshack.us/img138/...rmybug1da4.jpg


Here is the army on the battle screen:

https://img138.imageshack.us/img138/...rmybug2dd3.jpg

Are you running any mods? They could produce this. If not, then I don't know whats happening.

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Originally Posted by Carl

Are you running any mods? They could produce this. If not, then I don't know whats happening.

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Nope. M2TW + Patch

I've come across this time and time again but only now realized I should post it:

You get the "this will result in excommunication" warning even if the action you are about to complete will not result in excommunication NOR cause the papal mission to fail:
examples:
1.sallying out to attack an enemy you were told not to attack. This is allowed by the pope but you get the screen anyway.
2.attacking an undefended city and were told not to attack. This will result in you taking the city but not causing mission failure as no blood was spilled.
3.attacking while told that your relations will only suffer (not "you may be excommunicated"). Reasoning obvious.

Therefore this should be made much clearer when you get the "this will result in excommunication" warning as I can imagine it will especially make less experienced players hesistate.

Princess portraits when they die get replaced by general's grayed out portraits if they die by violence or accident:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=77739

In the data/settlement/techtree folder the subfolder names seem to be misspelled, don't seemto match any others it supposed to link to, and probably right now, i hope the hardcode can find them for battlemaps.

Minor update, theirs some suspect results showing up for sheilds vs. missile fire. They are still defintly effected by AP missiles more than non-AP missiles. But the results with regards to which does better protection wise, (sheilds or armour), are inconsistant, producing tottally oppossite results in two tests so I need to run a third test set to check things.

Rare bug:

After a victorious battle where you lose very few units, once the combat results screen appears you may lose some extra units for no reason.

This happened to me when I fielded an army of:
1 general
4 hobilar
4 longbow
against
2 town militia
2 spear militia
3 ballista
1 sergeant spear

I killed them all losing only 3 hobilars but when the battle ended, i noticed my hobilar units that still had full numbers had their numbers reduced by 1 for some weird reason and they also showed up on the casualty screen.
Not sure what's causing it but I vaguely remember that it happened in RTW sometimes too.

The battlefield northwest of Milan is buggy. Battle fought there started off slow and got progressively slower as reinforcements came on and became unplayable. Same armies fought ok directly north of milan. The battlefield features a clifflike very steep slope that curves round

halberdiers are too slow

I tried this out for fun and found a bug:

When ransoming back family members or having them released by the enemy, they have a high chance of getting a trait which gives them chivalry - The trait's description fits better to the one releasing the troops than the released troops however so its likely a misplaced trigger.