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A tie between Urban Cohorts from RTW and English Longbowmen (any type, they're all good!) from M2TW.
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150th Post!!:beam:
A tie between Urban Cohorts from RTW and English Longbowmen (any type, they're all good!) from M2TW.
I once destroyed 3 units of French cavalry with two units of new, non-veteran longbowmen. Nuff said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vorenus
Holy crap, what are they feeding Longbowmen in Medieval 2 -- chocolate-flavored steroids?? :inquisitive: I know they're good, but I don't know if they should be *that* good!Quote:
Originally Posted by OliverWKim
lol very good martok, and by the way how are mithrandirs stables going?
p.s. GO WARDOGS WOOO WOOO WOOO WOOO WOOO!!!!!! I ONCE KILLED 20 SLINGERS WITH ONE WARDOG! SO GO DOGGYS!
sincerly........................................warking.......................................:2thum bsup:
Notice, they were French cavalry...Quote:
Originally Posted by OliverWKim
In MTW, it has to be the SwissArmouredPikemen. Whatever job you may assign to these dudes, they can be relied upon to execute efficiently. Great for slaughtering cavalry of all kinds, brilliant at chewing infantry, with an especially viscious charge!
In RTW, the sheer sight of Royal Pikemen ( A Macedonian unit ) is absolutely brilliant to behold. This unit is a walking forest of pikes which should defeat most units in a face-to-face confrontation.
Oh just fine. You're due up for another another turn at feeding the camels yourself, btw. ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by warking
They're excellent units, but it's a pity they take so long to tech up to. I usually get bored with my campaigns by the time I get to the Late period, and the Late period itself doesn't interest me much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leigh
One of the reasons my favorite units (Jinnettes, Gazi Infantry, Huscarles, & Bedouin Camel Warriors) are ranked so high is because they generally don't have massive build requirements.
Huscarles are the only real exception to this, as I believe they require a Castle. But then they're so overpowered, that this is just as well. :yes:
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I agree, the things with all those massive build requirements i dont use that much... especially two turn units, ugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martok
Oh, I don't know about that. Naptha throwers in MTW can be great fun when utilized properly. ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Vorenus
Jesting aside, though, I agree it's a pain having to wait 2 years for a unit to be trained. I understand the rationale for it, but I can't deny it can be irksome at times.
Huscarles require only a keep to train. Armourer plus swordsmith are the requirements to train them, IIRC.
Yeah, I realized that after I posted it. I was thinking of Caravel's MTW Pocket Mod, which does require a Castle before Huscarles can be trained. (It's a small measure to help balance the fact that they're so overpowered.)Quote:
Originally Posted by greaterkhaan
I planted stakes with my longbowmen and they were positioned on high ground, on top of a hill. There must have been a glitch or the AI cavalry was just stupid. They charged (allowing me to shoot down quite a few) straight into my stakes. Self-impaling must have been quite the trend in feudal france. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Martok
Well, the most impressive stupid "charge for glory" ever heard of for me was the battle of Crecy in 1346. All the knights of the french Army charged uphill, under the rain, in the mud, and under heavy arrow-fire coming from the english.Quote:
Originally Posted by OliverWKim
A slaughter.
Taken individually the french knights were impressive warriors. But a lot of their leaders were just thinking that charging head on was the only way to win...
Lots of battles (Agincourt, Crecy) where the French lost seem to involve impetuous charging knights/nobles and muddy ground. And English longbowmen, come to think of it. Not a very good combination.
Actually I've got to add another unit to my list: Spartans from RTW!!! The most disciplined killing machines I've ever used in a game. I made a simulation of the battle of Platea (approx. 40,000 Greek hoplites and 70,000 light infantry against 200,000 Persians - represented by the Parthians) and my two units of Spartan infantry literally mowed down seven units of Parthian infantry. When I checked battle statistics, both Spartans had around 800 kills, and altogether suffered only 40 casualties. These numbers are slightly inflated as I set Unit Size to 'Huge' - a nice tactic to get large-scale battles.
Space Marine Deathwatch Kill Team. Adamantium armor gives them better armour than most 40k tanks, their enhancements give them strength to flip over a Leman Russ tank and speed to dodge bullets.
Their bolters can blow an unarmoured human into bloody mist in one round, and they get Power Knives, which cut through armor like a knife through butter, and they get special special weapons (master crafted and everything).
These guys could take on 8k Spartan Hoplites and win without a single casualty, THEY RULE ALL!!!!
Okay, seriously
My favorite unit in RTW has got to be the Sacred Band Phalanx. The second best Phalanx, and the best Mass-produceable one.
In medieval two I would say Chivalric Knights/Armoured Swordsmen.
STW-? don't have
MTW (1)
Catholic- Italian Infantry-low reqs for good spearman
Teutonic Sgts-pretty fast for armored cav
Swabian Swords-tough HRE early unit
Huskarles-homicidal tin-can on steroids:furious3:
Jinettes-light cav w/ benefits
Muslim-- Armenian Cavalry-real heavy cav w/ insanely low reqs
Jannissary Heavy Inf-the Turkish dog food factory
Almohad Urban Militia-dude these guys are hardcore
Orthodox-Druzhina Cavalry-80 men+Armor Piercing=lots of dead catholics
Varangian Guard- disciplined version of Huskarles
Cataphracts-come on...its the Katatanks
Universal/Regional-Avar Nobles-early Cats for the rest of us
Steppe Cavalry-horsies drinking lots of coffee
Steppe Heavy Cavalry-all this + bows too:2thumbsup:
Swiss Armoured Pikemen- great charge stopping power
RTW-
the Cretins at Sparta...oops that's the Spartans at Crete
yep...Spartan Hoplites and Creaasshun Archerrsss
i also like Cataphract Archers, Sarmatian mercs, and Armoured hefalumps
BI-Clibanarii Immortals, Hunnic Elites, Saxon Hearth Troops, and Francisca Heerban
MTW: Jinete, hands down.
VI: Too many to list. I love so many of them.
STW: Never liked any of it.
MI: Ditto above.
RTW: Urban Cohort (I killed three full stacks of Eastern Infantry with 3 units of these), Arcani, Foresters (excellent marksmen).
BI: Hounds of Cluann (They just don't die!), Saxon Keel (Effective and fast) anything that can shield wall or go berserk (ie. Lombardi Berserker's).
M2TW: Forlorn Hope (nigh 'pon impossible to rout), Gothic Knights (Will rip apart three units of dsmtd. Feudal knights without breaking a sweat), Peasant Archers (Sooooo underestimated en masse), Scots Guard (fav. archers - excellent marksmen, tough in melee), Norse Swordsmen (Cheap, very cheap - very effective).
Most HRE units just pwn.
-Max
Huscarles - single most painful unit to have in ur enemy lineup
In RTW i loved using panzerphants... kicking and tossing
I have to say in Barbarian Invasion I have a new favorite faction, and hence, all their units are my favs. The Faction is the Allemani. Lombard Berserkers, Lombard Archers, wardogs, etc. I recently played a full campaign with these guys, and I have to say my battle were, bar none, the best tactical battles I have ever fought. The units worked as advertised (each was very good at supposed specialty) and a lot of battles came down to superior tactics winning (or bad tactics losing) the day. Not to mention how much fun it is releasing the Berserkers on top of a wall and watching the opposition literally fly off the walls.
Worst unit ever? Levy Spearman (Franks). These guys were horribly misnamed. They should be called Levy Javalinmen. They have no bonus versus cavalry, which IMHO is the only thing I want from my SPEARmen. Since they are just glorified javalin throwers, it leaves an annoying hole in the basic order of battle for the Franks. Don't get me wrong, I still like playing the Franks, it's just irritating that they have no base cheap infantry unit.
I think they have a bonus, but like the ERE Lanciarii it isn't shown (however haven't really played BI since I patched it so may be wrong if it has changed). And they do have shieldwall which is always nice (and spear units are not as slow in it like swords and axes).Quote:
Originally Posted by B-DogKY
Yup. Rain + Mud + English longbowmen = Do not go there. Ever! :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by OliverWKim
Oh, after having fallen in love with a basic Medium Cavalry built in Defnas a few campaigns ago, I'm now in love with the welsh bandits. My, oh, my: fast as a bow, longer range, runs like a highlander, armour piercing, more than decent in melee (dies a bit easily though).... I've won a couple of battles against VIKINGS in a welsh campaign just because I could havily reduce their numbers with welsh bandits attacking from diferent sides, the enemy not knowing where to send its army. When they finally arrived to my main body of troops, they were 70% of them, and very tired apparently.... The general unit, which was standing a bit aside was finally routed by my 4 welsh bandit raining arrows...
In MTW which I'm currently playing again I'd have to say....... kataphractoi for cavalry they just roll over people......
Spanish jinetes because they are great for pelting the enemy and charging in afterwards (although only REALLY effective from the flanks).....
Gallowglasses...although they have poor morale they have a great attack and cost less to maintain than even peasants(22 florins compared to 37 for peasants).....
A little off the point but one of my favourite features of the battle scenario is the follow missiles option(when you right click a missile unit as he is firing at a target).......... it just looks cool........
Just sliced through Britain as the Welsh.
I am back to my old arrowing ways. Those v+1 archers at a reduced price... I just wiped the floor with all comers. :eyebrows:
Have now switched to a Pict campaign, to fine-tune my crossbow skills.
Not when I play against them!~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Water
If you like V1 archers, then try out V2 longbowmen. Very fun indeed, though perhaps overpowered.:yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glyndwr in Hwicce
Hands down Gothic Knights are my favorite units in the Medieval series. The beautiful gothic style armor, armored steeds, maces and morningstars and of course the lances... Everything a man in battle could want! And of course Dismounted Gothic Knights with zweihänder make you water at the mouth before a good scrap! ^^
Have not played it in a loooong time because of compatibility issues with XP but in STW my favorite unit is Heavy Samurai Calvary. Nothing gets me more than heavy armor! And for infantry it was most definitely Naginata Samurai. Heavily armored samurai with a Naginata, give me one good troop of naginata armed samurai to defend the bridge into Musashi and that's all I need! :smash:
Tschüß!
Erich
I have two new fave units from XL, they are Voynuk Swordmen and Voynuk Bladesmen.
Hi guys,this is my first post.:sweatdrop: I hope i don't say something stupidthey.
I like the English longbowmen-They're pretty much the cretan archers of M2TW.
The only thing i dont like about them is that sometimes during sieges when im defending,they tend to shoot high up in the air rather than shoot directly at the enemy.This is rather innacurate and less demaging to the enemy therefore making it pretty annoying.Can someone please tell me how to solve this problem?:help:
As I hard-core Nomads fan...surprisingley I have to admit: I love those Landsknecht mercenaries...gimme 2 stacks of these [playing a Hungarian campaign in MTW2] and we´ll go all the way to Venice or Jerusalem.
I think they have a coool animation to. Call them the Spartiats of my Magyar army.:laugh4:
In RTW?
Cataphracts
Cataphract Chariots
Nubian Horsemen
Camel Riders
In M2TW?
Gothic Cavalry
Chivalric Knights
Viking Raider (I know that they are not very good, but they look kewl ;))
In MTW?
It has been SO long since I played :embarrased:
Lusted proposes reducing the max angle to 45 in this thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by Death is yonder
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=83719
RTW: Forester Warband.
STW: Naginata Cavalry. IIRC they could perform well against just about anything.
MTW: Jinetes. They were *so* cool for rushing purposes.
EB: Caetrati/Caetranann. Cheap, effective against anything, just about.
Blue Lotus: Wang Liang. The. Coolest. Unit. EVER. Plus they're nicely overpowered. I also love the Mongol horse archers and the firelances, those are pretty good.
[QUOTE=econ21]Lusted proposes reducing the max angle to 45 in this thread:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=83719[/QUOTE
Thanks!It works nicely now.:beam:
wo man serious this thread is still going?? thats pretty good you've gotta admit..
I have more units! This time they are from EB, they are Spartiartai Hoplitai(Spartan Hoplites), Toxotai Kretekoi(Cretan Archers), Lo'hamim Azzilim(Sabean Noble Infantry) and Giusim Aravim Tsfonim(Arabian Light Archer-Spearmen).
I think that Serbian Knights are the best...:charge:
In Rome... Legionary Cohorts. Just love seeing it, classical Roman imagery :dizzy2:
I was Julius Caesars father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate in another life.
I now like Spanish Musketeers from M2TW a lot now, especially with them decked otu with top experince,armor and weapon!
And also Tercios with best armor etc.
I like the pilgrims, because they are powerful, ok powerful, especially in religious powerful:dizzy2:
Mounted archers are my favorite troops. Especially the ones with a high stamina.
mamluks archers, dvor cavalry, mongols mounted heavy archers.
English Lonbowmen all the way!
With 4 units of them and 4 units of Billmen I killed a full army :knight: of Frenchies!
The Armoured War Elephants are hands down the best unit in the series. They can gore you with there tusks, trample you, shoot you with arrows hecks they can even knock open gates.:wall:
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Chariots...they kick ass...need I say more? Okay, Okay...fine...I will...dont be so pushy. I was engaged in an epic battle back around 180 b.c., standard, untampered rtw. I, of course, was the most noble egyptians, and had just recently gotten a stackfull of soldiers to Rome, the fabled heartand of the most notorious roman empire, which had recently been beaten off my most remote and seperated settlement...that of Tara (Ireland). Okay, Back to Rome. The S.P.Q.R had two stacks of most experienced triarii, priceps, hastati, and about 5 family members strewn about, aided by a stack of early legions and the older troops from the julii and scipii. I was fending off the onslaught of 3 and a half to 4 stacks with my one stack of shock-troops. I really thought that my family heir, along with the entire force involved with Operation: Kick Roman Ass (patent pending) were done for! But some clever posistioning and the extensive use of rocks to drive their forces apart, allowed my chariots to wipe their family members off of the map. I drove them into the enemies flanks, biting quite deeply into the enemy ranks, killing them by the dozens. A battle for which I held no hope was instantly brought into the light. I carved deep with my archers, holding their men at bay with my pikemen and my cavalry, somehow holding out against the overwhelming onslaught with much ease, winning the battle with only two hundred casualties...to thier two thousand. My chariots alone caused a full half of their casualties, and earned my undying respect. I later went on to completely conquer the romans, and later the whole of the map!...again...
You were caesar's cousin's roommate? Or were you his roommate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shieldmaiden
In RTW my favourite units are all legionaries. Their javelins are devastating, and they kill everything on their way in melee.
In M2TW, musketeers. Very long range + accuracy + gunpowder = many DEAD :skull: enemies.'
I must admit that I don't remember a thing about MTW because I was 10 years old when I played it. :embarassed:
Yep, got to go with the Legions! I just love setting up in a "chequerboard" and just waiting for the enemy to come to me...soften them up with some arrows...then the javelins are enough to have them faltering....hit them hard from the front with a counter-charge (assuming they're still coming!) and then ride them down with whatever cavalry is available :skull: . Another victory for the Empire. :laugh4:
I've got lots more non-Roman experience now, and...
In RTW:
(Briton) Light Chariots - Wow. Just wow. Death Race 200BC. Now CA, let me play as Boudicca! I'm sick of Briton Generals all being blokes :wall:
(Briton) Head Hurlers - Routing the enemy in horrible style? Yes please.
(Roman) First Cohort - Well I paid for Rome. I want to see classic Roman Legions. I demand it.
(Greek) Spartan Hoplites - I've seen quite a few last stands by Spartan Hoplites. I'm proud :balloon2:
In BI:
The Saxons - I just love their look, its iconic Dark Age to me (from bad films like The Siege of the Saxons) and learning about the Battle of Hastings, and things in School :book:
Ha'Abbirim Ha'Qdosim Se'l Astarte:laugh4:
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Such a cool name though, no?
wo is this thread still going?
thats incredible.
Well, you did ask for 60 pages, right? :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by warking
Hail to All! I hope I'm not to late to add my thoughts to this prestige thread! I have played RTW and Barb Inv with several factions and I have come to this conclusion - For infantry I have to give it up for Legionary cohorts, They take orders well - don't rush unless told and won't break as easlily as others. For Calvalry again it has to be the Romans again. I played as the Secludes and when you use their cavalry it is a whole new world. I use cav to outflank my enemy, charge from behind and send them to Hades gate, ha ha! But with the Secludes they exhaust all their arrows before charging. I'm not saying it's wrong but it's an entirely new way of fighting - it took some getting used to I'll tell you! I have to say it's really neat to try other units in battle. You gain more respect for your enemies, you learn new tactics for all the units you encounter and finally not very often its nice to have somebody hand you your butt on a plate once in a while. GODSPEED! Veni, vidi, vici.
Roman Pila infantry!
very fun to use, and can use them very effectively in cities, by testudo then undoing so they are closer knit, then lining them all up together and putting fire @ will and hold ground on- very hard to break
Companion Cavalry from RTW vanilla, Principes from RTR (the workhorse of my Roman legions) and the Varangians from M2TW.
I vote for Polish Retainers; of course, over all, I vote for anything calvary in nature. Artillery helps too...
FAVORITRE UNIT?!?!?! :dizzy2: That is a tough question to answer! Ummm..... In the normal MTW VI, I would have to say that I like the Varangian Guard... They can take and give out such a pounding! In the MTW XL mod, I would have to say that I like Klibanophoroi (a heavily armored Byzantine ranged cavalry with a mace as their melee weapon!) and the naptha catapult... (BOOM!!!) Yet to play RTW or M2TW... *sigh* :shame:
Favorite infantry units:
1. Spartan Hoplites-Toughest soldiers in the game! (Especially trained at foundries and panthieons.)
2. Silver Sheild Pikemen-121 troops, cant beat that!
3. Principes-Easy to get early in game and effective.
Cavalry:
1. Cataphracts-Armored, thats enough said.
2. War Elephants-expensive, but worth it.
3. Roman cavalry-not expensive easy to obtain after Gaius Marius!
1 - Sacred Band Infantry
2 - Sacred Band Cavalry
3 - Armoured Elephants
4 - Archer Auxilia
5 - Cretan Archers
6 - Spanish Mercenaries/Scutarii
7 - First Cohorts
and so on
Hmm...
1. Spartan Hoplites
2. Sacred Calvary
3. Highland Nobles (Claymores for the win.)
From M2TW: Serbian Knights & Serbian Hussars, Norse Axemen, Galloglaich
From RTW, RTR mod: Keusanan Wrakjoz and those berserkers, I think they were Austa Sachsaz, I can't remember.
Hope I got the spelling right...
awesome, too awesome try and reach 10 pages!
MTW XL: Korean skirmishers, Mongol Horse Archers, Mongol Warriors, Clibinaphoroi(sp?), and Lithuanian infantry
I hyave a new favorite, they are from XL, they are Kataphraktoi archers Cillibreni are something.
STW: Mongol Light Cavalry
MTW: Mongol Horse Archers
RTW: Scythian Noble Horse Archers
M2TW: Teutonic Knights
My favorites are as follows
MTW- tukomann (sp) archers, and teutonic sargeants
RTW- the EB units- persian archer spearmen, and their arabian counterparts.
M2TW- polish nobles, and the Katanks (old reference)
oops, almost forgot the camels that are in all three games
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sorry :bow:
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:juggle2:Quote:
Originally Posted by warking
In MTW, Gallowglasses.
So far in M2TW, gunpowder artillery.
STW -- those archers.
RTW -- those long-range mercenary slingers.
M2TW -- longbowmen.
Heh heh. I always prefer good missile units in my armies to deal fatal blows.
Hail! I must admit that I'm totaly amazed at the love for missile units. I salute your patience!! I fail in that department I fear. Let's get to the thick of it and resolve the issue. Maybe I'm not utilizing my missile units to their tactical prime?
He who hesitates is lost!
Fuck you all bitches.:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :
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I love Missile Units.I use them all the time,and they saved me in more than one occasions.
I know I already posted here, but I'd like to add a unit to my preivous picks: Swiss Pikemen; they're tough little buggers.:egypt:
keep going only 2 or 1 more pages to go!
Chosen Axeman! especially in my mod
Some cover by archers and cavalry and... MOCHI KOZLOV!!!:bounce:
I like some mercenaries too. They are useful.
Like:
Thracian Mercenaries
Balearic Slingers
Cretan Archers
and at least, but very important, the Mercenary War Elephants!
My old Myrmidons and Skeleton warriors. (mod units) Ah...good times...