jes that was fast. do we have a date for the opening of the horde site?:beam:
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jes that was fast. do we have a date for the opening of the horde site?:beam:
Its been a whole hour, and Im not yet banned. W00t.
HA seems to be going through the list of possible words and phrases to censor and updating it constantly ... I had to change my sig several times to show the new website...
i tried to postthe word "horde" in the twc forum section and its being censored with ****
oh thats clever
Should I ask HA if i can be banned? ;-P
You guys are really working hard. I've received three PM's this far asking to join the new site.:laugh4: Good, good.
HA must be doing this right now::wall:
I have bad news:
Entering in total war horde.com redirects back to the old site
Lovely, now they switched off the sig-images over there. Guess they just didn't want people advertising the new site.
That's 'cos it's totalwarhorde.net - NOT totalwarhorde.comQuote:
Originally Posted by ssfsx17
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssfsx17
That's because it is totalwarhorde.net. Accessing the website will have you directed to a placeholder page.
I just received The Sword of Cao Cao's mass PM regarding the new site. The word "horde" has been censored out and the address listed on the attached image is hardly decipherable. Could someone please tell him to resend the PM using a censor bypass for the worde "horde" (i.e., h o r d e)? I would ask him myself except they've blacklisted me. I'm worried that most users won't be able to find the proper URL, even with the PM. Thanks!
Interesting that Archer deny that H&G is staff , Archer also says they arent removing the mods. Funny thing is H&G says he spoke to the owners and they arent moving them, and the chat log is a fake. Then if he isnt staff how can he speak to the owners?
I think I will wait and see what happens. I can careless about a coup, but something dealing with the mods is another story.
Well I don´t know how many accounts I´ve created today, but I´m exhausted now...My threads dissapered instantly so I don´t know how many succeded to read them. My latest, and last alias, is "Cerxes". I´m going to be "cool" with that one so I can post something.../C22.
I didnt recieved anything so far... :juggle2:
What happens in twcenter?And please, stay in the org.We need fresh meat here :laugh4:
"junior member"? - hehe...
Ogre (possessor of the site), desiring to transform TWC into a general gaming community, sacked the entire administration, appointed a reviled member as the new "Imperator" (as they called it), and then purged the entire Old Guard by banning them when they protested the actions. Threads were summarily deleted without notification or warning and scores of members placed on a global ignore list for (in many cases) politely promoting the new community, twhorde (TWH).Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius
This will not happen here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manstein16
Here, there is speech freedom.You follow the rules and everything will be ok.
SUPORT THE TOSACRACY!:bounce:
hehe well I'm sure some of us will still post here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius
I do but TWH is the homebase :yes:
wow, your thread just been blasted, lusted...
Which thread is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Calle22
Im lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manstein16
nothing unusual today/yesterday, just putting some former members in coventry list... /C22.
It´s a disgrace what they, ON and some collaboratores, are doing to this fine forum which I´ve visited several years from the Shogun days. And I wanted to remain neutral in this conflict, but realised that it was impossible to stay untouched and look the other way around...And when "they" started to remove threads and posts, well, that was enough for me. I´m only sad that some of the moderators have chosen to go ON:s way... /C22.
From what I can tell, the only mods remaining are either (a) members-in-exile who were brought back by Horse Archer and ON to support their policies (such as Honor & Glory), and (b) novice members who exploited the situation and are now mods as a result. Sadly, Horse Archer has forced everyone to choose sides: either you're with him or you're against him. Anyone even expressing tolerance of the new community on the boards is punished swiftly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calle22
Yes I´ve noticed that...but Archer...I thought first, and especially since his thread were he "spoke clearly" about the conflict, that he was tied up or overrunned by ON, but since he still in a leading position back at TWC, then he is apparantly in to this split of the community... /C22.
well, i noticed entire sections of forums just 'dispearing'
So i started a thread titled 'ok, what the hell is going on now'
That then 'vanished' so i started antoher one.
Then i got dumped on the block list.
Its not just dissent they are crushing.
They are attempting to wash away any evidence of anything taking place at all.
So, someone has registered the "totalwarhorde.com" domain and has redirected it to twcenter.net? You are dealing with some rather, shall we say, very immature people, with far too much time on their hands. You had registered .net on the 16th of this month as far as I can tell. Your opposition seem to have registered the .com domain today on a one year lease. You were caught napping a bit there. You should have registered .net .com and .org as quickly as possible.
I think it's highly probable that you're being observed here also. The .com domain was probably registered and redirected after noticing the accidental link in one of your posts on this thread. This is also why they're filtering certain words over there and turning you into "ghost" members. It seems rather futile to me, as people will find out about your new site eventually anyway.
oh, and my apologies for double posting. but i dont seem to able to edit my posts...
The staff memebers now, are all simple people who became mods.
Including a homophobe, who publically 'insulted' many members calling them homosexuals and largely flamed to high heaven. after that incident he became a moderator.
Antoher new moderator. is a user who got in seroius trouble on the .com for Repeated and unabated CA bashing and slander. he has done much the same on TWC. he is now also, a mod.
Anyway.
Lets hear for the ORG, and total war Horde ~:cheers:
The True total war community.
I can´t belive it! Someone (ON...) has bought the .com domain and redirected it to TWC...The story repeats itself from the RTR affair, where Tyr & Co. did the same, even if they owned the server at the beginning /C22.
well i got banned, along with lusted and spirit of rob, to see why i got banned PM me and ill show you, as posting here would be frowned apon haha
Totalwar horde. It's going to be my place. Please get this site to run swiftly. I would love to join a new forum, since the old one is dead.
at LT H&G is defiantly back on staff even if it says he isnt because he just banned me for asking why he had the ability to delete threads again :laugh4: and i spent so long making sure it was polite!
Caravel, you´re right, It would have been best if those taking care of the new domain would have reg. the other big domains also. The opportunity is lost, but I belive in the power of the "djungle drum"...So I think that this "strategic move" by someone at TWC will hit back sooner or later as this is indeed a very immature act, which every intelligent person will agree on. /C22.
ho hum. My account has been deleted. I clearly was much more dangerous than I thought. Still, being assassinated has a certain appeal.
There is also an extreme catholic(also history of flaming) and I think one of them is a rumanian nazi that once got suspended for making racist remarks but not sure if that was him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigfooted
Edit: yes, it is the nazi, Arbaces now known as Oroles.
It's good that we have this thread going on... I logged off for a day and found TWC upside down and modders clearing up their sub-forums... my sign gone and the links for the TWhorde removed... that's very cheeky and immature from their part :thumbsdown: I whish u guys very good luck and let's hope u can host the new site soon, I'm certainly going to be an active member since the mods I follow r leaving TWC :beam:
I'm still trying to figure out why I was ghosted. On no occassion did I flame or criticize anyone. I simply stated my support for a new site that focused more on the community.
:wall:
Ok, of course I know why I was ghosted. It's the complete lack of procedure or protocol that astounds me. It represents the arbitrary nature of rule that has taken over TWC. What a shame. I understand that forum politics can be a nuisance (thus the utter lack of them on virtually all community sites) but fail to understand why Ogre couldn't understand the very unique nature of the site he owns. Much of the draw to TWC is that it is different. Dozens of sites abound for the purpose of educating players on the intricit nature of the Total War series. TWC was so much more than that. And I say "was" because it is rather quickly being dismantled. A good idea of how many threads have been deleted can be ascertained by the fact that my post count dropped by over 100 overnight. It's a shame that an admin could be so myopic as to believe that erasing words equates to erasing the ideas behind them. He's scared, really; countless websites have been advertised on TWC over the years without consequence, while now the mere mention of "totalwarhorde.net" is enough to cause a member to be banned indefinitely. It is a sad, sad state of affairs.
I'm sorry to see that ON pulled a fast one and purchased TWH's .com counterpart. No matter. Word has gotten out quickly in ways that TWC's admins will not be able to halt until the damage is done.
Again, many thanks to everyone on the Org for allowing us to spend our time in the wilderness here. Your kindness will not be forgotten.
I just happened to register there the day after all of that happened.
At first, I didn't know what was going on, then I found out.
This whole situation stuns me. Obviously the circumstances are ridiculous in themselves, but I don't understand why they go through this absurd tyranny of censoring members who "speak out" and even blanking out a normal word which has a perfectly legitimate use when discussing the game in order to prevent people finding out about any alternative. Not only is it completely futile (as people can just go here, or to the .com or wherever) but it's unnecessary and counterproductive. If they're so dead set on repackaging TWC as a generic forum, wouldn't they want the old guard to leave? Why not just say "OK we've taken control of the forum and are making changes, if you don't like it you can leave"?
It's bad enough that someone (whoever is really behind this) is bent on usurping an entire community whom not a few people have invested a significant part of their lives in for their own purposes, but this totalwar*****.net stuff is farcical.
Antagonist
Guys, about the .com site, I don't think there is any reason to be concerned, most people will find out that modders moved to totalwarhorde.net and most importantly modders do know each others and they will move (and most mods has their own web pages anyway). As it was with RTR domain some months ago.
Now atleast most modders (except for those working on new site) will have more time to spent modding :idea2:
About things on twcenter, I'll wait for some days(or weeks) with making conclusions who is playing what role and why is he playing that role.
About new site(to which I'm looking forward), I guess modders will know what environment they will need, one notice through - having mods sorted by for which version of RTW/RTWBI thay were made - I don't find this optimal, as some do work with both at some moment, so I would recommend joining them to one thread for all RTW.
Don't worry dude.
These guys know what they are doing.
The system they created on TWC worked well and I can imagine that it has the same system now.
I posted the following open letter to Horse Archer and Ogre on both TWC and Ogre's Network Forums. It took about 10 seconds for it to be deleted on the first and a few minutes for it to be deleted on the second. So I am taking the liberty of posting it here, in case the powers-that-be over on TWC are observing this forum (as has been suggested). I hope I step on no toes in doing so.
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I have no doubt that this thread will be deleted within seconds of being posted and that I will be banished from this site soon afterwards. Indeed, I almost hope that this will happen, as such an action will simply prove my point. A 3rd person has informed me that I have been placed on the global ignore list, for reasons I cannot ascertain. I have never flamed any persons related to this site and, at worst, have politely disagreed with some of the actions various staff members have taken. At no point in time have I violated the ToS, nor been warned that my actions have done so. No matter: this message is not directed towards the community.
Horse Archer and Ogre, why do you fear the birth of a new TW fansite so? Anything associated with TotalWarHordes.net is automatically censored, as if the very name has acquired in odious conotation in the same manner that various 4-lettered words have. Members are banned for mentioning the new site. You have placed every member who has ever discussed the events of the last several days on a global ignore list, as if silencing them and erasing their posts is enough to erase your actions. A clever, if myopic, coup. Why are you so convinced that TW:H is a threat to TWC? Its (future) members have made no attempts to harm TWC through acts of cyber-vandalism or spam. Are you honestly so afraid that the formation of a more community-driven site to replace the one you have destroyed will effect your bottom-line? Is our competition really that worrisome? And if it is, if a mass exodus to another site really does result from your actions, then why have you insisted on using your heavy-handed ways to change TWC when it so obviously does not pander to the community-at-large, the very people who have made TWC so popular? If you truly are a businessman first, why have you insisted on depriving your customers of exactly that which they request?
Hopefully some sort of explanation will be proffered as to why you fear the creation of a new website so greatly, rather than hiding behind your virtual wall, retroactively changing the ToS to quash any and all statements that are not completely in adherence with the "party line," so to speak. If nothing else, it would help make this parting more amiable.
Regards,
Manstein16
wow, a thread that is still alive and even Archer cared to answer...
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=79820
/C22.
I nearly fell of my chair while reading this thread (have a close look at OTZ´s atavar): TWC Associations
could be deleted soon, so hurry ~D
Edit: Argh, Calle22 beat me to it...
Very well written Manstein, a pitty that it will not reach to a broader public at the TWC... /C22.
Seems twcenter.net is dead.
With leaders like TosaInu and Ser Clergane, this will never happen.I hope.
its gone...Quote:
I nearly fell of my chair while reading this thread (have a close look at OTZ´s atavar): TWC Associations
could be deleted soon, so hurry
I can see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigfooted
O.k. now my post in OTZ:s thread was deleted where I asked Archer why "someone" at the TWC has redirected totalwarhorde.com to TWC. I mean it doesn´t suprise me that I was deleted, but I´m sure that (my speculation) a lot of people, including the leading figures at TWC knows about the redirection, more than they want to admit. So very Machaiavelli... /C22.
From the aforementioned thread:
:dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Manstein16
Several mods not found on TWC may be found at totalwarhordes.net.
Horse Archer: Which can be fine and can be linked once people give up raising hell here.
so why ban anyone talking about it even if they dont give the adress the post is deleted! pathetic i have nothing but contempt for the whole lot of them especially the new moderators that took this chance to get some power at the exspence of people who actually know things
Thats hilarious, they´ve spent half of the day deleting any traces of totalwarhorde.net from their forums and now archer responded several times to a guy with a big fat totalwarhorde sign as his atavar. :stunned:
Nice, just got a caution point for promoting the Org :laugh4:
Hm, I think I wasn't agressive enough :whip:
[edit] lol, banned until 20 July 2007
This whole situation is so baffling. I'm a member of several boards that have had the occasional political meltdown (adultswim.com, theforce.net, etc), but the thermonuclear fury on TWC (talk about total war!) is just weird.
What is up with ON's lunatic binge? I mean, if they want to change the site's format, that's fine...it's their website, they can do whatever they want to it. But this ironfisted, crypto-fascist whack-a-mole nonsense seems intentionally designed to disrespect and annoy their own customers! Where'd these guys study business administration? In clown college?
And Horsearcher's little Benedict Arnold move is weird too. I've dealt with Archer several times, and he's never been anything other than helpful and polite with me. I always thought him to be a friendly and even-keeled chap. These cybercommunist antics seem totally out of character for him.
It's just too weird. I can't get past the feeling that this whole fiasco is some kind of hoax, or a very unfunny joke.
It's too bad, I really liked that site. Oh well, viva la org!
Man, youa re a genious
:grin2:
haha thats good, i think ill make that my sigg haha:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnissiah
yep, I agree BB, it´s indeed hilarious...I think they will get tired soon at this witch hunt, chasing around, cencoring everybody who aint agreeing with their methods. /C22.
Wow, immortalized on my first post! Whoop whoop!Quote:
Originally Posted by antiochus epiphanes
:bow:
:laugh4: you´re retoric genious Omnissiah, lol, glad I´m not on your list of "Most hated people"... /C22.
i like the "whack a mole" comment best hehe
A new thread from Sim:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=79835
/C22.
erm little helpe for the banned ones please :dizzy2: just give me the gist of it
Sim is asking us to calm down and don't break the ToS by spamming the TWC.Quote:
Originally Posted by spirit_of_rob
I note that Gaius Baltar has decided to make some insinuations about our new site. There will be no charge levied on the members.
I didnt they still banned meQuote:
Originally Posted by TB666
I misunderstood GB's post - at least I hope I did. I have PMed a moderator to remove it.Quote:
Originally Posted by imb39
That's because ON thinks you are a threat to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by spirit_of_rob
And I think you should take that a compliment :2thumbsup:
banned for posting a link to the org?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy1991
They've really lost the plot....
wow, that´s to bad Roy:whip: Apparantly you were to aggresive :yes: /C22.
I have one question:
What are the possible motives for the owners and the current staff of the center for behaving like they do actually?
I mean- in a buissiness-way.
if they want to have a new site, isnt it much easier just to build a new?
Or is this too expensive?
When I read a story like good vs. evil, it always bores me when the evil ones dont have any plausible motives exept from "being evil, since I am the evil one".
What sense could be in working like that? What is the personal gain valued in money?
Maybe I am a little bit stupid or unexperienced, but could please anybody who sees any weird logic in it try to explain that.
I asked about the commercial aspect of Gaius Baltar´s comments regarding having links in the sig:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...t=79820&page=2
Meanwhile I reccived a PM from Archer exploring my IP under different nicknames, well, it´s not a problem for me to change IP several times per minut If I want to, but why in the h**l would I do that!? just for asking things at the forum?? I havn´t broke any rules christ... /C22.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigfooted
That's what I got the warning point for.
Archer then deleted that post.
I posted again, and apparently I used too much of those guillotine emoticons :laugh4: --> ban
It´s all about branding...An unknown site has a low value, but a site like TWC have a high value since it has a lot of visitors, no hard work for establishing the site at a target group = easier marketing = easy way of earning money...so... /C22.Quote:
Originally Posted by green tea
A new/old moderator is back:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=79854
/C22.
O.k. regarding the link in my former post: some individuals in this "game" has to be mentally sick...and it´s not me...:thumbsdown: /C22.
But it seems as TWC has been sold to the community, since imb is a new site admin. But I´m not sure just yet...Let us hope so! /C22.
It Is True.
The Coummunty will own Twcenter from now on.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ogre
I would like to thank the ORG for hosting this thread/section while the mess at TWC occured. Many Thanks! /C22. :2thumbsup:
So that's what they wanted, to sell it.
Makes sense. Clever, that. Goes wild, forces the community to buy it "back" somehow. Because the community is attached, someone among them will offer considerable price for a simple domain name to retain the existing order.
Though I've got to admit there might be repercussions involving negative word-of-mouth about Orge's Net from now on. And negative word-of-mouth in the geek circles is quite powerful...
:book:
On a more serious note:
One thing I hope folks catch on to while here is that while the org doesn't have the type of poster/participant-led forum that some TWC refugees are desirous of (and should absolutely be able to set up if they have the funding and want to do it), is that it really is absolutely terrific for hosting mod development. I say this as an EB member for a couple of years now - we have the most complex and largest mod ever developed for the TW series, and if we've been very happy with it, I think it could work for almost anybody else too. With search engine functions a lot better now too than they were a year ago, our abilities to do pretty much whatever we want here, with no interference (nay, with help!) from the org staff. The only thing we still would like are larger inboxes for regular members (compared to twc they are quite small), but this is has not really limited us that much. It may not be exactly what you are looking for, but if you are looking for a place to develop your mod, this is the perfect spot. It might be *too* peaceful for some folks actually, but it has been wonderful for us - good traffic, no unsettling coups to potentially throw a wrench into development, and really a bunch of very friendly folks overall. A new place for TWC curiaphiles to engage each other will be great I think, but you won't find a place better to develop a mod, IMHO. Keep both in your bookmarks and visit often. :2thumbsup:
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edit: Hadn't read of the news of the sale when I posted this. Best of luck to the new owners, and if it's true I'll still keep visiting both frequently, but I do believe, as this upheaval has shown, that the stableness here has proven it to be an ideal place for mod development.
Actually the sale has been in the pipe work for some time, though events ensured a completion.Quote:
Originally Posted by AntiochusIII
I want to extend my appreciation to the Org for their tolerating of our problems spilling into their domain.
I also want to thank Ogre for working with us in resotring the site. Lots of work is needed.
I would also like to thank many who helped in so many different ways with me directly. I wont mention names atm, but a list will be prepared!
Of course, I am also mindful of the great work the Community put in in helping for this transiotn to take place. Despite adversity being forced upon it, it responded. Admittedly excesses were made, but many were restrained. That was great to see.
Now we need to move into a healing phase. It will be very easy to keep animosity going etc but at the end of the day the site needed monitoring. I applaud them that they were prepared to do this in the teeth of a hostile community. No one should berate them, either publicly or privately. It will be looked on very sternly by me as it is quite unnecesaary and contrary to the values that we have.
I amn quite tired now. Emotional too. It is currently 5:30am and a long, difficult and fantastic day draws to an end. See you all in a couple of hours...
:help: