Well, the House of Franconia would be delighted in helping you out. Not implying that the house of Austria needs any help, of course, but it had to be said. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by ArchdukeEvan
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Well, the House of Franconia would be delighted in helping you out. Not implying that the house of Austria needs any help, of course, but it had to be said. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by ArchdukeEvan
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yes well i see... that would be a matter to bring up with someone of more authority i the house... lol... of course if you wish to help then by all means... do so... :laugh4:Quote:
Well, the House of Franconia would be delighted in helping you out. Not implying that the house of Austria needs any help, of course, but it had to be said.
I'm officially back from my vacation and ready to serve again. I'll take a look at the most recent save and see if I can chip in for at least the last part of the Diet session.
A quick thought about avatar assignments, we might want to reconsider assigning new avatars along family tree lines. The way adoption works, from what I've seen, is the eldest son accumulates adoptees to the limit, then it moves on to the second eldest son, in this case Dietrich, and it might eventually move on to Leopold. This still leaves Austria and especially Bavaria at a disadvantage, at the moment, for avatar slots.
Should we do anything about this? Or grin and bear it?
Welcome back dlain....sorry OverKnight is just not working for me as a name for you :laugh4:
The avatar assignment is as you have explained. It seems a little unfair but I can live with it.
I don't mean to be rude but your in game situation is "up a creek without a paddle", I hope things turn out ok!!
How was the holiday?
Er... I just went to download the latest save game and update the library and it seems that the game is at 1130AD, which is 5 turns into the Chancellorship. Shouldn't the mid-term session have been at 1140AD, 10 turns in? Are we going to have 3 interim sessions for this Chancellorship or is it a 10 turn Chancellorship?
I guess that should put Duke Leopold out of the game for the duration of my skiing vacation next week! :2thumbsup:
While most of the reasons I'm pushing for an allocation of settlements for Austria are indeed IC, I do have some OOC reasons too, and must say that I as a player am also a little unhappy with the recent events.
It is a matter of personal taste for me, that I just don't like this rigid allocation of settlements via North, East, South and West. I would prefer it much more if the territories of the Dukes were at least a little bit more scattered. The neatness of it all just drives me up the walls. :yes:
You also have to consider OOC as well as IC that the Italian lands are far richer and popolous than most other lands surrounding the HRE. They just plain generate more income and grow faster. It's only natural that the House of Austria wants its share of that rich cake. It's just a little frustrating that there's little I can do within the boundaries of the game to change that situation.
So just a little frustration venting here from me, before I go on vacation. Just think about it and tell me what you think. Maybe I'll see it more relaxed once I had my time-out. And of course this should not be taken personal by any of you. It's just a game after all and I'm stating a complaint I have about the game. Nothing more. :beam:
I had planned Ignoramus would do a 10 turn stint as Chancellor. He called a mid-term session and given the requests for an emergency session, it seemed appropriate. We might review whether we need mid-terms for 10 turn Chancellorships but this time round quite a lot is going on that we can discuss.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I know it puts more of a burden on the library, but we can update it just every full session if you like. Everyone should be able to download the saves and check things out for themselves.
The time updating the library isn't really my concern so much as consistency and graphics overload. I would like to keep the Bio info, map history, etc. on a consistent 10 turn period. That way it's logical to read over. Plus, the Bios will get REALLY long if I start doing 5 turn updates. So, I'll skip those and do a general status update of the world map and other temporary things which don't remain in the Library long-term. I will also make a list of the influence bonuses from stats for the purposes of voting and post that in here to save time.
Maybe I am being too reductive, but I think the allocation of settlements only really matters when we have enough Counts to govern them (and get the bonus vote for doing so). The wealth of provinces is an IC consideration, IMO, as it doesn't really affect the House.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ituralde
Prinz Henry has said he won't be bound by the geographic neatness, but Kaiser Heinrich has made an oath that he will. Pushing him into a corner on that is probably unhelpful.
The Emperor in this respect is more like a referee than a player. You can protest his decision, but co-operating and trying to play the game is likely to be more productive. I kind of see him acting as a sort of King Lear, with the Dukes as his daughters. "Nothing will come of nothing."Quote:
It's just a little frustrating that there's little I can do within the boundaries of the game to change that situation.
Avatar assignment is much more of a concern to me than settlement assignment. Managing a build queue is so much less important than having an avatar to call your own. What can we do? I want to keep the family tree line = House assignment. Perhaps the Chancellor should decline any further Franconian adoptions for a while?Quote:
Originally Posted by Overknight
Where do we vote on the Edicts?
Hi Bizzair! Econ21 will put up the polls here in throne room,once the time comes.:yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bizzair
Here are the 1130AD influence bonuses from stats:
Fredericus von Hamburg - 0
Jonas von Mahren - 1 (loyalty)
Dietrich von Saxony - 2 (general points + loyalty)
Gunther von Kastilien - 0
Maximillian Mandorf - 1 (piety)
Leopold - 0
Sigismund der Stoltze - 2 (general points + loyalty)
Hnery - 0
Heinrich - 4 authority
Otto von Kassel - 0
Also, from looking at the battle reports, it looks like there are some battles which I cant find stats from. Can those be posted so I can update the avatars' battle stats?
For me provinces are only an IC thing and until there are avatars then not an issue at all.
I'm more interested in determining if dlain's idea about character allocation is true...if it is then we better adopt as many as possible to fill up the remaining slots so the next house can get some.
That or Leopold needs to start having son's!! :)
Wow, I look away for a day, and all sorts of discussions crop up.
Well, let's see what I can add:
1: Avatars and absent players: I agree with whoever said above that we should just autocalc those battles. Sure, it sucks for those of us who don't have an avatar, but it's an excellent opportunity to introduce a few losses into our track record. Otherwise we'll be able to keep going forever, always pushing the other factions and basically being able to hold our own with a general and 8 wounded peasants... ;)
2: Settlement allocation: How about the fairly simple system that the conquerer's house gets the faction? If, for some reason, the Diet sent a Franconian to take Venice, Venice would belong to Franconia by default (Of course, the houses may be able to trade internally, or it might be simpler for Franconia to just give it away to one of the other houses) It would at least get rid of the "perfect organization" with Franconian 100% north, Swabia 100% west and so on. It would also be a bit more unpredictable because obviously, coincidence and "whoever is nearest and has a few troops with him" will generally determine who gets to conquer the settlement.
3: Diet votes and influence: Two (two and a half) thoughts here. First, the current system seems overly complicated for no real benefit. Second, there's no real reason in the voting system for houses to stick together internally.
And finally (the half thought) I'm aware that I haven't yet voted and are ranked pretty much at the bottom, so I just "don't get it" ;)
So how about a system that simply allocates votes to a house as a whole based on how much land it owns? (If Austria has 5 regions, they get 5 votes by default), which they (or maybe their Duke) can decide how to allocate (could be evenly split between the players, so if there are 4 austrian players, they'd get 1.25 votes each), or they could be distributed based on rank or something. A few extra votes could be allocated based on rank as well, but I'd try to keep that simple. Of course, emperor, chansellor, dukes, counts would probably get one or two extra votes)
Could be a way to both force the houses to act more as a common entity that at least sticks together internally, and it would fuel the competition between houses (If we can invent an excuse to take a few Polish settlements before Austria gets there, it means more power and more votes to Franconia. A temporary deafness to the chansellor's commands might just be worthwhile for the power-hungry duke then ;))
And as an aside, am I the only one who wish civil war and rebellion like in the original MTW was possible? That would have been great fun :)
Edit: Oops, apparently I can't count... Also yay, I can edit! :)
All players should now be full members. It would be good if you set your title to be your kotr name, e.g. "5th elector of Austria" or whatever. That way it is easy to address you appropriately in the Diet. To do that, go to the "User CP" option on the top right of your Org screen, then choose "edit profile" and put your title in the "custom user title" entry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jalf
You should also be able to pick M2TW portraits (avatars), which will be particularly useful when you get allocated an in-character general and can pick his portrait.
so uh... sry about breaking the "charter" there earlier... i was realy into the role playing there and completly forgot about it...
Voting....
In the end guy's it must be simple. There is going to be a million options available and a million ideas had...but we need to decide and then keep it in place for consistency sake.
Maybe we should have a vote on the voting system?:inquisitive: :wall:
concerning voting... how does one cast a vote?... is it a Yes/No thing in a seprate thread or is it in the Diet itself? do you go through your Duke?... or what? ~:confused:
econ will post a poll (in a separate thread) with all the seconded motions on it. You simply check the box marking "yes" or "no" for each motion.
Just to say the Steward of Franconia, Fredericus von Hamburg (FLYdude), has made Gunther von Kastilien (Dutch_guy), Count of Stettin.
I'm off for the next week! Skiing!
See you next Saturday, don't get excommunicated! :beam:
AussieGiant will fight defensive battles for me, and I guess Leopold won't be up for anything else in the future.
Cheers!
Ituralde
Have fun! We'll try to have Austria in one piece for you when you get back.
Reporting for "stand-in" duty sir!! :)
I'm sure there will be something left to govern once you are back :)
@bizzair
thanks for pointing out my mistake...it was actually a typo..i meant to have said would support provided blah blah blah...which makes more sense..i read it over but never caught it.
lol np.. Im not actually angry at you, I was just playing the Character :)
i know lol :beam: :beam:
I have a couple of questions regarding edicts.
First, since this is a mid-term Diet, are edicts passed in the third Diet still in effect?
Second, if the above is true, if an edict passes in this Diet what would occur if it conflicts with an edict passed in the last Diet? I'm thinking of the following edicts:
Edict 3.8: Milan is to be crushed by an offensive campaign, one that does not wait for Papal opinion or any other outside factor to strike. Kaiser Heinrich is to have a major role in this campaign.
Edict 4.1: The Empire will refrain from any action against Milan that will violate the Pope's order and risk excommunication.
Would the one that receives the greatest percentage of the vote take precedence (might be tough to judge since we'll have a different amount of voters), or does the latest take precedence?
What do our venerable elders say?
I'm assuming that the latter edict takes precedence.
In any case, I have final say on the matter and the Kaiser's opinion is that we hold back for now. Milan has been crippled, and the circumstances have changed.
No, I think the idea was that edicts only last for the period until the next Diet. That way we don't have to remember too much stuff. I am not sure we are going to have a Diet every 5 turns though - it seems excessive. To be honest, until TinCow pointed it out, I thought Ignoramus had done 10 turns. But given how much has happened in the last 5 turns and the influx of new players, a mid-term was timely.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
This is a memo item for myself - bonus votes:
Stats bonus + extras for rank
Fredericus von Hamburg (FLYdude)- 0 + 2 (Steward) = 2
Jonas von Mahren (?) - 1 (loyalty) = 1
Dietrich von Saxony (Lucjan)- 2 (general points + loyalty) + 2 (Duke) = 4
Gunther von Kastilien (Dutch_guy - 0 + 1 (Count) =1
Maximillian Mandorf (TinCow) - 1 (piety) + 2 (Steward) = 3
Leopold (Ituralde)- 0 + 2 (Duke) = 2
Sigismund der Stoltze (Ignoramus) - 2 (general points + loyalty) + 2 (Count, Chancellor) = 4
Henry (econ21- 0 + 3 (Duke, Prince) = 3
Heinrich (GH)- 4 authority = 4
Otto von Kassel (Overknight)- 0 + 1 (Count) = 1
TinCow: I'll put up all the battle results of my term so far. There has only been one major victory(ironically, there were no casaulties on either side).
I'm sorry about my absence yesterday. I'm not online on Sundays.
It looks like Lucjan and Zomby_woof are not going to vote, so I am taking them off the play list for now. They are welcome to re-join whenever they like. But this means that Jalf is assigned Jonas von Mahren as his avatar.
I also think the time is right to re-assign Dietrich. I know Lucjan invested a lot of time role-playing him, but from private communication, he does not seem over-enamoured of the avatar. Moreover, with so many new players without avatars and a war with Poland, I can't justify keeping Dietrich without an active assignment. So I am going to assign Dietrich to another player. Any takers?
Bear in mind that Dietrich is a Duke (FLYdude will cease to be a Steward of Franconia if Dietrich becomes active) and can assign Counts. (Jalf - this is part of the glue that holds Houses together - a Duke can give and take away settlements to players; only his eldest natural born son cannot be dispossessed). Dietrich also has some complex backstory that it would be good to continue - he is extremely loyal to the Empire, but has a feud with the Emperor; he is secretly of Polish descent and sympathetic to them, but stands in the path of a Polish invasion. :dizzy: It will be quite a challenge to take him on and ideally I would like a player who can make a substantial long term commitment. This offer is open to players in all Houses - forget your current role and start a fresh. I will hold the offer open for 24 hours and then make a decision among any contenders.
BTW, Franconia now has no avatarless players. I propose that the Chancellor not accept any adoptions or son-in-laws in this House until that situation changes. I don't want one House to suck up all the generals if we can avoid it - it will ruin the delicate internal balance of the Empire we are trying to maintain.
Interesting, I wondered what Dietrich's "secret background" was.
Anyway, I will refuse futher Franconian generals, but it is alarming that we aren't getting any others.
I agree that Dietrich needs to be reassigned. It's a shame about Lucjan, but it has to be done. We can't afford to have an inactive Duke.
I agree that even Mid-tyerm Diet sessions should overrule any other edicts from pervious diet session. If we don't do that we will all have dizzy heads trying to keep up.
That's a little unfortuntate about Lucjan, but Ignoramus is right, we can't have an inactive Duke.
On the avatar side, things do seem a little out of whack. I hope the refusal of new avatars by Franconia will trickle over to the other Houses.
Well, if Franconia keep spawning new generals, we could always orchestrate an internal split in Franconia, and create a new house out of half the Franconians. ;)
Shouldn't be too hard to come up with an IC reason for such a divide... There are plenty of personal conflicts in the empire to pick from ;)
Hell, Dietrich himself is probably controversial enough that he could be the cause (half the Franconians continue to follow him, the other half is more pro-Kaiser)
(I'm not suggesting we do anything like that now, just that in the long term, if this is where generals keep popping up, a solution could be to just divide the house into two)
About taking over Dietrich (yeah, I know I just got another avatar), I'd better pass. Would definitely be a fun character to play, but I'm not sure I'm up to the task (I definitely plan to stick around for the long term, but I'm going to be pretty busy throughout March, so might be a bad idea to play such a high-profile character just now)
Oh, Jonas is adopted by Dietrich, right? Don't have the game installed at work, so can't check for myself, and the family tree in the library doesn't seem to be updated yet.
Would be nice to know my background ;)
By the way, I plan to make Jonas a distinct character and ditch the ole' fifth elector... ;)
He was much too angry and impatient to make it big in the world... And I figure a guy called Jonas sounds like he'd have a slightly brighter outlook and a sense of humour :)
(And according to his stats, he's much more religious than the Elector, but I have still to figure out what I'm going to make of that... Could be a closet Pope-follower, maybe? ;))
One complication for the Franconians is the requirement that a knight earn his spurs - to command an army, a general must first be a knight. To be a knight, a general must first distinguish himself in battle. Dietrich is an army commander, so he could take along some of the other Franconian generals to get the required experience against the Poles. Or they could see action in another front. But they can't command in battle from the word go.
I thought edicts lasted until the end of the Chancellorship, not just until the next Diet session. A lot of the Edicts that Heinrich had to fulfill couldn't possibly have been achieved in 10 turns. I know that in WOTS, motions were originally permanent until completed or nullified. We then changed the system so that they ceased to be effective after a new election. When did we change the KOTR rules to make it even shorter?
TC!!
Bloody Brilliant story. Do you write in any capacity other than recreation?
We should stick with the avatar advancement process Econ outlines.
We should at least have some restrictions. Dietrich better take a few young lads and send em head first into a few Polish companies pronto!!
If he doesn't he is going to have the most powerful cavalry assembled in the entire world.
Well, I write for a living... but it's soulless legal writing that would make my 9th grade English teacher's head explode. Someday I plan on writing non-fiction though.
The hillarious thing about that story is that I had started to write a completely different one. Let's just say it dealt with Otterbach's promotion to Cardinal in a rather more vulgar fashion. However, when I saw the Hildegard retinue figure and looked her up, I realized there was absolutely no way to do that and justify having her as a 'follower,' so I started over from scratch. It's pretty ironic that Max picked up a proponent of chastity, but it'll make for interesting character development.
Good story, TC. The thought that Maximillian is truly set on the path of righteousness, as he sees it, makes him more terrifying than when he was a lecher with religious delusions.
As for edicts here's the relevant stuff I dug out of the FAQ:
3.1. The Imperial Diet will meet in session every 10 turns. Out of session, there can be open debate and deliberations. Each session lasts 3 days of real time.
3.6. Edicts can only last for 10 turns.
3.9. The Imperial Diet is presided over by the character controlling the Emperor. His rulings are final. The Prince can preside in the absence of the Emperor. The Emperor can call an emergency session of the Imperial Diet - freeze the game - at will.
So did we call an emergency session? If we did, do the edicts passed supplant those voted in 5 turns ago? I can understand why we had a Diet session, new players and Papal issues, but I'm looking for some clarification of the rules.
Also something else in the FAQ, under game settings:
Standard victory conditions (45 provinces, including Jerusalem).
As we've discussed, we actually have to take Rome not Jerusalem, I just don't want to confuse the new players.
And since I'm nitpicking anyway :laugh4: I think Otto won a major victory at Bern, more than 7+ units. I think Ignoramus brought it up and it was discussed but the table was never updated. No worries, just thought I mention it.
Edit: Ignoramus, when you mentioned generals with loyalty issues in the Diet, was that an IC way of addressing the fact that Dietrich doesn't have a player at the moment and it wouldn't be wise to use him in combat? It looks like the comment may have caused some unintended offense to some of our electors. :whip:
Thanks, I've now corrected theJerusalemRome objective. On the last Diet, as I said, I goofed - I thought we were 10 turns in until Tincow spotted it (he also spotted the Rome not Jerusalem point). I think we should just let the 3rd Diet edicts lapse, as GH said, but from this point on stick to 10 turn Diets. If we also stick to 10 turn Chancellorships, as I think might be safest, there should not be a problem.
On the 7 unit victories, we do need to keep track of these. Only the army commanders and the Chancellor are privy to this, so they need to tell me so I can put it in the Playlist table - so far, I am assuming I should assign one each to Otto and Sigismund.
Bah, you don't get to rule a major medieval nation without being a bit of a bastard... :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
So econ if I'm understanding correctly. . .
Ignoramus plays five more turns (10 years). His term is over. We proceed into the next Diet for elections and new edicts. After that we won't have a Diet for 10 turns (20 years).
Correct?
Edit: That's true Jalf, but if you're going to be a bastard it should be intentional. :laugh4:
Which basically makes it impossible for FLYdude and myself to command an army, since Lucjan has left this PBM for a while. Meaning all the battles with his avatar, FLYdude's and mine, are to be auto resolved. Not exactly the way I'd like to earn my spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
So there's no way around this then ?
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Well, Max is still in Nuremburg, which is pretty close to the action. He could be sent up and lead one battle with the Franconian avatars in his army, then pack up and head back south to leave the rest of the war to the northerners.
Or we could assume that since Fredericus (FLYdude) is a Steward that he's been knighted. I'm not sure if a squire would be appointed to such a high post.
It's a bit gimmicky but I'm not sure if anyone will want to fill Lucjan's big shoes as Dietrich. This would allow for the least disruption.
That sounds a bit forced, tbh... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
Alternatively, we could just make an exception from the rules. I mean, they're there to make the game fun. if they get in the way of that, why shouldn't we bend them a bit? ;)
If there are no knighted Franconian generals when Franconia gets invaded, it seems to me that the logical thing to do would be to improvise. The Diet could just find a few handy nobles (OOC: the ones who have un-knighted avatars), and give them temporary command over the northern garrisons.
They don't have to be made knights, but simply assigned as "acting generals" or some such temporary title. (and of course all you "proper" generals can whinge IC in the Diet about the impending doom as these unproven leaders of peasants will surely lose all the cities of the north ;))
IC, the story could simply be that the Diet/the Chancellor/the Kaiser doesn't trust the only knighted general of the North, so while the South is still in a turmoil and occupies the attention of the remaining generals, the local nobles in Franconia are ordered to try to organize a defense and hold the line until proper generals and troops can be sent to take over)
Then the acting generals get to fight the most urgent battles (city defenses, for example, while others may still be autoresolved), and once they've distinguished themselves, they can get the proper knighthood and become "real" generals.
To make it more plausible, they could be given command of peasant/militia troops only, since they (we) are unproven, and more skilled troops will only follow a proper knight. The remaining troops (if we even have any better troops in the north) could withdraw further into the country, maybe assembling in the capital.
Just tossing out some ideas to get the ball rolling. It'd be silly to have three players forced to autoresolve a bunch of battles because one player is missing.
lol... idk bout Dietrich... but some Austrians would be nice... :yes:
anyway... im REALLY busy this week with doing sound on the School play... and idk how much i can be here... i made my excuses in the Deit already... so have fun... and hopeful get me a general..:beam:
talk at ya later
I could command a battle with some of the Franconians. I command Dietrich until at least one of the other Franconians are knighted. Then there'll be not problem.
Sounds like a plan Ignoramus. Lets do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
Umm up for anything, I still have some learning to do with this game, but Im sure Im up for anything, I rather not be Dietrich as I am new, and don't know that much as it is, I will learn from experince and being corrected.
But I wanna fight some battles :D :furious3:
~:cheers:
Nobody wants to take on Dietrich? He looks to me like one of the best avatars, in terms of stats and traits. Plus he heads a House and has the highest influence. And not only do you get an avatar immediately, it sounds like you get a battle pretty soon too.
If no one takes him, I'm inclined to stick with rules which means going with TinCow's idea - let the House of Bavaria teach the young Franconians how to fight. Only problem is, based on the last time he did that, it will be "tough love" at best. :sweatdrop:
Yes, I think that's best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Overknight
Well I would love to take him, but as I stated, I am afraid to make a mistake, as I am still new I do not quite understand the whole shabang of the game,
If someone could outline to me what exactly are his objectives, and what his job entails I may take him if needed.
OK, Bizzair, we both posted at the same time. To be honest, I have not got a clue what Dietrich's motives are. I believe the most we had were some enigmatic stories:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...00&postcount=6
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...70&postcount=8
FLYdude surmised out of character that Dietrich secretly had a Polish merchant father and Lucjan intimated that this was not too wide of the mark. But you'd have to be careful role-playing this, as Dietrich's loyalty stat is sky high - he can't be a Polish spy or something.
What's involved in being a Duke is primarily making people Counts. When the Emperor gives you a settlement, you can give it to a member of your House and make them a Count, giving them +1 vote. You can also take it away unless they are your first-born son if they annoy you too much. You should try to use this power to keep your House in line and promote its interests. You will probably also want to help your people become knights - give them a chance to do great deeds in battle (screenshots required!), eg under your command, so they are eligible to command and eventually become Fieldmarshals with their own standing armies.
Well if others dont want poor Dietrich,i can take him as my character.:bow:Edit: Ofcourse Bizzair,you can have him if you want,sorry didnt read all the posts before posting my reply.
If we were to solve this strictly by the rules, then this is the best way to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Alternatively, Jalf's suggestions - while not strictly by the book - would probably fit best in the game, a bit of improvisation wouldn't hurt I'd say. Plus, the idea of a lowly nobleman saving the northern realm sounds quite promising.
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Well, it sounds like we have two players willing to take up Dietrich, so the problem of the three Franconian "squires" is solved.
I'll hold the offer of Dietrich open until tomorrow morning to provide the 24 hour window I mentioned. If we have more contenders, I'll find a way to choose one. If not, it looks like Dietrich is yours if you want him, Bizzair; otherwise, I will assign him to Kagemusha if you are having second thoughts.
I have to warn to whoever ends up with Dietrich is that you will have a serious role-playing crush for the time being - mainly the Kaiser (as well as, I believe, a good chunk of the Diet) will not take him seriously or even show hostility to him for a while.
Suits me just fine.He still has his own house to back him up. There should in my wiew be some drift between the North and South German Electorates anyway.If i get him il try to keep him as the character Lucjan created him.Altough i think he might have learned some lessons after his tour building watchtowers around the Reich.:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
KAgemusha, you can have him m8, I rather work my way to my own general, and earn my own stats etc so I can say thats me! :P
and I don't think I have the neccessary skills yet, not to role play the character, but to allocate provinces to knights, and counts etc and all the other stuff econ said :P so he's all your Kagemush! ~:cheers:
OK, Kagemusha: it's farewell, Third Elector of Swabia - long live, Duke Dietrich! I am glad you are taking this on - it's appropriate given your concern with the war with Poland in the last Diet and you've been reliably active with this PBM. I suggest you keep Frankfurt as your base and perhaps reward your Steward, Fredericus von Hamburg (FLYdude), by making him a Count of oh, I don't know where? ~;)
I am intrigued by Lucjan's story of Dietrich's Polish connection and conspiring. You don't have to continue it and it's not obvious how it could be resolved given Poland's declaring war on us and Dietrich's sky-high loyalty. One idea is that Dietrich was conspiring with Polish mercantile interests to bring the HRE and Poland closer together, but Polish warmongers have wrecked his plans. He may even be a kind of exile, who will now work to return home in position of power - perhaps extending the House of Franconia to cover a Grand Duchy of Poland. I have images of Lt Worf in Star Trek when he was caught up in civil war in the Klingon Empire or perhaps even Hitler & the Anschluss.
yeah, he's definitely an interesting character... I'm looking forward to finding out where he's been these past few years... (Exile? Forced or self-imposed? Scheming with his polish connections? Or just too busy building watchtowers? :D)
Depending on how you play it, he might also cause some dissent within the house Franconia. Some nobles there may be a bit upset that he forced a schism between Franconia and the Kaiser, or that he neglected the Diet and imperial politics for so long, leaving Franconia paralyzed...
Plenty of opportunities here... Should be fun :D
That said, I have a feeling Jonas is going to prove himself to be a hopeless optimist, so don't expect him to start any fights with the newly returned Duke... ;)
At least not yet. When he's earned a few scars, and some more characteristic traits, we'll see what happens... :D
In any case, good luck with it, Kagemusha. I have a feeling you'll fit the role nicely.
econ21 could you make a list of everyone who is active and what house they are in as well as if they have an avatar or not? I couldn't find anything like that in any threads.
Check out the first post of the Chancellor's and Governor's reports thread. Econ does a good job of keeping that current. Should be what you're looking for.
Thank you. I swore that I looked everywhere for something like that
I don't know what's more absurd, being besieged by one unit of crossbowmen, or having them assault me. :dizzy2:
I guess they can't all be glorious battles. :laugh4:
I know. I hate battles like this. They waste time. Anyway, after all this you better win.
Don't worry mein Chancellor, I'm planning on killing them all for daring to waste our time. :whip:
After the assault on Milan and now this I'm really beginning to hate those Pavise Crossbowmen. I can see why the Church tried to ban them.
They certainly make a fine mess of knights. Be careful, we don't want Otto going down with a crossbow bolt in his visor leading the charge.
But a charge with your knights would look rather good.
Good story Ignoramus, was that a cooperative with econ21 or your own creation? It gives an interesting view of the relationship between Sigismund and Henry.
I'm afraid I cannot recall any sort of backroom deal between Bavaria and Swabia. :sweatdrop:
It was a cooperative.
I know, I didn't want to presume, but I had to add some flavour to the story, didn't I?
Good story Ignoramus.
The back ground information is filling in nicely across the board for everyone.
I played my battle. Save is back up as kotr1134-2. After the battle during Poland's turn to move they attacked Dietrich von Saxony's army.
Looks like you get your baptism by fire Kagemusha, good luck. :2thumbsup:
I'm assuming Kag can play it without Ignoramus taking a look first? This might save some time.
Ignoramus I'll be PMing you a casualty report and I should have my battle report, such as it is, up soon.
Is the Diet session closed?
What are the results?
Check out the 4th Diet poll thread to see which edicts passed.
Ignore my post :wall:
hey dlain,
When the next patch comes out can we keep playing our saved games or do you have to start a new campaign?
Dumb question but I have to know.
The results are always posted in the Poll thread. That's where you can find them the soonest. I also post "in-effect" legislation in the first post of the Library. In reference to this, I have left several of the 3rd session edicts up there, basically the ones that have not been fulfilled, are contingent, or which are worded in such a way that they seem to still apply. Even if we go by the stated rules, which I disagree with, they state that Edicts last for 10 turns. Well... this was a 5 turn Diet session, so even by those rules the 3rd session Edicts still stand.
In the future, I really hope that we change that rule to say that Edicts last until the end of the Chancellor's term, unless the text of the Edict makes them longer or shorter. I'll propose that as an Amendment next session.
Yes - it's always good if we can speed up the exchange of savegames.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
I would assume the patch will be save friendly, the first one was.
However, our group will have to discuss when to implement the patch for KoTR because of game play issues, will 1.2 be compatible with medifix etc. I assume we'll want to take a wait and see approach to the patch before reaching a consensus.
Ok good to know OverKnight.
I can therefore keep playing my new game and not worry about having to start again.
I agree we need to see how 1.2 pans out once released.