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And that's with "limiting" expansion. Can you imagine what would happen without it?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Still, as long as the excommunication mechanism is in place and we choose to remain "one of the flock" I assume it will be fairly self regulating.
Overknight, you might want to reschedule Ulrich's battle if at all possible. Ignoramus does not usually log on over the weekend, so at best we will have a 2 day hiatus and at worst, an autoresolve if the deadline expires.
I think that if there should be limited expansion in Europe,that should apply to Middle East also.Europe shouldnt be a sideshow as many players concentrate on middle east.
I agree.
I for one have a diametrically differen view. Those who want to fight should go to the Levant, and if that means that nearly everybody will go there, well it has just become quite interesting for the sole remaining defenders of the Reich.
But we'll see how the next Diet turns out.
I'm surprised that I am the first one though commenting on the capture of Jerusalem. It has been a little quiet there of late. I am already looking forward to the Mongol Invasion, will put Leopolds speech in a whole new light. Who could stop us indeed... :2thumbsup:
Yeah, I thought about that after I sent him the battle. Still, there's not much left to do in 1198, other than that. As it is already early Sunday there, I'm sure he'll have an oppurtunity to get to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
Besides, this gives me more time to work on my farewell speech. . .
Well, I sent an inquiry to direct2drives support site asking about when the 1.2 patch will be available, here's what I got in reply:
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Originally Posted by A vague form letter
"Expeditiously" my ass.
As I suggested before, I think that the PBM should upgrade to 1.2 once the save goes to econ for his Chancellorship. I wouldn't want the other players to wait for a vague promise. I'll catch up when I can, if Otto gets involved in a battle, I'll buy a hardcopy. Though one of the reasons I left him in Acre was to avoid him doing so for the next few turns. Hopefully between that and the Diet session, I'll actually get a patch. Without a solid release date, however, I'm still playing it by ear.
Thanks OK - I agree that we should upgrade to 1.2 at the start of the next Diet.
Factionheir: do you have 1.2 working on your machine yet?
I have a question, we want Meckil, Leopold's daughter, to get married to provide a second Austrian avatar. What's the best way to ensure this happens? I would think refusing adoptions and marriages to other women in the family tree would increase the odds, but the family game mechanics still confound me.
Any thoughts?
Maybe you guys need to go on a small conquering spree with all the young avatars coming of age, the game might just decide that you have enough avatar as of the moment so no spawning a marriage?
I was afraid this could happen. Seems like Austria will be a one-man show for some more time. :thumbsdown:
Maybe. . .Meckil is of age, we just have to get her hitched. Another option is to use some of the surplus Avatars we currently have as loaners. . .not an ideal solution but a good stop gap. The avatarless Austrian electors could use them for battles and such, and they could even be moved to the Austrian front. Then they could move on to proper Austrian avatars when they become available.
I know there has been some resistance to this, but it's a decent way to get the Austrians besides Leopold involved in battles.
Marriage offers seem to be rare, or at least in this situation, my entire Chancellorship I don't think I've had any.
Well truth to be told, if there don't appear more Austrian character soon I'm gonna repropose some earlier thinking and try to get some other avatars to join the House. I had von Mahren's children in mind, considering that their father as at least once ruled over Prague, a Austrian settlement.
For now, I'm gonna sit tight though, but some fellow Austrian avatars would be nice. :2thumbsup:
econ:
Yes, I ended up getting it to work on my old machine. Finally got my new one today though and got that running too. No more camp map lag or siege lags even under high settings, night battle, rain and half the city burning :2thumbsup:
As for the family tree, the game tends to favor adoptions from left to right, so its likely most adoptions will end up under Hans or Henry's second son. Marriages will still happen relatively frequently as we have a female non princess in the tree as opposed to a bachelor general.
Good news about you and 1.2, factionheir. What should we do about the traits under 1.2? Are you going to have files we should use or do we stick with the vanilla game? We probably will be switching to 1.2 around next weekend, given how things look now.
On the Austrian avatars, when Chancellor, I will refuse adoptions and marriages except for Austrians. I would like us to take a few more settlements in Outremer other than just Adana and Acre, so maybe that will help as well.
I got version 1.23 for 1.02 already done and waiting for when you take over as chancellor. There have been no changes in the game files between 1.02 leaked and 1.02 official accroding to my compare program so most things will stay the same as they have been.
mmmm I'd love to join this PBM, but I have no clue what to do. I've read through the threads, but I think it's better you guys tell me what to do.Quote:
How to Join the Game
In order to join the game and get started, all you need to do is post in the current OOC thread that you would like to join and select one of the four Ducal Houses. You can then start participating in as much or as little detail as you wish. You will always be able to find the location of the relevant game threads in the second post of the Imperial Library.
Well, assuming you've got the game and are willing to play, you should join a house. Either, Franconia, Swabia, Austria or Bavaria. After having decided which house to join, an avatar will be assigned to you once there's one available. Then the Diet and inter house discussions will start in the earnest - if you even want to participate in them that is.
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Heh, just saw this. It was on materialism. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
Welcome, Stig!
Generally, Houses represent a geographic direction of the Empire. Franconia is north, Bavaria south, Swabia west, and Austria east. You should quickly get an avatar in any house you join aside from Austria.
Swabia and Franconia currently have unassigned avatars available, so they might be good choices. Personally, I would recommend Franconia, as they only have 3 active players at the moment. Plus, the Swabians have some recent 'baggage' that they haven't quite shaken off yet. The currently unassigned avatars are:
Ansehelm von Kastilien (Franconia)
Helmut von Hamburg (Fanconia)
Elberhard (Swabia)
I'd suggest taking Ansehelm, he's a bit lazy, but he has also managed to aquire all his father's good traits :wink:
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I'll go for Franconia then
Umm, can I join as well please?
As swabia if that is alright.
P.S. if you do let me join, where do I gwt the 1.2 patch
I looked on the offical mtw2 site, under downloads, but I coludn't see any patches or anything.
Thx
http://www.totalwar.com/Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharnakes
Under support MTW 2 update it has the links to the mirror sites just pick the one you prefer to use.
Welcome, Stig and Pharnakes - I'll sign you up with Ansehelm and Elberhard respectively (see Tincow's last post for details).
Please keep checking in on a daily basis - we will be having a Diet session sometime this week and that's when there is the most PBM activity in terms of speeches, votes etc.
Feel free to speak in character in the Diet, in the relevant House thread and in PMs to other players; there's also a stories thread if you want to create a backstory for your role.
Your first priority should probably be getting your character involved in a battle under the command of another player so he can be knighted and thus eligible for an independent command.
I think that is what I have notice in other SP games. I skipped ahead the last save just to see what would come up and the first proposal went to the first princess on the left of the tree. The irony was the proposed general surname von Austria. I know it's all random from the save but thought I would share that as I wait... may have to look at other options from the Chancellor if something doesn't develop.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
48 hours have passed since Ignoramus was notified that he had a battle to fight. If I have not received a completed battle and an uploaded save by the time I get home (approx 1200 GMT, ~7 hours from this post) I will auto-resolve the battle and proceed into the next year so that we may start the Diet session.
Sorry about the long delay, guys.
The battle has been fought, and Ulrich was victorious. I will upload the save now.
I see that the new save has been uploaded. Thanks Ignoramus, :2thumbsup: , do you have a casualty report for me?
Once I'm home from work (~6 hours) I will take the save and finish up my term.
The battle was actually quite fierce. Ulrich lost 350 men. The Egyptians were atop a hill and charged me, which was quite nasty. I lost an entire unit of Armoured Sergeants.
Ouch, I was thinking of having you proceed to the ford to Aleppo to hold it against the Egyptians, but I might have you fall back on the main army coming up from Acre.
You might want to consider that if Maximillian Mandorf dies, then any assault on Adana would have to be autocalculated, and considering that Antioch blocks the way...
An interesting observation, but I'm sure God will look out for Max. . .:laugh4:
We all thought Dietrich was gonna kick it after Nicaea, but he lasted until the Levant.
Even if the Egyptians besiege Adana, we'll have some time to relieve it. We also have a fleet available to ferry 6 units at a time to bypass Antioch. It's not ideal but I don't want to spread out our forces too much. Local reinforcements are in short supply and the Reich is a long way away.
Hi, i downloaded and installed the update, but when I try to run the game it ctds halfway through loading.
I stuck -show_err on the end of the traget, and now when I try the game it closes instantly, with the error medieval II suffered a fatal error and wil now exit.
Anyone got any idea why this might be?
thx.
Uninstall the game, install again and don't update to 1.1, directly install 1.2
Right I've looked at the current save (which was strange as I have an unmodded 1.2 version). But I must say it's interesting.
Tho could someone please update the opening post of the Duchy of Franconia thread ... might help me getting into the game
Consider it done.:yes:
ah thanks m8Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
that clears things up
I learned a lot of this the hard way, so follow each instruction carefully below.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharnakes
1. Uninstall M2TW
2. Delete M2TW folder and all subfolders
3. Delete any registry entry that contains "medieval" or "sega"
4. Delete all files in your temp folder and your Windows/prefetch folder
5. Reboot
6. Install M2TW in a folder that is NOT the default folder
7. Delete the temp folder contents and reboot
8. Install patch 1.02 making sure you have at least 4 GB free on your hard drive, more (5-6GB), if your temp folder is on the same drive as your M2TW installation folder.
9. Reboot
10. Install latest version of KOTRfix
11. Start M2TW. It should work.
12. If it does not, unpack the character_traits file and make sure its a 1.02 version and not a 1.01 or 1.00 version (check for presence of the GoodSaboteur trait) If that's not present, repeat all steps above but make even more hard drive space. Its unlikely, but the only way really. If still not working, post again.
Just to clarify: the returning Constantinople to Byzantium idea is for largely for fun, rather than to benefit the Reich. If we want this game to spin out until we get to America, as I do, then we need to set the Reich "glorious achievement" type goals. If we just think in terms of conquest, it will be over too quick while simply defending our borders may be a little dull (Mongols & Timurids aside). Feel free to conjure up some "glorious achievements" in character.
If it is done, please could you upload it? I'll update the FAQ so everyone can install it onto the patched 1.2 game.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
EDIT: I am not up to speed on the current status of the Household Armies. Please could the 4 Dukes/Stewards tell me who will be commanding their Household Army in the next 10 turns and make sure it has standing orders in the Chancellor and Governor's thread? Cheers.
I haven't heard from ArchdukeEvan since the last Diet session. If you're reading this please let me know of your status. For now, I'm gonna put you down with the inactive Austrian players.
KOTRfix 1.23 can now be found at:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/KOTRfix123.rar
Btw, let me know when we eventually get Forlorn Hope units if you want them to have the 2 hp they ought to have.
Btw, you guys intends to snuff out that iman just outside of Acre after you defeated that Egyptian army nearby right? Or are you going to assassinate him?
I was thinking of that when I loaded up the save. Can't encircle him with that egyptian army nearby as he'd just get moved into it or bumped behind it. Will have to wait for a while. He's 54 though, so won't last too long.
It looks frightening around Antioch.
Oh, and when we switch over to 1.2, do we still use Medifix?
The Library is mostly updated. The only things left are the Family Tree section and the various titles. I may or may not get to those tonight.
[edit] OK, basic family tree and kids info stuff is done. Only title left. Interesting to note, we have FIVE daughters waiting for marriage and SEVEN TO NINE males will come of age during the next term.
Well if any charcters hits the bucket, then at least they get straight back into the game!
I am gonna take the AP Chem test in like 2 hours and its my last one so i will be more active afterwards
Good luck, Xdeathfire.
It looks like you'll be the new Duke of Swabia, so you'll be busier now.
We have switched over to 1.2 and we are using kotrfix1.3; see the updated FAQ for the link.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
As a heads-up, I will be on vacation from May 19th to the 26th. During this time I will probably not be logging on to the forums and will definitely not be able to fight any battles. If Max is still alive and gets into a battle, please autoresolve him. I don't mind at all if he dies in battle, he's an old geezer anyway.
Well, I am finished with my exam and from the looks of it, alot has happened and it will take me a while to catch up on stuff.
My latest finger painting project:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Purple = Swabia
Green = Franconia
Blue = Austria
Red = Bavaria
Edit: Bavaria is starting to look like a Gerrymandered congressional district. :laugh4:
The Fightin' Bavaria!
https://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h...92/colbert.jpg
LOL
Ah yes the 3rd installment of the 4 part "Better know a Duchy" series.
Tell me Duke Otto, Kaiser Henry, great Emperor or the greatest Emperor?
Econ, who were you referring to as Lord Manfred??? You are confusing me here... :P I didn't know we had a Manfred.
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Originally Posted by StoneCold
Sorry, I just know him as Max.
People have been calling Max "Manfred" for a long time now, easily a month or two. I have no idea where it came from and assumed it was some Germanic nickname.
Swabia needs more land, but I sympathize with econ, if mersaille was given to Swabia, Bavaria would only have a sliver of a boarder with Sicily, the rest would HRE.
Any Swabian electors out there, Propose some anti-french legislation and I'll support it.
Bare in mind that we are under a Papal mission not to attack the French (for 7 turns, IIRC). If we do want to attack an enemy Catholic power, a "judo" type defence is usually the best way to go about it - use the enemy's strength against them and let them get excommunicated before going onto the offensive. That's how we took down Milan and Venice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuperman
xdeathfire should note that he can set a standing order for the Swabian household army to conquer one neighbouring province this Diet. I'll maneouvre so as to be able to accomplish that after the Papal mission expires (or earlier if France gets itself excomm'd). Rheims seems the most defensible target for Swabia and is also very close to Paris.
The Swabians (and anyone else for that matter) can also propose edicts that specifically require the conquest of certain provinces. No one should complain about their lack of land if they don't push for more in the Diet.
I'd say if we are to expand on our western border at all, it ought to be to take Toulouse. Its a Citadel and will significantly weaken the French and allow us to train our high end troops.
I don't think you want to weaken the French... what's the fun of it if they just throw in basic forces... soon swabian will be complaining of boring fights over and over again against the same basic troops :P
They do have Angers and Bordeaux though, and something in Spain from an OOC perspective to throw things at us, especially as Toulouse borders all those regions, giving us more interesting fights.
From an IC perspective, any Duchy would want to expand and consolidate its borders. I think Swabia borders mainly with cities to the French border instead of castles, which makes it vulnerable. Besides, this way the Bavarians can focus on the Milanese and Moors to the south instead of worrying about the French to their west, which is Swabian expansion zone ~:)
Yes, it definitely seems to make sense for the Bavarians to deal with the islands and any African wars. I'm actually pretty pleased with how well the geographic expansion of the Houses has worked. I was one of the ones pushing for non-geographic territorial allocations and I'm glad GH didn't listen to us.
Ituralde's (excellent) story reminds me of the Austrian avatar situation. Even though Meckil is available for marriage, there are 4 other daughters available for marriage and they are all to the left of her on the family tree. I think it's possible Meckil could go a long, long time without being married. Since we're in a Diet Session now, perhaps it would be good to start formally considering other options for the Austrians. Arnold will be of age this coming term, so that's one avatar, but Leo's getting old himself and there are several other players who need them. I think we need to poach a few from the Swabians or Franconians. There are two Mahren boys, two Mahren girls, and three Kasilien boys who will come of age next term. I think one of those two 'families' should attach themselves to the Austrians for all future generations. That would keep the familiy tree relatively organized while solving the Austrian avatar problem.
We could also accept any (yes, any) avatar that wants to marry into a branch of the tree which already has excess numbers of avatars to try and get the females married off before they turn into spinsters which is worse than not having a well rounded avatar. Btw, the older a female gets, the older her suitors become too, so that is a big problem (i.e. shortlived avatars) although it can be changed in the files.
considering how many we have, I'm not sure if short lived generals would be that huge of a problem, but I agree with you.
Hm, I must say that I'm glad that somebody else for one picked up the avatar problem of Austria. :beam: I would have to lie if I said this is not something I have thought about in the past.
I have mentioned before that something along the lines of TinCows thinking would have been to my liking. The von Mahren family would be suitable as they already had contact with the House of Austria in the past. Since econ21 stated that Henry will send generals from other Houses to assist in the defense of Austria, maybe the eldest von Mahren son could be assigned this task. If no other Franconian avatar comes forth and also if Kagemusha as the boys father has no objections one of the Austrian Electors could take that avatar. This is of course if Northnovas would be willing to do this. The rest of it should develop in character though. This should give a nice base from where to operate without transfering whole branches of the family tree somewhere else OOC.
What do you think about it, especially the parties involved?
I had hope that with Meckil and Arnold I would get at least enough avatars for my two Austrian comrade, but with it seems like the game deems the number of characters high enough, which even makes me fear for children for Arnold or Meckil. So the above would also have future developments in mind.
Anybody want to download the savegame and press end turn 10 times? Don't tell us anything that happens, just report what happens if you reject all new avatars except Austrians. I'd do it, but it is just I think as Chancellor it would really spoil my reign.
I've resisted deviating from the family tree branch = House idea in the past, but like most folk, I am getting frustrated by this long dry spell for Austria.
I think AussieGiant and Northnovas should have the final say in all this, as we are essentially looking for avatars for them.
If no one else has, I will do it when I get home in about an hour.
Thanks, TinCow. :2thumbsup:
I want to crack on with my first turn once the Diet has finished tomorrow, as I don't think the voting will affect what happens in the first turn. If those players who have not already done so could post build queues/household army orders in the next 24 hours, it would be appreciated. :bow:
I'll try to post orders relatively quickly, but can you remind me which cities am I responsible for the building order for??
Okay, I did it I went into the future. I will not divulge what I saw but the Austrian avatar does not look good. I have tried this a couple times this week with almost the same results.
This time I went 10 turns and it took awhile on turn 7 and 9 the offers went to Judda der Stoltze. The family tree is quirky and I think Meckil will end up a spinster.
It's with mix regret that I may have to go outside the family line if I want more involvement. AG will get Arnold so I think I may have to accept an avatar from another house.
There have been excellent stories and I was trying to think IC for a nice storyline. I think we can figure something out.
If TC want to try the 10 turns and see what he gets I know my game turns have been different from what ended up happening. I had econ done in by the Inquisitor he had in his storyline.
I am open to anything I was trying to keep it in the family but if that is not possible we will have to go with the other options available.
The capital of Swabia, Staufen, is yours by right of leading the House.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xdeathfire
You should also post one for Metz unless you plan to make Ulrich or Elberhard its Count.
With the Household Army, I'd like to know its commander (currently you) and its rough location, as well as whether you want to use it to conquer a neighbouring province. The FAQ in the first post to this thread includes the ammendment that established household armies - it will have more details if you need them.
I just posted some orders for the Swabian army and I guess I will make Ulrich the Count of Metz. I'll post build orders for Staufen in a little bit.
I did the 10 turns thing too and I got the exact same results as Northnovas: two offers for Judda der Stoltze, who is also the farthest left of all the daughters on the family tree. I think that unless we massively expand our provinces in very short order (which I think none of us wants) Meckil will never get a marriage offer. I think we will have to give the Austrians some avatars from elsewhere on the family tree.
If the game plays out in reality like it did in my 10 turns, you're in for an interesting Chancellorship econ21.
I think your taking Judda's husband might be the best way forward. He would be rather a blank slate and so could be an Austrian (as opposed to our current spare, young Hamburg, who is Franconian by blood). European custom is that the wife moves into the husband's family rather than vice versa, so there would be nothing odd about Judda's husband being an Austria.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northnovas
Is AussieGiant content to wait for Arnold? I don't know off-hand how long that will be.
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Originally Posted by Northnovas
Don't start. Me and inquisitors is already like Captain Hook and crocodiles.
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Hi Guy's,
The situation with the Austrian avatars seems grim for sure.
I'm certainly going to wait for Arnold econ. I'm about to ask Ituralde if I can start some "tie-ins" with my semi crazy Austrian Merchant character I've been using for the last few months.
Northnovas it seems your going to have to go and poach another avatar and bring him into the House.
I've gotta say I don't think giving Judda der Stoltze's husband to Austria is going to solve the problem. Neither the new avatar nor Arnold will have thier own kids any time soon, and even when they do it will take a full 3 Chancellorship terms for them to come of age. If we just move Judda der Stoltze's husband over, we'll have to be revisting this problem every single month till the end of the game. Moving over an entire family is a far better solution as it will provide for more avatars down the line, so that we can take care of this problem for good and not have to revisit it again.
I still think the von Mahren family makes the most sense. They have 4 underage kids and they are also located directly next to the Austrians on the family tree. From an organizational standpoint, they are the best choice. I am not suggesting that Jonas von Mahren himself move over, just his kids and all of their descendants. That still leaves the von Hamburgs and the von Kastiliens in Franconia, two families that are similarly blessed with many children.
If it helps, I can even manually edit the image of the family tree in the Library so that it shows the von Mahrens coming from Leopold's line.