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So does this mean you're still alive then, did you win ? The last exchange between you and Stig confused me a bit...Quote:
wow, i never expected péter would get this bloodthirsty - thats what 0 piety and feeling unappreciated while disrespecting prisoners and being a powerful tournament knight does to you, i guess.
edit: just confirming - what stiggy said is true.
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I autoresolved Peter's battle
He lost but survived and retreated on Thorn
Ansehelm got to fight and retreated
Ansehelm got to fight again and I retreated everything to Thorn.
i didnt win - peter autoresolved and he was able to escape, just not his army.
econ21, I would like to say that it gives me endless joy to see you RPing Elberhard. One of these days we need to get you an insane avatar.
a "shameful" avatar could be funny too.
Oh man! I've just about had it with the insanity of the Medieval 2 family tree. That must be the strangest feature of the whole game! :furious3:
Can anyone else please confirm that it is NOT possible to marry Lyse von Salza off to Siegfried von Kastillien? It seems there is some mechanic preventing Princesses from marrying Princes, even if they are on opposite sides of the family tree! Well so much for trying to come up with an explanation for why Siegfried is suddenly the heir, might as well go on the Eastern Crusade after all! :furious3:
Just gotta take it, as it is, I guess... :thumbsdown:
Um, I suspect the crusade will be over by August. Generally I am leery about players without computer access being given lots of battles. I think players who can't fight battles should find quieter assignments. In WotS, we had an "Upper House" and "Lower House" distinction that institutionalised that. If players were going away or had tech problems, they went to the Upper House and the Consul ensured they were not put in danger. If we start having lots of proxies, it starts to break the link between the player and the avatar. And giving key commands to avatars whose owners can fight them personally seems as good a way as any of rationing out the battles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
However, there are good in character reasons for Anselhelm leading the crusade and there's also been some bad blood OOC on the issue, so I won't push the point. I do think Anselhelm should have a second player controlled general accompanying him though and perhaps alternate battles between them (with Anselhelm being moved out of the stack for those battles, if he has the higher command, so the second general can benefit from some of the trait bonuses from victories).
On the question of who fights Anselhelm's battles in Stig's absence, I am inclined to say the first Franconian who picks up the savegame. That keeps it "in house", but should ensure the fastest turn around.
Ituralde: If the marrying the Princess part does not work, how about Siegfried winning glory on the Moscow crusade as the rationale for his adoption? That might also help deal with the problem of Stig not being able to fight the crusade battles.
Well the only nobles available for the crusade will be Franconian nobles I think, and since some old Franconians might die in future one of them can come.
Fritz von Kastillien will be a good choice, as he's close, all others are in the Outremer afaik.
I'm pretty sure either Gunther, Jonas or Fredericus will die of old age before 1260 so Kage, DG or Flydude can take Fritz.
I will have a computer tho, simply no MTW2, I'll keep posting.
Tho maybe I can play the game, but that requires taking it to my parents (as I will be there) and installing it on the PC there, but that depends on the System Requirements.
EDIT: Ah I can maybe fight the battles, but seeing the game is so big and all I'll only install it once I really need to battle (ie. once Ansehelm is really on crusade). Thorn will come under siege, but DG or Gibson can fight those battles.
I've set the department date for the crusade in about 6 turns. It'll be 12 days before we get there.
Sides I'm happy to autoresolve if the battle is in Ansehelms favour.
econ21: Yeah, I'll manage to work something out with Warluster. Just had to vent my frustration there. :beam:
FYI, I will be out of town again for about 2 days from this evening until Sunday. I will probably be able to check the forums, but I have no guarantees. Fortunately, it appears that the Emergency Session will delay the attack on Milan for at least a few days.
Actually that was the plan I had in mind myself.Quote:
Ituralde: If the marrying the Princess part does not work, how about Siegfried winning glory on the Moscow crusade as the rationale for his adoption? That might also help deal with the problem of Stig not being able to fight the crusade battles.
But now Warluster wants to bring his Imperial Army after me some time (with an edict ofcourse, as by then it will be 1260), and mostlikely that would give Siegfried the title Prinz.
I think it's a great plan to let Siegfried and Ansehelm go as was the original plan.
That means I won't have to fight battles on a uber slow computer (it gets to the minimum requirements (my little brother uses it to play BF2142) but I doubt it will be quick).
I wouldn't mind if Gerhard went on the crusade as well, he's been in italy for too long, and the riegns of the BHA should be transfered IMHO. The russians bribed part of the BHA, so there's plenty of IC reasons to.
I have internet access daily, and usually on the weekend it's more a matter of making time than not having time on the weekends. Perhaps a relieveing force behind the main crusade? I'll give it some thought.
Edit: If the Kaiser decides to take the rest of the Chancellorship for himself, does that count as his 'birthright chancellorship'? I only ask cause IF it's open season, I'm considering a run (emphasis on considering) for chancellor and a reduced term kinda appeals to me.
Edit 2: No offence stig or Swabians for my IC comments, I'm just stirring the pot.
The Kaiser could contest the election openly and reserve his "birthright" for a full term later. But if he uses his perogative, then yes, that's his birthright Chancellorship used up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuperman
hey Ituralde,
does that mean Warluster doesn't regarding my request to marry Lyse at all?
Actually, keeping Siegfried unmarried is a good thing. We can use his marriage for alliance diplomacy. As for justifying it in-game... just make something up. We didn't really bother with any real reason for Jobst inheriting the throne, simply because it's so random and ridiculous. I'm sure everyone will accept whatever RP reason you choose to give.
Just a reminder - voting will open for one day at 9ampm UK time tonight. I understand Kaiser Jobst will exercise his perogative to be Chancellor so we won't need a Chancellorship election if Hummel is impeached. In that event, Warluster can pick up the 1244 save on 9am Saturday UK time.
I think you meant 9pm for either econ ~:)
Well, someone (Stig maybe?) was asking for 36 hours hours of debate, so 9am might be right.
so that's like 4am NA time?
Yeah, but econ said "9am UK time tonight" which doesn't make a lot of sense :grin:
hey guys if lyse von salza spawns (or already has) less than 3 charm, i think we oughta send her on some diplomacy and dont marry her until shes three. then we wont get wife is a wretch traits and we'll continue making babies. same for meinburg..
Lyse von Salza has spawned and currently has a Charm of 3, although the Tool Tips of her two traits suggest that she should have a rating of 4, since both are supposed to give +2 each. I also haven't seen any ancilliary or trait that reduces her charm. Any insights FactionHeir?
thats weird. well, in that case marry away! i wanna be in the tourney for her heart! lol. we should totally do what that one person said we should and have a multiplayer tournament for her hand.
Stuperman, no offence but I'd rather go on that crusade with some undeveloped characters. Preferably young, characters that need work so they get some good traits. When I got Ansehelm he already had some good traits, but characters as: Siegfried von Kastillien, Dieter Bresch, Wolfgang Hummel (he could do with some) or Helmut von Hamburg.
I can fight the battles now so that's no problem, sides I have no problem with autoresolving, stat wise I'm bringing superior troops.
An MP tourney for 4 players takes about 2 weeks to set up, arrange and fight, with luck.Quote:
have a multiplayer tournament for her hand.
I've been in multiple tourneys, and for tourneys you can fight about 1 person per week. Different schedules, timezones, GameSpy, etc.
yeah, thats true, but we should do some cool way instead of just arbitrarily dropping her off.
Not sure about Helmut von Hamburg, but Dieter Bresch and Wolfgang Hümmel are definetly in Outremer. Dieter is running around with Conrad Salier, while Wolfgang is with his father in Adana.
helmut's in ragusa last i checked - that would take a while too. maybe a reinforcement army coming from the black sea?
Yeah all the young characters seem to be far away. We still have Fritz tho, he can come, or Ansehelm could simply go on his own.
Tho if Helmut is in Ragusa he has enough time to head north, it will take about 5 turns for the army to finish I guess. And Dieter can get his experience with Conrad.
Helmut should head north anyway as he's needed when Gunther and Jonas die (withing 10 turns is my guess)
Yeah I belive one of the first jobs of the future Chancellor would be to sort out the character mess we have. With a lot of unassigned avatars coming up, they seem to appear every which way. I think it would be good to start moving them towards their respective Duchies or their Crusader Countys in Outremere to get some sort of organization going.
Yep. Unless you're in or on your way to Outremer, avatars should remain in their Duchies. Especially unassigned ones.
The problem is is that all avatars who's fathers are outside cities spawn in Rome. That's 4 turns away from Franconia and 6 from the Outremer, atleast.
yeah, thats where peter popped up.
Right, which means it should be a high priority to get them on their way to their Duchies. We've had several cases of avatars lingering around in strange places for much longer than they needed to. I think unassigned avatars should be stuck in cities and used as governors to build good traits so that they will eventually be appealing to players who need avatars. If you're a Franconian and you pop up in Rome, you should be making a bee-line north to help manage Franconian cities.
I agree entirely TC.
Actually it might be better to put them in the Italian cities and in the settlement with a young character you should than take down the tax so that happiness will grow to over 100% (green face), this will quickly give good governor traits in my experience.
Yeah, but who says us Bavarians want any of your filthy Franconians stealing our women? :laugh4:
Don't worry, you can keep your witchQuote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Actually a Jens von Kassel married Meinburg von Hamburg, so it's Bavarians, if you go by the randomly assigned last name of the suitor, stealing Franconian women. :beam:
OK, but Since joining this PBM, I've fought 3 battles (in as many months) only 2 of which counted for Gerhard, (one battle Conrad was technically the commander, but I was the battle fighter for IC reason) So Gerhard had few good traits, then those few were destroyed by the witch. Gerhard Has never fought a siege battle (Mersaille was taken when there was no garrison), hell he's never even been outside his dutchy. As much as I contribute IC and OOC on the forums, I've done almost nothing IN GAME, and would like to have a more active role. This northen crusade is probable the last time Gerhard will get a chance to activle contribute as he's getting older (he's 50 now) and besides, IC it doesn;t make much sence to have a Grand Northern Crusade run by a bunch of 20 something generals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
edit: OK, I'm confused, who married Gerhard's Daughter?
Aye true, but what I mean is that yes Gerhard hasn't done much (he has 10! loyalty tho, if I'm correct). But since he's 50 (mostlikely 53 when the crusade starts). Whatever he gains is little, and I think such is better done for the young characters, as they can use it in future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuperman
Would be great to have someone old and experienced as Gerhard along for IC reasons tho. Bavaria isn't in much danger and can easely defended by Markus and Lothar, the only thing you might lack is governors for the Italian cities.
im more worried he'd die before we get going...
Nah, most characters get to 58
So far the savegame's been pretty nice with our character ages. Heinrich and Henry both made it to 62 before croaking, and Leopold was going strong in his late 50s until he died in battle.
Gerhard does have that witch's blight on him but he should still have enough time to at least start the Crusade before he bites it.
Aye once he is near Thorn Ansehelm and the crusading army should be ready so they could go together near 1255 (either turn 1254 or 1256).
That's in 5-6 turns so Gerhard will be 53 then.
In 10 turns it should be possible to be in Moscow ... if it would be fully up to me. ~D
We could ofcourse grant him an heroic death at his old age ~D, or he could pass away sieging Moscow.
That's a good point, but it might be okay if don't stop the campaign. Does anyone know how long Princesses last?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
Until age 40, just as any other female avatar.
The only way this can happen is if the person under whose "guidance" the princess spawned did not have the fixes installed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ituralde
In vanilla M2TW, EducatedWoman level 2 gives only 1 point, thus total 3. This does not update until she gains/loses another point in said trait or is fixed via console. This is why its so important to have the fixes properly installed when you are playing the game!
btw, happy birthday Ignoramus and Xdeathfire!
Hmm just noticed that down there too.
Happy 15th birthday both of you. Getting older hehe :grin2:
Happy Birthday guy's.
hows it feel to be 15? im there too dudes. cept i turn 16 in september. u gonna be sophomores? im an uppaclassman now!
Thanks guys.
It's currently school holidays here in Victoria, so that's very nice.
Happy belated birthday, Ignoramus and Xdeathfire. Boy, it really feels weird knowing that I'm older than three of the people here at the age of 18. :beam:
You know, the game is not supposed to progress while the Diet is in session.
I followed GH's precedent. If Ulrich hadn't died, then yes, he would be literally flayed alive, but as my sole purpose was to kill off Ulrich(the Turkish army only consisted of 90 men) I am sure it is alright.
FLYdude has a point, Ignoramus could have arranged to do this with the knowledge of Warluster just as easily once he took possesion of the save. I'm sure he wouldn't have minded arranging a Viking funeral for Ulrich.
I would suggest we let Warluster take a look at the save, and if he's alright with it, we'll go from there. It's still dirty pool however. Using GH's actions as Heinrich for precedent puts Ignoramus on shaky ground to begin with. :laugh4:
Please, please, please no more shenanigans with a save. It's a very slippery slope. We've frayed the PBM enough around the edges in the past few days and we don't need to be pulling out more threads.
*quickly steals save and murders everyone but Ansehelm*
*uploads it again without any noticing*
Wasn't me ~D
I'm sorry Stig, but political assasinations are only allowed by a two thirds majority vote of the Diet, as I believe it would require a Charter Amendment. :P
Sigh...Looks like a Swabian edict for taking a settlement is gonna fail once again. Its basically Swabia versus every1 else
Well you're kinda using this Emergency Session to get it through again, it failed once, so you could expect this.
Sides I voted against it because Ansehelm will need some resources for his crusade, would he have to share that with Swabia it would mostlikely take longer ~D
Still need more people to support E.3 here. Where are all the Bavarians that are supposed to follow their Duke's vote? :grin:
Btw, E.4 ought to pass: as a bday present for Xdeathfire heh!
Unless you upload a savegame, Ulrich hasn't died. We won't delay Warluster's start waiting for a savegame, although he may be amenable to mimicing your move if there is not one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
I understand that Ulrich may have reached the end of the road as a playable character and am happy to assign you another one. Do you want his son, Wolfgang Hummel, or another avatar?
I suggest people don't react in character to the rumours of Hummel's death until we see if they are exagerated.
I'll upload it straight away. I'll consider which avatar I'll have next, but I'm leaning towards Wolfgang.
Edit: Save's uploaded - kotr1244-2.
I think I will take Wolfgang.
Ah, shame Hümmel had to go though. Kind of makes these emergency session edicts just plain old boring edicts, with the 'cause' of the problems gone.
That said, happy birthday Ignoramus and Xdeathfire !
Have a good one guys ~:cheers:
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I've updated the playlist with people's stats.
I think we accept Ulrich's death - it makes sense both in character and out of character - and just play on from:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1244-2.zip
The save is pretty interesting - I think Warluster is going to have a fun time as Chancellor. Perhaps one of his first jobs will be to rescue Wolfgang Hummel from the nearby Turks!
Karl Zirn Count of Zagreb and Governor of Damascus to the rescue!!!!
He's the only one out there.
Happy birthday guys! :cake:
The conclusion of the Conrad/hashish storyline is finally up.
Thank you, and I think I may have to just take a French city and then abandon it just to weaken the French.
lso, I had a brainwave. With the whole weird problem of Siegfred being Prince, we could get the 1242 save, the one before Henry was dead, and marry Lyse to Siegfred then, then upload?
Then the DIet tournaments could be for Meinburg.
Not allowed to attack cities ... Gaza for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xdeathfire
and happy birthday and stuff ~:cheers:
I think that's unpicking history too much (Henry may not even die, let alone redoing all the stuff that Ulrich did). I think it is best to just play on from 1244. As Tincow said, I don't think anyone is going to bat an eyelid at whatever in-character story is used to justify Siegfried being prince. (We did not with Sigismund and Jobst.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Warluster
Wait a minute, as Hummel is dead before the voting ended, shouldn't his votes become undone, somehow seems unright to me.
[rant]:gah2: Why do tied edicts fail? I shall propose a CA next diet to make tied edicts depend on the Emperor's will![/rant]
I'm not sure whether online tournaments will work out, considering what Stig said. Also, I won't have any good connection from tomorrow until october, so I can only fight SP battles, but no MP.
What Stig said also makes sense actually. Dead people's votes normally don't count?
If you want to marry a 40 year old woman no problem, but it takes time time and more time.Quote:
I'm not sure whether online tournaments will work out, considering what Stig said.
I can't fight on tuesdays, wednesdays and weekends (no I really can't), you can't fight on thursdays (for example). When we try we get a GS problem, try again some other day. Something more important comes inbetween so we have to fight another day.
I still have to fight 5 others, etc etc.
You should take about one week of time for every player in it.
Not in real, how do you vote?Quote:
Dead people's votes normally don't count?
Ever heard of postal votes? There must be a lot of postal voting going on in the Reich, given the geographic dispersion of its generals. Seriously, Ignoramus voted before he announced Hummel's death. I don't see a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
There's a fine tradition in American politics of dead people voting. Usually it involeved Political Machines like Tammany Hall and crooked voter registration lists.
No connection, no wife! :skull:Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
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Maybe if and edict loses by less than 5% it should pass as well :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
Not when one is dead.Quote:
Ever heard of postal votes?
During the Diet session the game is stalled, so it doesn't matter when Igno killed Hummel. He's dead.
(heh, I want E2.3 through)
It's all semantic.
He had time to come to the Diet so could have left his wishes to some administrator. There is a million possible ways to have his wishes fulfilled.
2.3 failed as it was a tie.
ya, as you say, he saw that the impeachment will pass so he decide to go out in a blaze of glory. So, the vote happened while he was alive. :P