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If they're just minor battles, you really dont need to do anything more than post the end results. I have made my last few battle reports extensive because they were actually just a way I could tell the next part of my 'Lothar Story'. Plus, you've been fighting a lot of battles lately. If you don't think the battles are important historical events and have no significance for your character, save yourself some pain and skip the details.
This discussion about rebellion makes we wonder how different things would be if we could frame generals for treason as in MTW. Alas, what could have been.
Well I still need to do atleast one, also to continue Ansehelms story
Third and final part of my battle report up. One of the most intense TW battles I've fought. :sweatdrop:
Ah good, now Conrad can finally yell at Elberhard. :yes:
For what? Can we see? I've been craving some good Outremer drama! :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
That's it. 1260 has been entered, and the save is up:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1260.zip
The transition was interesting enough...
*looks at the save*
Oh man, this is gonna be a fun one! Ok, how does this work? Is the game frozen until the end of the Diet session?
Yes, the Diet will be declared open by the Kaiser and time will be given for edicts and charter amendments some discussion. Election for the edicts proposed and for Chancellor if required. Then when all said and done move on to the save and continue with new army orders and building queues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Thanks, I joined right after the last one so this is my first "transition" and there is much IC I want to do. :beam:
Even if we do take back Jerusalem, Durazzo will still be the capital, which is not the best of situations for us. Perhaps we could persuade the Byzantines to attack it for us?
I would say trade Jerusalem, once we have it back, for Durazzo, but they won't trade their capital will they?
No.
What funny is this probably wouldn't have happened except for the fact that the Papacy has their army sitting in a little boat in a little lake next to Jerusalem. The Egyptians have a boat full of men there two. Such a mighty little boat navy... Reminds me of the War of 1812... :laugh4:
If Ituralde has not already done so, I will open the Diet tomorrow morning (UK time). I'd rather not have the deadlines expire at such an ungodly hour as the likelihood of my making mistakes when drawing up the polls etc would be high.
All right, but Outremer reserves the right to call their Crusade Edict 11.1. :yes:
Err... what is the rationale for asking Durazzo back again? Tot we gave it to the Pope to secure a border?
I think the thought is to make Jerusalem the Papacy capital again so the new popes keep springing up there. Also it makes sense in game.
Problem is, we can't negotiate our way to the Papacy giving up Durazzo since it's already their capital and they never let you do anything with an AI capital. The only way that Durazzo can be removed is by force. We obviously don't want to do it (at least, most of us, I hope) so our best bet is asking the Byzantines to do it for us.
Well, first you need to make the Byz go to war with the pope and normally they dont care about Durazzo until they own Corinth and Thessalonica.
I think the rebellion against Siegfried is picking up momentum. THis diet session will be quite fun. Prepare for an extended diet though to have second voting as a result of the first round.
I also think the Diet Speaker ought to open the session this time.
I hopefully should have i-net access once or twice a day for the next week again. Cant be sure though. Try not to advance things too much hehe.
P.S. I miss smilies. And punctuation. Those Japanese keyboards are weird.
God almighty this game is getting huge!!
It's taken me 90 minutes to catch up with everything since yesterday afteroon GMT+1!!
Save is frozen. Let the games begin :laugh4:
I'm taking a look at the save tonight.
Hmm... well, isn't the sicilians at war with the pope over Durazzo, so there is a chance that they might capture it and the Pope will shift back to Jerusalem?
Judging by the Sicilians repeated sieges of Cagliari, they couldn't succesfully assault a wet cardboard box.
I think it's time to get the Bavarian teeth out after some long service leave and unite the Italian peninsula.
Sorry for the delay in opening the Diet - I should have just done it last night.
By the normal timetable, the voting will run from Saturday 11am to Sunday 11am. This has traditionally been the deadest period for Diet participation. Is anyone going to be unable to vote in that period? If it is one or two, they can use postal (PM to me) votes. If it is more than that, we should change the timetable - e.g. have a two day poll spanning Sunday and Monday.
I'm available on the weekend.
I'll be travelling to Korea from 11:00am Thursday to noon Friday GMT+1.
I can jump on in the evening on Friday to hit the diet deliberations and voting will be no problem Sunday and Monday.
econ21, if the Kaiser succession debate really takes off, it might be wise to extend the Diet by a day or two. No need for it now, IMO, but flexibility could help if the discussions are intense, given the seriousness of the issue.
Just a note to tell you that I'll be out all day tomorrow, so I'll probably miss valuable debates.
AG, you must be psychic, and I'd say that the siegfired rebellion is taking off a bit.
My sons have also left me in a VERY tight position politically, but I think I've got it cracked.
I also agree that debate and voting might need to be/should be extended, this looks like quite a doozie (sp? even a word?) of a diet session
Given that this is probably Gerhards last Diet session, I really hope that Bavaria gets another avatar or 2, as I'd like to stay in Bavaria. Perhaps another 'adoption'?
Yup, Christmas is going to be very awkward at the Steffen homestead.
Edit: I might propose a OOC CA calling for the culling of some of our less desirable unclaimed avatars to promote new kids and adoptions.
I just ensured that x-mas will be awkward in the Franconian hall as well. :laugh4:
As for old avatars, there are not too many left. The old Swabian one just died. Jan has a brother in law thats 50 and sitting in Rome with Duke Steffan. The rest are pretty young. Jan's older brother is in Thorn and in his 30's. Jan's other brother in law is in Outremer and is in his young 20's. The younger Hummel brother is also in Outremer and in his teens. There is one more Kastillian and I think he is in his 30's. I think that is it for unclaimed avatars.
I know, but every little bit helps. The Houses are a bit lopsided and none of the younger avatars are getting married. If we got some duds left, may as well get them out of the way and then see what happens.
If the lopsidedness continues, I think we'll just have to bite the bullet and abduct some more Franconians to serve Austria. It's not ideal, but far better than having a House die out completely.
Didn't AG say something earlier about letting Austria die out if its going to die out?
Yeah, but I really don't like that idea. The way things are going, Bavaria will have avatar problems as well. Are we going to let all the Houses die until everyone is Franconian? Besides, four Houses are good for balance. With three, an alliance with two can always dominate the third. With four, it usually turns out to be two on two in the event of a contentous issue.
Well, I'm trying to spark a chivalry/dread divide IC so maybe that will help. It seems to transcend house lines. I don't want any of the houses to die out either but what do we do? Also, it seems that Swabia has more kids that will come of age soon and I don't hear talk of taking their avatars away. Though they do seem adept at losing their avatars. :laugh4:
Way back in a saved game I went a couple turns and Zirn had a son. I therefore had hope when a new save came up but I don't think it's going to happen. Though Arnold is younger and should get hooked up soon if she can look past his dread.:shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
With all the talk Lothar and Arnold do about "breeding" they sure don't breed much. Also, Franconia has two avatars at age 60 and one at age 57 so that should help balance things out when they die.
Plus that, none of the Kastillien sons is married
Yeah, out of the four Hamburg sons/son-in-laws, two are married(because their son in laws) and only one has a kid.
We need an Imperial Dating Service.
Welcome to the Imperial Dating Service, pick:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
1.) If you would like a sanctimonious holier-than-thou Crusader
2.) If you would like a genocidal killer
3.) If you would like a recluse that sits in the woods all day building watchtowers.
Young man, in possession of Dread Knight and Berserker, seeks lovely girl to marry with
Yeah, that works.
Young dread duke, responisble for thousands of executed prisoners, likes walks on the beach, gazing at the stars, and puppies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
Mixed loyalties in the political world doesn't translate into cheating on you, babe! He's a tournament winner and a beast of a commander. If you love random bouts of rage and unconditional loyalty to friends no matter how stupid they are, choose Peter von Kastilien!
Vote for Lothar! He'll get you laid!
Idk, matthias has a history with the older women...
Ansehelm is fertile, vote for him and all the Reich will have children
True, we Steffens seem to have a way with the princesses. First that Hungarian for Lothar, then Heinrich's daughter for Matthias, now Jobst's daughter for Lothar.
Max's wife? isn't she technically his grand-aunt or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921
*shudders*
Ummm. . .I looked at the available avatars listed in the first page of the Chancellor's report and then checked out the save.
First Harold von Dassel is dead of natural causes, so he should be taken off the list. This gives the Swabian only one free avatar, Jens Hummel, but reinforcements are on the way.
Second, Karl Zirn just had a son born, Johann age zero! The Austrians are hanging on by a thread. :dancing:
Third, since the Franconians, among others, will soon need two replacement avatars, the only spare avatar I can recommend icing is Jens von Kassel. He's 50 anyway, he's already produced a son, and it's confusing having a von Kassel and another Jens as a Franconian.
Edit: Otto married well too ya know. Matt and Elsebeth was just a mentor relationship with benefits.
You shoud make that your campaign slogan!Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Also, has Lothar noticed yet that his bride-to-be is !@#$%ing someone else?
:laugh4:
Does anyone know someone associated with the design/programming of IE? If so can I have thier address so that I can go and kill them, I just lost a HUGE pm when IE decided that it wanted to crash on me :furious3: :furious3:
and I know that it might be premature, but have we decided on an end point? I mean are we sticking to 45 territories? or re-unite the Roman empire? Conquor the new world?
The way things are going, we've not need to worry about endings. I believe that the first WOTS game ended prematurely because it was so successful, there were no more challenges. We do not seem to have that problem :juggle2:
TC, so that hungarian princess that runs off with your avatar didn't translate into a wife for him?
I tell you something. I'm going to make my marriage a matter of legislation.
The houses are important and I really don't think anyone realises the impact of losing a house in the whole scheme of things. At the moment Arnold is 26 and it's time for him to get married considering a whole blood line would be whipped out. This would really dilute the Austrian house if the rest of the characters were adoptions and OOC work arounds.
The balance will go out the window for one thing.
Arnold's coming back to the Diet so get ready :balloon2:
ottos wife elsebeth
It was impossible to tell if she ran off with either Lothar or Markus, but McIwoo never commented on it, so I embraced (:laugh4:) the story. Regardless, neither Lothar nor Markus got married or got any traits as a result.Quote:
Originally Posted by StoneCold
I'm gagging for a wife.
I'd shove my todger in a blender if it would get me one :laugh4:
You probably shouldn't. I get the feeling that Duke Arnold would make his toddler his wife. :laugh4:
*edit*
I just realized that he might have meant something else with the word "todger"... o_O
Feel free to take which ever meaning is best for your answer PK :2thumbsup:
By the way Econ. Excellent battle report. You're really getting good at it.
Oh neither is very good... :inquisitive:
:laugh4:
*edit*
That was to AG's post about todgers, not the one about Econ...
I didn't know King Salier was Kaiser! :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xdeathfire
Sorry. Must be getting the names wrong..
Yeah, thats why I just made a joke OOC and ignored it IC.
Hey PK, I love this bickering, just wanted to keep things cordual OOC.
Aye, Jan really seems to be making enemies, not the best thing to do ... but fun none the less
It's a shame he's such a holy roller, he and Lothar could have been good friends.
I haven't seen his latest stats but his not that much of a pious "idiot" (~D ) isn't he. Only 5 the last time I saw it.
Oh its all good OOC guys. I was wondering though if we might want to give eachother an "out" IC so we all don't completely politically destroy our characters. Just a thought. Jan is finally starting to feel the heat from all the pressure others are placing on everyone he knows.
*edit*
And 5 is pretty pious. And did you ever consider that if someone is acting more pious than his traits dictate, then he might....be lying? *sneaky look*
The little "Nut job" is above average but nothing crazy. :2thumbsup:
Arnold's going to rip him a new set of gonads soon.
I've got no idea how I can do this though.:wall:
I mean, my character given his traits just can't put up with all this...
but I really can't do anything:dizzy2: It's pretty funny right now.lol:beam:
I've updated the play list in the first post of the Chancellors reports thread. Please check your character's details are correct.
While we are at it, people should start posting build queues and Household Army orders.
EDIT: It would be a good idea to list the Household Army commanders. This is what I have so far:
Kaiser's Army - Kaiser Siegfried
Army of Outremer - King Salier
Swabian Household Army - Duke Scherer
Franconian Household Army - Steward Ansehelm
Austrian Household Army - Count Sigismund
Bavarian Household Army - Count Lothar
I've premised this on Duke Gunther and Duke Arnold being unable to fight battles now/soon. Ansehelm should find a replacement when/if he sets off to Moscow.
Also: who are the heirs of Swabia and Austria?
Alright AG, your not answering my PM so I'll put this on here. We agreed a couple days ago OOC that we could snipe in the Diet IC. Then you went and had Arnold basically twist Ansehelm's arm so hard that your giving Jan almost know room to breath. I agree we are RP'ing feudalism but you and I had a deal OOC. You've also helped stoke the IC frusterations against my character to the point where he is on the verge of being useless to me.
Basically, for my character to be viable, I need an out. And this isn't all my fault because you went out of your way to put Jan in hot water.
Please help,
Kevin
I can already tell you it's not entirely correct.
Ansehelm should have 4 influence (Steward, total of 15 points, more than 6 on 1 stat).
Same for Peter I believe, I think he has more influence than that.
PK, Arnold did not do anything to twist Ansehelms thoughts, they are on a same line concerning prisoners
Surely your 'out' is simply to suck it up and apologize to your Steward. You have plenty of power if you can get Franconia behind you.
Alright AG's PM box is full so here is my reply to him:
No we are not ok. I started off just doing what we agreed OOC that we could do. And I know you can't control how others react IC but you had Arnold go out of his way to put the pressure on Jan. Now I need to take the credibility hit? This whole thing was fun at first but now it kind of sucks. In a flurry of posts, my character is on the cutting edge of being useless.
Also, I posted something OOC because I had not seen this PM yet.
I am not going to give a House a +2 for a Duke AND a +2 for a Steward (otherwise they will all start creating Stewards). It's an either/or. Stewards were originally for Houses which lacked bona fide Dukes. I am happy for Ansehelm to have the Steward title for RP reasons, but not the extra influence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
Seems ok to me: +1 for Count?Quote:
Same for Peter I believe, I think he has more influence than that.
Yes, PK do bear in mind we have to characters with the moniker "the Merciless".Quote:
PK, Arnold did not do anything to twist Ansehelms thoughts, they are on a same line concerning prisoners
Change the rules in that case:Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
Crusader counts get +1 for being a Crusader and +1 for being a count, isn't that too much either?Quote:
Originally Posted by You
Doesn't he have some high stats? Hell I fought a battle with him in command and he had atleast 9 command.Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
I've cleared my PM box PK.
You can reply there.
The pressure your feeling has a lot to do with people coming to their own conclusions. You've been in a tight barrel roll for the past few hours.
The pressure your feeling is not from me in most cases as far as I know. It's hard to tell.
I've written an "out" in the Diet, take it if you would like.
Yes I will be handing over the AHA to Sigismund.
Orders will follow for Arnold Ducal responsibilities.