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At worst, Sasaki is scummy- at best his statement was entirely unhelpful. I have little doubt that had another player done something like that he'd be calling for their head. Either way, he looks like a good choice for my vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xdeathfire
I posted a hi above the first post of the night's affairs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
Anywho, from the first few posts there seems to be a few 'frivolous' ones that typifies typical mafia behaviour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pra
Just noting some random ones:
Or here where an explanation isn't even givenQuote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
There are too many posts bandwaggoning on Don Corleone afterward:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki
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Originally Posted by BSR
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Originally Posted by Husar
From the night kill report, It looks like one was done professionally, my a Mafia Group, while the second Kill may've possibly been a serial killer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shlin
2 mafia 1 detective. GH's games are simple compared to most.
Right now, I've got numerous FoS
Sasaki for starting the Bandwaggon (sp?) with a post with no evidence.
Ichigo for citing frivolous evidence against Sasaki
Husar himself stated he was joining on a Bandwaggon(sp?) and had no evidence or suspicion against Don Corleone in that vote-in fact he said he was more suspiciuos of Sasaki, and then for no real reason voted Don Corleone.
Destroyer of Hope, no one ever has 'gut feelings'. In the vaguest sense a 'gut feeling' is the subconcious picking up on some random detail. Still in mafia, (which is limited and text based type detective game), you never have 'gut feelings' that you cannot point to a specific fact. This lights up my suspiciometer.
Ichigo always votes Sasaki in the beginning, its tradition.
First off, I'm just saving other people from pointing out that I'm joining a bandwagon, I see that as a public service to keep overal postcounts low.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien
And then I didn't say Sasaki was suspicious, I said he was deceptive. I also explained that I didn't think he was deceiving in that case, meaning I was willing to believe him. If you read further in the thread, I took away my vote from Don after Sasaki said he was joking, meaning it was not a subtle-but-obvious hint as I were at first willing to believe. I then actually joined Xiahou in voting for Sasaki since, as I said earlier, this was a very nasty joke and makes him very suspicious in my opinion.
Well, that's what really happened.:juggle2:
You just claim to be scum :tongue3:Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
But seriously, if a bunch of people started voting you now, would it be your fault for making a joke or their fault for jumping on a stupid wagon?
Why do you think pulling off a bad joke is scummy? Explain it in detail, why this would benefit mafia over other courses of action.
Why are you waiting for someone else to have a better idea, why not come up with one yourself?
Why blame me instead of the people who jumped on the wagon or who are still on the wagon?Quote:
Originally Posted by funky
This is illogical. If I am innocent it is not in the towns interest to lynch me. Why do you accuse me of being unhelpful when I started us talking as opposed to the people who haven't posted at all yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
Rule #1:Lynch Sasaki first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
meh. I wouldn't consider his other behavior not useful. He talked that's all that matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
I always do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pra Tha Funkee Homo Sapien
Anything that encourages discussion for review in later rounds, forcing people to take a stand, any stand, is helpful behavior. Cut Sasaki a break, it was my neck he was playing with and I appreciate what he was trying to do.
While I'm eyeing those that bandwagoned on me for such an obvious Sasaki ploy, I'd also like to highlight that 95% of the conversation is being had by 25% of the players.
There's a few people out there that are way too quiet and ought to know better. Prole being the exception of course. I've never seen her poke her head up before the 3rd round, guilty or innocent.
Sorry, Rule #1 is in the sig. That will have to be rule number 2, with the condition that it only applies when I'm a jester.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Husar's acting weird. That's fine with me Sasaki.
Who says this was a joke? I'm just trying to be objective even about myself, just claiming I'm innocent won't really help you since it's not proof as you might know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
If people started voting me that would be my own fault because of my joke(which wasn't really a joke anyway, but sooner or later I'll make one anyway:2thumbsup: ), but then they didn't start voting yet, so either I'm better at it than you or people are biased ~;)
Your joke seemed rather genuine to many, including me while my joke, if there was any(ok, I made some before) was visible as a joke and I tend to mark them by using smileys so that people don't get confused as easily.
Oh, I do have my own ideas, voting random would be one, voting you was another one, I actually had it before Xiahou did it, I even thought about it before voting for Don, sometimes it just takes time from the idea to the execution of that idea because I want to think about things. That also means that my vote for you isn't necessarily final though at the moment it will stand.
Suspicious is also when you admit you were joking and people keep their vote, except if you were crazy enough to jokingly accuse your mafia partner. And to be honest, I wouldn't put that past you either.
So, that was a nice and long explanation, wasn't it, I must be guilty, no?
(as you can see, I'm just trying to think a step ahead for you :laugh4: )
Trying not to sound like a total noob here, what does fos stand for? I've seen several people use the the term and i'm assuming it's not a good thing.
Finger of SuspicionQuote:
Originally Posted by Brave_Sir_Robin
Finger of Suspicion. If you want to direct attention at certain individuals but don't want to actually vote for them, FoS is the tool. It can be used to point at multiple individuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brave_Sir_Robin
Unvote: Brave Sir Robin
Vote: Beefy187
Can Beefy187 show up, or can someone explain his MO to me? My only previous experience of him was in M6, when I suspected him of being pever's alt-account, such was his inactivity. If he's been in any Mafia games since then, I'd like someone to explain how he plays. Alternatively, he can show up here and explain himself.
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Originally Posted by Ichigo
GAH!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
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Originally Posted by THE RULES
Well, you could of course also try to formulate your suspicion using the english language as a tool.:laugh4: ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Its weird how your making a useless vote for someone just becuase you want to know how he plays in previous games? :inquisitive: I'm not the most experienced in mafia games, but I find that rather scummy, like hes trying to start a bandwagon on a bad reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Fos: Pannonian
:evil:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Sorry GH, but it's traditional, what are we gonna do?Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Wonder why your using invisible mode Sasaki?
LOL, I have heard this phrase before by GH!Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadKill
It's traditional.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadKill
Sasaki, why do you keep saying things are traditional?
*waits for inevitable answer*
He's been using that for a while now.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadKill
A question for GH -- does it make your life hellish when we're voting and unvoting like crazy?
I'm going to stick with my vote for now. New kids make me nervous. Sasaki's "What if I were the detective" gambit doesn't seem worth piling on for. Besides, with all of the suspicion he has aroused, the mafia are sure to leave him alone for a long time. That's one likely innocent villager on our side who's more or less mafia-proof.
Gad, this game makes me contort my reasoning until it bends back on itself.
Nah, with six installments and a couple of minis under my belt I can handle it pretty well by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
It does, however, make life harder when people don't say who they're unvoting... :furious3:
:evil:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
There's a Lemur vote somewhere? I shall go look for it.
Not a very good vote. Considering he already introduced himself and voiced his suspicions. :whip: Bad Lemur
GH is referring to this, among other things. The lemur has only voted once so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Hm.... hm hm hrm hrm hmmmmm.....
Just got through catching up on the thread. Sasaki's little joke looked obvious enough to me; not quite sure why some people took it seriously. It was obviously not a reveal, and never claimed to be. I figured immediately that he was just up to his usual tactics of drumming up a bandwagon and watching the responses. Interesting to see who jumped on it... yes, veeery eenteresting... :study:
Andres
Brave Sir Robin
Husar
shlin28
Though I can't really tell if there's anything in the above short list besides a bunch of silly misunderstandings. Just felt like posting it for reference.
Gah. I keep looking things over and can't really come to a decisive conclusion (not really surprising considering it's the first round). Just a few mild suspicions.
So for now I'll take this opportunity to welcome back an old friend:
Vote: Lemur
How's it going, bro? ~:wave:
Bah. Who dares kill pevergreen?
A pox on your house.
Congrat Kommo on 1000 posts (4 to go)
Meh http://www.duxdelux.co.uk/modules/Fo...les/emot11.gifQuote:
This annoys me greatly and you should not do this.
:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
First round and there is already much to work with.
I have an important question for GH but I am not going to ask it in this round.
There are aprox. 10 hours left of this round and the current tally is:
DonC: 4 (Andres, Brave, Kage, Shlin)
Sasaki: 3 (Husar, Tiberius, Xiahou)
DoH: 2 (Ichigo, Sasaki)
Andres: 1 (Woads)
Beefy: 1 (Pann)
FesterS: 1 (CR)
gkhaan: 1 (Stig)
Ichigo: 1 (DoH)
Kage: 1 (DonC)
Lemur: 1 (Kommodus)
Pra Tha: 1 (Lemur)
Woads: 1 (gkhaan)
Xiahou: 1 (Xdeath)
Not voting: 18
(Beefy, ByzK, GvI, Disco, Dutch, Fester, Frag, Ingoramus, Killfr, PraTha, Prole, RoadK, sapi, Sarathos, Tran, Twilight, Warmaster)
Sarathos has been at Athletics all day. KF, TB and Beefy have all had plenty of time to vote.
Against your reveal...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Anyway, the reveal being fake, doesn't mean DC is innocent.
Thanks for stating the obvious Don. Also, this post implies that you have read what had been posted, yet you don't feel the need to really cast suspicion on someone. You have your eye on those who joined the bandwagon. Which player in particular? And for what reason? Just because he jumped on the BW or for any other reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
I guess I'll stick to my vote for now.
Don't know what to think of thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Very defensive and there wasn't even alot of pressure on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
:inquisitive:
~:)
Firstly, I think that we need to take our votes off both DonC and Sasaki for now; they've both shrugged the incident off and it would be stupid for either to die as a result of it.
Secondly, watch Andres - he should have known better in that particular incident.
Finally, I think that Husar seems to be over-analysing things a fair bit, especially for round one.
Vote: Husar
Any particular reason Andres?Quote:
I guess I'll stick to my vote for now.
Did you read the rest of my post?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
*sigh*
I'll elaborate a bit more: 1) because he stated the obvious without actually contributing much to the discussion 2) because he said he had an eye on some players: those that bandwagoned + those who are lurking and "should know better", yet he doesn't attack any of them. It seems like he is holding himself, like he doesn't want to vote. It's a post that looks helpful, but in fact isn't. He also says it's good to generate discussion, because it forces people to take a stand, yet he doesn't take a stand himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Me, two posts above your post Ichigo, in the same post you quoted
If you call 5 minutes in class plenty of timeQuote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Well actually you shouldnt be on the .Org during class.....do more work :whip:Quote:
Originally Posted by Twilightblade
Ichi let's out a big long yawnQuote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Do we really have to do this? You bandwagoned him. yawns He voiced his suspicions why does he need to attack them? For that matter where have you attacked anyone? Give me a donut Andres. I think I deserve a donut.
Blindly following Sasaki, never a good idea. MAKE A STAND ANDRES DO IT!!
Vote: Inchigo
I agree with Andres, putting the pressure and focus on those who lurk, everyone knowing that I am one of them :2thumbsup: (Lurker pride!!!) doesnt really have any affect. Maybe you should focus on those who are
actually active because there is a greater chance that they are planning or maybe already going to do something. I dare say this true for Sasaki but thats pretty much the way he plays and it was actually a good test on who would actually follow such lack of evidence. Also general disscussion doesnt really force people to act or to speak, cause may people dont really like to be forced, but for us lurkers, it just gives us abother reason to stay away.
Now this is suspicious. Distrust of discussion and wanting to suppress it? Classic scum strategy, and this newbie doesn't even know how to disguise it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarathos
Unvote: Beefy187
Vote: Sarathos
I voted him because the detective revealed, how is that bandwagoning? Sheesh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
I gave my reasons why I sticked to my vote for Don. I think it's clear enough.
Off course, I can always vote Kage or you for calling me a monkey in the chat ~;) Or Husar...
Sarathos can hardly be called a newbie. You have been away far too long Pannonian...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
:dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarathos
Stifling discussion is never good for the town - you know better than that, mate...
Unvote: Husar; Vote: Sarathos
Sarathos needs to explain what he really meant by that post. Are you against discussion? If so, how should we detect the mafia in your opinion?
HoS: Sarathos
Too much posting, not enough rage-quitting. He is already playing vastly different from games when he is townie.
right lads!! dont worry i am here:clown:
apologies for not posting for like couple hours..
Today i had to stay at school for drama practice and i didnt have a time on computer during lessons. When i got home i realised i left my pair of glasses somewhere so im using my old weak one.. I dont really want to go on computer with my weak glasses so i was sleeping...
Theres a lots of you who i dont know yet. Nice to meet you im called beefy187 (not 182) just call me beefy. My usual playing style is spamming and getting lynched. I havnt survived yet.. Just to let you know im not creative enough to kill someone with chocolate..
So basically what im trying to say is.. Im innocent if there is anyone who suspects me.. and i will vote abstain on the first turn like i usually did on the first couple games
Vote: abstain
Which got you killed did it not beefy?
yea i really should stop speaking too much.. it seems that playing like i usually do increases my chance of getting killed/lynched 200 percent more:sweatdrop:
Dying doesn't impede one's chances of success in a Mafia game, especially in such as these where the dead are allowed to continue discussion. If you are town, you win if the town wins, whether or not you survive. If you are mafia, you win when the mafia win, whether or not you survive. I've not survived a single completed game so far, but I've won in every one except Kung Fu Mafia. So participate in the discussions as much as you can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
What are you talking about? I took a BIG stand by calling Kagemusha on a very obvious "Have those mafia scum sent in their orders" post right before the first night closed, and in fact, I was the first person to vote, based on exactly that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
I don't mind getting lynched. As I said, somebody has to be. I just don't want the town to throw a round away so I'm highlighting two things that I noticed. If they're obvious to you, Andres, wonderful, but they may not have been obvious to everyone.
<Not defensive, but a little sore for being declared overtly obvious>.
hmm 6 pagers of disscussion and no clear targets, the only real possibility i can see would be Sasaki Kojiro as it looks to me like he implicated don to get attention away from himself and then goes back on that to look like a townie.
so for the time being Vote: Sasaki
Ok, but is there any good reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarathos
Well, whether someone hints at it subtly like Sasaki did or gives you a full reveal with faked PMs doesn't really make any evidence, I'd also like to see your "evidence" for voting Ichigo because right now you seem a bit hypocritical at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarathos
On the other hand, you lurkers are a danger because we can hardly say anything about you, there's usually no evidence against anyone but it's hard to get a feeling for someone who doesn't post at all. There's also a reason for the existance of the WoG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarathos
7 hours and counting down...
Are we getting close to actually picking any candidates for this lynch?
Two candidates are in the lead with 4 each. then a bunch of 2 votes and 1 votes... this picture can change quickly when the reamining 14 starts to vote.
We have the following current tally:
DonC: 4 (Andres, Brave, Kage, Shlin)
Sasaki: 4 (ByzK, Husar, Tiberius, Xiahou)
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DoH: 2 (Ichigo, Sasaki)
Ichigo: 2 (DoH, Sarothos)
Sarathos: 2 (Pann, sapi)
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Andres: 1 (Woads)
FesterS: 1 (CR)
gkhaan: 1 (Stig)
Kage: 1 (DonC)
Lemur: 1 (Kommodus)
Pra Tha: 1 (Lemur)
Woads: 1 (gkhaan)
Xiahou: 1 (Xdeath)
Abstains: 1 (Beefy)
Not voting: 14
(GvI, CountA, Disco, Dutch, Fester, Frag, Ingoramus, Killfr, PraTha, Prole, RoadK, Tran, Twilight, Warmaster)
I would say Sarathos is the best lynch. So far he is the only one playing out of character.
Unvote Don Corlene, Vote Sarathos
Lurkers=never good
Sounds reasonable. On the other hand, that early in the game, any statement can be made to vote somebody without running the risk of a closer examiniation. You took stand allright, but at a moment were it didn't really matter. Besides, I wasn't talking about that particular post. It's the post I quoted we are talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Anyway, how about the people who jumped on the bandwagon against you? Why do we need to keep an eye on them? On which one in particular? And why that one and not the others? Talk, name a suspect :whip:
Off course you don't. Nobody does. We are all innocent and we want the town to win, hence why nobody of us doesn't mind getting lynched or killed. Nobody is mafia in this game, we are all playing pro-town... :stupido3:Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
You said that provoking discussion is good for the town: obvious. Most of the discussion is going on between a small percentage of players: obvious. We need everybody to talk, including the lurkers: obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
I cannot state something different than that it was obvious that you were stating nothing but the obvious in the quoted post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
:shrug:
unvote,vote:Don Corleone
his defence is off. He's a bit too eager to profess his innocence and doesn't seem his usual self.
Too eager to profess his innocence? What's he supposed to do, hint at being guilty? I don't think he's acting out of the ordinary at all.
FoS: Sasaki
Unvote: Lemur (see, that wasn't so hard, was it?)
Vote: Husar
I think I agree with the earlier comments of Andres and sapi; his comments seem just a bit overly defensive. He was one of the players I was mildly suspicious of.
Also, FoS: Sasaki for casting what looks to me like a tie-breaking vote against Don Corleone. I don't think either player should be lynched this round, yet for some reason they're the frontrunners. :inquisitive:
Okay, well I don't know the other two gents, so I'd say ANDRES for starters is acting the most suspiciuosly. I caught you in a lie, claiming I hadn't made an argument against anybody, and you shrug it off and say "but you didn't answer one specific post I made, forget what I claimed in the general sense". How very lawyerly of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
I actually don't think Sasaki is acting suspiciously. Even if he is innocent, and even if he believes I am, he'd want to save his skin. He'll probably feel a bit guilty for getting me lynched, but hey, somebody has to go first. Sasaki always has a "I'll help you if I can, but if its you or me, its me" attitude. Throwing me under the bus is par for the course for him.
But HUSAR also is acting pretty strangely. Not as strangely as Andres, but still... it's very odd for him to go after somebody so vehemently with nothing. And I'm not saying that because it's me. Just be prepared for this ghost to haunt the two of you for the rest of the game, because as mafia, the two of you stink. :thumbsdown: Way, way, way too obvious. I know you are, Andres, and I strongly suspect Husar is your sidekick, but I don't know that to be true.
Well... Husar was third on the bandwagon (not counting Sasaki). :yes:
Now, that wasn't difficult, was it Don?
Unvote : Don Corleone
Actually you didn't. I was talking about one particular post, you mentioned another, previous post I wasn't referring too. Not "lawyerly", at most a simple misunderstanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Actually, he gave a reason for his vote. He didn't just vote to save his skin imo. He has done that before, but then he did it without giving a reason or he voted just saying something in the lines of "I'm innocent, so better lynch someone else."Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
That's a lie. I don't stink. I took a shower this morning and put up deodorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
And Husar is indeed acting suspicious.
EDIT : Vote : Husar
Im sticking with Don. I might be wrong,but i posted my post becouse it was ment as bate and i still think Don bit it.:yes:
A bit longer than that, actually. I'll probably close it at around Midnight GMT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
New tally:
Sasaki: 4 (ByzK, Husar, Tiberius, Xiahou)
DonC: 3 (Brave, Kage, Sasaki)
Sarathos: 3 (Pann, sapi, shlin)
Husar: 2 (Kommodus, Andres)
Ichigo: 2 (DoH, Sarothos)
DoH: 1 (Ichigo)
Andres: 1 (Woads)
FesterS: 1 (CR)
gkhaan: 1 (Stig)
Kage: 1 (DonC)
Pra Tha: 1 (Lemur)
Woads: 1 (gkhaan)
Xiahou: 1 (Xdeath)
Abstains: 1 (Beefy)
Not voting: 14
(GvI, CountA, Disco, Dutch, Fester, Frag, Ingoramus, Killfr, PraTha, Prole, RoadK, Tran, Twilight, Warmaster)
Meh, I'll stick to Don as well.
Unvote : Husar
Vote : Don Corleone.
Sorry for the vote switching GH.
Edit : tally
Sasaki: 4 (ByzK, Husar, Tiberius, Xiahou)
DonC: 4 (Brave, Kage, Sasaki, Andres)
Sarathos: 3 (Pann, sapi, shlin)
Ichigo: 2 (DoH, Sarothos)
DoH: 1 (Ichigo)
Andres: 1 (Woads)
FesterS: 1 (CR)
gkhaan: 1 (Stig)
Kage: 1 (DonC)
Pra Tha: 1 (Lemur)
Woads: 1 (gkhaan)
Xiahou: 1 (Xdeath)
Husar: 1 (Kommodus)
Why FoS and not Vote ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
What the ... kill the people who are most active in discussion? Dude, I've seen mafia games like that. Guess how it looks when only the lurkers are left? Ghost town. Silence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarathos
Very strange reasoning on your part, Sarathos. Could be any number of motivations for it, but I'm going to assume the worst.
Unvote: Pra Tha
Vote: Sarathos
Interesting play going on here.
I wouldn’t post my suspicions in this round as I was eagerly awaiting the results of night 2.
But it is obvious that my killer knows me and hence is not a newbie to this game. Just look at the write up. My question to GH would be: who wrote the kill description? Is it all GH? I am a bit reluctant to point out all the flaws since this could be the case.
The hole in the ground is a very similar kill to a kill in a previous game where an Ox got mad at a red handkerchief. Remember this?
To decide to get me in the first round puts suspicion firstly on Sasaki. Last time the mafia decided this, there was a tie between the Mafia and the town. Sasaki was on the mafia side. Maybe he wants a rematch of wits.
Andres or Husar would also be candidates as this prank would be right up their alley .
Another player that twigs my gut feeling is Pannonian. He has been asking us to join the TWC games to show those guys how real veterans play. Well I guess as he mentioned in one of his earlier posts in this round, that it is another ball park when dead players are allowed to participate in the discussion. Who better to show them what the dangers are than kill off the one player that two times previously made life difficult (more interesting) for the mafia when off’d in the first round.
Another suspect would have been GH, but he is hosting.
FoS: Andres for vote switching to his buddy in crime and then realising his mistake, puts a tie back on Sasaki.
I will be unable to answer any questions of this sort until after the game is over. :grin:Quote:
My question to GH would be: who wrote the kill description?
Sooo ...Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
You don't mind if I dissect the writups? It could get nasty.
By all means, but you won't know whether it's the mafia's work or the host's blundering.