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You made a princess an heir. A princess can be married off to whomever the Kaiser wishes. Whomever the princess marries will be Duke. This opens up the possibility for the next Duke of Franconia to be Bavarian, Swabian, Austrian, or even Russian, Egyptian, Byzantine, ect...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
There is a lot to discuss IC about this. :yes:
Heheh, which puts the future power of Franconia at the Kaiser, not at Ansehelm. Which in a way will make any action a Franconian takes to undermine the power Ansehelm an action to undermine the Kaiser. And every action to have a say in who will become the new heir an action against the Kaiser.
I think that's the explanation you're looking for. ~D
Its not like Siegfried, albeit confirmed by the diet, is that popular with the people. Some still question his authority I'm sure.
Oh yes, so true, but he is the Kaiser ... sides you can switch heirs if you want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
And Ansehelm did not give this explanation to the people. He just wanted someone young.
Tough choice:
Son of a traitor
Daughter of someone who's actions are more than controversial
Which is why I think it was an awesome move OOC. It makes a lot of sense and the rules certainly support it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
You just have to understand why some people would freak out IC though. :yes:
Many of us play avatars that are pretty racist and provincial so the idea of an "outsider" being in charge of a Duchy might not sit well with them. For the most part, we don't play open-minded characters. :laugh4:
Jan is a racist imperialist as well as a hard-core fundamentalist. He can't just let this go without saying something. He's just waiting for Elberhard's legal advice first. :beam:
Hmm he could have made one of the Hamburgs his heir, but I don't think he really likes them.
If I were Ansehelm, I'd probably make Peter Steward for the time being, but making sure he really obeys your commands. When Ansehelm actually turns around 50 or is about to enter a major battle, its time to reconsider.
He likes Helmut but Helmut is older than Ansehelm. And Peter will be steward till the girl marries. Like I said, its all pat OOC but it makes for good IC drama. :drama2:Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
Hooray for Bavarian simplicity.
All this talk of whom Gersenda could marry reminds me something I noticed the other day. Scotland's only remaing province is Ireland, which in one of the recent saves is completely undefended. But the King of the Scots is on the mainland, and would become rebel if Dublin is take and thus able to be bribed into the Reich, than married into the family.
Imagine, going from King of Scotland to Duke of Franconia. :2thumbsup:
Very interesting idea Cecil! Has anyone actually pulled this off in a campaign before?
Okay just fought battle and won a heroic battle, but........the French besieges with another army. The English though moved near Caen and may either be helping us against the French or backstabbing us.
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Once again, I am too lazy to do a battle report so heres what happened
The French got my gate down and everyone rushed in. One side was my infantry all bunched up and the other my cavalry which is basically Frederich. The infantry engaged and the cav was supposed to make a nice charge into the back for mass rout, but the French got control of part of the walls and stopped my result. I retreated with my cav, but the enemy general followed. I led him out and then engaged in a general v general match. I won easily since I was like 2 gold chevrons and hes a new general. What followed was mass route and just cleaning up routers.
The Chancellor's report for 1288 has been updated.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=269
1290 will commence shortly.
Actually, I just got that to work in my recent Spanish Campaign. When I conquored the Portuguese their King Tillman Diaz was outside the settlement. I bribed him, then married him off to a princess. Long story short, he went from King of Portugal to rebel to King of Spain. So it's quite possible and the role-playing oppurtunities would be fantastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tamur
Battle Queue 1290
Please check for the latest save.
First come, first serve. Battle stats including ratio would be appreciated. Post when you take and post a link when you upload.
Peter von Kastilien
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Lothar Steffen
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Edmund Becker - Completed
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Friedrich Scherer - Optional
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I have a feeling I'm posting in the wrong spot.
But after "skimming" through the rules and such, I think this has caught enough of my attention to join. So I would like to join in to the Swabia, west. (I'm hoping to get most of the action here)
Welcome Roadkill, and this is as good a place as any to join. I'm sure that we can find a spot for you somewhere in Swabia, econ probably has a better Idea of where things stand on that front.
Well, theres plently of fighting on the western front here. Angers is just a troop producing factory since we gave them so much money and I often have to fend off full stacks with relatively high quality troops. Holding settlements actually become quite tiresome as you can't move anywhere else because a full stack may jump out any time and besiege a city
Hi Roadkill - welcome to the PBM! Unfortunately, we have a dearth of avatars available; there is only one spare - an Austrian and Stuperman has his eyes on that chap, as his present avatar is waiting for death.
At a pinch, we can hire a recruitable general for you but the downside of that is that you won't appear on the family tree and the recruitable may crowd out proper avatars that the game spawns (we have a large number of provinces - I think we are due more avatars).
What I suggest is that you wait a turn or two to see if one of our two eligible females in the family tree get married. You can then thake the husband. There's a Swabian and a Bavarian who are of the right age to marry. I just clicked end turn twice and:
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I know you want a Swabian, but I hope you can be persuaded to take the Bavarian if she marries first as that House has only four players (soon to be three when Stuperman's avatar dies). By contrast, Swabia has six. I am sure the Bavarians and Swabians will be able to work something out whereby you see action in the west if that is what you want.
There will always be a Swabian general on the western front though. Scherer is doing most of the fightning atm, but hes 47 right now and should die in about two more chancellorships so there will be a huge vulnerability in Swabian defences. I think Roadkill wants to be Swabian so he can fight some major battles and I believe that the Bavarians don't have that much fighting in their future.
Actually come to think of it, after Scherer dies, I may end up taking an extended leave from Kotor until like around Thanksgiving after which I hope the game is still going on and I should be not as busy
I am taking the save.
Well, I do highly prefer fighting at the west side against France and such, and I don't really have much intrest in fighting the Italians. But if its a high percentage I wont be able to join the Swabians then I guess I have no choice but to join the south, but thats if its impossible for me to join the west.
Bavaria actually boarders the French, Marseilles is Bavarian, and we do owe them for it's defence.
I know, Scherer has been doing sterling work. But he does now have Dietrich and Athalwolf nearby in Paris, Wolfgang in Rheims and Hans on the way from the Holy Land. I think the vulnerability, in terms of avatars, in the west is ending.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xdeathfire
By contrast, when Gerhard Steffen dies, there will be only two Bavarians in Europe.
Swabia and Franconia have had the lion's share of avatars in the game - I would like to beef up Austria and Bavaria, if possible.
Partly, I am thinking ahead to the "cataclysmic event" we've discussed. We'll vote on this OOC in the next Diet, but if we do go for it, the Bavaria will become a key battleground again (our Italian cities are not so loyal).
Let's wait a couple of turns to see if an avatar turns up. If not, we'll hire a recruitable Swabian general for you. I am sure you can persuade the Chancellor, Overknight, to send you to the West to earn your spurs regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roadkill
Okay, Econ21 its all up to you. I'll join the south if I have to then.
hang on...
is there a Princess available for marrying right now?
Battles fought and won. Upload here:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1290-1.zip
Not yet. King Jan panicked because he thought there was the possibility that there might be a Muslim Duke of Franconia in the future. You have to understand, he's got the "grand crusader" trait, 9 piety, and is King of Outremer so he is pretty sensitive to this sort of thing, no matter how slim the possibility. Once Elberhard assured him that the Duke had to be German, Jan dropped the case with relief. This was totally an IC concocted event due to my character's traits. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by AussieGiant
Right now there are three daughters who will become Princess avatars if their dads are alive when they come of age. 2 for the Kaiser and 1 for the Prince. The eldest one from the Kaiser is technically heiress to the Franconian Ducal throne and will pass that title on to her husband whom a Kaiser will pick for her.
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Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Right then...time to start petitioning the two of them for a hand in marriage!!!
Yeah baby!!
Well, Arnold has a few years to woo them. The girls are all just a couple years old. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by AussieGiant
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Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Ahh crap really??
It's pretty funny all this marriage stuff. The Dread Duke trying to get hitched is such a contrast, it makes me laugh.
I thought Stuperman wanted to take whoever the Bavarian girl marries?
Anyway. By the time those princesses come of age, Arnold has maybe 2-4 turns to sire offspring if he's lucky. Imagine the 58 or so year old Arnold with the newly wed 16 year old princess :laugh4:
The frightening thing is... I can imagine it! eek!
So, whats going to happen to me?
You'll get an avatar, one way or another. Just have a few turns of patience :)
Okay thanxs.
Well, I was actually holding off making any decision until Gerhard was dead. Roadkill is free to take any Avatar he wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
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Originally Posted by FactionHeir
The lecherous old bastard would sell half his fortune by that time!!!
What a horrid thought :laugh4:
And if he marries the Franconian girl, wouldn't that make him Duke of Austria and Duke of Franconia, with the added possibility of becoming Emperor?! :laugh4:
Well the last is just hyperbole, but still I find it amusing, added to the age difference and all.
Welcome, Roadkill! Don't join Swabia, the Kaiser hates them. :beam:
(Just joking, I love you guys!)
Arnold used to running most of the Austrian show. I'm sure he would be happy with a line to the Emperorship.
Franconia...someone else can have that :laugh4:
Yeah right you love us Swabians :inquisitive: :wink:
Actually, it seems the next heir is already decided (as of a few turns ago anyway when I tested using killing)
Would be fun to see Arnold as Duke of two houses though, even if only for a short time.
Two houses...yeah that would be something to see even if for only a short time.
So at the moment Econ is the heir right?
Yeah.
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Hell, that sucks.
Oh well.
Well if I join Bravia will I get a lot of fighting? becuase if I do I would gladly like to join Bravia.
Heheh, not really. Bavaria is kinda out of enemies soon
Austria would be the better option.
But if I do join Austria, wouldn't that mean I would be fighting Hungary and Poland? I don't want to fight horse archers :sweatdrop:
Austria fights Hungary
Franconia fights Denmark, Poland and Russia
Swabia fights France
Bavaria fights Sicily, till they are off the European Mainland (I suspect that after that Bavaria will use one of it's HA's to start aiding other Duchies, attacking Southern France for example)
You want my avatar? :laugh4:
I don't mind HAs.
Roadkill, given Stuperman said you can have a free choice of avatars, I can offer you Wilhelm Heidelberg now. He's our only spare avatar and an Austrian. You can read about his traits in the Library. He looks fine to me. He is based in Vienna right now and has an alchemist, making him good with gunpowder weapons. Perhaps you could persuade the Chancellor to create a gun-heavy army for him?
As an Austrian, you would mainly fight Hungarians but also perhaps Poles - Krakow is near to Vienna and Budapest, and there are large Polish armies there.
The Hungarians seem to be fielding a lot of dismounted knights. The Poles used to specialise in Polish nobles, who are like javelin armed knights and so pretty formiddable.
I would advise you to accept Wilhelm, as the East seems a little less crowded with avatars than the West and AussieGiant, the Duke of Austria, is an active role-player so you may find it a lively House. It certainly needs more members.
If you don't want Wilhelm, we will stick with plan A - see what happens in the next two turns and if nothing comes up, hire a recruitable general.
Stig, the Bavarians still got the Spanish to worry about. Unless the fleet is strong enough to sink every fleet they throw at the HRE.
So is it still in the plan to ask for peace or vassalage with the Sicilians once they are kick out of Italy?
Okay Wheilm is okay, he has pretty high peit and loyalty, despite the fact he has 1 command point and 1 chivalrous, but thats fine. My only problem is his age though, oh well I'll take him.
Aww, you know you want it...Quote:
Originally Posted by AussieGiant
;)
dude, im so glad im franconian. u can hide ur anger and "righteous indignation" behind being cranky from the cold weather
speak for yourself, Jan has never seen cold weather his whole adult life. He has to use the heat as his excuse. ^_^Quote:
Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921
Yeah, but for something like that you only need 1 HAQuote:
Originally Posted by StoneCold
I believe that once was the plan yesQuote:
Originally Posted by StoneCold
He can always come back and try to fight Danes ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by PrivateerKev
Soldier: "Sir, we must attack now."
Jan: "But it's so cold, and there is no sand. What is this white stuff anyway? Why are my fingers blue? And my sword feels so cold, I don't dare to touch it."
Dude, I don't think Jan has ever shivered in his whole life. The cold would make him grumpy. And a grumpy Jan would not be good for anyone. :no:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
And Ansehelm in Outremer would be equally as amusing.
Ansehelm as he talks to a crusader: "so, when it turns to night, it gets cooler right? no? It gets down to 106 degrees!?! Thats cool!?! And what is this stuff that keeps blowing around and getting in my armor? It itches! Sand!?! And what do you mean the King won't let me execute 2400 people at once? He said I'll lose my army command if I do!?! How are we supposed to conquer these lands if we keep releasing prisoners!?! What!?! We aren't allowed to conquer?!?"
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Let me put it like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Ansehelm thinks Rome is a bloody hot place and he thinks the Diet should be move to somewhere above the Alps so he can sit outside in the nice warm snow.
warm snow? o_OQuote:
Originally Posted by Stig
Our characters truly do come from two different worlds...
Jan = :egypt:
Ansehelm = :viking:
I'm jealous, yours animates... ^^
haha all the while peter is sitting up in breslau hunting frostbitten babies for sport
Great - I've put you on the playlist.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadKill
You might want to make your introductions in the Diet and in the House of Austria thread, then feel free to hang out in the Tavern. It would be a good idea to sign up in the sticky active duty thread. To be on active duty right now, you need to have 1.2 (not Kingdoms or 1.3) loaded and installed Factionheir's modded vice n virtue files (it's very simple and does not stop you playing unmodded games). We will switch to 1.3 at the next Diet (5 turns time).
Wilhelm's first order of business should probably be to get himself knighted. That means being in a stack in a battle. You probably should PM Overknight so that you can head towards Budapest and the 2nd Austrian Household Army.
It's a good idea to periodically upload savegames - you can find them in the uploader (see the filespace sticky:)
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=29005
Ours are all called kotr.... and then have the date. Sort the filespace by date and you will easily find the latest save.
Econ, I'm extremly terrible with this type of stuff, so a lot of the things need to be taught to me, so it would be nice if you or anyone can guide me through each step. for example, I have no idea how to upload or do anything with the save games.
No problem. Try to load this savegame:Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadKill
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1290-1.zip
First off, click on the above link and then "save as" into a directory on your computer. It will take 10 or 20 seconds to download
Once you have the file kotr1290-1.zip on your computer, you will need a file to unzip it and extract out the kotr1290-1.sav file compressed within it. Using google or something you can find free trial versions of Winzip or Powerarchiver on the web that can unzip files, if you don't already have such a program. You need to extract the kotr1290-1.sav file into the saves folder of whichever directory you installed M2TW into. (The default folder is C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War)
After that, when you load up M2TW, you should find a kotr1290-1 save in your list of campaign savegames.
If you can manage to load up the save, the next step is probably to install Factionheir's mod. The first post of this thread has the link to the mod files, as well as the readme which tells you exactly how to install the modded files.
Let us know if anything is unclear or you get stuck.
Okay, about the mod, I downloaded it and extracted it, the things extracted should be in a folder called KotrFix correct, or should it be inside the data folder? I also have LoC mod installed will this effect me?
You don't have to use a modfolder.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadKill
I personally do, since I have another mod installed.
What I did was put five into my data folder:Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadKill
export_descr_character_traits.txt
export_descr_ancillaries.txt
export_descr_vnvs_enums.txt
export_descr_buildings.txt (OPTIONAL - PBM)
descr_campaign_db.xml (OPTIONAL - PBM)
And then two in a folder in my data folder named "text"
export_ancillaries.txt.string.bin
export_VnVs.txt.strings.bin
I also have LoC installed, but I think that keeps all its own files in a separate subdirectory, so you should be fine.Quote:
I also have LoC mod installed will this effect me?
And please do make sure you have 1.27 installed and not 1.26.
Any questions about mods/modding, pm me.
I just downloaded the one listed on the first page, is that the right one?
Yup it is.
I know I'm asking a million question, sorry, but what shall i do now?
To recap - have you managed to install Factionheir's mod and load up the save?Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadKill
If yes, then you are ready to roll. Have a look at the HRE situation and then feel free to contribute to the role-playing threads; maybe even write a story in the story thread about your character. In terms of the M2TW game, you will need to be knighted (that means you avatar serves with distinction under the command of another player), but after that may be called upon to fight battles.
If no, let us know where you are stuck.
Yup, I have done all the installation and saves. I took a look at the game already as well, and checked out the surrounding, I also realized my avatar is 40 years old.....thats pretty old. So just checking I don't touch the game at all for now right? So basically at this stage I just need to contribute to the threads and such?Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
Yes, it's not ideal but avatars tend to live until around 60, so you will see about 40 turns, 4 Diets, which is enough to be worth investing in.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadKill
Yes - nobody touches the game unless the Chancellor (Overknight) gives them marching orders. You are free to PM Overknight in character to try to get some action.Quote:
So just checking I don't touch the game at all for now right? So basically at this stage I just need to contribute to the threads and such?
Hi RK!
Yeah, right now you just load up the games to check out the situation. You won't play unless you get into a battle which you probably can't do until you get knighted (which means have your avatar in someone else's battle like econ said)
Until then, catch up on threads as much as you'd like. The Diet and the Tavern are good places to say stuff. PM people in your house. I see you posted in your house thread which is good. Read the stories for fun but thats mainly OOC information. In general, just participate as much as you feel like, have fun, and ask questions on here. :beam:
We're in a kinda slow period right now so please be patient and things will pick up when we get near the next Diet session. Your Duke is quite active in the game and will be more than willing to interact with you. He's quite a colorful character... :yes:
*edit*
oops, econ posted his as I was writing this so mine is a little extraneous.
Yah, I'm loving how "in-character" everyone gets into the game, it makes it so realistic. The writing also is amazing, the creativity, everything. Just another quick question about the stories. Does a special event have to occur, before you can right a story, or can you just write a story about anything, (like can I just make it up) becuase I'm quite bored right now and I don't mind writing one.
Write whatever you want, whenever you want. As long as it doesn't do anything to someone else's avatar (unless they agree beforehand) there are pretty few limits on what you can do.
If the 'event' occurs, everyone will see action, it doesn't matter where you are. Also, regarding recruitable generals, we will probably have to get used to them if we do the 'event'. The number of provinces will drop sharply, at least for a short time, which will end new births, marriages, and adoptions. In order to keep the number of avatars stable, we will have to use recruitables. We may simply have to accept the fact that the family tree portrait in-game is no longer important; not a serious sacrifice given the rewards that the 'event' will produce. It will also give people the ability to get a new avatar anytime they want in any House they want without the need to wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
I was originally against recruitables, but the more I see it the more I think we should always have been using them. Being without an avatar can really reduce your immersion in the game. I think we should mod the game to include recruitables from turn 1 in any future game we play.
While I agree in principle, one should then also mod the birth rates, so that the 'normal' guys still produce offspring. If the many character deaths of this game haven't shown it, there's never too much characters. With many avatars not on the family tree, the urge to get married into royalty gets a lot greater. It will mean something to get on that family tree. If only all female offspring could be married that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Anywho, I'm rambling about stuff that won't be important for another six months or so.
I disagree, generals are simply inferior to family members. Furthermore, if the number of avatars doesn't decrease then that eliminates a good deal of that actual cataclysm. Increasing the birth and marriage rates makes more sense as a work-around since it keeps the family tree intact and retains the randomness that helps so much in creating good drama.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
More importantly, I think the integrity of the family tree needs to be maintained. Perhaps some small sacrifices should be made now since we are already so far in, but I would be very much against allowing recruitable generals in the next PBEM. It's is a great thing to be able to look at each entry in the family tree and see a real personality with goals, successes, quirks, and failures. That can't be done with recruitable generals.
Basically, we shouldn't make the game accomodate us. It should be the other way around. The OOC dictates of the game should be the IC wrath of God.
I'd also like to know if recruiting generals fills up a slot that could have gone to a family member.
EDIT: I just read Ituralde's post, and he makes a lot of sense. It gives me a good idea for a compromise in the form of a 'House of Commons' for generals and a 'House of Lords' for family members.
I agree with Cecil, normal generals are generals. They are of lower nobility, not from the Royal Family. They are proven commanders, experienced maybe, that's as you should see them. They aren't family members, and unless they marry into a family they will never be able to become Duke or the like.
I'd say they can't even become counts.
I'm not sure about recruiting generals from day one for two reasons:
1. This may heavily unbalance the game if we have lots of people wanting to join.
2. If we do start a new one I think it should be on Kingdoms as either New Spain or the Teutonic order (as most people will have it by then) and in most of the campaigns new generals pop up quite often (especially as New Spain) so there wouldn't be much need for recruitment
Edit: and I like the idea of the House of commons and of Lords and yh it would be cool if they had to be adopted or married into the family to become anything higher than a knight
Don't agree that the new PBM should be on Kingdoms, not everyone has it, sides it only has 6 factions or so per campaign.