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10-10-2007, 03:03
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stig

Nah, it because of the roleplaying of the characters.
Fritz, Ansehelm and Peter are more or less the same, but that also means their different. Being dreaded they care most about themselves. Dieter is in the Outremer and Tancred (and DG) has gone missing.

Sides I personally don't bother to post there anymore, can't Jan give up his position of King (there's no Kingdom anyway) to make it more active ~D

Yeah, but I theorize that it had at least partly to do with a semi-active duke (Gunther and Scherer). It's not just that the Franconians have dread. Austria and Bavaria have dread too but they have Duke's that have been really active for a long time. Ansehelm inherited a Duchy that always seemed a touch independent so he can't change it overnight. He is trying though and it seems to be working a little as evidenced by Dieter moving over to Saxony (he is presently walking up through Austria).

As for Jan being Franconian, he still is obviously. But, he sees his role as King as being an independent operative answerable to the Kaiser. That and the falling out between Jan and Ansehelm made that split easier. Peter's, Fritz's, and Tancred's recent actions have all made Jan feel even more split from his Duchy. Plus, the mere existence of Outremer provides Jan with an "out" where he can concentrate on that and leave the Ducal politics behind. So, the point of all of this is, he could post in thread but probably won't.
10-10-2007, 03:40
gibsonsg91921

Re: Out of character thread XIV

yeah, peter will do that
10-10-2007, 05:37
Tamur

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I am taking the save. I regret that the people of Stettin are about to feel the wrath. But Fritz looks on the bright side... at least we'll have a well-laid out graveyard!
10-10-2007, 06:06
OverKnight

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I guess inciting revolt is a two-edged sword. :laugh4:

Remember putting heads on stakes is more economical than using pikes.
10-10-2007, 06:24
Tamur

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Fought and won. Stettin sacked for about 9400 florins, save is here:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1316-1.zip

I didn't see any other saves besides 1316_try, so that's what I based from. Hopefully that was ok. I will post up stats asap tomorrow, but for now I've got to sleep a bit.

Quote:

Remember putting heads on stakes is more economical than using pikes.

lol! luckily I had a lot of dead spearmen around at the end of the battle, which made it all very economical.
10-10-2007, 06:29
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

the people of stettin were just following Fritz's example... :yes:

At least he didn't exterminate em. :beam:
10-10-2007, 07:12
Ignoramus

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Sorry Warluster, but we'll have to do a table-top style battle. My older brother has a lot of assignments due in the next four days, and as only his computer can run MTW2 I won't be able to do a multiplayer.

I assume econ's running it?
10-10-2007, 07:44
Warluster

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I don't mind, I was slightly panicking at the idea of a mulitplayer battle anyway.
10-10-2007, 08:04
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Yes, I will oversee the table top battle.

I intend to take back the save tonight. Not many people have taken the opportunity to fight their battles or send me new orders. But there will be another 24 hours tomorrow for the battles and I guess most people think their orders given in 1314 still apply (I did ask for their orders when most moves on the map had been made).

One possible device for giving orders is to specify the coordinates of where you want your character to be. To find the coordinates of a point, put your cursor there, open the console (pressing ' on my keyboard) and type show_cursorstat. This might be useful in a very tactical situation or where there are no obvious landmarks. No guarantees I will place you there, but it will at least clarify your intentions.
10-10-2007, 09:38
Stig

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Going to fight my battle this afternoon
10-10-2007, 11:38
Northnovas

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by econ21

I intend to take back the save tonight. Not many people have taken the opportunity to fight their battles or send me new orders. But there will be another 24 hours tomorrow for the battles and I guess most people think their orders given in 1314 still apply (I did ask for their orders when most moves on the map had been made).

The Austrians, Cecil is waiting for the AI turn for a defensive battle at Bucharest.
10-10-2007, 12:22
TinCow

Re: Out of character thread XIV

If Warmaster Horus cannot fight, Bavaria would be most grateful if the siege of Thessalonica were simply abandoned and his army began its march back home. It would seem... strange for this siege to continue otherwise.
10-10-2007, 12:34
Warmaster Horus

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I'm working on it. I'll take the save in about 45 minutes.

Sorry for taking so long...

EDIT: okay, forget it. Issues... There will be no thessalonica battle. The siege will be abandonned, and Friedrich should be going back to Bavaria.
10-10-2007, 15:44
Stig

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Taking the save
10-10-2007, 16:23
Stig

Re: Out of character thread XIV

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1316-2.rar

Fought and won
10-10-2007, 16:37
AussieGiant

Re: Out of character thread XIV

So do we know the details of how the treasury was taken?

I'm always unsure about how much we can take from the stories.

Can anyone give me a hint?
10-10-2007, 16:40
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

when in doubt, say you heard a rumor. ^_^
10-10-2007, 16:48
Stig

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I never use things from Stories IC ... as Ansehelm cannot hear a story in Adana

btw Econ, going to send you orders in a bit
10-10-2007, 16:54
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Well, you try to use your best judgment. A story about two people having a conversation is probably secret and you shouldn't use it. A story about an event that you were not at, is different. People talk. People hear things. You can claim that you heard something as a rumor. Doesn't have to even be true. It's a rumor. Though the use of rumors could effect how your perceived by others. Just like real life.

As for the money heist, it is the diet speaker himself that started the rumor. you can definitely use that. There are rumors that the Kaiser and Empress took the money. And there is a rumor that the Empress is missing. Details about the heist is probably still OOC knowledge unless someone "investigates".

*edit*

ok, the empress missing is not a rumor. The Diet Speaker was pretty clear about that. But her participation in the heist is a rumor unless/until someone investigates or econ reveals more.
10-10-2007, 17:01
Tamur

Re: Out of character thread XIV
Fritz uses the golden rules of unchivalrous behaviour:
- any rumour defaming your enemies is true
- any rumour exposing your own guilt is false
- anyone who does not play by these rules is an enemy
Makes life very simple, really. Also sounds like a supervisor I had a couple of years back.
10-10-2007, 17:09
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

with the story thread, i always go the safe route and assume that Jan would not know it IC. Then, I look at every fact and try to think if Jan would know it IC. Then I try to see if there is enough to start an "investigation". If I feel like it, I'll pm the GM and state my case as to how and why Jan is investigating. The GM will decide whether it is valid. Then I may or may not get permission to pretend that OOC knowledge is now IC knowledge. Then I can have Jan act on it.

It's how Jan rescued Matthias. I read the story but only knew it OOC. TC and I were able to figure out what our character's knew from it IC and start from there. TC decided that the battle-site would be reasonably easy for the Adana garrison to find and sent that information to Jan. (he pretended the Adana garrison told Lothar. Then Lothar told Jan.) I asked Econ IC and OOC if Jan could investigate. Due to my avatar being so close, Econ signed off on it. He then gave me permission to treat OK's story as IC information. Jan also wrote Theodora a letter and asked her to look into it. Econ replied IC as Theodora and told Jan even more information. Then Jan acted off of that by rescuing Matthias.
10-10-2007, 17:14
Stig

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Well, you try to use your best judgment. A story about two people having a conversation is probably secret and you shouldn't use it. A story about an event that you were not at, is different. People talk. People hear things. You can claim that you heard something as a rumor. Doesn't have to even be true. It's a rumor. Though the use of rumors could effect how your perceived by others. Just like real life.

Aye, something like that yes
If I write a story it's most of the time about things Ansehelm thinks about ... no-one knows those things.
However I sometimes also create some sort of background story (Schloss Folklung, Gert von Runstede, many small skirmishes with Poles leading to a battle (while in real there was only one big battle)) ... and those are more or less known to others.
10-10-2007, 17:20
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

With the heist story, I think pretty much all of it would be public. Captain Jan would find out the Treasury caravan had disappeared - the abandoned wagons on the road to Naples would be uncovered; there would tracks and eye witness stories of riders heading south at haste. It would be pretty clear the Byzantines had grabbed it. Theodora's letter to the Treasury, her disappearance, her "I'll be back" note and the fact that her servant was leading the caravan would all point the finger of suspicion at her setting up the heist.

I can't see any part of the story that would remain unknown - it was written largely from the German - specifically Captain Jan's - point of view. And the good Captain would tell all (well, not a transcript of the conversations, but the essential facts).
10-10-2007, 17:26
TinCow

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by Privateerkev

TC decided that the battle-site would be reasonably easy for the Adana garrison to find and sent that information to Jan. (he pretended the Adana garrison told Lothar. Then Lothar told Jan.)

Actually, the info I gave you came straight from a PM OverKnight sent me telling me what the response was to my inquiries about Matthias' location. I did not invent it.
10-10-2007, 17:35
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Ah, I did not know that. Well, my way would have worked to. I think it would have been entirely reasonable for the Duke of Bavaria to have been given a report from the Adana garrison. Especially finding the battle site. That's what I assumed happened. Well, we all know what happens when you assume...

^_^
10-10-2007, 17:49
TinCow

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Well, that is pretty much what happened. That was info sent to Lothar from Outremer in response to his attempts to find Matthias. The only difference is that OverKnight wrote it, not me.
10-10-2007, 17:53
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

True. My point was, in my opinion, it would have been ok if you had wrote it. Thats all. That is what I originally thought you did. But since I believed it would be reasonable for Lothar to know that IC, I didn't question it.

But, it seems I have been operating off of a faulty assumption the whole time. Story of my life... ^_^
10-10-2007, 18:24
Tamur

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I think if we become any more precise with this discussion, we'll all have very bad flashbacks to graduate school. Heaven forbid!
10-10-2007, 18:26
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

but... I'm in graduate school! o_o

must examine my own assumptions. must examine my own assumptions. must...ect...

*says this while shivering in a fetal position*
10-10-2007, 19:47
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Taking back the save. I am worried about Bucharest and won't end turn until I hear from Cecil, so there may be another battle or two tomorrow.
10-10-2007, 20:17
Northnovas

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by econ21

Taking back the save. I am worried about Bucharest and won't end turn until I hear from Cecil, so there may be another battle or two tomorrow.

If he is unable or does not get back within a reasonable time frame then I will take the save and fight the battle. We did agree that he would fight the Hungarian dogs.
10-11-2007, 00:17
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

We have a defensive battle for 1316 for Matthias Steffen (Overknight):

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1316-5.zip

Report for 1316 coming up soon.
10-11-2007, 00:44
gibsonsg91921

Re: Out of character thread XIV

the package has been dropped. stand by for fall-out.
10-11-2007, 00:56
GeneralHankerchief

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Oh God I wish I wasn't on a boat right now.
10-11-2007, 00:57
gibsonsg91921

Re: Out of character thread XIV

rally to my aid, lutherans!

ironically im a catholic in real life (not a crazy one tho, for all u prejudiced fools! lol)
10-11-2007, 01:08
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

the package has been dropped. stand by for fall-out.

Oh I am waiting for fallout but I'm not seeing any... ;)
10-11-2007, 01:10
gibsonsg91921

Re: Out of character thread XIV

just wait till more lutherans log on lol
10-11-2007, 01:14
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

That whole "mob rule" thing didn't serve you guys too well at the Diet session now did it? ^_^

Without the "banstick", you guys can only yell a lot. Nothing more. :yes:
10-11-2007, 01:17
GeneralHankerchief

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I guarantee you that if we had a Diet session as normally scheduled the pro-Kaiser crowd would experience a significant defeat.
10-11-2007, 01:19
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Only because there has been a script written specifically to honk a lot of people off. ^_^
10-11-2007, 01:37
gibsonsg91921

Re: Out of character thread XIV

peter isnt so ball-less as to ban people who speak. wait until they get violent, then theyre outta here. if jan wants to talk to peter, how about in person?
10-11-2007, 01:39
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Ok, then Peter can call an emergency session if he is really Kaiser/Prince. ^_^

As for Jan, he is back in Outremer. He left to rescue Matthias and hasn't returned to the Diet since. Travel has gotten a lot harder lately.
10-11-2007, 01:43
gibsonsg91921

Re: Out of character thread XIV

haha, well the end of the term is almost here, and i'd annoy so many people OOC that I wouldnt bother. i dont want to slow down the game in an intense spot like now, unless econ is going to be gone or something and it wont move on anyways. besides! hes gamemaster lol i cant unelect him and use my 2-year prerogative lol
10-11-2007, 01:48
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

In other words, Peter doesn't have the authority that he claims he has. ;)

Remember, in-game, we don't know Peter is Prince. So, some won't believe it without proof or word from Elberhard.
10-11-2007, 01:53
RoadKill

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I feel like I'm the only one supporting Peter constantly.
10-11-2007, 01:59
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Oh I have a feeling Peter is getting plenty moral support from behind the scenes. ^_^

He did what a whole lot of characters wanted to do. :yes:
10-11-2007, 02:04
gibsonsg91921

Re: Out of character thread XIV

yeah, nobody else is logged on. i hope a pro-peter guy comes on before FH or econ lol.
10-11-2007, 02:10
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

At the moment, more pro-Peter guys wouldn't do much but add to the yelling in the Diet. Which could be fun but would do nothing to prove Peter's case that he is Prince. ^^
10-11-2007, 02:15
gibsonsg91921

Re: Out of character thread XIV

true, but if enough people are yelling there wont be enough voices to drown them out.

coup d'etat of napoleon, any history buffs?
10-11-2007, 02:21
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

They can yell but they can't actually do anything. Once it stops being fun to debate with them, the clerk will just fade out.

I've been having a blast though. :yes:
10-11-2007, 02:25
gibsonsg91921

Re: Out of character thread XIV

haha. im gonna create a poll thatll last 2-3 days so i can be voted survivor or off the island.
10-11-2007, 02:27
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Or you can just wait until Econ says something IC that will confirm what the M2TW game has declared. ^_^
10-11-2007, 02:35
gibsonsg91921

Re: Out of character thread XIV

well, this is the plot that we're going by as justification. econ and I are working on this, and i came up with the idea to "usurp" the power. but there are backroom dealings between us. why was i released from jail and permitted to speak in the Diet without any fight? maybe if econ wants we can post the meeting between Peter and Elberhard's representative at Peters jail cell in the stories thread, its a nice quick read at least.
10-11-2007, 02:37
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Well, OOC I know something is being worked out but we need to find out IC eventually. It's not that I the player don't believe you. It's just that my character remains wholly unconvinced at the moment.
10-11-2007, 02:40
gibsonsg91921

Re: Out of character thread XIV

yeah, but i dont know if elberhard is going to submit so readily. maybe since he has 2 authority itll roleplay nicely. this is a somewhat democracy, the diet session can get a lot passed if i lobby a nice coalition.
10-11-2007, 03:01
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I think it's time to put the Diet conversation into the OOC thread. :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by gibson

haha i know where its from, its ironic. im pretty left-wing myself, but moderate on some issues

Yeah, I admit seeing my sig underneath Jan's call for divine right to rule is somewhat ironic. :D
10-11-2007, 03:02
gibsonsg91921

Re: Out of character thread XIV

yeah lol

its like under bush's posts, his sig is

"Yale graduate."

o wait, he did graduate from Yale. o god...
10-11-2007, 03:03
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

He is "Skull and Bones". :yes:
10-11-2007, 03:03
gibsonsg91921

Re: Out of character thread XIV

yeah, hes a "Bonehead" alright.
10-11-2007, 03:05
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Along with a lot of his family. Same with John Kerry. That was one of the many amusing things about the 2004 US Presidential election.

You could have a Yale graduate that belonged to the Skull and Bones or,

A Yale graduate that belonged to the Skull and Bones.

Boy I love having "choices" in a democracy...
10-11-2007, 03:08
gibsonsg91921

Re: Out of character thread XIV

yeah dude. ya gotta go ron paul this time around, or unfortunately clinton/obama. im not a clinton fan, but obama wont make it alone it seems.
10-11-2007, 03:09
RoadKill

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Gibson you should've stayed in jail, me and Econ had this crazy thing set up so I can break you out a jail then go on a rampage.
10-11-2007, 03:10
gibsonsg91921

Re: Out of character thread XIV

haha econ let me out tho
10-11-2007, 03:12
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

yeah dude. ya gotta go ron paul this time around, or unfortunately clinton/obama. im not a clinton fan, but obama wont make it alone it seems.

ron paul? heck no. :no:

clinton? um no.

obama? he talks a great game but I have seen little substance. so no.

I feel like I have no heroes... :shame:
10-11-2007, 03:31
TinCow

Re: Out of character thread XIV

What exactly happened with Becker? I thought that battle was going to be fought manually.
10-11-2007, 03:34
gibsonsg91921

Re: Out of character thread XIV

i like the libertarianness of ron paul. hes a little crazy but he beats the crap out of the other repubs, and none of the dems strike me.
10-11-2007, 03:36
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

i like the libertarianness of ron paul. hes a little crazy but he beats the crap out of the other repubs.

Not a fan of libertarian ideology.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TinCow

What exactly happened with Becker? I thought that battle was going to be fought manually.

theory in spoiler

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

I am not at home and can't load up the save game, but something tells me econ used the magical warp machine for Becker
10-11-2007, 06:19
OverKnight

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I will fight my battle after work aprrox 1300 GMT. I took a glance before I left for the job, despite the bridge it looks nasty with all that heavy cav. Judging by the map you think the damn byzzies are cloning Kwarzimen. Must be some weird result from all those gifted cities.

Pray for Matthias
10-11-2007, 06:44
Ignoramus

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Or TC's creating units via the console. Why else does Naples has 8 units of Mercenary Crossbowmen? It could have been worse, who knows what other suprises he has up his sleeve...
10-11-2007, 06:50
OverKnight

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Sometimes when you gift a city to another faction, it ends up with a wonky garrison.

During Otto's term as Chancellor, I gifted Jerusalem to the Papal States. Half the the new garrison was artillery. When I gifted Cagliari to Sicily, the placed filled up with Fuedal Knights, nothing else.

So for some reason when we handed over Outremer the new garrisons ended up with a bunch of Kwarzimans.
10-11-2007, 07:29
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by OverKnight

Pray for Matthias

Ah it doesn't look that hard. :D

They don't have arty so they should just march in a tight row right into your kill zone. All of those horses are pretty much useless for them on a bridge.

I love bridge battles. :yes:

Have fun!
10-11-2007, 07:33
OverKnight

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I'd be happier if I had more than two units of spears. Bridge battles are easy, but I can't take too many casualties due to the local situation. I am uneasy.
10-11-2007, 07:34
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

We'll see about sliding those cannons over to you by the end of 1318. Those will equal things out a bit. :yes:
10-11-2007, 08:09
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

TinCow and I want to impose a news blackout from now on.

Please do not load up the save. If you have to - for example, you have a battle to fight - please do not tell anyone in the Throne room what you see - whether in character or out of character - unless it is specifically confined to what is adjacent to your avatar.

I realise this announcement may be counter-productive. Hear's the rush of a dozen pairs of feet racing to load up the save... :shrug:
10-11-2007, 08:11
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by econ21

TinCowI realise this announcement may be counter-productive. Hear's the rush of a dozen pairs of feet racing to load up the save... :shrug:

Nah, I loaded it already. :laugh4:

*noticed that econ and TC have warped Jan to Cuba in revenge.* o_O

ok, I'll be good...
10-11-2007, 08:46
AussieGiant

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I guess Bucharest was an Auto Resolve no?

Things seem to be going to hell in a hand basket :laugh4:

Arnold's inbound with some comments and orders.
10-11-2007, 13:55
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Since I've asked people not to peak at the savegame, I am unsure how to go about collecting orders for 1318. This will be the last turn under my supervision - then TinCow will take over.

Probably the best I can do is say I will make moves that I think best fit your character's aims and the local situation.

If you want to provide specific direction, please PM me. I'd like to set up any battles tonight and then handover to TinCow tomorrow night. So you have about 24 hours to give me instructions (if I make a wrong move for you tonight, I can always use the console to undo it).
10-11-2007, 14:57
OverKnight

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Oh econ21, I forgot to mention that I ransomed the prisoners for nearly 4,000 florins. I figured we could use the money, unless of course, it gets stolen again. :laugh4:

Perhaps its best if Matthias just holds onto it for now.

Edit: Keep Matthias on the bridge for now.
10-11-2007, 15:14
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

All right - I will devote 4000 florins to King Jan's marriage ... I mean Outremer's defence.

It's a shame those unhorsed knights are no longer recruitable - I think they were the best infantry in the game for HRE. Skin flint Chancellors. :beam:
10-11-2007, 15:34
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

*still waking up*

Jan got married?

Thats just...awesome...

I've had stories rolling around in my head for weeks regarding that possibility. :yes:

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