Muslims Rally Worldwide to Show Their Hatred of Jews and Americans

Well said, Megalos.

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I still submit that the US and Israel have killed far more Muslim civilians than the peoples you mentioned have killed US and Israeli civilians.

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Yet still less than the number of terrorists and the like - ie not civilians that the US and Israel have killed. And we don't try to kill civilians.

CR

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Originally Posted by Navaros

Palestinians have very good, rational reasons for their hate. Like that they were kicked out of their homes that they own and hold the legal deeds to by Israel. Anyone who had that happen to them would hate Israel just as much as the Palestinians and their Muslim brothers do.

I don't like how Palestinians always get demonized just because they are Muslim, whilst Israel gets a free pass for no legitimate reason for it's shady part in the situation.

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Articulately and accurately stated.
Quoted for truth!

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Originally Posted by Beirut

Proffesional armies have been killing civilians in huge numbers since 1939 (and before to be sure). Numbers that exist only in the wildest fantasies of the sickest terrorist minds.

I still submit that the US and Israel have killed far more Muslim civilians than the peoples you mentioned have killed US and Israeli civilians. (This relates directly to the topic of the thread. As for Muslim against Muslim atrocities, that is another matter for another thread. A topic well worth pursuing.)

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Italics on "continueosly" not have they.


terrorists/insurgents/palistinians killed more than Israel or US. And dont try to keep the "terrorists kill more civs" out!!:laugh4: thats a point that noone can disprove IMO.

especially since the main killer of muslims are muslims IE. insurgents, terrorists.

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

And we don't try to kill civilians.

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I'm sure the civilians killed have a very positive feeling about that.

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

Italics on "continueosly" not have they.

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I think proffesional armies have been continuously killing civilians for ages. And doing it very well I might add.

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

terrorists/insurgents/palistinians killed more than Israel or US.

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The topic of this thread is specific to Muslims vis a vis the US and Israel. That being true, I stand by what I have said.

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

And dont try to keep the "terrorists kill more civs" out!!:laugh4: thats a point that noone can disprove IMO.

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I'm sorry, I don't really follow the sentence.

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

especially since the main killer of muslims are muslims IE. insurgents, terrorists.

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Through the course of history I'm not sure that's true. (Nor am I sure it's not.) But it is not the topic being discussed here. I would be glad to hear your points on this in a separate thread.

Beirut remember that old saying about arguing with idoits? That logic applies here

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Beirut remember that old saying about arguing with idoits? That logic applies here

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I never argue with idoits. My aunt was Idoitian and I liked her a great deal.

As for idiots, I am afeared at times that I am the only one here. :embarassed:

Why does everyone insist on insulting others directly but not putting their names so they wont get into trouble at least name names instead of being a jackass....:drama2:



"And dont try to keep the "terrorists kill more civs" out!!"

dont try to keep that out. simple.

think proffesional armies have been continuously killing civilians for ages. And doing it very well I might add.

Why do proffesional armies such as israel and US continuosly kill civs on purpose? get it now? terrorists on the other hand do, and are more succesfull.

well see I respect people who put thoughts in there opinons instead of just being spoon fed

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

Why does everyone insist on insulting others directly but not putting their names so they wont get into trouble at least name names instead of being a jackass....:drama2:

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Shhhh! I think he was talking about me.

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

"And dont try to keep the "terrorists kill more civs" out!!"
Why do proffesional armies such as israel and US continuosly kill civs on purpose? get it now? terrorists on the other hand do, and are more succesfull.

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Killing civilians is a tool of war whose usage has neither gone out of style nor been forgotten by modern generals.

Of course terrorists kill civilians. First, it's easier. Second, it spreads terror, hence; terrorism. Whether they are more successful at it than professional armies, I think not. If for no other reason than they lack the logistics required for mass killings. (There are, of course, exceptions.)

In any case, the distinction between "on purpose" and "by mistake" may be thick and juicy on this side of the pond, but rest assured, over there, dead is dead and whoever did it, did it. If Joe Muslim wakes up to a bombed out house and six dead kids, I'll put a week's pay the difference means snail snot to him when he's digging graves.

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Yet still less than the number of terrorists and the like - ie not civilians that the US and Israel have killed. And we don't try to kill civilians.

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True , they don't try and kill civilians , they manage to do it without much effort at all .

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Originally Posted by Beirut

I still submit that the US and Israel have killed far more Muslim civilians than the peoples you mentioned have killed US and Israeli civilians.

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And? You've been making the same defense over and over, yet it just doesn't hold up.

Both sides have reason to be angry with the other. (You bring up supposed body counts and I'll bring up the Twin Towers et al)

However - and this is the point of the thread - these demonstrations of hate highlight the differences between the two cultures.

After the World Trade Center was attacked George Bush immediately stated that Muslims in general were not the enemy. In Iran, and countless other muslim nations, hatred of Americans and Jews is encouraged and taught.


Now then, every time someone posts a thread about how the muslim world treats women and minorities, how they teach their children hatred, or some other backwards element of the culture; the relativists try their hardest to explain it all away.

In this thread, for example, the excuse is that a lot of muslims have been killed by Americans and Israelis. Well, a lot of Americans and Israelis have been killed by muslims.

Does any of that excuse these worldwide demonstrations of hatred, especially taught to children? Would it be acceptable to you if these were Canadians calling for the death of all muslims?

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

Why do proffesional armies such as israel and US continuosly kill civs on purpose? get it now? terrorists on the other hand do, and are more succesfull.

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No they are most certainly not more effective in that area. And as you ignored me before, I'll give you the numbers again, plain and simple:

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualt...06_Lebanon_War

Israel civilian casualties:

43 dead
33 seriously wounded
68 moderately wounded
1,388 lightly wounded
2,773 treated for shock and anxiety

Lebanese civilian casualties:

1,191 dead
4,409 injured

Or, said in another way, Israel killed more than 27 times as many civilians as Hezbollah did.

The source of the Israel numbers come from israel's foreign ministry, so there's no way to question those numbers. The lebanese numbers are the UN numbers. Give or take a hundred on those.

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Originally Posted by PanzerJager

And? You've been making the same defense over and over, yet it just doesn't hold up.

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I'm not defending anyone. I'm just explaining, from my point of view, why the sutuation exists.

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Originally Posted by PanzerJager

Both sides have reason to be angry with the other. (You bring up supposed body counts and I'll bring up the Twin Towers et al)

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Yes, of course.

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Originally Posted by PanzerJager

However - and this is the point of the thread - these demonstrations of hate highlight the differences between the two cultures.

After the World Trade Center was attacked George Bush immediately stated that Muslims in general were not the enemy. In Iran, and countless other muslim nations, hatred of Americans and Jews is encouraged and taught.

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Yes, of course.

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Originally Posted by PanzerJager

Now then, every time someone posts a thread about how the muslim world treats women and minorities, how they teach their children hatred, or some other backwards element of the culture; the relativists try their hardest to explain it all away.

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I might be trying to explain it, but I am not trying to explain it away. It is important to know the difference between understanding someone's behaviour, and endorsing it.

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Originally Posted by PanzerJager

In this thread, for example, the excuse is that a lot of muslims have been killed by Americans and Israelis. Well, a lot of Americans and Israelis have been killed by muslims.

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Yes, of course.

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Originally Posted by PanzerJager

Does any of that excuse these worldwide demonstrations of hatred, especially taught to children? Would it be acceptable to you if these were Canadians calling for the death of all muslims?

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Of course not. I believe you would have a hard time finding the word "acceptable" in any post I have written here.

I think you are missing my point, and perhaps that is my fault for not writing clearly enough. I do not support these demonstrations. I do not support kids with guns being taught to hate by religious leaders or the state. I do not support Islamic extremism. But, I also do not support the idea that anyone should be surprised that these demonstrations take place. If one reads their history, it is plain to see that the US and Israel (and Britain, and France) have been (bad word) around with the Arabs states and the Muslims for the past century. Redrawing borders at will, displacing populations, taking financial advantage of the oil situation, plotting coups, using CIA dirty tricks, endlessly lording over the area, it goes on and on.

My only point in all of this is that no one should be surprised how things have turned out. And no one should stand on a moral pedestal and say "Oh my! They hate us. What have we ever done to them?"

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In Iran, and countless other muslim nations, hatred of Americans and Jews is encouraged and taught.

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Is it ? I thought it was hatred of American foriegn policies and the existance of the State of Israel . Which is a big difference from hatred of Americans and Jews .
Just to remind you Panzer this story you started the topic with is a protest against an ongoing illegal action , illegal actions deserve to be protested against .

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

No they are most certainly not more effective in that area. And as you ignored me before, I'll give you the numbers again, plain and simple:

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualt...06_Lebanon_War

Israel civilian casualties:

43 dead
33 seriously wounded
68 moderately wounded
1,388 lightly wounded
2,773 treated for shock and anxiety

Lebanese civilian casualties:

1,191 dead
4,409 injured

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I'm pretty sure I answered back.

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Is it ? I thought it was hatred of American foriegn policies and the existance of the State of Israel . Which is a big difference from hatred of Americans and Jews .

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Originally Posted by original story

In the capital Tehran, hundreds of thousands of people poured into the streets as they chanted "Death to America" and "Death to Israel." Some protesters also burned American and Israeli flags.

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I see "Death to America". Which is a big difference from "Death to American Foreign Policy"

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Originally Posted by Waldinger

I see "Death to America". Which is a big difference from "Death to American Foreign Policy"

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Funny that! You ever notice how the protests are all about israel, and not one bit about the jews as a people? then tell me how do you explain the threads title?

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Is it ? I thought it was hatred of American foriegn policies and the existance of the State of Israel . Which is a big difference from hatred of Americans and Jews .
Just to remind you Panzer this story you started the topic with is a protest against an ongoing illegal action , illegal actions deserve to be protested against .

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"Nope, nothing to see here folks, move along."

Wow.

You know, Beirut and others brought up valid points in an effort to explain and understand this behavior, but only you seem to be defending it.

And your defense? "There's no hate. Its all just a big lovely demonstration against policy." Talk about having one's head 6 feet in the ground. :shame:

Either you have completely deluded yourself into actually believing that those people shouting "Death to Americans" are in fact only demonstrating against nuanced policy decisions, or you're towing the leftist line with little regard for actual thought.




PS. Why is it that you always seem to be comparing my opinions to those of the Nazis, while it seems I am the one constantly standing up for women, minorities, and religious freedom and against the spread of hate. You're always defending the muslims who are responsible for such injustices.

Lets see, you come down on the side of oppression and hate speech and I oppose it. Who is the Nazi?? :yes:

Says the guy who called the muslims a cancer that needs to be exterminated.

YEP NOT A NAZI THERE :sweatdrop:

Have you not realised there are also progressive forward thinking muslims? or are you still stuck thinking Iran are representatives of Islam/The Muslim Word?

P.S:just for the record, they [Iran] haven't massacred their 25,000 jewish minority yet, i wonder why.

EDIT: just for kicks, from Who the hell are you anyway? A compilation of Orgah summations sticky in the backroom:

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Panzerjager *photo* - The fascist resident of the org, anyone who thinks Kaiser (once upon a time Capo) of Arabia is fascist has never met this guy. We assume he lives in America and therefore safe from the vengeful Bundeswehr, but anyway, his loyalty to Nazi Germany and its ideologies, and the strange acceptance of capitalism at its least human, just like Mussolini's fascism, puts him into clashes with moderators and other members often enough. A member of the Right, though an extreme one not entirely in synch with the mainstream, he's notable for being against the current Islamic "menace" against the West, and his subsequent support for Israel. Panzerjager - See Kaiser of Arabia

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Originally Posted by Leet Eriksson

Funny that! You ever notice how the protests are all about israel, and not one bit about the jews as a people?

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Untrue. Israeli and Jew are interchangeable amongst many if not most of these people. Just pay attention to the signs next time their on the news burning Jews in effigy.

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/to...ges/holo_2.jpg http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,581992,00.jpg

If you really want to get into muslim anti-jewish sentiments, we can. Attacks on Jews can be found in the koran and those attitudes can be traced far before Zionism existed.

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EDIT: just for kicks, from Who the hell are you anyway? A compilation of Orgah summations sticky in the backroom:

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I didn't write that, although its pretty good... lol. :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by PanzerJager

If you really want to get into muslim anti-jewish sentiments, we can. Attacks on Jews can be found in the koran and those attitudes can be traced far before Zionism existed.

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I thought the Koran referred to Jews and Christians as "People of the Book"?

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Says the guy who called the muslims a cancer that needs to be exterminated.

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Thats not nice faisal . you make Panzer look like a hate filled bigot when you quote him like that .
Play nicely now, I am sure panzer was quoted out of context :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Dress up like a orthodox jew and take a stroll in one of Amsterdam's culturally enriched area and see how far you get. Saying there is no anti-semitism within the islamist community is criminally ignorant.

At least we enlightened Westeners don't paint all Muslims, spanning many countries and countless ethnic groups and religious views, with the same brush when referring to the actions of a clear minority. Sheesh.

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Dress up like a orthodox jew and take a stroll in one of Amsterdam's culturally enriched area and see how far you get. Saying there is no anti-semitism within the islamist community is criminally ignorant.

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Wear a Canadian flag in the east end of Montreal or disguise yourself as a black teenager in some parts of the US and see where either gets you.

Ig'nace is ever-whur.

What a bollocks the message of the title of this thread is. With taking things that much out of context (=number of muslim protesters/total number of muslims) you might just as well say that Nazi germany has risen from its ashes if you only focus on the Neo-Nazis shouting "Auslander aus!".

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Israeli and Jew are interchangeable amongst many if not most of these people.

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In Iran many people are watching a TV show about Jews in World War 2: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...-TV-Series.php

From the article:

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The show's appearance now may reflect an attempt by Iran's leadership to moderate its image as anti-Semitic and to underline a distinction that Iranian officials often make — that their conflict is with Israel, not with the Jewish people.

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Remember that Ahmadinejad is the Iranian version of Ann Coulter and that there are many more liberal Iranian politicians and other state employees about. Also remember that Ahmadinejad is not necessarily a puppet of the beards in power, and that he may, in fact, be in a power struggle with Khamenei over who decides policy.

So this doesn't have to mean anything at all for Iran's currently dominant politics save to show that there are different tendencies within Iranian society than merely the primal soup conservatives that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad embodies.

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Originally Posted by Baba Ga'on

Also remember that Ahmadinejad is not necessarily a puppet of the beards in power, and that he may, in fact, be in a power struggle with Khamenei over who decides policy.

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Whom do you prefer, by the way?

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. Why is it that you always seem to be comparing my opinions to those of the Nazis, while it seems I am the one constantly standing up for women, minorities, and religious freedom and against the spread of hate.

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Errrrr...Panzer it seems that you are the one constantly standing up for women , minorities, religeous freedom and against the spread of hate ONLY when you direct it against Muslims .
There is a word for that .:yes:

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Originally Posted by AntiochusIII

Whom do you prefer, by the way?

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I'd rather have Mohammed Khatami over either Ahmadinejad or his bearded superiors, to be honest. Khamenei, at least, looks a bit more tractable and reasonable than Ahmadinejad, but then again, he has been the executive force responsible for the recent crackdown on Iranian civil liberties. Nor was Khatami a genuine good guy, either... :gah:

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Errrrr...Panzer it seems that you are the one constantly standing up for women , minorities, religeous freedom and against the spread of hate ONLY when you direct it against Muslims .
There is a word for that .:yes:

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Which would be 'common sense', not the only part but everything is the same for a cultist , he will find a similar event in Utah and gets the chance to be a little bit more angry then he already was in the first place. I am sure you have seen horrible things in your travels of course, when you sold your house and crossed the seas to africa to help these poor people how to lose on penalties and still look good.

well done Fragony , that makes no sense at all .
Congratulations:2thumbsup:
Hold on.....oh ......I think I get it now , you are upset at finding that panzer appears to have the same anti-muslim fetish you suffer from .

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

well done Fragony , that makes no sense at all .
Congratulations:2thumbsup:
Hold on.....oh ......I think I get it now , you are upset at finding that panzer appears to have the same anti-muslim fetish you suffer from .

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I don't agree with panzer, but there is just nothing about you to agree about, you are a radical. Of course it doesn't make sense to you.

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I don't agree with panzer

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Yet you both will manage to do a complete U-turn of your views on an topic if it involves people who are Muslim...Islam seems to be just about the only issue with you .
It must be a fetish thing .

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

It must be a fetish thing .

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It must most certainly must be mylittlepwny

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Yet you both will manage to do a complete U-turn of your views on an topic if it involves people who are Muslim....

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[Insert pot & kettle comment here.]

You seem to be able to completely ignore obvious injustices when they are perpetrated by muslims. I would suggest some self examination before condemning others.

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You seem to be able to completely ignore obvious injustices when they are perpetrated by muslims. I would suggest some self examination before condemning others.

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So you will obviously be able to show a post where I completely ignore injustices then ? or how about one where I support terrorism ? Regardless of race or creed .

It won't take much effort to show posts by yourself where you ignore injustices and support terrorism
So before you have the front suggest self examination to another you had better look in the mirror .
Or if you cannot get a mirror look at what Faisal wrote , your own words speak volumes , your own words show your thoughts for what they are .

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

So you will obviously be able to show a post where I completely ignore injustices then ? or how about one where I support terrorism ? Regardless of race or creed .

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That would settling somewhere, but that isn't your thing is it. You need a view from the top.

I think that's a good thing, just see Tribes as your conscience. :2thumbsup: ~;)

An entire page of "you" messages, posters taking shots at each other, rather than the topic. This is tedious to the reader.

I thank all for their input. :bow:

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