Just a simple townie (a bit more suspicious though :), without any PM. Who are you?
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Just a simple townie (a bit more suspicious though :), without any PM. Who are you?
okay misunderstood you
Same here
Seems like you sure for 100% I'm guilty. I'm not so sure even of you..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Could that be because you're mafia, thus know for sure I'm town, and know that your active 'comrades in arms' will support you, and hoping that other 'blind' townies will believe that story.? :inquisitive:
Yet I really surprised that discussion is going on about whether I'm innocent or not! I feel like Cheetah now...:sweatdrop:
In all fairness to Ichigo this is mafia, you can't be a hundered percent certain of someones guilt. You just need to have good reasons that are better then everyone elses.
Alright, now Charge you are deflecting attention away from yourself and onto Ichigo and myself. We appear to be guilty to you because we are accusing you of guilt. There seems to be no other reason.
Wow we got a discussion and I did like the theroy of the one present everything even and see what happens. Now I am more confused.:dizzy2:
There is a different strategy then a regular game where people are lynched at random in the first rcouple rounds. I think we put ourselves behind the eight ball on this round with no clear plan.
As for the numbers I don't know if that is a herring but when I look at the numbers 9T8 YD8 843 G85
I think of the vanity plates expressing a message. Like G8 for Great or D8 for date.
Maybe someone can see something looking at it that way.
Alright, if we assume that numbers = letters, we can get:
GTB
YDB
BAE
GBS
Meh. That's just WIFOM. Appearing to be the helpful townie is not a bad mafia tactic.Quote:
Originally Posted by CA
But I must admit, Ichigo's plan isn't a bad one at all.
Charge is fairly new to these games, so I can understand his concern about staying alive. W&F on the contrary, should know better by now. woad&fangs, I gave you a present. Why did you want even more presents? Why is your survival so important?
The day phase has ended and votes are being counted.
http://users.on.net/~purdsa/temp/mafiad3.png
Ichigo has been lynched.
The 24 hour night phase has begun, orders to me please ~:)
That's funny...
However I would like to know though, can they change list mid-round (after his explanation)?
No other responses...:inquisitive:
This really won't take us anywhere except defeat. What people think about Ichigo's lynch? Especially CA, Ichigo himself and Kommodus and FH, Andres, W&F too...eh?
It's night.
If I'm not mistaken, you didn't say what you thought of the lynch. Let's start with that, shall we?
Previous night was pretty hot.
I did say what I think, but I shouldn't do it actually.. Isn't I've said much already? Seems mafia waits 'indoor' discussion about this, and keep mouths shut right now...
Looks like mafia has enormous numbers in this game? Still no comments not from me...
Well, the way I see it, it would be illogical for the mafia to put a mafioso on top of their list of people to lynch.
So, unless there is some sort of mafia masterplan (but that would be unlikely at this relative early stage of the game), Ichigo is innocent. Unfortunately, he is also dead.
Really? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge
The only "opinion" you had after the lynching of Ichigo was
Followed by a question about game mechanics and the constatation that other players didn't have posted yet after the lynch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge
sapi - can the mafia change their list during the day?
whoa. i missed a day whats going on right now.
No; they can PM me an updated list at any time, but it counts as one of their night actions, so it takes effect during the next day phase ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Alright, that's interesting. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapi
Draco Leman was bored, very bored. So, despite the impending darkness and the possible bad weather, he decided to go for a walk. Feeling slightly better in doing so, he started thinking about the past few days. So many deaths, in their once peaceful town!
So deep in thought was he that he didn't see the green, furry creature standing off to the side of the path, waiting for him. That was a pity, because if he had, he might have been able to keep his heart attached to the rest of his body. As it was, Draco fought and lost a brief struggle with the creature, before becoming another compulsory organ donor.
Cackling, the creature walked off, leaving Draco to die. It kept repeating a phrase, which echoed off into the distance, "there will be no Christmas this year!"
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sapi woke to a new dawn as drowsily as he did to the last. Again stumbling downstairs, he reflexively glanced at the fireplace and was somewhat surprised to again find a stocking there.
Looking inside, he found that it contained a large lump of coal, with a note stuck to it. The note read, "Q5H 79D".
"Great", he said, "today both belong in the fire". Tossing them in, sapi walked off to fix breakfast.
oh well. I was sure Draco was innocent, now it confirmed (assuming it is mafia who kills us).
Does it mean there only one (order?) now instead of two on the previous night?Quote:
sapi woke to a new dawn as drowsily as he did to the last. Again stumbling downstairs, he reflexively glanced at the fireplace and was somewhat surprised to again find a stocking there.
Looking inside, he found that it contained a large lump of coal, with a note stuck to it. The note read, "Q5H 79D".
Also, Andres, why you didn't reply on my PM..?..
Why did you ask me these questions :Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge
in private and not in the thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge's pm
What you think?
So you're mafioso which tryed to appear as Santa..
Plus this night's info:Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
All: Q5H 79D
Letters: Q H D
Numbers: 5 7 9
Number to Letter: E G I
All together:
C D D D E E G G H H H H H I I Q T Y
Oh, and a large lump of coal...
What you FH think about recent events? And about my version that this notes are orders?
Hehe, Andres not answered yet - prooving he's mafia.
I got no idea who is who, I just collate the info in hopes of someone with more time on their hands (which sounds scummy since I spent about 5 hours at the ORG) can be bothered to analyze them.
The code can mean anything really. Could be pointing at who is the mafia, some hint at how we the town can use gifts to win, or anything else really. I think the lump of coal is significant too.
I didn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge
I must be getting old :shame: I was really convinced that I already gave an explanation about my "lack of activity"...
And wouldn't it be a bit stupid to tell you if I am Santa or Mafia? If Santa has some useful information, then he will reveal as he sees fit. And a mafia won't tell you that he is mafia... So, what was the point of those questions?
I think I did all possible to convince town in my innocence. So you should know it in any case. And if you Santa you should replied.
But you didn't reply - so you likely to be mafioso, why say anything if it can make you even more suspicious?
There's always the possibility that I am just a humble townie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge
But you wanted proof? Ok, here it is, my townie pm:
...
...
Eh, hm...
...
Nothing? No pm at all?
Still not convinced. If you are townie, why you did not reply to pm?
I preferred to reply in public, as I did in my last posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge
Why didn't you ask your questions in public? Why should I trust you and give you valuable information in private?
I had some thoughts about you as possible Santa,Quote:
I think I did all possible to convince town in my innocence.
and not asked this in thread as mafia will use it, if you are not mafioso yourself. However now it's pretty obvious for me that Andres is guilty, sorta Godfather of this game..
Ichigo is his grunt, looks like mafia tryed plan (Ichigo's plan) with lynching him and making other mafiosos, who supported him, appear to be innocent.
Most likely there are 4 mafiosos, and other 2 are somebody from list below:
BSR, FH, CA, W&F, Kommodus.
BSR actively bandwagoned Ichi's plan, before seemed to be rather inactive;
CA was also supporter of this idea, but also of picking up certain member previously and adviced against protecting Andres. Though he did it not so hard, and it can be another mafia's plan to ensure town think about him without supicion (like GH in Godfather 1 or 2, not remember);
W&F was against Ichi's plan at some point, even FoSed CA (but not Ichigo), then withdrawed without explanation. That bit makes CA appear to be less guilty in my eyes.. + 3 gifts Andres gave him on round 1;
Kommodus is not participating in any discussion, he said it will be limited until 2008 - now it already 2008, where are you then? He also casted gifts upon Ichigo; Peasant Phill, against which Kommodus had some suspicion, appears to be innocent I think (not, if not only mafia can kill on nights)
FH also not so active in finding mafiosos, there is also linking in their gifts to each other...
Lord Winterand Tiberius are also somewhat not so innocent for me so far.
If there are any pro-town roles, who can investigate (confirm) and kill scum, please do so.
Of course I can be mistaken, but I would like to see what it will turn at the end ~:pimp:
But I'm not sure how town can get rid of them, Santa (not sure if he's still alive) can only investigate, as rules says.. Highly recommended to Santa, pm me - only dunces can't believe in my innocence still.
Voting so far gives benefit only to mafiosos....
I think there are only 2 mafia. 4 would be vastly imbalanced.
Why 2? Because sapi said that modifying their list would count as one of their actions and they still kill someone each night. So they normally have 2 actions and so far have modified their list every night.
hmmmmm
Lets think about it - now I'm sure that 'thing' 'creature' is a certain mafia member. He's alive for sure.
'Witch' is another mafioso. That doesn't contradict story about two mafiosos...
Also it didn't contradict my story - Andres 'witchcreature', Ichigo - 'creaturewitch'. Though I think there are at least 3 of them.
EDIT: :wall:
Well Ichigo can't be the creature because the creature just killed Draco.
Ok, let's start by considering the results of Ichigo's experiment.
We are assured that the mafia can't change their list in the middle of the day. However, Ichigo proposed his plan prior to the start of the day 3 phase, so the mafia may have changed their list in response to his proposal, knowing what its effect would be.
The thing is, the fact that Ichigo was the one lynched means that those who supported his plan appear more innocent. (This includes CountArach, Lord Winter, Draco Leman, Northnovas, and Andres.) But a mafioso could (and probably would) support the plan, knowing this.
The main proponent of the plan, besides Ichigo himself, was CountArach. He argued strongly in favor of it, with Charge as his main antagonist. I also think that CA had read Ichi's proposal before the night phase ended, because he says this:
However, I'm not entirely comfortable with the way CA argued for the plan. For example:Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
A rather illogical and unnecessary defense, I would say.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Then the exchange between Charge and CA heats up:
Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach, addressing Charge
...etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge
And... um... I just noticed something strange. Charge, you edited this post from yesterday. The thing is, I had read the original version of it. I can't quote it, of course, but I remember a part of the original content - you said Ichigo's lynch probably meant that he and CountArach were innocent. That was the part you edited out. :inquisitive:
The question is, why? Did you realize you had stated too clearly the conclusion we were supposed to come to independently? Linking one's self to his mafia partner is a rookie mistake. I'm beginning to think the whole argument between you and CA was just a big charade.
Also, Charge, a number of the statements you've made are patently illogical. For example:
You suggest that Ichigo might be guilty after all because hey, the mafia might get one of their own lynched in order to "prove" the innocence of others. Problems with this include:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge
A. It would be a terrible plan for the mafia.
B. Why is your target here is Andres, rather than Ichi's other supporters?
I barely need to mention the ridiculous suggestion of 4 mafiosi. With voting working the way it does here, that would really unbalance the game and can be disregarded.
So, FoS: CountArach and Charge
EDIT: Lest I forget:
Give: Andres (1)
Give: Northnovas (1)
Give: woad&fangs (1)
My question would be how can the town lynch a mafia, i.e. making them have less presents than everyone else?
The best we can achieve is have everyone have 3 presents (i.e. mafia giving their partner their 3 too) which leads to a townie lynch, unless sapi has some hidden rule there.
OK, thanks for thoughts.
You however stated certain suspicion against me, ..and CA....:inquisitive:
Not only mafia can change, if Ichigo is mafia himself - he is the guy who made the list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
I have said that Ichigo's lynch is meant to appear him and supporters as innocent. However it can be mafia masterplan, and without saying this so early probably could get some useful info..Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
Very interesting about charade. I can admit charade in W&F's posts about gifts, but our 'discussion' was a bit too risky would we both be mafia.
And you realized that their numbers cant affect game more than 2 (each other gives 3 presents to each other - they cant be lynched; 6 - same).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
Assuming there are only 2 mafiosos. Doubt. numbers aren't that important on voting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
Andres was suspicion mainly because he didn't reply on pm, and more. Why you protecting him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
FoS: Kommodus
FoS: Andres
FoS: Woad&fangs
Another possibility.
Sapi hadn't said much about roles, rules as well I think. Very confusing how to determine and neutralize mafioso..
Why did you PM him? Do you think he would really tell you if he was? You're digging yourself into a bigger and bigger hole.Quote:
Andres was suspicion mainly because he didn't reply on pm, and more. Why you protecting him?
Why? to see and analyze how guilty he is. And do I really seems mafioso still with all this statements??? You ain't going to change my opinion about you with such posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
I'm a little busy right now, but I will also say that Charge has PMed me asking about the following people (I asked sapi if I could quote it, but he said that he would prefer if I only paraphrased it):
Andres - because he thought that Andres was hinting that he was Santa in one of the posts. I replied that I thought that Andres would've been more active if he had such a role. Out of interest Andres, when did he send you that message? because it could well be after I sent him my reply.
Woad&Fangs - He didn't give any reason, he just asked for my thoughts. I remained suitably tight-lipped.
Then he suggested we follow the following list:
1. Andres
2. W&F
3. Ichigo
4. FactionHeir
Then stated he had no idea about Kommodus, Peasent Phill and Omanes.
Gift: Factionheir(1), Lord Winter(1), BSR(1)
I think that either Charge or Count Arach are a mafioso. I'm not sure which I'd rather lynch though.
I thought that the give everyone one present idea was kind of silly. My thinking was that we could protect players we believe to be valuable or the most innocent but still get an idea of the mafia's personality by who they lynch out of the options we gave them. That is why I opposed the idea. I was also being selfish. I've died early in several games in a row and I wanted to last a bit longer in this one. I gave Charge presents because I he was also against the idea and I figured that if I gave him presents than he would give me presents. However, Charge kept seeming scummier and scummier as the day wore on and I decided that I should just be glad that I helped to cause a lot of discussion that could be used to analize players and that I should just accept Ichigo's idea instead of casting my lot in with someone that I was getting highly suspicious of.
That's my explanation of my actions from the last day phase.
And why I looks scummy?Quote:
However, Charge kept seeming scummier and scummier as the day wore on
day agoQuote:
Out of interest Andres, when did he send you that message?
Gift: Tiberius, Omanes, kommodus
[edit]
Anyone else finding Omanes rather quiet?
Asking him doesn't accomplish anything as far as I'm concerned. I don't understand how you could. Yes. I'm dead so it doesn't matter if I was mafia or not I can't do anything but discuss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge
That's pretty strange because he seemed to believe both of us were guilty last round.Quote:
I'm a little busy right now, but I will also say that Charge has PMed me asking about the following people (I asked sapi if I could quote it, but he said that he would prefer if I only paraphrased it):
I believed CA was townie from his earlier actions, and I believe I was able to gain some info from Andres' reply which he decided not to give (perfect choice for mafioso).
do I saw 2nd time pming between Ichigo and FH?
Can anyone say why I seems scummy other than just casting suspicion on him?
Looks like mafiosos voted, hmm, ok town going to lose its most active contributor....
I think you are getting somewhat paranoid now. The Gameroom is not the only place I'm active in and there are some issues in the Throne Room that currently needs PM attention.
:laugh4:
they was just at strangely same time..
Hmmmm I just had a stroke of genius while under the shower and know how we can lynch the mafia.
I'll reveal once the time is right. Note that even if I get killed, I can still talk about it.
And I think Charge is getting scummier by the second. He now even set his status to invisible.
What exactly I'm doing so you think I'm scum (how the hell can I be scum??).Quote:
And I think Charge is getting scummier by the second. He now even set his status to invisible.
That was in hope that Santa will show at least some rationality and pmed me..
Why is it so important for you to get in contact with Santa? You have NO proof that you are Innocent, none at all. Why should Santa trust you?
No proof at all?? :wall:
No one beliefs me! how is that possible? is it really only mafia active and town fuly lurks?
OK, I can't help town if town keep thinking about me as scum, gonna see its faces after end of the game though..
:stars:
Okay, I think that Charge should be the one to be lynched. Lets try to make sure that everyone except Charge gets presents.
Have Presents
Tiberius
Omanes
Kommodus
Andres
Woad&Fangs
Lord Winter
Northnovas
Factionheir
BSR
Need Presents
Count Arach
Needs a Lynching
Charge
Give: BSR
Can you take the one you gave to BSR and give it to me so that Charge is lynched? We should also watch to see if someone does give Charge one, because they may be scum-buddies.
Take: BSR(1), Give: CountArach(1)
There we go.
The fact that you PMed people and asked them if they were Santa is enough of a reason for you to be scummy and deserve to be lynched. Not to mention all the other things you've done. Santa would reveal when he is ready, if he doesn't have anything then he won't reveal. You're trying to force his hand which is pretty scummy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge
Not quite sure about Charge. It's suspicious that he's been throwing accusations around like he has, but I think he might just be a well meaning(but misguided) townie. Still, can't take the chance, so lynch him.
Sorry, you misinterpreted that. The mafia have a set number of night kills, but they could also change the list if they wished. It's not a choice between one and the other :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
To those questioning the rules, all I'll say is that I have told the town everything it needs to win, and that doing so is not impossible ~:)
The rules, as posted, are in this post.
So that confirms I'm innocent.
I think even though Charge seems scummy, he is being overly desperate to the extent that he is more a townie.
I say we lynch CA.
And according to sapi's rule post, it seems to be Santa that is giving us those code hints.
Nope, it is exactly impossible. Town is too stupid to believe me, and leaded by mafia like herd of rams.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapi
Santa is dead. It is obvious. How the hell he can't investigate me and be convinced in my ****ing innocence? If he's got something then he could reveal it via me and not himself, but he's dead already. Or utterly stupid.
Crushing mafia victory.
Santa is still alive. Otherwise we wouldn't be receiving code still.
On further inspection, I believe that the lump of coal means "guilty". The question that remains is what Q5H 79D stands for. IMO most likely who Santa investigated and found to be guilty.
Also, the numbers might not directly mean letters. So far they have been either single digit or above 26, so he's trying to convey something using 1-9.
So 2 stockings after n2 was his investigations of n1 and n2..
Voting over, stand by for tally.
http://users.on.net/~purdsa/temp/mafiad4.png
Charge has been lynched. It is now the night phase, orders to me please ~:)
*sigh
Sapi waited however :) ...
CA talks alot. A bit unusual...
:inquisitive:
Yes I am aware of that, but I finished school and this is holidays. I don't go to University until March :balloon:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
It was only a few hours since Andres had given up puzzling out the events of the past few days, and yet already he was sleeping soundly in his upstairs bedroom. However, what he never was was a sound sleeper, and perhaps it was that which caused him to hear the noises coming from his living room.
Whatever brought it to his attention, it was not long before a drowsy Andres was leaning on the door of his living room, staring at the scene unfolding before him. Squinting to see through the darkness, lit only by the light of the moon, he could make out a woman in a dark shawl crouched by his Christmas tree, arranging what appeared to be neatly wrapped presents.
Groggily, he rubs his eyes, sure that what he is seeing must be some sort of a mistake, but it remains. Indeed, as he does so, the figure abruptly turns around and sees him there. "Nessuno possono vederli!", it shrieks, snatching its broomstick (which up until that point had been propped up against the wall) and hurrying up to Andres.
Wordlessly, it proceeded to beat him senseless. Once it was abundantly clear that Andres would not be rising again, the shawled figure jumped on its broomstick, and proceeded to fly straight out the window. As it faded from sight, words appeared to drift off behind it in the still night air, "La Befana vien di notte..."
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This time, when he got up in the morning sapi walked into his living room with a sense of expectation, and as predicted, there was another stocking hanging from his fireplace. Wandering over, he stuck his hand inside, and extracted the candy cane and note that had been hiding within.
That tradition complete, he stuck the candy cane in his mouth, and tossed the note in the bin, where it landed face up. A careful onlooker would almost have been able to read the scribbled characters on the front, "W3H QJ9"
Both mafia still alive, one a witch, one a leprechaun with heart?
Still can't make much sense of the code.
Totals:
9T8 YD8 843 G85 [Lump of Coal] Q5H 79D W3H QJ9
Note Andres was killed after he was contacted by Charge asking whether he was Santa and after Andres cast suspicion onto CA.
I have nothing to do with mafia dammit! When you will lynch all (better to say will not bother to contradict mafiosos from lynching townies) and host will reveal all roles you gonna see it! Do you think I would lie THAT MUCH now???
:no:
Sapi, can Santa investigate dead player? (me), and what is his %? EDIT: though better investigate CA in this situation first..,and share it in private with those townies which he already investigated.
Andres is ok (:wall:), why you always seems so scummy to me ?
Out of curiosity, how it can confirm you as innocent?Quote:
Originally posted by Ichigo
So that confirms I'm innocent.
I didn't say you were guilty. I said Andres was killed after being asked by you whether he was Santa, suggesting the actual mafia may have believed you in a way in that regard.
Also, Andres questioned CA, so either CA is guilty or someone is trying to frame him. Or maybe both.
gift: Factionheir(1)
I think the other mafioso is supposed to be the Grinch from the Dr. Seuss book "How the Grinch Stole Christmas"
Should we lynch CA this round?
why they should believe you? You lynched me, so I'd rather for town to not listen to you until you confirmed as innocent. Or proove it now, if you can..
but you stated it before, "getting scummier by the second", and calmly watched my execution...Quote:
I didn't say you were guilty.
Again, why they lynched me? who my scum-buddies is would I be mafia? They haven't said anything about it, bcs their only task was my lynch. Mafiosos knows for sure my belonging to town, don't they? and killing me will make them appear not as good as now.
How you cant see that it was FORCED lynch? A bit too sure for townies whom to lynch..
so I advice to santa to investigate them both (CA, W&F), other than that cant do anything...
On lynching this day, not sure, I cant see guilty for sure persons now, and again somebody suggesting to lynch other one WITHOUT facts probably mafioso.
Do we have a new strategy for elimination with the gifts? I can't make out the codes yet but I see we are keeping to an Italian Christmas theme.
"Nessuno possono vederli!"
Nobody can see them.
So we found out the witches name:
"La Befana vien di notte..."
Befana looks like a friendly witch, with a mole on her face and in tattered clothes. She flies on a broom and goes down the chimneys to deliver gifts to all the children.
Deciding who to gift too.
:yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
For reasons, see my post last round. Also, Holmes indicates a pretty high probability of his guilt.
So, for my gifts:
Give: Factionheir (1)
Give: Tiberius (1)
Give: Omanes (1)
EDIT: Fixed link
Man, what probablity of mine guilt? :D. I assume you would say 'high', it's likely bcs you're mafioso though (admit it finally :yes:), otherwise Holmes is getting old :)Quote:
Also, Holmes indicates a pretty high probability of his guilt.
Why Holmes not bothering to explain his gifts?..
Not protecting CA, but it sounding like another force-lynch..
gift: Kommodus(1), Northnovas(1)
Gift: Lord Winter(1), Andres(1)
Lynch CA. :yes:
Take: Factionheir(1), Gift: BSR(1)