And you were mafia in that game ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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And you were mafia in that game ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Tsk, tsk, tsk...
From the rules, "Rules Pertaining to Gameplay by dead players, Screenies, etc.".
Clearly implying living players can quote PMs. Also, from the code of ethics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus
Living players can quote PMs, dead players can only quote PMs that are already public, screenshots are a no-no for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus
Meh. If you got pounded for it, then why do it again? I know I did that with CTDC I and got lynched or almost (not sure anymore) because of it. While I was detective. However since I would never do the quote manually again, so would any sane person...
yeah I noticed when I checked them. Thanks anyway!:egypt:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
It seems that in pevergreen, we have found our first real scum.:whip:
I'd still like to hear from woad&fangs though...
w&f, is pevergreen lying or not?
BTW w&f, it's in your interest to tell the truth, wether the claims are true or false.
Does anyone have a tally of the current vote? I've lost track.
Pevergreen might have or might not have changed the pm, but I don't think someone would make this up for some kind of reason.
wtf...err...w&f please tell us. Being silent pobably will only make you a possible lynch.
I'm curious as to what woad&fangs has against pevergreen, although I'm not entirely sure I can trust pevergreen either - I'm weary of the true intentions of players who seem willing to form up vigilante/protection groups so early on in the game. Going on a recent PM of his, pevergreen is trying to do that exactly.
So, woad&fangs, why are you trying to kill pevergreen? As Andres has said, fanatically random vigilantes are helping the mafia more than the town. Also why are you trying to form a protection group at a time so early on in the game when distinguishing between the innocents and the guilty players is practically impossible.
The latter question I also pose to pevergreen, although I do have fewer doubts over his intentions, since I am sure that he sent the PM to more than a few people (if he was mafia, this would make manipulation very difficult).
I'm not being silent. I've been asleep. I didn't check to see that they were word for word 100% accurate but the gist of it looked correct. As I've explained to several of the people I contacted, I have a personal grudge against Pevergreen and I wanted to deal with that. No strategy, just me wanting to kill him in the game. I guess that that plan is out the window now.
I didn't receive any from Glenn... any thoughts as to why, moros? suspiciouss..Quote:
Got pm's from pevergreen and Glenn too. Some guys are putting a lot of time in this it seems.
not as suspicious as woad&f though.. a personal grudge? give me a break :P:dizzy2:
intresting!!:book:
Anyone else you hold a grudge against? If so, you might be as dangerous for the town as any other mafioso...Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
W&F what if pever was a doctor or a detective... then you just wouldve rid the town of a valuable person just because you are mad... control your self man...
Please, don't spam. Thnx in advance - Andres
this game is tooooo slow...
Bruh? :dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Have you forgotten that there are five families??!?!
In this game, death means nothing. At least, not until Seamus reveals the roles several days later, and by that time the issue will most likely be moot.
5!!!???!!???!?!?! families...
omg... this asks for a drastical different approach... i wonder how many wolfs are there... SASAKI!!! HOWL IN THE WIND MY FRIEND... I'm coming to get some WOLFS!!!!!!!! lads lock and load...
It's cool though, our enemies might kill each other. That would certainly help.
It's quite difficult though, so much things that can happen, and nothing you seem to know is really true.. hmm.. will be hard to pick a lynch.. :S
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Originally Posted by Andres
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Originally Posted by Glenn
Please... I know English is not our first language, but its pressure. Geez!!! :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moros
hard... bet the reason will either be alphabetical or spamming... as usual...
Meh, at a certain stage we will have somebody who we can trust.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
A dead innocent can't quote a pm, but he/she can still tell us what information he/she has and can still somehow coordinate the town's actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus
It's safer to wait until we have somebody who can be trusted instead of pm'ing all our roles and night actions to an uncertain factor like pevergreen.
"...And when Darkness
finally surrounds me now
All what remains is Silence
Into the Abyss you see"
-- Impending Doom
Sunset, Day One
The huge windows overlooking the boardwalk were uncovered, but no light streamed through. The sky was dark – no stars would shine tonight. Distant lightning lit the clouds, the cloud-to-cloud spikes of heat lightning – nothing that spoke of rain, of relief from the relentless heat.
The murmers died down as Fermanagh looked up from the pile of vote slips he’d been tallying.
“Well, that settles it,” said Chief Fermanagh, “with 13 votes out of 79, you’ve selected Andres AND Kommodus to stand as director for the Committee of Vigilance for the next two days.”
The meeting was hushed, but expectant. Everyone was breathing with that slow, conscious quality you get as the roller coaster heads up and over the top of that first long hill. Most were expressionless, a few openly worried. All wondered what this night would bring.
“Saints preserve us,” said Fermanagh, “this hasn’t happened before…”
He paused, considering, then flipped a coin…
“We’ll split the difference. Sergeant Muldoon! You and your 6 lads are to guard Kommodus tonight and to help him execute the sentence of the committee as he directs tomorrow sunset. You’ll then do the same for Andres on the following night. None of us are going to like this, but it must be done.”
The committee members filed slowly to the exits, only a few murmured conversations marring the silence, and walked out into the sweltering dark.
Night had come to Fatlington.
OOC:
Voting was a tie at 13, so each of the two will receive one night/day as director. Order determined at random.
All Night phase #1 (N1) PMs are due to me no later than 1300 EST 6 Feb 08 (1800 GMT). Night results posted as quickly thereafter as possible, so early PMs appreciated.
Selection Tally: (Edited, first formatting effort failed)
Andres = 13 (ajax, andres, beefy, craterus, crazed, hannibal, ichigo, jht, kami, sarathos, shlin, tran, zorg)
Kommodus = 13 (bsr, charge, ca, drisos, emm, hiji, ltp, moros, omanes, rythmic, taka, 'luster, xehh)
GeneralHankerchief = 6 (gh, joe, myrd, tiberius, tinc, 'blade)
Saskai Kojiro = 3 (sk, true, xiahou)
Ichigo = 2 (bks, kommo)
Leet Erikson = 2 (husar, leet)
Abstain = 2 (atpg, strange)
Solo Self Selection = 4 (FactionHeir, Kagemusha, Proletariat, Roadkill)
Single Selection (voter) = 10 (shlin28 (chimp), Big King Sanctphrax (gibson), TruePraaetorian (Glenn), Louis VI the Fat (kukri), Chimpyang (winter), Jubal_Barca (pann), Pannonian (pever), The Stranger (makan), Husar (sigurd), Beefy187 (w&f)).
Changed Selection = 6 (Fahad I to Kommodus (ca), GeneralHankerchief to TruePraetorian (glenn), Sasaki Kojiro to Leet Erikson (husar), Ichigo to Andres (ichigo), GeneralHankerchief to unselect (scott), abstain to Kommodus (xehh)).
No Selection = 23 (Caeser the III, Caius, Cowhead418, Draco Leman, Dutch guy, Elite Ferret, Fahad I, Haudegen, Ironside, JimBob, Jubal_Barca, Killfr3nzy, LittleGrizzly, Louis VI the Fat, molonthegreat, Motep, norwegian nerd, Northnovas, Rob_the_Celt, sapi, Warmaster Horus, x-dANGEr , Xdeathfire).
select:beefy187
your name....it.......sounds suspicous
hmm? There's no reason to fake a pm at this stage. W&F would simply call him out and they would both go down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
you cannot select anymore...
It's wolves. :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
Also if I got that tally correctly we have Kommodus and Andres as directors, have to say that I found the tally a bit disturbing at first, seems like you count the votes from up all the way down. :dizzy2:
excitement got to me... i know that:P
Alea iacta est.
Well no one should not get away with being so sloppy either, later in the game there will be bad times coming if you cant tell a real pm from forgery when even writing other players name wrong is allowed when quoting him, without it raising suspicion.:thumbsdown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I think you and Andres were making a mountain out of a molehill. Copy/pasting the text and then adding the name manually is a perfectly legitimate way to quote a pm and not suspicious in the slightest. There's no rule that says mafia are more sloppy than townies, I would expect the opposite in fact. It's better to analyze from a bigger perspective--is it logical for pever to try and fake a pm, does the pm sound legitimate, etc.
We can have two directors? Excellent.
I'd prefer: "Iacta alea east." Romans seem to build their sentences like that, all the time. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Moros
where's the comment pointing to? seems out of the blueQuote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Hmmm, if we could, could we also have 3? 4? 5? where would it stop. we could just arrange it so that loads of people would get the same number of votes.. (2 or so) and then loads are protected.. that would be helpful.
If I understand correctly, each is director for 1 night only.
Glenn, just curious, why did you select me? Randomly or is there a specific reason.
Well this is your opinion and i respect that, but i think the situation should be analyzed from every possible perspective. Pushing Pever a bit over the typo didnt hurt anyone so whats the point complaining about it? Or do you have some kind of information, we rest are not aware off?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
tis night now... innit...
I won't be available for a few days. Unfortunately, the computer is dieing right now, and I'll probably be without the internet for a few days... So, pretty please with sugar on top, don't lynch me while I'm gone...
I'll be back though!
Yes, I resolved the selection tie by having each serve for 1 of the two lynching sessions.
No, there are NOT multiple Directors -- they serve sequentially, as indicated in the text.
Yes, it is now night one.
N1 PMs due from everybody. Dons owe me "signatures"
so... who is director now? its important to know... because directors cant be hit... are they both unattackable now?
Read the story. Kommo is protected tonight, Andres tomorrow night.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
oh oke...
Are you planning a hit on one of the potential directors TS? If this is the case, might I ask why you are planning on such a strategy when there is so little evidence to go on?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
Yeah, means you can't kill them and better focus on protecting me...
yeah... im planning on killing andres... :dizzy: and im already saying so in thread so he can prepare his prayers...
The critical question is why though TS? I know you very well as the fairly aggressive vigilante, although such a strategy on any player at this phase is a ridiculously inadvisable move and helps the mafia more than the town. Although I do not doubt your intentions are not necessarily against the town, I advise you avoid murdering any player until you are more sure on their guilt.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
not if I kill you first! Maybe tonight I'll kill all of you then who'll be laughing?
On a serious note I am also suffering internet troubles as players from the Throne Room already know so I may miss out on a few votes as I have no idea when it is going to go down. This is also my first ever mafia game so please go easy on me.
edit: first part aimed at TS
Missing votes, abstaining or generally lurking is perhaps one of the best ways to get oneself killed by an angry horde of pitchfork wielding peasants. Let's hope your internet holds on just a little bit longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
:balloon2:
i was being sarcastic omanes...
hmmmm but why do you hope I survive? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
veeeeery suspicious...
You misunderstood, I don't have an opinion regarding your hypothetical death, because I can't and don't know if you're a townie or a mafioso.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
:balloon2:
First of all the word east didn't exist in latin. It was oriens back then. Also it doesn't matter wether it Iacta or alea is in front. Alea is in front as it's the Alea which is important. Also Caesar would have said it in Greek, if he indeed ever said it. So it doesn't really matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
*feels exceptionally embarrassed*Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
TS, where you planning on forming a protection group tonight?
Sunset Day One Selection Tally adjusted to actually be readable.
Have a good night.
Well that is a drag. I am afraid Dutch_guy is right though. Nobody knows whom to kill or hang in the first few, confusing rounds. So people generally aim for inexperienced players who don't post. For all they know, the newster may have stopped playing anyway so he won't be missed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
Might I suggest you PM me your role if you are interested in continued participation despite possible internet problems? Then I can vote on your behalf and see to it that nobody mistakes you for an easy picking in your absense. :bow:
so... and sasaki joins the fray...
I also hear that Fatlington bridge is up for sale at a very reasonable price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Why the sudden generous offer Louis? Seems kind of like scaremongering, trying to encourage new players like me to join up.....
maybe he is mafia and needs some roles he can use for cover... i say not give him your role...
Mafia wins with secrecy and by divide and conquer. Town wins by sharing information and by joining forces. :smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
That would be the Eiffat Tower, to be precise. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Great place for suicides too...~;p
Mafia also wins by finding and killing all the detectives and doctors :smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
I don't think TS's story about asking which director was protected quite adds up, but there are more important things to do.
i wouldnt be so bold about it... if i was planning murder
Sasaki, why didn't you like the extra pressure on pevergreen? After all, his mass pm'ing at the beginnig of the game is at the least odd. He can be sincere, but he can also be a Made looking for wiseguys or a wiseguy trying to create his own family...
The W&F - w&f was thin, but it made him and others talk. It made w&f confirm in the thread that he indeed sent that pm.
Since when are you not in favour of discussion?
And "pever wouldn't post a fake pm at the beginning of the game, because blahblahblah" just leads to WIFOM.
https://jimcee.homestead.com/eiffat1.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Louis6tf
LoL.
Such as?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Ko
Guessing: figuring out who to lynch? Is it usual to start that now? Or best to wait for the Director to direct the effort?
:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
Unfortunately, in our messed-up little world, a director is hardly required. After all, we have enough posts from newbies being horribly misconstrued, paranoid people going after people with legitimate excuses for being offline, and "capitalization" smoking guns to put forth a solid effort by ourselves.
Note to self: revise above, it sounds too harsh.
:thinking2: :thinking2: :thinking2:
No, we've accumilated more than enough information in this first day to get started without a Director.
Just to clarify, the reason I made such a long post was not even in support of GH. All I was doing was analysing the role of Director in my opinion. It was also so I could be noticed and possibly be taken seriously by all of you experianced mafia players here:clown: .
As to Pevergreen, I see no reason to coordinate with you, especially now that some people have been suspecting you. If I was to tell you who was in a group of mine, and you were turned or betrayed us, the entire town would be screwed.
I had already heard that w&f had said something like that, it's not wifom because wifom involves an ~50-50 choice, the capitalization issue is bad logic and it's never good to start discussion with bad logic, and with a game this big there's no danger of lack of discussion while there is a danger of lack of focus...remember there are 15 mafia to start with. I remember the last thread solid accusations got buried in 10 pages of posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Lynching Glenn.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
Please summarize your case against Glenn, ignoring the fact that he is relatively new to both Mafia and the .Org and seems to use this awkward posting style in all other forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
You kinda defending him, GH.. He really wanted to elect you before...Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
GH, you probably missed this post
For your convenience:
It's the bolded part that bothers me. It sounds awfully defensive for somebody who isn't underQuote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
pressionpressure :inquisitive:
No, I'm simply defending someone whom I believe is a mistaken lynch target.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge
Those who have played with me and paid close attention to me in the past know that I've always fought against "newbie lynches" who seem to have just misspoke.
1) Paranoia: He is paranoid about his posts, and edited it to add reason. Mafiosos are more paranoid than townies. His reasoning for selection is also bogus as has been pointed out. Paranoia is a well know scumtell.Quote:
Originally Posted by GH
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2) Backtracking: After the initial accusation of paranoia he backtracks, claiming:
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There's no way the initial post can be taken as a joke. He said he was paranoid, came back and edited his post to give a reason because he was worried, and asked us not to look at it too closely. He also asks us what he should do to avoid suspicion, which is another scum tell.
3) Sidestepping: He hasn't responded to the accusation of dishonesty, instead moving to the offensive:
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4) Self PreservationAnd despite his certainty that I am not pro-town, he is willing to offer a truce:
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If a townie thinks someone is guilty, they don't offer a truce for the sake of self preservation. QED. 4 strikes and you're out. Lynch Glenn.
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Really? You think someone who is paranoid, lies about it, sidesteps questions, and acts strongly for self preservation is "misspeaking"? What do you consider scummy short of guaranteed detective investigations?
Behavior that in the past indicated scumminess when the people doing so should have known better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I think we're getting a bit too excited Sasaki. Can't remember you being so attacking from the start SK. We're not trying to spread choas are we? Just had to say that SK, just had to.
Though you do raise valid points. However I think the first kills will reveal much more. And perhaps we might then be able to build a bigger case than the writing style of someone who's writing style doesn't even is known. He might not have defended his case, but aren't mafiosi the guys who'd defend their case the most? (That or they would ignore it, hoping it would be forgotten.)
Re: Andres.
Missed the post when you first did it (and second time too).
Anyway, it was indirect pressure. Sasaki's been dogging Glenn and those who gave (to him) questionable reasoning for electing me. By using some kind of mathematical or logical reasoning, I figured that if he was pressuring my alleged "goons" he'd think that I was in on something too.
So first you say Sasaki is spreading chaos, then you agree with him. Allthough he gives valid points, you say that we have to wait for the kills because they will make for a better case? Then you say that Glenn did not defend his case, but a mafioso would defend his case, but then again he would not defend his case...Quote:
Originally Posted by Moros
Eh...
I'm lost.
Have you been drinking? Or are you scum that feels the need to post and to look like the helpfull townie?
:inquisitive:
:bulb: :bulb2: :bulb:
And in what post exactly was it written that you could be/are linked to Glenn?Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Oh no, there wasn't such a post, you just used "mathematical reasoning"...
So it was a pre-emptive defense?
Sounds like fear of being lynched + a bit of paranoia to me.
You're usually not the kind of guy who loses his nerve and gets paranoid that easily...
Strange to say the least.
:inquisitive:
Well No, I've been drinking a lot lately but I haven't today. Maybe the beer did kill the braincells though. (Not that that would have required a lot of beer though. :laugh4: )Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Anyway my point is, that though he has some valid points, I think he's a bit overreacting. That's all. And that thing about spreading chaos? Wel I just had to ask, I had to. Who said it again? That paranoia in this game was good.
also at least I wasn't pmming in English ~;).
Hmm, let's see...Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
The fact that he (along with a few other people) was being called out specifically for their reasons for voting moi, perhaps?
And yeah, it was a pre-emptive defense. I didn't want to have to wake up with 50 "you said you like the choice of Kommodus, why did you not vote him then?" posts waiting for reply.