Good posts from both Sasaki and Sigurd here. Just get rid of Myrd and cross your fingers that this whole game wasn't a complete sham. It's coming down to whether you'd expect mafia game nastiness from either GH or Silver..
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Good posts from both Sasaki and Sigurd here. Just get rid of Myrd and cross your fingers that this whole game wasn't a complete sham. It's coming down to whether you'd expect mafia game nastiness from either GH or Silver..
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Wow. I would like to inform everyone here, that I had no idea about this suposed twist by Silver...
Firstly, I'd like to say, I don't believe a word of it. As Sasaki says, my initial PM was more coherent than that, and the mistakes there were were spelling, rather than line spacing, out of place spaces, and capitalised letters. This twist is obviously forged.
So the problem I'm faced with now is that I've played the entire game in the belief that I was the joint detective with GH, only, obviously for some reason he seems to feel the need to lie, to me and to the town.
I can only conclude that the 'twist' is that GH is either a mafia, or a mafia supporter, and that he's been manipulating me to reveal misleading advice to the town. In which case I cannot be sure of my previous investigations, or of our joint ones, in fact, dare I say I'd be inclined to say they are not correct.
I must say, I take my hat off to you Silver, this has been a great game :bow: I've got that strange feeling you get at the end of a really good film :grin: I also think this twist is more in keeping with the manipulatative style of the previous game.
Assuming this is the case (personally I'm convinced it is), I think we should look to the list of investigation results. If they were planted by the mafia, then they must have been designed to mislead. Of those named innocent or probably innocent by GH, only two remain:
SigurdQuote:
Originally Posted by GH
He posted very strangly in the first few rounds, resulting in the lynching of two innocents. After the first innocent was lynched, there was no kill. Perhaps they decided he needed cover, then next round realised that not making two kills for the rest of the game would be dangerous. Then when he's in danger next time, myself and GH 'investigate' him, and he comes up innocent...
He then supports us (if I remember correctly) when we reveal.
Divine Wind
He's the CoP, he can't be killed at night, and that give him excellent cover for surviving so late in the game. His voting pattern has also been bizarre.
Vote:Sigurd
I really think we've got em this time... I'm excited, just in case you hadn't notice.
Now about something different. I remember Sasaki posting this early on in the game:
He was talking about words which had been bolded in the kill messages saying he thought he saw a pattern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki
GH now talks about 'a code' to crack in the game. Perhaps this bit was true? To make the rest seem more credible? Did anyone keep track of the words which were bolded in the other kill messages?
This is fun
I'm heading to the chat...
and now, barring a shift in votes that seems unlikely, the entire game hinges on Masy.
So Masy, what will you do.....
Vote: Silver Rusher :whip:
I'm sorry, this doesn't cut it. In the pm posted by GeneralH, it showed that you had pm'd Silver with an investigation choice and the General stated that the way it worked was you both sent pm's to silver and he chose one of them to reply to both of you with. There is no way GeneralH could fabricate the results to mislead you. If he is lying then you are lying, and you have just admitted that he lied.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
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Originally Posted by Silver Rusher
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Also, if Sigurd and GH were mafiosos and you are innocent, then they could have done absolutely nothing and let the town lynch you. Instead GH posts a wild pm and urges the town to lynch his mafia partner? Yeah, sure :dizzy2:
Dear Myrddraal, you were rather quiet in those last rounds and now that you got two votes you come out of your hole, and present us some evidence claiming that you found the godfather who should be Sigurd?
I don't really believe it, sounds more like a desperate attempt to stay alive.
No pressure. Jeez, this game has become even more confusing...Quote:
and now, barring a shift in votes that seems unlikely, the entire game hinges on Masy.
So Masy, what will you do.....
2 Scenarios for me:
1) GH is telling the absolute truth. :inquisitive:
2) GH is pushing this BS in to steer us away from Myrddraal, who he obv doesn't want dead: why would he make such an insane post if he wasn't mafia? Cos he's surely not helping the town out.
Twice he's tried to take Myrddraal off the radar. First with the whole "he's a secreter secret detective" stuff. Now, he's noticed that Myrddraal is heading for a lynching, and has tried some drastic action to shift the focus.
Csar:
I believe this is exactly what GH wants, he wants us to to test his genuineness with the "Sigurd can't die thing", because he wants us to kill Sigurd (who is already under suspicion by some, so a probable lynch choice anyway.)Quote:
Vote: Sigurd I say we find out if it's true or not. I wouldn't put it past Silver to do something like this.
More proof?
Myrddraal
Right. Distance yourself from GH. Convince us that your nothing to do with him, so after this round we don't gun for you. Yet you vote for Sigurd anyway. Also, why have you been so inactive if you're supposedly part of this crazy scheme by Silver? Oh right. I forgot. You didn't know about it, and GH is nothing to do with you...Quote:
Wow. I would like to inform everyone here, that I had no idea about this suposed twist by Silver...
Firstly, I'd like to say, I don't believe a word of it
And Csar, I've had suspicions about you from the start, and your vote for Sigurd leaves me to believe your mafia, along with Myrddraal and GH (ex).
Yes, distract us with more nonsense from this ludicrous post, keep our eyes offa you...Quote:
GH now talks about 'a code' to crack in the game. Perhaps this bit was true? To make the rest seem more credible? Did anyone keep track of the words which were bolded in the other kill messages?
I have not posted much, and threatened few in this game. Well, hows this:
Vote: Myrddraal
And I believe GH was also, and Csar is, in the mafia.
Note: I could be way off track here entirely, but it's all drawing to a close anyway...
I didn't base my vote off of anything GH or Myrd have been saying cause I think it's a bunch of BS. I voted Sigurd because I think he is the Godfather or DW which seems more likely to be it now that I think about it. I highly doubt that Myrd is the Godfather that would be putting himself way to far out there to be lynched(which is happening as we speak). I would change my vote to DW but that would be pointless now.
*****Voting Closed*****
Well, here's the thing.
When GH showed up and posted the "quote" from Silver Rusher, Myrddraal was getting a majority of the votes; it was looking like he'd be lynched. After GH posted, more votes started coming in for Sigurd - heck, my gut reaction was to lynch SF.
Now if GH was a mafioso and Myrddraal was innocent, GH would've just left well-enough alone - he would never try a wierd stunt like that when things were going his way. So I think that the scenario in which GH is guilty and M is innocent is the least likely.
That leaves two scenarios:
1. Both GH and M are guilty. This would explain why GH tried to save M's life.
2. GH's quoted PM is authentic, and Silver really is playing a strange game indeed. In this scenario, GH would've been the only one to receive Silver's second PM, explaining why he defended himself so vigorously.
So I think the right thing to do here is to lynch Myrddraal, on the hope that this game is still for real. Sorry M; you might be just another innocent guy caught up in a bizarre game.
EDIT: Oops, that post got delayed and now I see it's irrelevant. Looks like M's going down after all.
Silver wouldn't do that :balloon2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
Besides, it was GH criticizing his track record in the last game so silver wouldn't have let him in on the secret; GH has been taking the game way more seriously than he would if the whole thing was a sham; theRTWGuru seems to have gotten a detective pm; and silvers pm's don't look like that when he's annoyed. There's also no code that I can see in the pm, though I could just be dense...I couldn't find a code in the bolded sections of the kills either.
Evening in the Gameroom.
Another day, another execution. Soon, only 5 people, that's right, 5, would be left standing. It was a ghost town, with a few survivors still trying to root out whoever had been committing these murders.
The townspeople, at that time, could only feel afraid and sick. However, they got a good laugh that evening.
Chief of Police Divine Wind walked onto to the town centre dressed in a medieval coat of mail armour, complete with norman helmet and tabard with a plantagenet emblem. He was also carrying a billhook. Even Myrddraal couldn't help laughing.
"Hear ye, hear ye," he unscrolled a handbill and began reading, "Myrddraal hast been found guilty by thine townspeople and is sentenced to death by burning at the stake."
In keeping with the execution method, he had tried to keep up a medieval facade. But this was broken when he began pouring petrol over the bound collection of sticks and twigs. He then quickly fastened Myrddraal to it, and set it alight.
The stake didn't even catch fire. This annoyed DW, and he looked at the bottle from which he had poured the petrol.
"Spring Water" were the words written on it.
"Zounds, I do not have the patience for this!" DW exclaimed, attracting more laughs, before stabbing Myrddraal in the neck with his billhook.
Tally:
Myrddraal - 3 votes (Masy, Husar, Sigurd Fafnesbane) :skull:
Sigurd Fafnesbane - 2 votes (Myrddraal, Csar)
Status List
Killed By Mafia:
Lemur
UltraWar
Major Robert Dump
Byzantine Mercenary
Sir Moody
theRTWGuru
Dutch_guy
Xiahou
Cowhead418
Proletariat
Don Corleone
Lynched:
Drisos
Kommodus
Sasaki Kojiro
Ignoramus
Evil_Maniac From Mars
GeneralHankerchief
Seamus Fernanagh
Crazed Rabbit
Myrddraal
PM:
Destroyer of Hope
Wrath of God:
Big King Sanctaphrax
Peasant Phill
Still alive:
Masy
Csar
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Husar
Divine Wind
5 players remain. PM's please.
Well I guess they put one over on us that round. I guess Crazed was innocent. Sigurd is possibly innocent, they would have had to play a risky game this last round if he's the gf.
going to reread Csar's posts.
Oh well. Either the game is over now, or there is at most one more round of voting. Assuming the latter is true, I really don't care who you pick to lynch.
Sasaki, I wish I were as convinced as you that this game hasn't been a farce. I see a couple of potential problems with your argument:
1. You say Silver's annoyed PMs don't look like that. But it wasn't annoyance I sensed in that message; more like amusement.
2. Your argument is primarily based on your belief that "Silver wouldn't do that." Really? Are you sure? How well do you really know the guy?
Make no mistake; I'd like to believe you. But the "twist" described by GH really does fit with our observations in this game so far.
Oh well, if it has been I have a handy instagib button ~D
I thought the game was clear cut and over with, but now I have to decide whether it's Sigurd or Csar that is the godfather.
Thats what I believe, and thats what I'm hoping (Otherwise Silver is really stringing us all along and the whole game was a waste of time.)Quote:
When GH showed up and posted the "quote" from Silver Rusher, Myrddraal was getting a majority of the votes; it was looking like he'd be lynched. After GH posted, more votes started coming in for Sigurd - heck, my gut reaction was to lynch SF.
Now if GH was a mafioso and Myrddraal was innocent, GH would've just left well-enough alone - he would never try a wierd stunt like that when things were going his way. So I think that the scenario in which GH is guilty and M is innocent is the least likely.
My (current) predictions:
Csar/Myrd/GH - MAFIA
Here's hoping.
5 Left: Csar, Divine Wind, Husar, Masy, Sigurd Fafnesbane
1 doomed to die.
Remaining will be 3 voters and 1 non-voter, 1 of whom must be mafia.
Cases can be made for anyone at this point -- see my earlier posts.
If Mafia has a vote, this is the last round: get the mafia or its a 1-1 tie, followed by a murder, followed by a dead CofP for the mafia win.
If Mafia has no vote, then next round is the last round. If you lynch an innocent and the result is not a mafia win, then only Divine Wind can be the Godfather as he is the only one who lacks a vote and cannot force a tie. Lacking a vote he is outnumbered and the game is over with a townie win.
Unfortunately, that means that a mafia win is 50% likely, even at this stage.
So we can leave DW out of it then?
5 alive now -1 killed tonight
4 alive -1 wrong lynch - 1 kill
1 townie + DW
townie votes for DW we win.
Well, somehow its come down to the three suspects GH and Myrd had left after Seamus surviving to this round.
I still think it is either Husar or Masy.
Kommodus- I hope your fragile ectoplasm is ready for a full barrage of tomatos...from beyond the compost heap!
Crazed Rabbit
Wow Crazed, you really do try and make yourself look guilty. I'm almost convinced that there's some kind of twist where you are at least a mafia helper. Myrddraal said GH was lying and he didn't trust him anymore, remember?
Ok, now I'm confuzzled.
Either way, I honestly don't suspect Sigurd or Divine wind, or Csar, which leaves Husar and Masy.
CR
It's Csar I reckon.
Oh man how did I miss that. I guess Csar always seems pretty innocent. I went back through the thread and there is a history of Csar cooperating with GH and Myrd (who have now been proven guilty--see my post above, GH lied, Myrd called him a lier, but there is no way Myrd could not have been in on it). But the early part isn't as important as the last couple rounds.
After Seamus is lynched, with 9 alive. theRTWGuru claims he is detective. Sigurd quotes his post and says he thinks GH and Myrddraal were full of it and Myrddraal is probably a mafioso.
So, he doesn't think GH or Myrd were detectives but he's not going to vote for Myrd. Instead he accuses Sigurd and DW, an accusation later echoed by Myrddraal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csar
Crazed Rabbit just lynched. 6 alive. 2 mafia. If they lynch a townie, they win. Sigurd votes Myrddraal. This is the biggest thing in his favor right now. I just can't see the sense in doing that if you were mafia. It's 3 votes to lynch and you have a gauranteed 2 votes in the pocket. It is possible that Sigurd wished to "prove" his innocence here, but it's still a risky move.
GH posts some stuff urging the town to vote Sigurd. Csar votes Sigurd. Myrddraal votes Sigurd. Will you look at that.
If Csar is godfather: He kept a fairly low profile throughout the game, not throwing out many serious accusations, joking around, and cooperating with 2 known mafiosos.
If Sigurd is godfather: He made outlandish accusations starting from round 2, asking to be lynched if he was wrong, genuinely tried to stop me from being lynched when his fellow mafioso were trying to and I was accusing them strongly, accused his fellow mafioso with 9 alive, and voted for him with 6 alive when lynching a townie would win the game. The only way this works is if he had decided from the start to play a bold game, and planned from a coulpe of rounds back to ditch Myrddraal to make himself look innocent. He also sounds genuine. His opinion of my guilt/innocence has gone back and forth. If he's guilty he's played a really good game.
I have to say it's really looking like Csar. I'd like to hear from both of them however.
Csar, a chat room regular, has also been conspicuously absent from the org chat around basically this time period. He's been blaming it on technical issues, but it's possible he didn't wanna have to be around us lieing all night, since 60% of the chatting in there is mafia related. Today he's back in as his chat problems are supposedly not as bad.
I don't know what's wrong with his chat client, but it seems to me with irc programs, they either work or they don't (you're isp is banned from the server or whatever). Csar, can you describe what problems you're having with it?
Answered that in the same post Sasaki. There's no point in voting for a mafioso when your trying to get the Godfather and I thought Myrd was only a mafia goon not the Godfather. Which it seems that I was right:beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki
I think it's quite smart actually and it seems to be working like a charm on you Sasaki:smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki
I haven't believed anything GH or Myrd has posted so far. Why the hell would I believe some crack-pot story of GH'sthat he most likely made up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki
I haven't had much to throw out there you and all the other people pretty much did all that me chiming in would have been pointless. I always joke around Sasaki:beam: What the hell when did I cooperate with the two know Mafioso's?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki
Prole look in the Chat Trouble in the Watchtower and you'll see what my problem is. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki
Look in the Watchtower. In the Chat Trouble or whatever it's called thread you can read there what my problem is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
It took you a really long time to type that.
To answer you,
You voted with GH and Myrd several times this game. You say you don't believe anything GH says, so why did you vote for Sigurd when GH told you too?
I'm a slow typer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Huh? When did he tell me to vote Sigurd?
^^hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Csar