Trapped in Taormina [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Mithrandir

I just stated a few posts back that my hunches were going nowhere so I'd rather trust random.org

as for being flippant... check my posts outside the gameroom, you'll find I'm always 'flippant' (if I've found the right definition that is).

naieve: yes. This ismy first maffia game. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/image...nquisitive.gif

but much much much more important: I swore on all that is camel that I;m not maffia.

unvote

Vote: Omanes


For not believing my oath on all that is camel and lurking except for when you're in trouble.

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From my perspective, you've just voted for me because I've voted for you - a fairly scummy reason. It also seems like a self-preservation vote - we were tied and now you have broken the tie to save yourself? A townie never fears death - a mafioso on the other hand, does.

As for only posting when I'm in trouble, if that is the case it's purely coincidental. I can only really have the opportunity to post during the day phases final hours which gives a bandwagon or accusation chance to take shape against me (as I've said). I have in the past posted when not in trouble though - indeed most of my posts have been under that circumstance.

On that note, you've just posted because you happen to be in trouble. The irony, which is also demonstrated by your activity levels being quite close to mine, is fairly clear.

I skimmed most of the sigurd-pk discussion. There's no point in lynching SK-bait, and we can't lynch a dead player.

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Originally Posted by Makanye

nope my vote had a reasoning - one you seem to be keen to ignore

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Originally Posted by Me

Have no idea left - except mafia is obviously being cleverer than the rest of us
Vote: Sasaki

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In longer words; our efforts so far to find any mafia at all by deductions based on their posts - looking for mistakes they may have made and suspicious voting and posting patterns have failed to produce any reduction in the numbers of kills per night. The killers also seem to have been excessively fortunate in not either wasting a kill by attacking same victim, or accidentally taking one of the other killers. Though they do seem to have both taken out the pro-town roles and most people previously on the suspects list. This seems to imply the killers have better intelligence than us, are possibly cooperating and have avoided making any cliched mafia give away mistakes... Sasaki seems the most likely person left capable of pulling that off.

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It is indeed a careless vote and uses false logic. For one thing killing suspects is a bad mafia strategy so it doesn't make sense to describe it as clever. Second, it's the fifth day. A look at past games reveals that it is rare to find mafia by analysis before this point, because there aren't enough posts. Looking for mistakes and examining voting patterns is the most successful way for a townie to find mafia. This isn't questionable. Your vote is also careless because there are many smart, successful and experienced mafia on the alive list who you make no attempt to examine.

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unless of course the mafia know that too and avoid it - you seem to be adopting a particularly blinkered approach to that possibility. Which makes me think it may be just because its convenient for you.

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This is incorrect. Even if the mafia avoid it it is still their instinct. Because the mafia really don't care. And if they do make a more thought out post, it is then up for examination and cross questioning. This is the second or third time you've used poor logic to justify your previous vote on me. It's a common mafia strategy when accused of a vote lacking in substance.

Remember, With three potential WoG's and 4 potential kills, the size of the town could conceivably be cut in half. You're not the only one who could do with more substance.

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Originally Posted by Makanyane

Do you have any reason for that other than the fact that the first night after Juliette was buried - her brother put his victims head on her newly dug grave?

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Aside from the other suspicions already voiced about Haudagen, no.

Since I'm still on the list, you can basically call it wishful thinking on my part to hope Juliette's brother is dead.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Since you are voting for Omanes currently, that presumably means you think Omanes is the MiB. Please explain why you think this. So far the only evidence against Omanes that I have seen is his lack of activity. How could you possibly suspect he's the MiB?

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It's a guess. I don't have more to go on. But since I have a 33% chance of being killed by Juliette's brother tonight, I am literally gambling with my life.
(my "trapped in taormina" life, that is)

He's been suspicious. Others have noticed it. I'm content to cast my vote and roll the dice. If he isn't Juliette's brother, he might be mafia. Either way, I'm happy.

new tally:

Omanes 3 (Curio, Privateerkev, Mithrandir)

NorthNovas 2 (TinCow, Sasaki)
Mithrandir 2 (Elite Ferret, Omanes)

Sasaki 1 (Makanye)
W&F 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Caius 1 (W&F)

Abstain: 1 (Caius)

Lynch at will - I promise not to stop you. If it helps you turn your attention onto guilty players then I'm willing to make that sacrifice :shrug:

Northnovas is a better lynch.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Northnovas is a better lynch.

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How do you figure? When reading a post where one is the subject I see how much of nothing goes into the post. It is hard to do a statement an analysis when there is no statement.

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[QUOTE=Sasaki Kojiro]Possible his not being online meant he didn't send a kill? Not evidence of it. A nothing vote.
Still no vote. He does vote for 00Jebus.

Next few posts aren't interesting, just apologies for missing votes and lurking.

This is the interesting set:
Just catching up on the current post.

unvote:axel
vote:Haudegen

Going on a hunch!

He appears to be voting for popular candidates indiscriminately with fake reasons at times. Good lynch choice.

First I do not have any orders to send. I wasn't online because of the time difference and being on the road last week I was unable to log in during the day. When I did I just missed Andres cut off warning.

PK made a good point about Axel and went with but when Axel explained his activity I unvoted and went with Haudegen that was not obviously a good vote. Everyone seems a little stumped locating the mafia. My vote was as good as some of the analysing I have been reading.

Post to little suspicious, post too much a target. I am not one to post an opinion when there is not much to go on it's not my style.

Your first night activity is still supicious to me and other members. I think if I was mafia I would be posting the same but not trying to explain myself when I miss a vote or how I vote. I would rather stay under the RADAR. I haven't this game because I have nothing to hide.

Vote: Northnovas

Lets get a townie lynch and with more mafia kills tonight; will put the town in great shape for a win.

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Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites

From my perspective, you've just voted for me because I've voted for you

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That's right.

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Originally Posted by Omanes

It also seems like a self-preservation vote - we were tied and now you have broken the tie to save yourself?

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indeed.

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Originally Posted by Omanes

A townie never fears death - a mafioso on the other hand, does.

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Why is that? Both maffioso and townies need to stay alive to win. Aside from that, I enjoy the game so I want to stay in, that's not odd.

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Originally Posted by Omanes

As for only posting when I'm in trouble, if that is the case it's purely coincidental. I can only really have the opportunity to post during the day phases final hours which gives a bandwagon or accusation chance to take shape against me (as I've said).

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~:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by omanes

On that note, you've just posted because you happen to be in trouble. The irony, which is also demonstrated by your activity levels being quite close to mine, is fairly clear.

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Another lie, since this is the first round where someone voted for me, though I have been active all rounds, unlike some other players :inquisitive:


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*** Sorry, screenshots are not allowed - Andres ***

I was asking him a question about the Night 4 PM he sent me when I was with the prostitute.

Apologies to host :bow: I was not actively aware about the no screenshots rule.

*edit*

I just found out Mod's can see invisible people. I simply think that knowledge is important so no one assumes that no one can see them if they are in invisible mode.

The rest is unimportant and was just a misunderstanding. I'm sorry for my part in it. :bow:


new tally:

Omanes 3 (Curio, Privateerkev, Mithrandir)
NorthNovas 3 (TinCow, Sasaki, Northnovas)

Mithrandir 2 (Elite Ferret, Omanes)

Sasaki 1 (Makanye)
W&F 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Caius 1 (W&F)

Abstain: 1 (Caius)

EDIT: nvmind - answering edited post

We can see invisible and the name of the person they are pm'ing.

Ok, I was not aware of that fact, I thought all could see the currently online list. I did not take into account that I could see more than others.

I will ride my camel out of town (suicide from this game) to prevent any misunderstandings.

:bow:

I personally believe this is something the players should know about. We have a right to know if Mod's can see our accounts when we think they can't.

But since Andres is the GM, I will defer to him and he can edit my posts as he wishes. :bow:

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Originally Posted by Mithrandir

Ok, I was not aware of that fact, I thought all could see the currently online list. I did not take into account that I could see more than others.

I will ride my camel out of town (suicide from this game) to prevent any misunderstandings.

:bow:

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I really don't think that's necessary. The rules were not posted in the first post. It was easy to miss them and you shouldn't be faulted for not noticing them, since no one ever pointed them out in this thread.

Moderators can see through invisible mode, but it's not something we can switch on/off, so "exploiting Mod powers" sounds a bit too harsh.

The first post mentions:

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Originally Posted by Andres

* no screenshots

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I know you were really enjoying this game Mithrandir and I really hate to do this, but rules are rules...

So sorry, but I'll have to accept Mith's suicide.

Mithrandir, I respect your honorable attitude. Apologies wholeheartedly accepted. You're always welcome in any of my future games, good sir :bow:

Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

Might as well do something useful with my free vote. As I've said before, I don't trust him and we can't guarantee the psychopathic brother is going to get him either.

Tally
Omanes Alexandrapolites - 3 (Curio, Privateerkev, Mithrandir)
Northnovas - 3 (TinCow, Sasaki Kojiro, Northnovas)

Sasaki Kojiro - 2 (Makanyane, Omanes Alexandrapolites)

woad&fangs - 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Caius - 1 (woad&fangs)

Abstain - 1 (Caius)

Some part of me wasn't enjoying the game quite as much after night 3 anyway ~;).

Voting closed. Votes will be counted and write-up posted.

Stand by for execution.

Please let my camel live at least Andres....

Day 5 - Conclusion

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Porta Messina - Taormina - 10.30 p.m.

It was hot that day. Even now, at 10.30 pm it was still 30° Celsius.

The smell of anxious sweat was dominating.

Several people were being found suspicious.

Two of them were most probably guilty, according to the townspeople.

Both Northnovas and Omanes were put forward. The mob started to hit them both and somebody had two ropes ready for them.

"Wait! Wait! We shouldn't lynch more then one person each day! The Carabinieri said so!" a voice yelled.

"Screw the Carabnieri! He's dead now! What good were his rules for him, eh? Lynch them both! Blood, we want to see blood."

"No!", a tall man stepped forward. "We have to obey the rules!"

The crowd yelled at the man.

"I will rather die then break the rules," the man, also known as Mithrandir, said.

He ran to the funivia and jumped, yelling : "My noble camel who died bravely during the eruption, I..."

SPLASH!

The people were shocked. Somebody did a recount and noticed that Northnovas had more votes then Omanes.

The crying Northnovas soon had a rope around his neck. Before he could make a last wish, he was swinging on the Porta Messina. A few minutes later, Northnovas was no more.

"Tommorow morning at the Teatro Greco", somebody yelled. Everybody nodded in agreement.

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Before going to bed, Bananabob and Tratorix decided to take a walk to the funivia, to see if they could retrieve Mithrandir's body to give it a proper burial. When they reached the edge, however, Bananabob slipped away. Tratorix tried to save him, but the 120 kilo's of Bananabob, who had discovered the delicious Penne ala Norma, a local speciality, were too much for Tratorix and they both fell down, a sickening "splash" sound marking the end of their lives.

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Tally:

Northnovas - 3 :skull: (TinCow, Sasaki Kojiro, Northnovas)

Omanes Alexandrapolites - 3 2 (Curio, Privateerkev, Mithrandir (after Mith's suicide, Omanes only had 2 votes (death can't vote))

Sasaki Kojiro - 2 (Makanyane, Omanes Alexandrapolites)

woad&fangs - 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Caius - 1 (woad&fangs)
Mithrandir - 1 (Elite Ferret)

Abstain - 1 (Caius)

Not voting: Tiberius, axel, Bananabob, Tratorix, Proletariat.



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Alive (13)

Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
Omanes
Caius
Gaius Sribonius Curio
Sasaki Kojiro
TinCow
Elite Ferret
LittleGrizzly
axel
Makanyane
Privateerkev
Proletariat

Killed (12)
Seamus Fermanagh
GeneralHankerchief
makaikhaan
Glenn
Crazed Rabbit
Ichigo
Kukrikhan
AntiWarmanCake
pevergreen
Rythmic
Husar
Haudegen


Lynched (5)
shlin28
00jebus
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sarathos
Northnovas

WoG'ed (4)
Zorg
TwilightBlade
Bananabob
Tratorix

Suicide (4)

Hiji
Beefy187
Yaropolk
Mithrandir

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It's now night. PM's please. Night willl last until +/- 22.00 (GMT +2)

So, is this the first time a person was the deciding vote on his own lynch?

My camels don't die, they just lay down when they get bored of killing enemies. Nothing can kill them, not even a vulcano. When a camel steps into lava, the camel doesn't get burned, the lava gets camelled.

(slightly altered chuck norris quote)

One less town member. :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

So, is this the first time a person was the deciding vote on his own lynch?

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It does rather lack the mafioso self preservation instinct....

2 actually.

Anyway, FOS: Sasaki, Privateerkev, TinCow & Omanes.

*returns to sauna*

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Originally Posted by Gaius Scribonius Curio

You mean with the victims bleeding slowly to death? Do you think there is a connection?

I think that would be unlikely, but possible.

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:no:

And to Sasaki: Bow down to the list.

Hi

I just came home, and read this topic it seems there s been somme voting but for somme reason i cant find real suspision and most are just voting one and other with little reason, i know i am new in this game and did nt talk much but its hard to lynch or say sommeone is innocent with out a good reason!! me my self got somme thoughts about somme players but all in good time.

I know i am to late to vote and i know he killed him self but i

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UNVOTE MITHRANDIR

reason he wos new like myself and got the honor to redraw (kill himself) and i thought the reason to vote mithrandir wosent a hard reason.
There are more voters voting and following others then just making a good vote from there selfs.
Ps i am innocent i wos eating my pizza:yes:
Cheers mates

Ok guys, how can we believe the analysis of people who write names like "Haudagen" or "Mayankane"? The first person to write "Huser" will get banned from my upcoming mafia game* and lose 1000 imaginary rubber-friendship points with me, okay?!

I mean, come on, pipikev and Omaris.**

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*there is none
**this is a friendly reminder, proper reception of possibly included attempts at humor not guaranteed but hoped for

I also think that Northnovas might have been a good lynch, or not.