I do see your point. It did occur to me that it was perhaps a host mistake, but i thought it might have been corrected by now if that was the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I guess we have no choice but to lynch Edse and see...
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I do see your point. It did occur to me that it was perhaps a host mistake, but i thought it might have been corrected by now if that was the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I guess we have no choice but to lynch Edse and see...
Unvote; vote: Raith. Randomizer could have changed all the results involving Visor.
Unvote; vote: Raith
A randomizer makes a tracker completely worthless. I seriously doubt it's a role included here.
Keep in mind, that still does not explain the mafia's kill, guys.
They didn't randomize their own kill, that's how they end up shooting themselves. If you're voting Raith, you're saying you think it's more likely the scums shot themselves pretty much deliberately, than edse simply making stuff up about our vigilante to save El Barto and himself.
Which is more likely guys?
third option being: Edse is telling the truth as he sees it and there is something in the game mechanic which we are not able to explain yet.
Edse is going to be lynched and i cannot change that. I only hope to hear from GH, BSmith and Raith.
That's reaching really far to force a square peg into a round hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
Do as you will, but my prediction here is we'll be back here tomorrow lynching edse.
Fire away. I've been beaten by other stuff, but I'm here now. Anything to make a read easier after my absence.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
Edse has to flip. We can't be sure there is a new mechanic otherwise. Confirming that is easily worth a mistaken lynch even if he didn't look relatively evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
That Raith's a tricksy son of a gun. Shoot his own mafia team. I wouldn't out it past him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Confirmed edse mislynch would be worth knowing for sure that there's a randomizer or something like that.
Not that there is such a role in this game, it's just a guilty edse imo.
Vote count:
edse (5) - Askthepizzaguy, Raith Kemmler, Eldrick, BSmith, GeneralHankerchief
Raith Kemmler (4) - edse, Golden1Knight, Al Sipsclar, atheotes
Not voting:
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Should I unvote and let the tie rand?
Surely that won't cause everyone in dead villager chat to be super annoyed with me.
Anyway, it's better to flip edse now and solve any doubts about game mechanics.
Unvote; Vote: edse
BSmith, edse and Raith: I think we have our remaining mafia among them.
But the story would have been flawed from the beginning. If it lead to vig Visor being lynched yesterday, I would hang today. Otherwise the mafia would kill Visor tonight (as happened) and I would still hang today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
We now know that there is a scum bus driver, regardless if you believe my claim or not. The mafia probably have full information about night 2 and could have constructed a very believable town bus claim from GH to Punisher if it weren't for me tracking Visor to jht.
Raith's tone in his last posts is taunting, he knows I'm right and laughs at my attempts to convince you.
Yeah, but El Barto would still be alive and Visor would have been lynched, rather than a murder being used on him instead of the masons.Quote:
Originally Posted by edse
You were always dying with that claim, but it would have bought you time and a mislynch. You had 4 votes on you, "it's bad for my survival" is not the correct defense here.
If he was at jht's location then he was killing jht, not Punisher, which doesn't explain Punisher's death.Quote:
We now know that there is a scum bus driver, regardless if you believe my claim or not. The mafia probably have full information about night 2 and could have constructed a very believable town bus claim from GH to Punisher if it weren't for me tracking Visor to jht.
It doesn't work, not on me at least.
If you're somehow town it will be given a serious look, most everyone else looks great.Quote:
Raith's tone in his last posts is taunting, he knows I'm right and laughs at my attempts to convince you.
A 4 vote wagon in 5 hours, not really a serious threat if you look at the votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
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Originally Posted by Eldrick
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There's still 24 hours left today. If there's two mafia left I believe it's Raith and BSmith but you should use todays lynch to test Eldrick, BSmith and GeneralHankerchief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden1Knight
What. Gonna need a explanation for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by edse
Who of them wants to save you, scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler
Vote count:
edse (6) - Askthepizzaguy, Raith Kemmler, Eldrick, BSmith, GeneralHankerchief, Golden1Knight
Raith Kemmler (3) - edse, Al Sipsclar, atheotes
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Just FYI: Night 4 will be longer than the 24 hours described in the rules, because I'll be out camping with 150 insane teenagers. It'll be closer to 40 hours before I'm able to flip that night, and as a result Day 5 will be 56-ish hours instead of 48 (or it could be 32 hours if everyone prefers that. You can let me know in your posts).
I am ok with whatever is comfortable for you.
I dont think there is going to be any changes in the votes. You can cut short this day phase as well if it helps. :bow:
My vote is locked. Your story doesn't explain Punisher's death. Scum will not willingly shoot themselves. If you do actually flip town tracker, then we will reevaluate, but I don't expect you to.
I'm also on board for ending the phase early.
Is this the first mention of a serial killer? Why would he have to be in the mafia team?Quote:
Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler
Yeah, why was Choxorn killed by the mafia? after Pizza made this case against him:Quote:
Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler
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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Raith Kemmler knows there is a serial killer who killed Choxorn and then Punisher. That would mean we're missing some mafia kills. But if their killing power was tied to Punisher, he was away for 5½ days and then 4 days, missing night 1 and night 2 he was killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
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Originally Posted by Sooh
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Originally Posted by Punisher
Day 2 btw, El Barto calls me out on my Visor vote, Raith Kemmler votes for me and Punisher have me as scum lean (for voting Pizza? which I didn't do)
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Originally Posted by El Barto
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Both Raith and Punisher made the same mistake of assuming you were voting for ATPG? :inquisitive: It seems that way...though i must say Raith is not being very specific.
I'll end this day as scheduled, and if I have all night actions by the time I wake up in the morning I'll start Day early, potentially cutting that down a bit as well to like 36 hours.
If anyone feels like that won't work for them, please let me know!
Sounds good to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sooh
Well, the game was "solved" in my previous post, I'll leave that as my legacy. I don't know if you're really worth it though, considering the case against me. The same moment I said "Visor killed jht", I also implied that mafia killed themselves. It's utterly senseless to believe that's a mafia lie.
After I flip you have readjust your theories after this:
1) Visor killed jht
2) There is a scum bus driver
3) There is a serial killer who killed at least Punisher and probably Choxorn and Visor as well.
4) The mafia probably haven't made a single kill
5) There probably is a scanner in the game (my role pm hints at it), I don't know what they've been doing all game.
You're really giving the fourth mafia a free pass today :(
That is a lynch!
edse (6) - Askthepizzaguy, Raith Kemmler, Eldrick, BSmith, GeneralHankerchief, Golden1Knight
Raith Kemmler (3) - edse, Al Sipsclar, atheotes
Not voting:
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They were getting tired now, the furniture. Their numbers were shrinking, but so far they had only found a couple of pieces of rotten (though not literally of course) wood. However, as a particularly loud reading lamp was about to find out, it didn't pay off to stick yourself out.
-You said the fancy schmancy guys sabotaged one of their own! Why on earth would they do that?
-I don't know. Maybe he was as annoying as you?
-You are so full of it. Just look at you! All shiny and stuff!
(Shiny apparently was a way to find designer furniture.)
-You are wrong about me and you'll be sorry! I will leave you with my legacy after I'm gone, though none of you truly deserve it! I am far too good for you people anyway!
The reading lamp gave one final huff, and as the other furniture gathered around it, a shiver.
edse has been lynched!
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
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(This is the short night countdown. If I don't have all night actions before the end of this timer I will add a new timer with a new deadline since I can't be sure that you'll all be online and can see this in time. )
OK, that reduces overall killing power in the game at the very least.
Edse might have been trying to counterclaim vigilante when he challenged visor.
But, that means there needs to still be a long hard look at who Punisher and Barto's partner was.
4 scums and a SK is a bit much in a 17er, unless there's a ton more village power roles and people have been claiming vanilla or mason, so that's not a lot. 2 shot vig and 2 shot commuter and 2 masons might be all we have. Also lol JHT for not using his commutes.
Raith seems like a decent follow up.
Also goes to show you, even analysis and votes which are helpful to town can be right for the wrong reasons. Or wrong for the right reasons. Whatever. 1 less murder per night means we don't get slaughtered tonight like we were going to.
Also, it is important to note that the serial killer and the mafia have been hitting the commuter on night one and possibly the same target as each other on night two, or something.
That's the piece we were missing, a missing kill.
Also, that means Visor was indeed bus driven by a mafia bus driver who is still alive, and targeted GH and was switched to someone else, possibly JHT as edse claimed. There shouldn't be any powers left in play that the bus driver would be helpful with, and its possible they can kill and bus drive at the same time, so just keep it in mind.
Keeping in mind the last mafia remaining is the mafia bus driver, I don't believe the scum team would have wanted to bus him early or repeatedly, so GH is still okay until final 3. I will say I have seen scum mates bus their only power role on d1 before, it's just really rare.
So take a look inside Raith, BSmith, Al, atheotes, and GH. Instead of trying to guess the final scum exactly, try to think who looks genuinely the most townie out of those, and find 3 villagers.
Make sure those villagers really are villagers, and that's GG.
Please do not be absent during voting, please take the torch and bring home a win, it's been a long while since I've had a town win.