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@Pelican - are you VT? yes or no would suffice.
What is the point if Winston's ability? Catch somebody lying about their role?
IIRC, We still dont know who wa responsible for the day kill. I think it must be a another robot.
I also think that a robot is part of the scum and possibly responsible for the day kill.
No longer pushing me heavily, atheotes? What changed?
Oh right, it's no longer politically expedient to get me lynched.
Vote: atheotes
Tally as of post 2403:
Lynch votes
4 votes: Montmorency (Askthepizzaguy, Cuthillius, Dp101, Al Sipsclar)
2 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Montmorency, Murska)
1 votes: atheotes (GeneralHankerchief)
Voting history:Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
I feel Pizza, as town, would not be so terribly and consistently wrong without taking a good hard look at his assumptions and priorities.
Sorry about not being around yesterday.
I did think about the game a little bit, and realized that i would be very angry at myself if we lynched monty over pizza, unless he's a wolf
and tbh i think pizza's way wolfier than monty overall
vote:Pizza
augh now i want pizza
vote: pizza
The more I think about it, the less sense it makes that townpizza tracked me last night. The whole point of his role is either to catch people killing or to catch them in a lie. But how was either of those ever going to happen last night after he made it so obvious that he was going to target me? If he'd been tunnelling me like Monty or something, then it might have been a bit more plausible, but not when he's been calling me lock town for pretty much the whole game.
Incidentally, did pizza ever get around to claiming his other results?
Incidentally, it feels like some people may have missed my second (much more significant) ability when reading my roleclaim:
It is possible that GH is lying about who he targeted last night. Blocking me would have made sense if he was scum (and much less sense if he was town), and since he wouldn't know why his action failed (as far as he would have known, it could have been a town roleblocker) he would have to have told the thread to avoid the possibility of being called on it.Quote:
Beelzebot (Partial Immunity). No robot can carry out a night action against you.
Incidentally, I am quite fond of the word incidentally right now.
Unvote: Pizza
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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
If I'm reading it correctly:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
N1: Tracked Al, who went nowhere
N2: Tracked Newyn, who went nowhere
N3: Blocked/no result
N4: Tracked Winston to JHT
Tally as of post 2411:
Lynch votes
3 votes: Montmorency (Askthepizzaguy, Dp101, Al Sipsclar)
3 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Montmorency, Cuthillius, Winston Hughes)
1 votes: atheotes (GeneralHankerchief)
1 votes: Unvote (Murska)
Not voting: atheotes, johnhughthom, (Murska), Pelican, Riedquat
Voting history:Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
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Man, I need to work on my reading. :shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
I have powerful townie friends. They may not show up, but I assure you, if they did, they'd still vote for me.
How to tell if pizza is town- his suspects never get murdered and no one wants to lynch them, even the people who have said their names as being scummy repeatedly.
He has five suspects instead of 2.
:laugh4: I was hoping Pelican would have responded by now. Dont worry, you are still my top suspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
2? i am expecting 3. You sound confident though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Not saying there's only 2 scums left. Saying it's bad diplo to accuse enough people that you absolutely have to be wrong on some.
Cuth absolutely the number two suspect after Monty. This post passes everyone's sniff test?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
I'm fine with being the lynch today. I have pork chops and a Patriots game to look forward to.
Posts read town. Timing of claim seemed town. Wasn't expecting another power role to even exist, and basically the only way for me to have thought you were scum this game was to catch you doing something suspicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
Your ability set in your role claim seems third party or neutral, with the anti-robot power. I guess you could be the scum role cop or something.
If it wasn't for that role claim and witnessed action, I'd still have you as lock town.
Do you think town has a chance if you're mislynched today?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
It's either 5 lynches or 4 lynches, depending on if Reid votes with us. Assume 4 to be safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
We have time, but I'd prefer that a must-murder role like mine actually eat the necessary murder.
Eating/Game.
bbl
How convinced are you about Monty being scum, pizza?
I am so tempted to call pizza town for this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I did not like that post either. I was anyways scum leaning on him. Just lower in the poeQuote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
If Cuth was wolf, his drop in activity would coincide with town tearing itself on pizza v monty.
Look at how he spun my reaction to what went down last night as a masterful plan on his part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
What kind of tone is that? Forget the nonsense words. What's the tone.
How is a townie at this point in the game feeling like a chessmaster, particularly with his track record?
If you're not sold on Monty, let's get Cuth.
Or just tell me who we're lynching that isn't me. I'll help.
If I'm scum, I'm outed by the claim. Lynching un-outed scum for me right now is fricking dumb.
I'm vanilla town. Still reading and processing, but I'll have a vote in a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
Winston, just unvote me. Don't even vote for anyone else.
Make the round competitive and see who votes where.
Monty + Cuth both guilty. If people don't vote with them, this game gets a whole lot worse for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
Come on, guys. I'm not putting myself into a position where I need to count on all the votes of the people who aren't here, and lose too many of the votes of the people who are here.
Take a look at Monty and Cuth on the other hand. How many living people have each of them alienated?
Does it look like a strategy?
Are either of them suspecting anyone that isn't already suspected by a bunch of other people who might be town?
Small footprints.
Stork had a small footprint, too. Khaan had a small footprint.
I got big honking gorilla feet this game and I've stepped on everyone's toes.
Does it seem right that Monty and Cuth would have small footprints right now? Is that their MO?
It's just halftime. We could own the second half of this game. I just need my team to show up.
Look at the cases I made on townies and the reasons I used.
Was I solving, or killing townies on purpose? I have a bad track record but it's one you can read for intent. No one has a good record right now, and that's one of the arguments being used to lynch me.
I don't have a small footprint. I'm also not running around accusing half the game. I see a number of possible worlds, and I really don't know what to make of this game.
I'm willing to sheep you one more time, though, since we do have time left.
vote:montmorency
Also I was otherwise occupied yesterday and completely forgot about this game for the most part
@Dp101, are you around?
Yup.
Monty's basically outed by his behavior. Who are two people you suspect who aren't outed?
NETA
What are the possible worlds?
Very happy to see that there is finally some support for lynching Pizza. I thought I was going to continue to have my case totally ignored and have to sit and play "how scummy can Pizza get without anyone wanting to lynch him." It's been frustrating not getting much support here and I hope we can finally resolve this today.
So a resounding vote:Pizza from me.
Other than that:
I think someone asked me about Winston at some point, and for the most part I haven't particularly read Winston one way or another. The only thing that has ever stuck in my mind about Winston was his placeholder vote on Ried when Ried was a leading wagon; that was a slight wolf ping. But recently I'm seeing a resonably town-ish mindset and I like the claim.
People I'm not liking, besides Pizza, are Al Sipsclar and Cuth. Cuth's investment in solving the game seems to have been in decline once he was done tunneling Stork. Possibly a wolf struggling to build a case on another target? If Pizza does flip town, I'd look at Cuth next. Al Sips is straight up hiding. Vote today looks kinda bad if Pizza is scum.
I don't know what I'd get from a Monty flip, necessarily, and I don't really think he's a wolf at this point. But if Pizza flips town, I'll have to reevaluate.
Umm...
I think that's everything for now. I have the feeling I'm missing something important but my thoughts are still a little scattered.
Oh wait, Cuth is off of his Pizza vote? Let's go out on a limb then and Cuth Pizza and Al Sips are the mafia team. That's my best guess as of now. Please, let's lynch Pizza.
Not sure who this was directed at, but will answer anyway. I still kind of want to lynch General, but his night actions have seemed to have realistic results, even though they could fit into a mafia agenda. Not that sure about the second, if you are right about Cuth then I have a pretty neat theory as to who the final mafia is (if there is another one after everyone else I have mentioned flips mafia).Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Didn't you think Monty was scum at one point, Pel mel? What happened with that?
The number of people saying Cuth is scum keeps increasing, votes on Cuth remain zero.
For the record, I hate both of these lynch choices. I know, lolmafia maneuvering for brownie points afterward, but Pizza and Monty are pretty much my two biggest townreads at this point for a couple of reasons and it's my belief that the mafia are just laughing their butts off right now and have been for the entire dayphase.
I really, really want there to be a third option.
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Originally Posted by Dp101
What is your role, or are you not willing to claim that at this point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
Look at where Cuth said he thought I was way scummier than Monty, then flipped his vote up.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
If we're both town somehow, he's literally always scum.
I thought my "why don't you lynch me" post I made made it pretty clear I was vanilla.
No Monty posts in betweenQuote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
This is some townie solving right here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
Would you be willing to switch your vote?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
If you think he's scum, Pelican, prove it with your vote.
Yeah. Monty can keep for one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Okay, let's do this.
Vote: Cuthilius
Vote: Cuthillius
Yes, you did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
Still think his D1 claim that I am lock town was too premature to be a mafia move, I don't think I will join you on him yet.
I'm not scum.
Tally as of post 2458:
Lynch votes
3 votes: Montmorency (Dp101, Al Sipsclar, Cuthillius)
3 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Montmorency, Winston Hughes, Pelican)
1 votes: Unvote (Murska)
1 votes: Cuthilius (GeneralHankerchief)
1 votes: Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy)
Voting history:Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
I've a gut feeling Vote: Al Sipsclar is scum.
I'll probably return to vote for one of the likely-to-pass wagons before I go to sleep though.
What reasons?Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
If you all want the easy way out, just lynch Al Sipsclar and if he flips town, blame him for losing the game for town.
X-posted with Murska. :laugh4:
Lynch votes
3 votes: Montmorency (Dp101, Al Sipsclar, Cuthillius)
3 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Montmorency, Winston Hughes, Pelican)
1 votes: Unvote (Murska)
1 votes: Cuthilius (GeneralHankerchief)
1 votes: Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy)
Assume I'm never getting the three votes on me. Cuth's not voting himself, that's 4 who won't vote there. Murska unwilling to commit, Dp doesn't want to go there. Al voted his one time all round, so that's probably where it will remain. I could only get five on Cuth, and I pretty much need literally all five to make that happen.
So I'd need atheotes, johnhughthom, and Reidquat. Reidquat technically has no need to vote for anyone in particular.
GH, the tally won't cut it unless minds change.
My only real case against Monty was that he was being vague and general, and then he stopped being vague and general and started going after my top scumread, so I dropped it. He's not ruled out as a suspect, but stronger evidence has presented itself for other targets, so Monty's not a top priority for me anymore. Like I said, If you're town, I'll have to reevaluate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I'd still rather lynch you, but if EOD comes and I still can't get the support, then I will settle for your scum pal Cuth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Would you actually show up for this end of day?
ATPG, you can sway Winston, and Pelican's other suspects are Cuth and Al.
Also pretty sure you're going to get the needed support to lynch me. Way to not take a bold stand.
Murska, why did you take your vote off Pizza?
I think Al's a compromise easy town lynch. I'm willing to compromise on my suspects, not merely change the order of the mislynches.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
I don't know if Winston's swayable. I'll try, just in case.
I mean if it's Al 4, Pizza 4, I vote Al. But that's not gonna nab a scum, imo. The scums are here right now taking advantage of the fact that town is divided and couldn't agree on the color of shit.
It's numerically very difficult to lynch a scum this round, if only because of the number of townies with opinions that don't overlap.
I basically need the support of some of my own suspects just to get anything done.
I gotta vote Monty if another vote doesn't appear on Cuth before I go to bed, GH.
I'll give it 3 hours, maybe 4.
Started doing a little reading on the alternatives.
I thought maybe atheotes, but he actually looks pretty good in iso.
Al has given us so little to work with that it's very difficult to make any kind of call.
john is john.
Winston, I can't lynch a scum without your help this round. I need your vote on Monty if you won't go to Cuth.
Pelican.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Saying stuff like this does not help to convince me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
On Monty, I'm wondering why a scum would be so resolutely wrong about you and me. When either of us shows up town, he's going to look terrible. Unless the pair of you are pulling one of those insane bussing gambits (and this would be a pretty extreme version even for you), I just don't see the motivation for sticking his neck out so far.
On Cuth, I guess I could go there. I recall a few townie moments, but he's capable of the faking and the general flow of his posting doesn't scream town at me.
It doesn't matter if he looks terrible. By then, the body count will have been worth the trade.
The body count in question is just one. And there's also the fact that keeping us as main suspects would give scumMonty good reason not to nightkill us, which is dumb given the threats our powers represent (well, mine doesn't represent much of a threat anymore, but it might have looked that way before I revealed).Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
What would make sense of it, I suppose, is Monty and GH being scumbuddies. At this point, I'm finding myself coming around to GH as the scummiest player remaining, based both on tone and actions. So I'm not entirely writing off that possibility. But you now seem convinced that GH is town, so I don't really know what to think.
The hardest argument is the one where I try to tell a skeptical audience that not only do I need them, but they actually need me.
In politics, it's hard to get a coalition of people with non-conflicting interests to even give a shit about one another's interests for long enough to get anything done, because the "no" faction has a simpler message. It's simpler, and it's always united, because saying no to the idea that we need one another can apply to pretty much any situation. And since the ideology is that simple, it's easy to keep like-minded people as friends.
Complicated ideas, contradictions, exceptions, that's harder. Townie work is harder and people get hurt along the way.
I'm trying to make that argument to a skeptical audience right now.
Monty's argument is pizza is scum, and that's all he's saying.
Cuth's argument, until a few moments ago, was pizza is scum, and that's all he's saying.
They have an easy argument and they don't even need to convince you. I can't prove they are scum, I can only ask you to look at their behavior. Post count high, actual involvement tapering off, actual footprint of suspects low.
They are giving you fewer agenda items to disagree with them on. It works, it's just crowd control. It's always crowd control, that's why I make the footprint argument.
People are intelligent on their own but as a group, it's so much easier to manipulate them, and all you need to do is be less disagreeable.
Come on, guys. This is the purest beating heart of me. This is the way I play town.
If you mislynch me today, as I know I said before, it's not over. But it's still two voices gone. And we're having trouble agreeing as it stands.
One of us can't help you tomorrow, maybe two. We have to get it together here.
If you have to lynch me first, then please, look at the size of the accusation footprint of those who remain. Not from here onward, in the past. Before this round and including this one.
And you will have to vote together, you can't just skip off on a suspect that you can quickly check the math and go, that's only ever going to get a minority of the votes, and won't beat the suspect that everyone agrees on.
You have to mind the tally.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053685414
^
This is what happens when you don't.
I don't know what else to say. I'm trying to be relatable and explain the gravity of the situation, but I've got all the charisma of Hillary Clinton this game and I've called half of you deplorable. I get it.
I'm still the best you've got on the chopping block. Get someone scummier in it.