EMFM do you believe sigurd is innocent? What makes you think prole wasn't protected by a doctor?
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EMFM do you believe sigurd is innocent? What makes you think prole wasn't protected by a doctor?
I'm not sure about Sigurd. I haven't been keeping up to date as well as I could have with this thread. Prole, on the other hand, has been attacked and defended constantly. Now, I'm not sure exactly how this works, but since she basically has a guarantee of protection, if she is a non-Mafia, why doesn't she say her role?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Vote Tran
Going to put my trust in JimBob
I have to go to bed now...
But a lot of interesting information is coming my way.
Be warned, much of it concerns this alleged FBI agent that JimBob has in his employment. This is not looking good for the mafia hiding in his ranks.
More on this tomorrow when I have the chance to piece it all together.
Vote well… and make sure you are able to switch votes when the **** hits the fan.
Good night
Vote: Sigurd
Why were you not lynched last phase?
Plus Jimbob is a confirmed town, your not.
Perhaps I was over-reacting to the source attribution. Maybe I was even confusing players a bit. Future reference, just note your general source a bit and I'll pretty much have to accept it. PMs prior to death would be perfectly acceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Sorry for the confusion.
You are correct, all players had at least one Red text bullet point.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
She's never been asked...you want to lynch someone for that over detective results?Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
I just think it's a little coincidental that Proletariat has had protection every night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
A question for you: If Sigurd was lynched, given the evidence available, would you lynch Proletariat the next round?
Vote: Sigurd
Time to bring another Don down.
Vote:Sigurd
I think you are a don and that means lynching.
Joe
I don't see why you'd take "a little coincidental" over "fbi detective result". I'm trying to see if your voting prole to save your don.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
What I get from the attacks is that someone really wants prole dead. I don't see why mafia would attack her every night if they thought she was a don--a don is practically guaranteed protection.
Vote: Sigurd
I believe TinCow..he has been declared pro-twon from the beginning of the game by numerous people, so why would he lie about detective results?
Also, Drisos did say Sigurd was a don at the very beginning..and he is not playing very pro-town at all. With so many accusations, it would do the town a favor to get rid of such person.
Mafia status as of N7:
--Stracci. Don: Omanes A. (dead), Luca: Dutch Guy (dead), Made: Andres (dead), NorthNovas (dead), Former associated wise guy: LouisVI (dead), associated wise guys or mades: Tran, Gibson. Calling Card: Pink ballet slippers. Victims: Drisos (detective, N1), Pannonian (wise guy, N3), Motep (wise guy, N5), Louis VI (N6), attempted hits on GH (N2, N3), Proletariat (N4), Craterus (N6), Sasaki (N7), Brave Sir Robin (N7).
--Corleone. Don: Sigurd (according to JimBob's contacts), Luca: Unknown, Made: Tiberius of the Drake (dead), several unknown associated wise guys. Calling Card: Weather balloons and religious paraphernalia. Victims: Glenn (crusader?, N3), Beefy (townie, N3), The Stranger (townie, N3), GH (wise guy, N4), attempted hits on Glenn (N2) and Proletariat (N4, N5, N6?).
--Tataglia. Family member: Makanyane (according to JimBob's contacts)
--Barzini. (Rose group according to Louis), associated wise guy: Ichigo (according to Louis)
--Cunnio.
Rose group (Barzinis according to Louis). Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Unknown, associated wise guys if any: unknown. Calling Card: Rose and a preference for explosives. Victims: Zorg (wise guy, N3), Moros (N4, wise guy or wolf-type character), Chimpyang (townie, N5, black rose), Lt. Pinard (N6), attempted hit on CR (N6, white rose), possible attempted hit on Proletariat (N4).
Italian Destiny group (Tataglia or Cunnio if Louis is correct about the Barzinis). Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Unknown, associated wise guys if any: unknown. Calling Card: an Italian phrase (destiny is inexorable). Victims: Kamikhaan (townie, N5), ajaxfetish (N6), Husar (N7).
According to JimBob and TinCow, TinCow has infiltrated a resurgent Stracci family, consisting of Tran, NorthNovas, and gibsonsg91921. NorthNovas has already been killed, and the two have yet to specify what roles each of the three have.
The Tataglia have responded to the Corleones' call for truce, according to TosaInu's second relayed communication.
Omanes suspected Sigurd to be the don of the Barzinis, JimBob is sure he is the don of the Corleones.
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Musings:
xdeathfire and twilightblade have both fled to the police immediately after being attacked (xdeath on N1, twilight on N5). They may have a similar role, and this action would seem to suggest it's a pro-town one.
Lone killers with calling cards or consistent modi operandi
--.577 Webley. A rogue killer of unknown motivation. A single individual using the same weapon shot both Kommodus (luca, N4) and Woad&Fangs (wise guy, N5).
--King of Hearts. Another lone killer is operating, using knives and leaving King of Hearts playing cards. He participated in killing Woad & Fangs (N5) and Louis VI (N6), and attempted a kill on TinCow (N7). In both cases he was not the only killer involved (the .577 Webley guy also targeted Kommodus and the Stracchis also targeted Louis), yet in both cases each of the killers seemed surprised the other was there. This knife wielder has left the words 'dead rat' and 'traitor' on the cards he has left behind, so may be a mafia-aligned character whose objective is killing those who turn on the mafia from within. This is clearly the case for Louis, though Kommodus story is less clear.
Sasaki's looks like a mafia hit, failed due to protection, Straccis according to TinCow.
Brave Sir Robin was attacked by an incomplete group. Straccis according to TinCow.
Proletariat was attacked it seems by a lone assassin, and a snake charmer at that. Her trustworthy protection comes through yet again, meaning she has been attacked and successfully defended ever since N4 (four nights in a row, now).
Society for Creative Anachronism. JimBob's crusader vigilante team engaged in a failed hit on Tran, who survived possibly due to Luca protection but more likely due to mafia don luck. JimBob claims he also directed the successful hit on NorthNovas, equally theatrical but without the crusader elements.
Husar was a successful mafia hit by the Italian Destiny family.
TinCow's attack is interesting. He was attacked by the King of Hearts, knife-wielding assassin, who seems to be targeting mafia traitors. TinCow's claim to have infiltrated and betrayed the new Straccis would justify this assassin's interest in him. This is the first time the assassin attacked completely alone, and the first time he failed. There was no evidence of a protector for TinCow. Sigurd has suggested that TinCow is in reality a don and survived by luck. Of course Beefy's N1 attack suggests that some regular townies may also have a lucky streak. And there's a third possibility. Perhaps the knife-wielder can't kill a target if he's the only one to attack them. Mr. .577 Webley was also present for Kommodus' killing, and the Straccis for Louis'.
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Post-mortem results:
15 pro-town
Townie: Lord Winter, Beefy, taka, the Stranger, FahadI, killfr3nzy, Sapi, Xiahou, Rhythmic, molonthegreat, Chimpyang, Kamikhaan
Detective: Drisos
Crusader?: Glenn, Rob the Celt
10 neutral
Wise Guy: Pevergreen, Hannibal, Pannonian, Zorg, GH, x-Danger, Moros (though Moros may be an unaffiliated mafia member), Motep, WarmasterHorus, Woad&Fangs
4 mafia
Made: Tiberius (Corleone), Andres (Stracci)
Luca: Kommodus (family unknown)
Don: Omanes (Stracchi)
Ajax
Sigurd's going to get lynched anyways. BTW, I missed this "evidence" you speak of. Can you refer me to a page? Once again, I'm a little behind with this game, mostly because of Victonia.Quote:
I don't see why you'd take "a little coincidental" over "fbi detective result". I'm trying to see if your voting prole to save your don.
Doesn't that mean we should lynch her then? If a Don is guaranteed protection, and she's always protected...really, make the connection.Quote:
What I get from the attacks is that someone really wants prole dead. I don't see why mafia would attack her every night if they thought she was a don--a don is practically guaranteed protection.
ajaxfetish, here is the info you requested. To make sure this complies with the rules, I want to emphasize that all of this information was provided to me in PMs from the living Stracchi (Andres, Dutch_guy, and eventually Northnovas and gibson91921) before they died. If anyone really doubts this information, I can dig up the PMs to prove it.
Northnovas was promoted to Made after N5. He had been working with the Stracchi since N4, and officially joined the family mid-way through N7.
gibson91921 is still a wiseguy, but is ready for advancement to Made. He has been working with the Stracchi since N4, and officially joined the family mid-way through N7.
Tran is probably still a wiseguy, but I'm not 100% sure about that. At a minimum, he is probably ready for advancement to Made He has been working with the Stracchi since before I got access to their information, but I do not know if he has ever officially joined the family.
The kills Northnovas and gibson participated in are as follows:
N2 - taka - failed
N3 - taka - succeeded (with GH)
N4 - Xiahou - succeeded (with GH)
N5 - Motep - succeeded
N6 - Craterus - failed
N7 - Sasaki - failed
I have less information on Tran, but I was informed of the following:
N6 - Louis VI - succeeded (with Dutch_guy)
N7 - Brave_Sir_Robin - failed
Oh, wouldn't want to forget my vote.
Vote: Sigurd
I have to agree with TinCow on this one; Sigurd in my eyes has come across as scummy; and his attempts at making everyone not vote for him so he can reveal this 'sepcial info' seem scummy as well.
Though probably not needed with the overwhelming votes now:
Vote: Sigurd
Thanks, TinCow ~:).
I'll update my post.
Ajax
Current tally
Sigurd - 10 (Sasaki, Kage, Myrddraal, shlin, sarathos, CA, Joe Monks, True Praetorian, TinCow, Warluster)
Proletatriat - 2 (CR, EMFM)
Tran - 1 (Little Grizzly)
TinCow 1 (Sigurd)
vote: abstain
for now.
It's interesting how both Louis and I died after Crazed Rabbit gave us certain information, also note that I attacked him in the thread and said I had more evidence that he may be guilty, now I'm dead, interesting, isn't it?
He's also the guy who claims that Sigurd has to die and who keeps attacking prole in the thread and I believe both of them (especially prole) to be innocent, I know why prole survived, I organized it, but I wasn't her luca.
That doesn't mean I won't have fun seeing the town go down because so far a lot of what I have seen in this thread seems like "we"(I wouldn't count certain people into this group) deserve it. :sweatdrop:
Anyone noticed that Sasaki was protected by a surgeon?
This would indicate that Prole has probably been protected by both doctors, one before that's now a surgeon and tonight the other doctor. I would say that it means that she got one really important role and some of the mafia knows about it.Quote:
fact, more than a few rounds had ricocheted dangerously close to the shooters themselves. They themselves had come closer to death than their target!
That or Seamus is fooling us with the unknown protector and she's a don. But I don't think there's enough single saves to promote a surgeon if you count out Prole.
For voting I'll run the classical
Vote: Abstain
Sigurd will most likely go today, but I would like to see this information he claims he got first.
Vote: Abstain
I dunno who to vote
vote:Proletariat
I'd liek to see a defence
I'd like to see a reason, I just gave you a defense but maybe you're unable to read? Or just guilty? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
The Prole situation is very easy to resolve. She has been protected by a single person on every single night that she was attacked, even the night when Husar claims his group protected her as well. That's either a Doctor/Surgeon or a Luca. If it's a Doctor/Surgeon, that person should be perfectly happy informing JimBob that they have been protecting Prole. JimBob is 100% trustworthy and he will not pass on information to anyone else, even other pro-townies, if you ask it of him. All that is required to clear Prole is for the Doctor/Surgeon to contact JimBob and explain the situation. Then JimBob can tell us that Prole is cleared of suspicion and we can start looking at other targets. Since there is no reason for a Doctor/Surgeon not to talk to JimBob, we can also conclude that if he is not contacted by anyone, that Prole is protected by a Luca.
Precisely. ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
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Originally Posted by Ironside
Reading this post I decided to check that conclusion.
This is Seamus' attacked list:
Attacked: (27) Andres (N2, N3), Beefy187 (N1), Brave Sir Robin (N7), Caius (N3), Craterus (N6), Crazed Rabbit (N6), Cowhead418 (N2), Evil_Maniac from Mars (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N2, N3), Glenn (N1, N2), Kagemusha (N6), Proletariat (N4, N4, N5, N6, N7), Sasaki Kojiro (N5, N7), taka (N2), Tran (N5, N7), TinCow (N7), Twilightblade (N4, N5), Xdeathfire (N1)
Going through all this:
(Key:
Protected by a townie group or Seamus' police (as director)
Protected by individual
Seemingly lucky escape)
Andres N2: Protected by Seamus' policemen (he was director).
Andres N3: Protected by a LaSalle driver.
Beefy187 N1: Survives by luck?
Brave Sir Robin N7: Attack fails. Only one attacker, missing a partner.
Caius N3: Attack fails. Multiple attackers turn up, but not enough, his escape is uncovered.
Craterus N6: Protected by a lone man, who pushes a bed to cover his fall.
Crazed Rabbit N6: Attacked by white rose mafia, attack fails, only one attacker turns up.
Cowhead418 N2: Saved by his landlady. This doesn't seem like a protector, rather it seems more like another lucky escape.
Evil_Maniac from Mars N3: Attacked by 2 people, but escapes. Seamus' comment "If the attackers had been only a bit better organized…" implies that it failed due to insufficient attackers.
GeneralHankerchief N2: Attacked by asian mafia, only one out of 2 attackers turn up, attack fails.
GeneralHankerchief N3: Attacked by several attackers, but survives by luck.
Glenn N1: Protected by a lone pretzel vendor.
Glenn N2: Protected by a lone gunman.
Kagemusha N6: Attacked by 2 gunmen, protected by a lone secretive waiter.
Proletariat N4: Attacked by weatherballoon mafia, somebody cuts the ropes to save her.
Proletariat N4: Attacked by Stacci, protected by lone car driver
Proletariat N5: Attacked by a single St. Michael man, defended by cloaked and masked figure and a townie protection group of 4 people
Proletariat N6: Attacked by a lone syringe armed attacker, protected by masked figure
Proletariat N7: Attacked by snake thrower, protected by snake catcher.
Sasaki N5: Pushed into road by lone attacker, who's partner doesn't show up to run him over. Attack fails.
Sasaki N7: Protected by lone car replacer
Taka N2: Survives by amazing luck
Tran N5: Attacked by two, but it's not enough, he escapes through an uncovered exit. Attack fails.
Tran N7: Attacked by JimBob's vigilante group, survives by luck
TinCow N7: Attacked by lone assasin (Playing card man), survives by luck?
TwilightBlade N4: Attacked by two car drivers, but not enough, one alley is uncovered. Attack fails.
TwilightBlade N5: Attacked by three people, but not enough, the back of the truck is uncovered. Attack fails.
Xdeathfire N1: Attacked by lone gunman, this isn't enough, the attack fails.
So, what can we conclude from all this. Firstly, townie protection groups aren't doing so well, with only one successful protection, which was covered anyway.
Secondly, we have 11 individual protections. However, as Ironside pointed out, we seem to have seen only our first surgeon protection last night.
This means that either we have a lot of doctors, who are getting one or two protections each, or we have some Luca's in the equation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus
The interesting part is Prole's protectors. Of the 11 individual protections, 5 have been protecting prole.
Now it seems to me this can only be one individual protecting her. It would be a remarkable coincidence if three doctors had been sharing her protection duty, all of them avoiding becoming a surgeon.
And yet, prole's protector clearly is not a surgeon. In the last protection, he reaches out and grabs a snake, but instead of throwing it at the attacker (or doing anything which might threaten the attacker) he simply ties the dead snake to a locked door.
I submit therefore that Prole must be protected by a Luca, which makes her a Don. Perhaps the FBI agent could check this out?
Other things to note. We have a lot of people surviving by luck. Some of them have confirmed roles, and are not Dons. Hence surviving an attack by luck is not enough to make a man suspicious. (This didn't stop Sigurd leaping on this to divert attention away from himself).
EDIT: spelling
I know you're limited in what you can say now dead :sad3: but I can't figure out what you mean by that connection, he told you something then decided to kill you afterwards for knowing it? or he/you then told someone else the information and were killed because someone else knew you knew.. ~:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Vote:Sigurd
on overall weight of evidence (Drisos) and not because I trust all JimBob's contacts too much
speaking of which JimBob are you ever going to tell town what sources those results come from? Not asking for names just type of source... Detective A, FBI detective B, inspired guesswork (see TinCow on TP), or results kindly supplied by Sasaki from his trusty Made.... ?
Also, if gibsong is a known made gangster, why not try for a double lynch? If the mafia screw it up, it doesn't really matter. A dead made is a good to the town (if not better) as a dead don.
Unvote: Sigurd
Vote: gibsong
Using the last posted tally:
Sigurd - 10 (Sasaki, Kage, shlin, sarathos, CA, Joe Monks, True Praetorian, TinCow, Warluster, Makanyane)
Proletatriat - 3 (CR, EMFM, Elite Ferret)
gibsong - 1 (Myrddraal)
Tran - 1 (Little Grizzly)
TinCow - 1 (Sigurd)
Abstain - 3 (Haudegen, Ironside, Twilightblade)
I wonder if Sigurd will show up with his ground breaking informations.
unvote: abstain
vote: Sigurd
in order to demonstrate that my patience is limited :whip:
Sigurd - 11 (Sasaki, Kage, shlin, sarathos, CA, Joe Monks, True Praetorian, TinCow, Warluster, Makanyane, Haudegen)
Proletatriat - 3 (CR, EMFM, Elite Ferret)
gibsong - 1 (Myrddraal)
Tran - 1 (Little Grizzly)
TinCow - 1 (Sigurd)
Abstain - 2 (Ironside, Twilightblade)
gibson is not a known Made. All the information I saw was that he was a wiseguy, but with enough kills under his belt to be promoted to Made next time he makes a kill. Currently, though I believe him to still be a wiseguy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
He certainly needs to be disposed of, but I consider him a much lower level target than Sigurd. I would even put Tran above gibson at this point.
Bollox. I told the doctor and prole that his identity should stay between the three of us as he is basically her health insurance, you can ask Louis as we workes closely together and I told him the same, he doesn't know the doctor's identity either. Since he(the doctor, now surgeon) is one of the few townies who are actually reliable and intelligent, he obviously kept it to himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I didn't read your whole post but this is bollox as well. You're assuming things you cannot assume because you don't know how a surgeon works or how a protection of a surgeon would look. You might however have read that last night the protector tried to get a weapon out, I don't remember the exact text but he fought the attacker and tried to ready a weapon, the chance to score a kill on the attacker is only 1/3rd and since the attacker is lonely we can be pretty sure it's a special role and not two mafia mades doing the attack, this may be a hint at the attacker having a higher chance to survive, the description said he was a very strong person. Since it has been mentioned before my death I guess it's okay when I say I was part of the townie group that protected prole once. I knew she had double protection and like I said above, the doctor was her health assurance in case the townie group would fail as I had several failures in protection before. And it's not like there was anyone else worthwhile to protect anyway. If you don't believe me, fine, I'm not sure you're innocent either. ~;pQuote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
No, he said certain things in the night Louis died and gave me a protection target which I should protect, I didn't believe him and protected someone else, turned out this someone else died, protection failure of shlin(he mentioned it here and here)Quote:
Originally Posted by Makanyane
Well, the target that was oh so likely to be attacked according to CR wasn't attacked at all. He may have killed Louis and me simply because he gave us certain other information we cannot mention now but we didn't believe him and attacked him in the thread. Maybe I should've gone ahead earlier but I saw a chance that his info might not be a bunch of lies after all but I guess it was, or maybe he's just very bad at selling it.
If he does have good intentions I appologize but I simply don't see anything he tried or had in mind turned out well and then Louis and I die before we can make certain info about him public, if that isn't interesting then I don't know what is.
Now thats scummy Makanyane. You are claiming that JimBob reveal the names and all the evidence so your mafia family can go and kill the FBI detective this night?Quote:
Originally Posted by Makanyane
Hmm. Well, I want to believe you because I do think you have been working for the town from the beginning. However, what guarantee do we have that you haven't been fooled by them? Part of my personal difficulty is that I have not seen Prole do anything to help the town at any time. If she's so important that she has convinced a doctor to protect her every single day, then surely she should be doing something significant to help us. I don't see that happening. If she is pro-town, she had better start producing something to justify this constant Doctor protection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
There's no sense in me revealing my role in the thread now. I've revealed already to a few certain protown players who can vouch for me. Right now I prefer watching this weak bandwagon on me by players like EMFM (criminal). Husar already detailed how I've been protected and it's 100% correct. What else do you want? The actual doctor's name?
Earlier in the game when I had information on GH and suspicions of Sasaki, I brought them to the thread and I was asked to hush or get my head straight. I was absolutely right about GH and wrong, (maybe not altogether, but in my reasoning anyway) about Sasaki. Since then I've been working through PMs and using the small amount of reliable information to make decisions.
These lynches have mostly been disasters or mistakes so far, so I don't know what you're expecting me to pull off in this thread.
Vote: Tran Sigurd is either as good as dead or will exonerate himself, and plus, I'm one of those weird townies that votes to lynch confirmed mafia.
Tally soon
Sigurd - 11 (Sasaki, Kage, shlin, sarathos, CA, Joe Monks, True Praetorian, TinCow, Warluster, Makanyane, Haudegen)
Proletatriat - 3 (CR, EMFM, Elite Ferret)
gibsong - 1 (Myrddraal)
Tran - 2 (Little Grizzly, Prole)
Abstain - 2 (Ironside, Twilightblade)
Ok.. I am sorry that I was not able to do this earlier.
RL and family at weekends demands my time.
I have pieced together all the small hints and insinuations I have received via pm.
And here is what came out of it.
Jimbob, I don’t know what you are doing but you are dishonest regarding this FBI agent claim.
You have at least one Don infiltrating your organisation. This Don is posing as your FBI agent. But I have suspicions that you already know this. This is why the pro-town should take heed. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
You suddenly changed your claim over night from alluding to two investigations on me that were both guilty to one innocent and one guilty. Why did you mention two investigations in the first place and make us all think you got two guilty reads. And you probably know by now that it would be a 1/18 chance of finding a Don from that second investigation. But I take it you didn’t know this or the Don mole didn’t when posting the claim.
I am probably un-saveable at this point so I might as well spill out all I know about this since I wouldn’t be able to do so after I die.
I am not a Don, but I have worked for the mafia. I have been contacted several times by Capo II’s version of the Wolf. This wolf has put me in contact with the most powerful Dons. They are allowed to call in favours in the form of hits. I am the Hitman. I killed w&f, Louis and lastly tried to kill TinCow. They were all orders from the mafia Dons. My win conditions will be a result of how many points I am able to gain from these killings.
I was contacted last night by several of the dead Mafiosi who relayed messages from their Dons. Apparently CR infiltrated the Don meetings and by using his pro-account read IP addresses of the different posters. Apparently he found one belonging to BKKB which is the largest ISP in Hordaland. It is the state owned power company and the IP would have been the backbone address. Now… I suspect that CR relayed this information to Jimbob and posed as the FBI agent.
Am I correct?
Yes CR got through the pm checks and got into the meeting hiding as a Don. Apparently he didn’t fail any of the tests showing that he had his hands on a genuine Capo II Don Role pm. He didn’t even stumble on choosing one of the 5 names.
Back to the IP thing. A lot of Norwegians use this ISP and would have the same back bone address. I suspect there are other players from my part of the world in this game?
The point is… there were no FBI agent investigations… It is all a hoax and Jimbob, CR and Tincow are all in it together.
I suspect foul play and the town should take action and demand a proper explanation. For me it is probably too late. You will all see that I am not Don Corleone but the Hitman in about three days.
CR is a Don, Tincow might be a Don… Sasaki I am not sure about. There is nothing that I can point at, other than pushing for my lynch based on non existing FBI agent investigations.
I have been contacted by the FBI agent or someone close to the FBI agent. This FBI agent does not trust that Jimbob does what is right for the town. He should cleanse his organisation of moles first.
My role is neutral so I don’t care either way.
Please accept my apologies for that. I did that intentionally to try to keep GH alive, since his lynch votes were getting very high. I suppose that deserves an explanation...Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
At that point, I was working with GH, Northnovas, and gibson in an attempt to make a 6th mafia family. When GH died, that became pointless (I was a townie, so there was no possibility to make kills with the three surviving members). The rest wanted to join the Stracchi, but I thought that was a bad idea and wanted to go pro-town. I tried to convince them of this, but I stopped when it became obvious that I was the only one who held that position. So, I pretended to go along with their plan, with them thinking I was operating as an informant within the townie groups. In fact, I was giving all my information to JimBob and helping influence the Stracchi to hit mafia targets instead of townie targets. JimBob can confirm this, as I came clean on everything early on. When the Stracchi decided to start targeting townies, we decided it was time to eliminate them for good, hence last night's actions and the information I have provided since then.
Again, apologies for that 'attack' post earlier. It was an intentional tactic on my part to keep votes off of GH.
No apology necessary at all, since you were quite right. Up to that point all I was basically posting was 'LYNCH GH' with only a little substance. I just wanted to explain why no one's getting any crowd moving speeches out of me. Louis had a few posts that were perfectly clear and laid everything out in detail in those rounds but they still fell on deaf ears. At that point I was convinced no one but the mafia players were even interested in the game, so I got a little more quiet in the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
btw, missed Sigurd's vote on TinCow, sorry
Taking Haudegen's tally and putting my vote back into Prole's version.
Sigurd - 11 (Sasaki, Kage, shlin, sara, CA, JMonks, TP, TinCow, Warluster, Mak, Haudegen)
Proletatriat - 3 (CR, EMFM, Elite Ferret)
Tran - 2 (Little Grizzly, Prole)
TinCow - 1 (Sigurd)
gibsong - 1 (Myrddraal)
Abstain - 2 (Ironside, Twilightblade)
I still say you took the easy way out. Where's your sense of adventure?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Well, sigurds explanation seems entirely reasonable. Unless someone can see part of his story that doesn't check out or Jimbob can post the part of the fbi detective role pm that shows how he can find a don then maybe we should switch to tran.
unvote:sigurd,vote:tran
I for one am very disappointed in all the mafia betrayers we've had this game. Either plan the infiltration from the beginning or stick with the family, don't quit when going gets rough and snitch :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
unvote: Prole
vote: Sigurd
One flaw in your big 'expose' there Sigurd - I don't have a pro account with any chat room places, or any websites in the world. By that I assume something you have to pay to obtain.
And about the don meeting - if it was a meeting of dons, and I don't think there are any other Norwegian players in the game (Norwegian Nerd apparently doesn't live there), then how would a Norwegian IP show up if you were not at the meeting? Unless the hitman was invited to chat at the don meeting, which would be silly if it was a don meeting.
Sasaki - Sigurd is a mafia killer who can kill on his own, if you believe him.
tally
Sigurd - 11 ( Kage, CR, shlin, sara, CA, JMonks, TP, TinCow, Warluster, Mak, Haudegen)
Proletatriat - 2 (EMFM, Elite Ferret)
Tran - 3 (Little Grizzly, Prole, Sasaki)
TinCow - 1 (Sigurd)
gibsong - 1 (Myrddraal)
CR
@Sigurd.
I can see that this might all be set up to save you. Andres communicates to the mafia through the public thread (when he could have gone private through dead confirmed mafia) something about a Hitman, and then you come up with this.
I'm inclined to believe that a Hitman role exists, it fits the descriptions, but why should we believe it's you. After all, if you are a mafia don you'd know all about the hitman role.
So if you want me to not vote for you, you have to convince me that you're going pro-town. So spill the beans, you didn't reveal all yet.
Who's the wolf, who are the mafia dons.
If you don't tell, then whatever the case you are still pro-mafia, and should be lynched.
Unvote: gibsong
Vote: Sigurd
Sigurd - 12 (Sasaki, Kage, shlin, sara, CA, JMonks, TP, TinCow, Warluster, Mak, Haudegen, Myrddraal)
Proletatriat - 3 (CR, EMFM, Elite Ferret)
Tran - 2 (Little Grizzly, Prole)
TinCow - 1 (Sigurd)
Abstain - 2 (Ironside, Twilightblade)
New tally (I missed the most recent post)
tally
Sigurd - 12 ( Kage, CR, shlin, sara, CA, JMonks, TP, TinCow, Warluster, Mak, Haudegen, Myrddraal)
Proletatriat - 2 (EMFM, Elite Ferret)
Tran - 3 (Little Grizzly, Prole, Sasaki)
TinCow - 1 (Sigurd)
I am just using the pieces of information that I got.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
So you are saying you never attended the Don meeting or never posed as Don?
I have two different players claim this. One says you told this in confidence and bragging about it, another comes from the mafia itself.
Shame we can't get an extension on this vote. It'll be interesting later to see who lined up where on this lynch.
I don't really know the identities of the Dons. The Shadow never told and he is dead now anyways. I get the orders from Seamus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
I have my suspicions of who they are though. I named two. Lynch them and in three days you will know for sure.
But I can't really say more since I am dead and this belong in the red sections of my pm...
It has been a fun game...
Well, clearly that information is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
Earlier you presumed to tell the town how to run its business. You are an admitted mafia role, and so whatever you suggest should be ignored.
You also haven't addressed the hole in your logic:
You should be especially ignored if you claim to advise the town and know mafia roles, but withhold them from the town.Quote:
And about the don meeting - if it was a meeting of dons, and I don't think there are any other Norwegian players in the game (Norwegian Nerd apparently doesn't live there), then how would a Norwegian IP show up if you were not at the meeting? Unless the hitman was invited to chat at the don meeting, which would be silly if it was a don meeting.
CR
unvote,vote:sigurd
You can't hold back on names.
You're not dead yet. Reveal what you can.
It is past the deadlineQuote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I am now officially dead... and there is another Norwegian player.
Don't do it, Sigurd! Don't give them the names! If the mafia has any hope of winning, the Dons must remain protected.
Lame excuse, Sigurd. Think of this as the period were you are being taken to the gallows. You can still talk.
Who's the other Norwegian player?
LOL! From a self proclaimed 'pro town' player!Quote:
Don't do it, Sigurd! Don't give them the names! If the mafia has any hope of winning, the Dons must remain protected.
CR
Well, I doubt the hitman was a pro town character. I thought maybe we could get you to work for the town the way the serial killer did last game.
You aren't officially dead until seamus posts and you know that.
Oh come on, I think that charade is pretty well shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
I'd agree. I was just remembering a couple days ago, when you used your postmortem as proof of your pro-townness.
We can't even trust the dead who are found not guilty by Seamus's officers.
CR
I you want anything from me... admit that the FBI agent claim is false. Only then can I trust the information I got.
The shadow (Capo II's version of the Wolf) was a dutchman. I am not sure if I am allowed to actually name him (red section).
And as I said... I don't know the name of the Dons. And the IP thing, if CR is claiming it is all false, is no longer relevant. This other player could be framed as I was.
I don't know who Don Corleone is or the others. All I know is that someone claimed that CR infiltrated the Don meeting posing as a Don and using a genuine pm to get in.
The other is TinCow's magically survival of my hit. I have a better chance of killing than other mades or serial killers.
I can even penetrate protections. I guess it was intended that i should take hand of infiltrations. The shadow would contact the most powerful dons and solicit kills.
Apparently large families would have problems with infiltrations. And I guess all my targets were infiltrators or traitors.
Your information truly is worthless then, because you named me. It is very well known that I participated in the vigilante hits on Factionheir and Northnovas. If you check the write-up, those hits were made by 4 people. If I was a Don, my participation would not have counted, and thus they could only have succeeded if all three other participants were wiseguys. I will not produce the names of the people who helped me on those hits, since I do not want to expose them. But there are a good number of people who know who at least some of those people are, and several of them are verified townies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
Even if Sigurd is the Hitman, I think he's a perfect lynch. His role is pro-Mafia and he can kill on his own. That's even more dangerous than a Made.
Why don't you all hang Tran now and get to the bottom of this first? :idea2:
* fades away *
Another point regarding Sigurd's preposterous claims... if CR was a Don, why would he want the Hitman dead? Clearly the Hitman helps all mafia families, so lynching him will hurt them. CR has been gunning for Sigurd for the last several days. Sigurd's statements make no sense at all.
I have been lynched.. you can't undo that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I see... you still hold to the 'Sigurd is Don Corleone' theory?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Well, you know who to lynch when my hitman result comes up in three days time.
The only way TinCow and CR will win this is if they are able to cripple the town before then. Well played.
No, I find your statements somewhat believable. I don't hold to your "CR and TinCow are Dons" theory. They are completely at odds with the known facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
Now TinCow, is really JimBob a Don?
Well.. what have you to say about the FBI investigations? the ones you saw yourself?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
So tincow, if before you assured us that there was an fbi informant and now you are saying you believe sigurd to be the hitman, what does that mean?
I say that I have seen the results and I have a great deal of reason to believe that the person who provided them was or is indeed the real FBI detective. I am not foolish enough to say the name of the person in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
It means that JimBob and I have more information that we have not given out for security reasons. You can either believe that, or you can believe that we are mafia. I leave that choice up to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Is there actually an FBI agent between CR, JimBob and TinCow? Or did you guys just see the Norwegian ip and assume Sigurd is a Don, then claim FBI to lend weight to it?
That's basically what I've gotten so far, and now Tran gets another night for killing/recruiting/promoting.
So, you're saying that even assuming that Sigurd is the Hitman, you'd prefer to eliminate Tran, a wiseguy, than a mafia-ally that can kill by himself?
dude, there's a surgeon out there, a couple doctors, and plenty of protection groups. You don't even have to reveal the name of the person, just tell us why he claimed sigurd was a don when it seems he might be the hitman. Not that sigurd isn't good at faking a roleclaim but his didn't have a real "trying to save myself" feel to it. Do you still believe sigurd is a don?
There are more options than you telling the truth or you being mafia.
I'll leave that decision up to JimBob. He has had a lot more contact with the FBI detective than I have. His opinion would also carry far more weight than mine under the current circumstances.
Long post, so spoiled:
***********************Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
:bomb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus
:lipsrsealed2:
Sigurd is lynched anyway... remember his story, and follow his leads if he appears to really have been a hitman when we hear his roll in three days.
I still think Sigurd's the don - his story has too many holes.
How would anyone find a norwegian IP, as he claims, if he wasn't at the Don meeting?
And again, what other Norwegian players are in the game?
He never posted a role PM, even part.
CR
Come on, we all know there is no FBI information on you by now. I still believe that there is a good chance the FBI agent is for real and sincerely wants to help the town by having you lynched ( it is a pro-town action by any standard), but there are no investigation results on you. Logic dictates this.Quote:
I you want anything from me... admit that the FBI agent claim is false. Only then can I trust the information I got.
Now please, spill your guts and name your mafia contacts and stuff. :yes:
Because I didn't know until it had already happened. I was slightly pissed about not being informed. Northnovas wasn't informed either, and it sparked something of a minor crisis for a moment within the Stracchi group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
I did not let them kill anyone that I knew was innocent. I had no information whatsoever about Motep. I decided that it was worth the risk that he was a townie in order to keep getting information out of the Stracchi. Just as you thought it was worth risking Glenn's life to do whatever it is that you did on the night that you got him killed.Quote:
Also, why have you been pushing for my lynch even after you had 'infiltrated' the Stracchi's? And why did you let the Strachi's kill innocents?
I actively encouraged the Stracchis to hit Craterus, because I believe he is a Don. I also actively encouraged them to hit Sasaki, because I've gotten bad vibes from him for a while now. However, I became a lot less clear about Sasaki recently, and for that reason he was specifically warned about that he was going to be hit on N7. Brave_Sir_Robin was never at risk, because I knew that the third person the Stracchi's were trying to get to help with that hit would not cooperate with them.
Regarding my votes to Lynch you, for understandable reasons, I did not trust you. Also, when I first called you out for getting Glenn killed, I was still working on the whole 6th Family plan. GH did not get killed until after that, so I was trying to direct attention to people other than him. The fact that all the information I provided on you was true simply made it a credible distraction at the time. For the record, I still don't trust you.
You are free to hold that opinion. I admit I'm not an expert at mafia. This is my first game and perhaps I have made some blunders that more experienced people like you would not have. All I can do is say what I did and let you make up your own minds about it.Quote:
You, on the other hand, go around killing innocents, vote to have pro-town players lynched, use your big project Mayhem to misdirect protection groups to people you know aren't going to be attacked, and then rat out the Stracchi's when you are found out. :idea2:
The fourth person was scottishranger. Have fun lynching him. The fifth person I will not reveal, as he is pro-town. It was not me, as I was killing Northnovas. I felt I owed it to him to do him in personally, because he and I are friends from the KOTR PBM. That is why he died with a knife in the back. It was a specific request I made of Seamus.Quote:
On n6 and n7 there were four attackers from this family. Dutch died yesterday, so he was probably the fourth on n6. But who was the fourth on n7? And who was the fifth one on n7? The one who didn't show up - that person with questionable parentage? You yourself?
Of course. I know things that I do not think should be public knowledge, just as you do.Quote:
Are you still hiding stuff from us? :whip:
No, I think Tran survived by luck, just as I did and just as beefy did.Quote:
Also, Tran was protected by a single person last night. Unless we have a doctor with a seriuously twisted sense of humour in our midst, Tran is the new don then. Not a wiseguy like you persist in. And so he couldn't be night-killed by a townie vigilante group. A waste of town effort...at best.
Don't bother, I'm sure I'll be dead soon.Quote:
*starts bandwagon on TinCow for 'infiltrating' the Stracchi's and lying about it too :smash: *
JimBob did not list every result he has because he wanted to get more evidence on some of them. He has the full lists from each of the people that reported info to him. Just because he chose to post select information from those lists does not make the lists themselves faulty.Quote:
Why are the detective results that JimBob has incomplete!?
I believe Craterus to be a Don. I have no idea about Doctors, because I do not know the identity of a single one.Quote:
About Craterus, why was he protected by a single person on n6? Luca or doctor? Does JimBob know the identity of this doctor?
I agree with this.Quote:
And I still FoS all Dutch / Norwegian(?) players for the role of Don Corleone. Unless it was The Shadow (wolf) itself who called for the Don meeting.