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I also enjoyed watching Germany, and my complicated ancestry allows me support numerous teams, and they by far were the most spontaneous and gutsy of the teams I was going for. But I'd have to agree that the refereeing has be appalling to say the least.
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Originally Posted by Quid
Much as I like to see Germany lose, for once perhaps I did not. I can indeed only applaud their effort. Good football, great fun to watch, fantastic crowds. Heute war ich auch ein Berliner and all that. Sorry to see you go and thanks for a very welcoming world cup.
That was the civilized post.
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Teh uncivilized:
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My ultimate fantasy of prying the World Cup from the cold dead hands of a defeated, ruined, devastated Germany, in Berlin, is now forever shattered. :wall:
Portugal:
My new arch-enemies. :skull:
They couldn't resist making a fool of Ribéry. Yes he doesn't speak English, he's a kid from the banlieues, eh? And yes he's ugly, he was involved in a nasty car accident when he was a small boy. And no for a moment he didn't remember who Scolari was, he's a shy 23-year old put in front of the spotlights when giving a press-conference to the international press.
The guy comes from the most unfortunate of social and personal backgrounds, yet dragged himself out of it. More than that, he's a great character, more polite and kind than anybody could expect for a person of his circumstances.
And then they have the nerve to call him an idiot. :furious3: :furious3: :furious3:
I hope Ribéry scores six goals against them.
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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
you mean after the match against the argentines? or before the match against the italians?Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
or did i miss something?actually, i thought this was one of the best officiated matches of the WC so far. the foul you talk about was the only bad call of the game, iirc.. but it was pretty bad.Quote:
I cannot lie and say that I didn't scream the two goals of the "tanos" against Germany, and also say that Germany didn't diserve the cup... But talking about bad refering, what the hell was that free kick near the area of the italians in the second half? If it was foul (wich wasn't) it should have been penalty... again, politics anyone? The refering was aweful in general and it escalates as we reach the final...
I liked Germany for just one thing though, they never surrender, never... That's what we call "huevos" (guts, balls, etc.).:2thumbsup:
Personally I thought that the two yellows given to Germany were bollocks!
Very good game I thought and although I thought Germany were unfortunate I think Italy deserved to win.
Hmmm I really wanted germany to win this cup this time :no:
The Italians should make movies, not play football! I hope they suffer the most humiliating defeat they've ever suffered against France in the finals!
actually, i thought this was one of the best officiated matches of the WC so far
are u kidding? The Italians were diving at least once every minute, and judging from how long they were turning with their supposed pains after each such situation, you'd think there would be at most one or two players standing at the end of the game. But what happens? Well, 2 minutes before the end they score 2 annoying goals and they don't seem the least injured! The ref always stops the game when the Italians (or Brazilians as it often is in so many other WCs) lie down and play hurt. Then the opponent must play the ball over the line and thus loses a good chance for attacking. The Italian/Brazilian team then gets refreshments, drinks, massage etc. while the other team isn't prepared for the break. Then when the game begins the Italians/Brazilians have the ball in their possession and can attack again... They're cheaters and if the ref had done his job they should have had around 10 yellow cards by half time for all their diving, instead the opponents gets 2 yellow cards and 10 free kicks against him... I thought Brazil with it's disgraceful diving being out of the tournament was enough, but then I find the Italians doing the same thing still being left, and going all the way to the finals. They should have been kicked out already in the second round against Australia. I think Italy and Brazil are both a disgrace to the sport, and this year I'd say the Italians have been the worst.
Italy deserved to win
They didn't deserve to win the 2nd round game against Australia, so any victory they get after that, whether tactically deserved or not, is IMO a disgrace to the sport. ~:( They should have retroactively been kicked out of the tournament and replaced by Australia after the refs had a look at the replay and found out that the game-winning penalty shot shouldn't have been given in the first place. It's to spit tacticians like Guus Hiddink in the face that the Italians went this far.
And yes, I'm bitter too... :wink:
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I think Germany made a mistake too by not playing with Schweinsteiger from start, secondly they should have waited a bit longer before making the first substitutions. Thirdly, I got the impression they were putting all on getting a quick goal to end the game before full time, rather than trying to survive until penalty shootout. I think that if they hadn't been so eager in their attacks at the end of the extra time they could have had a more solid defense and wouldn't have lost, but instead gotten the game to penalty shootout, which would have been to their advantage. Too bad the Italians, with the help of their cheating, had just enough strength to end the game before the end of the extra time...
Well not much that can be done about the Italian victory (well except for retroactively correctly replacing them by Australia in the finals), so it's time to concentrate on the next game. I'm putting my hopes on LES BLEUS. Portugal haven't been anywhere near their class a while ago, and aren't as entertaining nowadays as they once were (though Holland-Portugal was a nice game, but for other reasons than entertaining playing-style), so I'm putting LES BLEUS as my favorite tonight.
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Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix
Quid
Join the club mate. However, France now has diving cheating Portugal to dispose of, and then I will actually be in France on Sunday, so, and may god (who, as we all know, is English) forgive me for saying it, Allez les Bleus! :france:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
How Italy can be in the final after their performances against Australia and the USA I do not know, still, "that's football". Bad luck Germany.
LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix, I agree with you! Finally someone you thinks along the same lines as me!!! :balloon3:
So I'll have to suffice with a hearty:
Allez les Blues
And I hope they will! A final between these two referee-manipulating anti-football teams would be the most unexiting thing ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by English assassin
Allez les Bleus, france=class.
Great game last night - tremendous pace and intensity to it, no play-acting, played in a tremendous spirit, and a dramatic finish. Congrats to the Italians for coming out and going against the national stereotype, I hope they do the same in the final.
Whats this about Ribery? He's had an excellent tournament, reminds me of a young Freddie Ljunberg.
Oh well, it must be me but I didn't find the refing awful at all ! And I didn't find the Italians to dive after every foul as well, which for them is pretty exceptional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulforged
And yes you're right, if you decide it's a foul, then it had to be a penalty - as it was in the penalty box. But, as it wasn't a foul, I'm glad he didn't call it.
Wow Legio, calm down mate ! I don't know If we watched the same match, I'm getting the impression we haven't. The ref. knew what he was doing and since the Germans made more fouls, he gave the Italians more free kicks, no conspiracy at work here. Now I agree the Italians knocked out Australia with a lot of help from the ref. and that was also the reason I was rooting for the Germans yesterday...however that doesn't take away the fact that the Italians were better yesterday. It was Pirlo that dominated the midfield, not Ballack. The Italians, albeit scoring very late, took risks and that paid off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legio
This was no lucky win, they were better. Not by much, but better still.
Oh well, Looking forward to France kicking Portugal out of the tournament.
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Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix
I agree that Italy deserved to go into final. Last night referee was slightly on German side.
Tradition is not broken.
Italy played in WC final 1970, 12 years later they won (1982), again 12 years later they played in final (1994) and now Italy will win again according to this tradition.:book:
And one more tradition is not broken.
Germany (I count former West Germany, too) never beat Italy in WC games. So far, Italy won twice and two games were draw.
German tradition is broken.
Germany is defeted first time in history in Westfallen stadium in Dortmund! So far, they have only one draw, and everything else were wins.
I still think Serbia was the best.
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We are the last 32th team on tournament. :2thumbsup:
I know, I said it just to annoy you, am I not a little rascall ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeofSerbia
I couldn´t see much of the game yesterday as my TV Card made a dia-show out of it...:wall:
But I agree with Legio that Italy should not have won against Australia that easily. Yesterday I really wanted Germany to win, but had it been Germany vs Australia, I´d probably have been on the side of Australia.
Now I hope the French will survive the Portuguese nastyness and we will gladly give them the Cup after beating Italy 5:0 or so.:2thumbsup:
And Louis, did you really want your team to act like most of the Portuguese(yeah, most, their goalkeeper is great) in your dreams? ~;)
Germany doesn't seem to take the loss very well, lots of nasty incidents against italians...... this is a bit dissapointing :no:
I scored 12 Italians today, another dozen yesterday, got them on the way home...:2thumbsup: :oops:
Now seriously, I didn´t hear or read of any incident so far and beating people up about such a thing is just inane. This is one reason I´m not that proud about our nation winning a soccer championship, it´s not really my work, it´s the work of those players. If I say bad things about the Portuguese players, that is only about those players, I have nothing against the Portuguese people. apparently, some (drunk?) people can´t really get that into their minds.:no:
I thought the ref was pretty good. He didn't blow his little whistle every time someone took a dive, The game had tremendous pace because of this. This is vastly different from all previous games. he also didn't give yellow cards for 'minor' mishaps that FIFA apparently insisted on, like kicking the ball after the whistle was blown. While he didn't call everthing correctly (that free kick was very strange) I thought we got a good match out of it.
Italy deserved the win, if Germany had won they would have deserved it too. Both teams played very well.
Oh No. Its just occured to me that France already won the six nations. Now they will win the world cup too (with any luck) .
Thank god they don't play cricket.
spoken like a true cutie quake champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
Yes, lucky you. What is it with England and alleged English sports...?
Quid
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Originally Posted by English assassin
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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
what the hell are you going on about?
I watched the portuguese press conference and nothing of the sort was said.....were exactly did you see or read this?
P.S.-Just to point out that the "great character, more polite and kind than anybody " fellow kicked ronaldo when he was already on the ground during a play in the France-Brazil game.....and should have seen a red card....none of those guys in there are angels.....let´s not kid ourselfs.
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I've backed them from the start and although they may not deserve to be there, they are! ~D
Great game last night too! :2thumbsup:
Hoping for an Italy - France final.
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Oh common, if there is anything positive to say about portugese sportmanship it would be my inner wish for the ladies to lay theirselves down just as easily after a mild pet on the head. The portugese have talent no doubt, I suggest running for the WC-oscars next time, anti-football at it's worst I say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin