Vote: Hiji
Select: Jimbob
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Vote: Hiji
Select: Jimbob
Why are we lynching Hiji?
a) There is no evidence! We are townies and we think that he is guilty, so we fabricated some fake evidence to convince you. Trust us, we know what we're doing! Remember, last time we did this, a neutral role who had plenty of useful evidence and information about the other mafia families got lynched and is now silenced forever!
b) A Made Gangster investigated him. The results provided by said Made Gangster are trustworthy. The fact that you are not following the lead of a Made Gangster is suspicious. Maybe we'll need to lynch you next round, you dirty mafia scum!
c) Well, we have to lynch somebody :shrug:
d) His name starts with an "H" :no:
e) Everybody is voting Hiji and I'm just going with the flow.
A hitman. A man who's victory conditions are based on how many kills he can performfor the mafia. A man who kills informants and pro-town individuals.
Hmm, hardly a neutral role.
A hitman whose victory conditions most likely include "stay alive", who knew alot of mafiosi and is now dead and thus no longer able to share his information in return for protection at night. A hitman who doesn't ask questions and is able to kill for the town as well.
A neutral role can backstab and decide to play for the other team at any stage of the game. You guys missed a golden opportunity by lynching Sigurd.
And now you are blindly following the lead of those who insisted on lynching a source of information that could have been decisive to obtain a quick town victory.
Just my :2cents:
A bad day, Andres? :beam:
Don't listen to An-.. ehh?
Never mind.
:wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
@ Kukri:
Andres -- though a good chap and my putative boss -- was not the person who came up with the idea for a parallel summaries thread. I don't recall who gave me the idea at/near the time for the start of Capo I (Sasaki? Pan? Me?), but it was done back then before we'd managed to "draft" :devilish: Andres into this little 47-ring circus.
@ Louis:
We use the terms "glaive" and "fauchard" as direct import words. The English only had the "bill" or the "pike" (and most of the English nobility spoke French anyway) so there was never a need to invent a parallel term in English and we've kept the "continental" versions of the names for those weapons.
@ all:
If I've messed up something -- e.g. Xdeath's demise on the list -- bash me off a PM so that I can correct it...PLEASE...There's lots of folks to keep track of and I can and do slip up, but wish to correct such ASAP.
I´m not sure if we can deduct a lot from that, because Seamus isn´t using a strict rule for WOGs. Removing people from play is ultimately in his discretion. He said that himself somewhere. But we should keep an eye on those people. I´d be concerned if they stay inactive and lived on for much longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
Select: JimBob
although I´d like to hear more from him on the current events. C´mon JimBob, give us an inspiring speech :help:
Oh, and vote: ichigo,
he was found guilty of being on JimBob´s blacklist.
Seriously, lets aim for a double lynch today. I don´t think any of the candidates from the blacklist is a priority target. We have nothing to lose.
Tally
Hiji 8 (Sasaki, CR, TinCow, Kukri, TruePraetorian, Cowhead, BSR, Myrd)
shlin 1 (caius)
ichigo 1 (Haudegen)
BTW, Caius, you didn´t state any reason for voting shlin. What´s up?
alexander the pretty good - 3 - 02-11-2008
bks - 5 - 02-07-2008
draco leman - 2 - 02-05-2008
leet erickson - 2 - 02-11-2008
gibsonsg - 3 - 02-13-2008
Out of those 2 i have suspicions of crazed rabbit and leet erickson potential scum perhaps ?
im going to
Vote Ichigo
because he was on the 'black list' and i think perhaps we could go for a mutli lynch because they've gone so well for us in the past
Select JimBob
he just seems the obvious choice, im willing to put my trust in jimbob being pro-town, besides no-one apart from me seems to vote for me
Tally
Hiji 8 (Sasaki, CR, TinCow, Kukri, TruePraetorian, Cowhead, BSR, Myrd)
shlin 1 (caius)
ichigo 2 (Haudegen) (LittleGrizzly)
Why me? :dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius
Select Jimbob, will vote later when I got time to read the new posts.
Yes, like shlin, who posted to congratulate the mafia for their recent victory in other mafia game. But he isnt posting in this game, so might i ask why he is evading this game?Quote:
'I'd like to point out that there are at least 10 members alive that are posting in other games, but not in this.'
When I posted that, this game is in night phase, not much to comment on then is there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius
"Not much? THIS... IS... CA-POOOOOOOO!!!"Quote:
Originally Posted by shlin28
There's more then enough to comment on!:wall: over 2.500 posts so far, 'nuff said..
Crime works 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.
Soooo, there are a lot of things that can be said.
Because you are against it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
CR
vote:hiji
can't see any other candidates
That's mean :bigcry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
vote: Ichigo May as well try for a multi-lynch and Ichi's a good candidate (better than Hiji IMO)
Select: Craterus
I'm not too taken with the idea of lying directors and I don't like a vote to be unanimous.
Hi…
Remember me?
Louis is not too far off in his speculations about the hitman role. Sadly I did not survive the slander and accusing of the so-called pro-townies.
A point I would like you to consider:
If I were a Don in this game I would have gone pro-town, make sure many people noticed and done nothing until the end-game. Then when there were a few players left, I would have made my strike, wiping out enough players to reach majority.
Let this be my pro-town tip for the day.
Personally I am not satisfied from the explanations given by TinCow/JimBob/Crazed Rabbit.
You had reasons to believe I was Don Corleone… Why Don Corleone and not Don Cunnio, Don Barzini (I was Don Barzini at one point) or Don Tataglia?
Why Corleone?
I want answers and I think you owe it to the town. You have been caught in falsely accusing me of being Don Corleone.
I don’t think you should choose JimBob for director until he comes forward and explain all this. If he is away, what good is he then?
I say select Prole or Sasaki for director.
I trust them more than the current organization.
Gonna vote Hiji
Also i'm not from yemen, but the UAE ~;p
I regret that you are going to be very disappointed, then. I have explained everything as fully as I want to and I have no intentions of giving out more information than I already have. I most certainly will not do it for "the town" to make mafioso like you and Andres feel more comfortable in your graves. Enjoy your naps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
There are a large number of townies who know first-hand that I am reliable and have worked consistently over the last several days and nights to get information where it needs to be and to coordinate the necessary night actions. At this point, I do not feel the need to give any further public explanations for my actions. Doing so will only help the mafia. I will continue to disclose whatever information I feel is necessary for people outside the town network to know, whenever I feel like they need to know it.
Also, please be assured that I am by no means a pivotal figure in the town defenses. If I am killed, there are others who know just as much as I do and who will take my place. I would actually enjoy a dirt-nap, since my wife has been nagging me lately about how much time I spend PMing for this game. :laugh4:
Slander, Sigurd? You admitted to being a mafia killer.
And I see absolutely no reason anyone should listen to any request of a mafioso, especially one demanding information from the town.
But true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Craterus - how about you explain why you were saved from a murder attempt by a doctor or Luca?
Seems odd a doctor would choose to protect you right out of the blue.
CR
Sigurd does have one excellent point:
I don't think JimBob will think it's disrespectful of us to choose another Director while he's apparently afk.Quote:
If he is away, what good is he then?
I say select Prole or Sasaki for director.
Unselect: JimBob
Select: Proletariat
Let's have Seamus do a "Vicious Vixen" director write-up, good pulp-fiction author that he is. :)
Pretty sure I already posted about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Truth is, I don't know who protected me and I certainly didn't ask for it but I'd like to thank the person responsible.
I also don't have a reason why I might be chosen for protection, my only thought being that I've been investigated and the information was passed on to a doctor.
EDIT: What's the tally on directors?
You contradicted yourself in a pm to me...Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
(I was asking if he wants to be in a protection ngroup)Quote:
If you're protecting me, yes. But I'm ok for tonight, thanks. :nice:
Excuse me?
I meant that I'm ok for night actions...
EDIT: Reviewing the PM, I understand what you meant. At the time, I thought you were recruiting me for a protection group.
Yes.. I was killing mafia. And would continued doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
I guess the other mafia got a little afraid that they were next on the list.
Maybe players should put some votes on Don CR or fake FBI agent CR... whichever. And trow a few on Don TinCow as well. A double lynch FTW!! :laugh4:
Sigurd, not sure if you already answered this but: on the nights you did not have a target, could you pick your own? Or were you only able to kill when and who the mafia requested?
I did nothing the first nights.. Just waiting for contracts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
I guess the mafia families had to reach a certain level before they could use me.
I think I could have worked on my own the nights I had no contract. But why kill blindly?
I rather liked the innocence status.
Pro-Town mafia traitors you mean.Quote:
Yes.. I was killing mafia. And would continued doing so.
"Dead Rat"
Your role was pro-mafia. You had an opportunity to proove you were pro-town when you were asked to disclose information publicly. You refused, because you were hurt that someone had called you don?
It doesn't stand up.
:embarassed: I misinterepreted the pm then :embarassed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
Vote Caius, revenge vote before the voting ends :laugh4:
I still think that Proletariat is guilty, or at least not completely pro-town. While I wouldn't lynch her yet over others that there is more evidence towards, I'm not sure anymore about her loyalties. Not a good choice for a lynch, but also not a good choice for director.
Day Nine is finished. Write up shortly.
Little do you know...Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
The Shadow who were [red section] solicited contracts from [red section], [red section] and [red section].
That said not all mafia Dons were able to use me.. hence my comment about mafia acting pro-town to hide from the scrutiny of the town. There are two Dons in your midst hiding as pro town. The three others are either hiding as lurkers or semi lurkers. You got one.. but another took his place.
This is main thread post #2598
“No one is innocent we all commit crimes, if you’re not guilty in their eyes, you’re guilty in mine. There are only two sides and a line that divides, if you stand in the middle you’re not on my side….Won’t shed a tear, I know I am right, and if I am caught, I’ll pay the price….If you don’t make a choice it could mean your life for if you’re not on my side you’re a target in my eyes.”
-- Vegan Reich
Sunset, Day Nine
“Thank you again for selecting me as your Director. I live for the opportunity to destroy the mafia utterly. This method is a harsh regimen for justice, but we face an ancient and cunning group of thieves and murderers. Harsh justice is the only thing they will understand.”
JimBob paused, gazing at each committee member in turn.
“Hiji!”
Hiji was suddenly stiff and upright in his chair. He was quickly flanked by two of Fermanagh’s goons.
“The Committee has adjudged you guilty and thereby sentenced you to die. Do you have anything to say.”
Hiji stood, silent tears coursing down his cheeks. He spoke.
“None of us, save the Lord, is truly innocent. If this is the way I must atone for my sins, then I go willingly to the Mercy Seat. You too are sinners – all of you! I warn you to seek your own atonement!”
The committee looked at him, some incredulous, others faintly nodding. JimBob merely indicated that the officers should take him away. Hiji was bound and taken to the loading docks to be hanged where the other hangings had occurred. This time the rope was much shorter and the drop did not snap his neck. It took Hiji several minutes to strangle. Whatever visions he saw as he shuffled off this mortal coil he did not share.
“Another one executed. Guard yourselves well this night and prepare to remove more of our enemy from this town. Farewell.”
The Committee filed out of the building and off into the gathering dark of another Fatlington night.
OOC
1. Night PMs are due by 1400 EST on 27 Feb 08 (1900 GMT). I have an evening commitment with the family and want this processed for you all prior to that time.
2. Vote and Selection Tallies:
Vote To Lynch:
Hiji = 10 (BSR, Cow, CR, Ferret, Kukri, Leet, Eyeless, Sasaki, Tin, True)
Ichigo = 3 (Craterus, Haud, Grizz)
Abstain = 2 (‘blade, Xehh)
Shlin28 = 1 (Caius)
Select Director (10 & 11)
JimBob = 13 (BSR, Cow, CR, Haud, Joe, Grizz, Myrd, nerd, Sasaki, shlin, Tin, True, Xehh)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
Craterus = 1 (Craterus)
Proletariat = 1(Kukri)
Andres saying something doesn't make it wrong, Crazed Rabbit. Wasn't it you that said earlier 'lynch all liars'? You and TinCow need to start answering some of these questions. The 'Sigurd's mafia, so no need to answer. I'm protown so I don't explain things' is weak.
Andres could give us all of the remaining Don's names and they'd be perfectly safe with your tactic. You really think Andres isn't bright enough to take advantage of this?
For the townies not focusing or caring to read much of the main thread, it'd be a smart move to go back and read Louis' recent posts. There's alot of unanswered questions getting buried and it really is starting to look like the town is being taken for a major ride.
andres is pro-mafia. you call it bright to sell out all dons?Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Taking a right when Andres says to take a left is just as stupid as taking orders from him.
Please... For God Sake! Please!
SOMEONE draw a line around the little group of Proletariat, Sigurd Fafnesbane and Sasaki Kojiro.
The three of them are, without warrant, protecting each other as though they all share a common courtesy behind the scenes.
JIMBOB! Why aren't you addressing this man?
You are a Holy Knight! There are many things that point to Proletariat!
Who here on the forum is most fitting of ballet slippers??!
Please, I cannot say very much, for I am dead.
But please, tie a lasso around these names.
Proletariat, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Sasaki Kojiro
On another note.
Moros was discovered with Gothic script.
Remember, Jimbob, how Moros told us of two opposite secret roles I have mentioned previously.
One was, "Light", and the other, "Shadow".
Well, I think these two roles are possible. But Moros certainly wasn't the Light.
My guess is that Seamus Fermanagh either plays Medieval: Total War, or had an advisor who adores it.
And therefore he added not only Norman Knights, but Gothic Knights to play arch enemies in the game.
That makes far greater sense.
The question then is - was there a trio of Gothic Knights also?
Hate to break the news to you Glenno, but the ballet slippers were Pannonian's idea, the Stracchi don. I shall now order my made, Omanes, to kill you tonight while wearing them. :book:
Please don't - I dread to think what havoc it could wreak on my Stracchi family. :sweatdrop:Quote:
Please, I cannot say very much, for I am dead.
If you promise to not reveal, I swear I'll return the favour by doing whatever I can to have Sigurd lynched tomorrow.
I have answered many questions in great detail recently. You can find them here, here, and here. Why do I bother writing this stuff if no one is going to read it? About the only thing I have not said is the exact information that made us suspect Sigurd. Given the fact that he has admitted himself that he was a powerful mafia ally, our evidence was clearly at least partially correct, even if our guess on his role was wrong. Do I really deserve this much suspicion over that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Also, it is utterly absurd to say that I am a Don. Here are ALL of my night actions, from the beginning:
N1: Inconclusive 'pevergreen' protection group on Pannonian (I think, PMs long deleted, don't remember the participants. Sasaki can confirm this one)
N2: Failed hit on taka with GH, Northnovas, and gibson. Failed only due to taka's luck.
N3: Failed protection of Glenn with Louis, Husar, and Leet Eriksson. Matter of record.
N4: Inconclusive protection group on someone I can't remember. PMs deleted and the backup download is on my work computer (don't tell my boss). I will post the N4 action tomorrow when I get to work, if it's really that crucial.
N5: Failed hit on Tran. Failed because one member did not get their order PM in on time.
N6: Successful hit on Factionheir.
N7: Successful hit on Northnovas.
N8: Successful hit on Tran.
If you read the write-ups for N2, N6, N7, and N8, there is no way I could have done those if I was a Don. Therefore, if I am a Don, I must be lying about participating in those hits. It should therefore be easy for someone to come forward and say that I wasn't there, because the participants would know that I wasn't with them. Please, explain to me again how I can be a Don.
Muhahaha the game shall take a nice twist once my info is released. :2cents:
Wow, I'm getting behind. Anyhow, here's my summary for N8, even though we've already moved past the following day.
Mafia status as of N8:
--Stracci. Don: Omanes A. (dead), Luca: Dutch Guy (dead), Made: Andres (dead), NorthNovas (dead), Former associated wise guy: LouisVI (dead), associated wise guys or mades: Tran (dead), Gibson. Calling Card: Pink ballet slippers. Victims: Drisos (detective, N1), Pannonian (wise guy, N3), Motep (wise guy, N5), Louis VI (presumed wise guy, N6), attempted hits on GH (N2, N3), Proletariat (N4), Craterus (N6), Sasaki (N7), Brave Sir Robin (N7).
--Corleone. Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Tiberius of the Drake (dead). Have called for a mafia truce through Tiberius and TosaInu.
--Tataglia. Family member: Makanyane (according to JimBob's contacts). Have responded to the Corleones' call for truce, according to TosaInu's second relayed communication.
--Barzini. (Rose group according to Louis), associated wise guy: Ichigo (according to Louis)
--Cunnio.
Religious Weather Balloon group. Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Unknown. Calling Card: Weather balloons and religious paraphernalia. Victims: Glenn (crusader?, N3), Beefy (townie, N3), The Stranger (townie, N3), GH (wise guy, N4), attempted hits on Glenn (N2) and Proletariat (N4, N5, N6?). I had this group pegged as the Corleones based on a statement by Louis. This last day he expressed doubt about his own statement, so I've separated the two. This family made an explosive entrance on night 3, but seems to have been a one-night wonder.
Rose group (Barzinis according to Louis). Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Unknown, associated wise guys if any: unknown. Calling Card: Rose and a preference for explosives. Victims: Zorg (wise guy, N3), Moros (N4, wise guy or wolf-type character), Chimpyang (townie, N5, black rose), Lt. Pinard (townie, N6), attempted hit on CR (N6, white rose), possible attempted hit on Proletariat (N4). This family started out consistent, but seems to have since fizzled.
Italian Destiny group. Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Unknown, associated wise guys if any: unknown. Calling Card: an Italian phrase (destiny is inexorable). Victims: Kamikhaan (townie, N5), ajaxfetish (townie, N6), Husar (N7), Sarathos (N8). While the other families have been seemingly inert of late, this family, though late to start in on the killings, has been murdering consistently since night 5.
Omanes suspected Sigurd to be the don of the Barzinis, JimBob asserted he was the don of the Corleones. Sigurd claimed before his death to be the 'king of hearts' hitman, and others have agreed this is probably correct.
For anyone who loves symmetry, the Straccis, Weather Balloon group, Rose group, and Italian Destiny group have each had 4 successful kills so far, so 4x4. The 5th family (Cunnios have been referenced the least thus far) probably never got off the ground.
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Musings:
xdeathfire and twilightblade have both fled to the police immediately after being attacked (xdeath on N1, twilight on N5). They may have a similar role, and this action would seem to suggest it's a pro-town one.
Lone killers with calling cards or consistent modi operandi
--.577 Webley. A rogue killer of unknown motivation. A single individual using the same weapon shot Kommodus (luca, N4), Woad&Fangs (wise guy, N5), and Makanyane (suspected mafia, (N8). Based on the type of victims, this killer may be protown.
--King of Hearts. Another lone killer (probably Sigurd) is operating, using knives and leaving King of Hearts playing cards. He participated in killing Woad & Fangs (wise guy, N5) and Louis VI (presumed wise guy, N6), and attempted a kill on TinCow (N7).
Prole's attack was certainly very interesting. It seems EMFM was the tenacious killer who kept making attempts on her life even after assorted mafia families gave up. He is bursting to share his reasons but prevented by the rules until game's end. Prole's defender is confirmed as a surgeon instead of a luca due to his potential to take down an attacker.
--Society for Creative Anachronism. Successful hits on FactionHeir (made, N6), Northnovas (N7), Tran (N8), failed hit on Tran (N5) due to a late pm, and another failed one on Tran (N7) for unclear reasons, apparently luck.
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Post-mortem results:
17 pro-town
Townie: Lord Winter, Beefy, taka, the Stranger, FahadI, killfr3nzy, Sapi, Xiahou, Rhythmic, molonthegreat, Chimpyang, Kamikhaan, ajaxfetish, Lt. Pinard
Detective: Drisos
Crusader?: Glenn, Rob the Celt
12 neutral
Wise Guy: Pevergreen, Hannibal, Pannonian, Zorg, GH, x-Danger, Moros (though Moros may be an unaffiliated mafia member), Motep, WarmasterHorus, Woad&Fangs, Xdeathfire, LouisVI (though Seamus write-up was not specific on his starting role)
5 mafia
Made: Tiberius (Corleone), Andres (Stracci), FactionHeir (family unknown)
Luca: Kommodus (family unknown)
Don: Omanes (Stracchi)
Ajax
Hmmm.
Hiji's write up suggests a role. Something religious...
Frankly Jimbob, I wonder about your information. It seems to me that the latest two mafia, have had roles, but have not been mafia...
Having said that, they may be pro-mafia roles. I just wish you'd share a little more info. You don't have to say "he's mafia" to get someone lynched. Just say what role you think they have, and give your reasons (you don't have to give away sources). More discussion = good thing.
You make the mistake of assuming a Don can't successfully participate in vigilante groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Also... someone must be able to add 2 and 2 together? Ask yourselves, why was TinCow attacked by the Hitman and why did he survive?
Sorry about the dead not going quietly into the night but I think you might be missing something on the 'Prole is definitely innocent because she was protected by a surgeon' thingy
So EMFM could have just got clobbered for working alone, if he started as a vig killer and got stuck on target.... ?Quote:
Originally Posted by game rules
On what do you base your assumption? From Seamus´s description it seems that dons can only kill if their families are dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
Omanes made that claim several days ago, but when I asked him about it, he didn´t give any further explanations.Quote:
A Don normally cannot kill opponents during a “night” phase, and must work through others. Normally, however, they appear as “innocent” if investigated by a detective or made, so they can camouflage themselves well. Even the FBI detective is unlikely to spot them. If the Don has lost all the other members of her/his family, they may perform 1 kill per “night” phase. However, subsequent to any such killing they will be identified as “guilty” if investigated by a detective, and “criminal” if investigated by a made.
Good question. I see three possibilities:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
a) a Don´s "luck factor"
b) some unknown "luck factor", as various townies have survived under unclear circumstances so far (taka on night 2)
c) someone used a role blocking ability against the Hitman
And the "why" question: Hmm, from what I gather, the Hitman was mostly used against people who betrayed the mafia. TC himself stated that he was working undercover in the "new Stracci family". Seems to make sense that he was targeted, doesn´t it?
So you admit that you were only guessing over Sigurd's role? If Sigurd was the hitman, the town just lynched a valuable source of information and a powerful killer who had the possibility, being the neutral role he is, to switch sides and start killing for the town.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Let's see: eliminating somebody who knew the identity of several Dons and was able to backstab them and turn pro-town.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
The answer is : Yes, you deserve alot of suspicion.
You managed to convince the townies throughout the whole game, pretending to be the inexperienced player. You're a smart guy TinCow and the people who are playing KOTR with you hold you in high regard. I for one am not willing to believe that you do not understand the rules very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Your "prove" proves nothing. Absolutely nothing. Any mafia can participate in protection groups. Any mafia can participate in a vig squad. The only thing you have to do to ensure that people will not read the vig hit as a mafia kill, is telling the host that the hit is not a family sanctioned kill, even though a mafioso is participating.
You'll have to do better then that...
When TinCow made that claim before, I thought naught of it. Let's say one of my previous clients pointed out that this was not the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haudegen
I am bound by the Hitman/client vow of silence and can not reveal too much.
Not to mention the fact that you are dead...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
:furious3:Quote:
Not to mention the fact that you are dead...
De pot verwijt de ketel!
:balloon2:
Hmm, hmm, hmm. Well let´s assume you are right, what would that mean for any investigations on the alleged Don? Would he still be shown as innocent after participating in a vig kill?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
I miss Redleg's executions. They were so much more imaginative, with one victim being keel-hauled and another blown from a gun.
A Don can kill alone if all his family members are dead. If they kill, they will be "guilty". The rules don't tell us what the result will be on a Don who participated in a vig squad. I think we can safely assume that he will turn out to be "guilty" as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rules
A townie who kills in a vig squad, will also be "guilty" when investigated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rules
2 succesful murders = townie is automatically promoted to Wiseguy, ergo, if TinCows' claim that he started the game as a townie is genuine (is it? :inquisitive:), he should be a Wiseguy now. A guilty one. And all townies who participated in those vig squads with him, should be Wiseguys as well now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
By participating in succesful vig squads as a "townie", TinCow conveniently made all investigation results on him useless.
At best TinCow is a Wiseguy, leader of a significant group of Wiseguys who have been working together for a long while now, on a killing spree, killing people he "believes" to be guilty, at worst he's a Don.
EDIT: It won't be too long before TinCow will be promoted to Made Gangster (well, if he isn't a Don that is). Same goes for all townies who have been working with him the last three or four nights. All of this is based on reading the rules combined with TinCow's claims. CR's argument "it's false because it is said by Andres who is confirmed scum" doesn't make much sense. You guys really need to start paying attention to TinCow, his group of "townies" and Crazed Rabbit.
That´s what I would have guessed too. However I´d be really surprised if some detective would find an "innocent" result on him ...Quote:
A Don can kill alone if all his family members are dead. If they kill, they will be "guilty". The rules don't tell us what the result will be on a Don who participated in a vig squad. I think we can safely assume that he will turn out to be "guilty" as well.
Well, killing FactionHeir turned out to be a good start. We´ll see tonight, what Seamus tells us about NorthNovas. But, I´m rather sure that he was mafia too.Quote:
At best TinCow is a Wiseguy, on a killing spree, killing people he "believes" to be guilty, at worst he's a Don.
It seems to me that TC has been acting for the town. It´s obvious that we can´t rule out the possibility that he is a don (or a made or a luca ...) in disguise. But TC´s actions speak in his favor at the moment, IMHO. We should watch him closely like we should watch almost anyone closely.
Wasn´t there a rumor that Don´s can not effectively participate in protection groups?
Always keep all options open.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haudegen
Killing mafiosi can mean two things: a) townie taking out mafia; b) mafia pretending to be town and in the process eliminating competition (also note that in the process, TinCow is also creating new scum that he can backstab afterwards, to stick to his role of being the helpful townie taking out scum.)
When the play field is down to less then 20 or 15 players, TinCow's (new?)mafia family will be able to take out the rest of you townspeople.
*** Now, why didn't I think about that strategy before I screwed up by trusting Louis :wall: ***
I admitted that approximately 2 days ago, it is not a secret or a revelation. Again, apparently no one reads my posts. :wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Maybe this will make you feel better:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
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Originally Posted by TinCow
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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh in the Rules thread
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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh in the Rules thread
Fabricating fake pm's is encouraged by the game host. So: no, it does not make me feel better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
My bet is on the Don being innocent the days he don't participate in vigilante groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haudegen
Would TinCow let a detective test this?
The thing is, we don't know it. But since a Don who kills alone will be "guilty" on investigation, he's most likely to be "guilty" when having participated in a townie vig squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
And if the result is "guilty", we'll have to assume he's innocent?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Like I said, due to his participation in several succesfull vig squads, any investigation result on TinCow will be completely and utterly useless.
Not quite. If he turns out to be "innocent" in spite of his various vig kills, I for one would be convinced that he is a don.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
And who is going to provide us the investigation results, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Haudegen
TinCow and CR who are clearly on the same team?
Did Jimbob (the only one who is truly confirmed to be pro-town) see a detective/FBI/pro-town role pm?
Maybe he should post it/them (leaving the name(s) of those claiming those roles out of it off course), at least partially, so that the town is able to judge if those reveals were/are genuine or not.
Or a detective who is still alive can also reveal him/herself and he or she can confirm the role claims (or tell us that they are false).
After all, if TinCow and CR have been telling the truth, they should have quite a few doctors or surgeons by now, able to protect a publicly revealing detective.
Or are you going to keep trusting liars (they even admitted that they have been lying, CR himself even insisted on lynching all liars at the beginning of this game!) who refer to "detective" results?
I can't find where Crazed Rabbit said 'lynch all liars' before, so don't take my word for it. Might've been thinking of someone else
You disappoint me, Prole :no:Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
All those people telling lies. I can't take this much longer.
Am I the only honest player left in this game?
:shame:
:laugh4:
Frankly, I worry more about the 20 or so silent types, half of whom probably have mafia roles. All they have to do is lay low 3 or 4 more day-night cycles, then pop up to decimate the remaining town population.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Liars will eventually be "outted".
So, what are you waiting for? Use your Made/Luca power to kill them off!:wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
Future games may have to disclose which players have sent in action PMs, so that lurkers may be flushed out. Mafia games have always had a problem with inactives, and this is even more important in Capo where one may lurk and yet be active.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
Which the host has always deemed an acceptable mode of play for Capo. Not that I particularly enjoy adding to your collective sense of ambiguity and frustration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Oh, wait -- I guess I DO enjoy that! :evilgrin:
Wow. Didn´t know you handled it that way, Seamus.
Now I see the people on the inactive list in a different light.
FoS:
Alexander the pretty good
Big King Sanctaphrax
Draco Leman
Leet Eriksson
gibsonsg
BKS is a confirmed wiseguy, isn't he? Presumably affiliated by this stage of the game.
I also remember reading somewhere that gibson is a made gangster for one of the families?
Ninght Nine is concluded. Writeup to follow.
This is main thread post #
“A war's broken out in the funhouse
Targets painted in the mirror hall
Explode into shards of confusion
Embedded with trust behind unproven walls
Dodging the bullets of jokers
I'm hunting for aces in a deck of cards
Streaming the view from the frontline
Yet the frontline may be in our own backyard
I can't turn away from the glaring
In the eyes of such desperate hate
Am I taking control of my future
Or am I just taking the bait?
Chorus:
Enemy of my enemy
I've gone out on a limb to defend
Enemy of my enemy
I may never know if he's a friend
Enemy of my enemy
On his actions and words I depend
Enemy of my enemy
He may turn on me in the end”
-- Jason Didner (2003).
Summary, Night Nine
Ichigo had just stuffed the last half of his recently purchased hotdog into his mouth in one huge bite when the gunmen popped up from their hides across the street. Both gunners were well positioned – each to one side and angled so that Ichigo was in a crossfire and that any move away from the cart would involve crossing 20 feet of open pavement covered by one of the gunmen.
Up popped the first gunman, incongruously dressed in a hooded cape with tall pointed ears on the hood/mask.
“I’m Batman!” He shouted as he fired a short burst from his BAR.
“No! I'm Batman,” shouted the second – and equally costumed – gunman stood to fire a burst from his “Broom-handle” Mauser.
Their first bursts were short and controlled, perhaps 4 rounds apiece – just enough to force Ichigo to duck behind the hot dog cart, while spraying hotdog from his mouth. A stray round knee-capped the hotdog vendor who fell into the street in front of his cart screaming. Ichigo’s mind began moving at rapid fire.
<<Batman? I’m being attacked by Bob Kane? Holy Art as Life!>>
Ichigo felt the hairs on his neck raise when he remembered that the cart was parked directly in front of a narrow dark alley between two buildings…a third perfect hide. He gulped as a second short burst from each gunman announced that he was still very much in the crossfire, and then he looked into the alley, peering into the shadows for yet a third “caped crusader.”
<<Empty?>>
He didn’t ponder this for long, though the way things had been going he wouldn’t have been entirely surprised to find Vicky Vail waiting for him in the alley with a bazooka. Ichigo half slid/half duck-walked into the mouth of the alley – the only avenue not covered by the gunmen. He had no trouble leaving the scene.
Both Batmen looked pointedly at one another when Ichigo’s departure was not met by gunfire, and then both of them quit the scene as well. Whether they used radar to navigate the dark streets of Fatlington was never revealed.
Charge’s apartment looked like some kind of fortress. Iron grilles barred the windows, interior shutters of wood backed by steel could be swung to cover those windows, the door was reinforce with metal bands and locked at 4 points, and all of the exterior walls had been backed by neatly stacked sand-bags. Anything less than an M4 Sherman wasn’t likely to force its way in. He was as safe as a Fatlington committee member could be – unfortunately, that wasn’t a very high benchmark.
The hit team moved with a reasonably quick efficiency. One quickly climbed the utility pole out front and disconnected both the power and the building’s phone cable. Two others broke into the basement to start up a generator they brought with them. Another made a purposefully botched effort at breaching the door while yet another used a silenced rifle to take pot-shots at Charge’s windows.
Charge slammed the shutters on all three windows, slid the armoire in front of the door and chocked its wheels, checked his weapons to be safe, and sat back to laugh at their puny efforts to kill him. After a time, with only a few pings/splinters from the window shutters, he found himself growing listless. This feeling grew until, despite the occasional shots at his windows, he fell fast asleep.
The basement crew kept the generator running for more than an hour. Then they shut off the generator, snaked the exhaust tubing back down the air vent from Charge’s apartment, and removed their equipment and themselves.
Skin flushed in a pleasant pink glow, Charge should have been deader than a brick when Fermanagh’s “you must attend the meeting team” broke down his door to fetch him for the Mid-morning meeting at the Convention Center. Instead they found him unconscious but not seriously harmed on the floor of the empty – but well ventilated – apartment immediately below his. Apparently, unknown to Charge or anyone else, termites had been at the flooring of his apartment and the floor had chosen the brief timeframe after he’d passed out but before he’d expired to collapse, spilling him into the fresher air below. The ventilation had been sufficient to prevent the carbon monoxide seeping down into the second apartment from killing him.
Of course, Fermanagh’s bright lights figured out exactly none of what had happened. Though they noticed a few shots into all the shutters and some crowbar damage at the apartment door, nothing had penetrated Charge’s defenses. They shrugged and took him to the meeting.
Haudegen was on his guard these days, so when the kid who was tossing up his baseball and catching it underneath the streetlight turned and tossed the ball to Haudegen, he suppressed his reflexes and ducked behind one of the parked cars while pulling his weapon.
The kid screamed and ran, but Haudegen ignored him, focusing his attention on the fellow in the trenchcoat just behind the next apartment building stoop. That one was drawing a weapon. Haudegen shifted to his left to put the roof of the car between him and the shooter without having to crouch and slow down his mobility. He’d maneuvered carefully…right where his killers wanted him. Checkmate.
Two long muzzle flashes lanced from the back of a canvas topped delivery truck, the heavy reports of the weapon arriving only a split second after the rounds themselves. Both bullets struck Haudegen squarely, hammering themselves into large mushrooms on the front of his body armor. Unfortunately for Haudegen, he’d been shot from behind. Ma Deuce had spoken, and her word was very, very final.
A single red rose was found on Haudegen’s shattered body.
Proletariat wasn’t out to win friends and influence people. Her walk home tonight would not likely get her elected Miss Congeniality either. People shied from her path or found a reason to go back into the store they’d just exited rather than cross her path. This might have been a result of the tense scowl on her otherwise alluring face, but it was more probably a reaction to the fact that she was walking with her handgun drawn and held in a half-raised position. It wouldn’t do, in Prole’s view, to rely solely “on the kindness of strangers.”
When the attack came, she still hesitated a second before firing. She’d feared a balloon of some sort – walking by a child’s party at some restaurant was getting her nervous for Heaven’s sake – but never really expected that the attack would be from someone wearing a high-collared black coat and wielding a huge two-handed sword.
Proletariat ducked the first swipe of the ashandarei and broke left to widen the distance between them. The swordsman spun on his heel and pulled back for another stroke.
<<Crack! Crack! Crack! Crack! Crack! Crack!>>
Prole’, off balance, fired as rapidly as she could pull the trigger. She hit her target twice but failed to punch through the body armor that he – like just about everyone – was wearing. By firing off balance, she managed to knock herself off her own feet, but this did serve to put her under the next swipe of that deadly blade. Supine, she would be at the mercy of the next blow – but already there were sirens blaring and the footsteps of some of Fatlington’s beat cops announced that there would be no time for that final killing stroke.
The swordsman cursed under his breath and faded into the shadows before the police could apprehend him. If only an accomplice had materialized to divide her fire or to delay the police….
Morning Meeting, Day 10
“…the police are doing everything we can to hold a lid on this madhouse. We’ve had no knew outbreaks, so we don’t have any worries on that score, but I simply don’t have the patrol power to interdict the violence of the mafia. You’ve GOT to bring this to a conclusion.”
Fermanagh paused.
“I also regret having to notify you of the deaths of Alexander the Pretty Good, Big King Sanctaphrax, and Roadkill as they were being driven here this morning. Some idiot tourist ran a light and well….I’m sorry for those of you who were close with any of them.”
“Our investigations following the deaths of committee members have turned up the following. Husar was, at least at the outset of this, an innocent townie. We’ve turned up mixed leads as to his acitivities since the committee formed, but nothing conclusive. Vigilantes apparently did us a favor with NorthNovas, who was a made member of one of the mafia families and no loss to Fatlington. We’ve confirmed the same about Dutch_Guy, who we were able to identify as a Mafia Luca, though we weren’t able to provide independent corroboration as to which family. Keep up the good work!”
JimBob went briefly through the procedures and adjourned the meeting until late afternoon.
OOC
1. Lynch Voting for Day 10 will conclude at 1600 EST, 2-28-8 (2100 GMT).
2. Current List of Players:
Still Alive: (32) Brave Sir Robin, Caeser the III, Caius, Charge, CountArach, Cowhead418, Craterus, Crazed Rabbit, Draco Leman, Elite Ferret, gibsonsg91921, Hiji, Ichigo, Ironside, JimBob, Joe Monks, Jubal_Barca, Kagemusha, KukriKhan, Leet Erikson, LittleGrizzly, Myrrdraal, norwegian nerd, Proletariat, Sasaki Kojiro, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Twilightblade, Warluster, Xehh II.
Attacked: (32) Andres (N2, N3), Beefy187 (N1), Brave Sir Robin (N7), Caius (N3), Charge (N9), Craterus (N6), Crazed Rabbit (N6), Cowhead418 (N2), Evil_Maniac from Mars (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N2, N3), Glenn (N1, N2), Ichigo (N9), Kagemusha (N6), Proletariat (N4, N4, N5, N6, N7, N8, N9), Sasaki Kojiro (N5, N7), taka (N2), Tran (N5, N7, N8), TinCow (N7), Twilightblade (N4, N5), Xdeathfire (N1)
Murdered: (27) Drisos (N1), Lord Winter (N2), Beefy187 (N3), Glenn (N3), Pannonian (N3), taka (N3), The Stranger (N3), Zorg (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N4), Kommodus (N4), Moros (N4), Xiahou (N4), Chimpyang (N5), Kamikhaan (N5), Motep (N5), Rythmic, (N5), woad&fangs (N5), ajaxfetish (N6), FactionHeir (N6), Lt. Pinard (N6), Louis VI the Fat (N6), Husar (N7), NorthNovas (N7), Makanyane (N8), Sarathos (N8), Tran (N8), Haudegen (N9)
Lynched: (9) pevergreen (D2), Hannibalbarca (D3), Tiberius of the Drake (D3), Omanes Alexandrapolites (D4), Andres (D5), Xdeathfire (D6), Dutch_guy (D7), Sigurd Fafnesbane (D8), Hiji (D9)
Removed from Play: (11) Fahad I (D4), Killfr3nzy (D4), x-dANGEr (D4), Sapi (N4), Warmaster Horus (N5), Rob_the_Celt (N5), molonthegreat (N5), johnhughthom (D8), Alexander the Pretty Good (N9), Big King Sanctaphrax (N9), Roadkill (N9)
3. That’s 9 Executions and 59 murder attempts so far – what a wonderful town Fatlington is!
Interesting.
Kill on Ichigo failed because one person went missing.
Kill on charge failed because he got lucky.
Haudegen killed by mafia.
Prole apparently not protected, but only one attacker showed up.
I say we lynch charge. Vote:Charge
I organized the hit on Ichigo with the following PM:
Haudegen replied with the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
CA replied with the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by Haudegen
Clearly, one of the three of us did not show up. Since Haudegen was himself targeted for a hit, it seems blatantly obvious that he was not the person at fault. Therefore either CountArach or I are lying about participating in the hit, clearly in collusion with the Rose mafia family. This also suggests that Ichigo is from the Rose mafia family.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
I suggest that the townies make up their minds about which of us is guilty and hang one of us immediately. To do otherwise will leave a mafia plant inside the town group.
vote: gibson
He's been inactive for most of the game but has yet to be killed. This suggests he has an important role, and there was a detective result (is this one questionable too, JimBob/Cow?) that showed him to be mafia.
This is bizarre.Quote:
I suggest that the townies make up their minds about which of us is guilty and hang one of us immediately. To do otherwise will leave a mafia plant inside the town group.