Trapped in Taormina [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

All that is left it one mafia and Manfredo. And it doesn't look like Manfredo is working for the mafia. Therefore, 2 players can't be working together as mafia.

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Three kills, but only two killers? Despite the kick in the groin during my death and the 'limp' in one of the kills, those two kills had very different styles. It does not make sense that they were made by the same person. You have three killers still operating. Also, it is a mistake to assume that Manfredo is pro-town. With so few players left, anyone who is killing without knowing for certain that their target is mafia is damaging the town. Manfredo does not get sufficient investigative results to let him determine who is mafia and who is town. Thus, Manfredo is hurting the town by continuing to kill. He may be pro-mafia or a Serial Killer. It is very unwise to assume that he is on the town's side.

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Originally Posted by Gaius Scribonius Curio

So in other words, what you're saying is that PK was right the whole time? And it follows that you have indeed been lying about your role the whole time. Which in turn means you have been lying the whole time!

Hence you are not to be trusted...

Vote:Caius

(...but its a very nice theory)

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You were very quick to draw a conclusion, which makes me suspect you were only playing along. So how long have you been pm'ing with Sasaki and PK?

And several of you claim to have seen some detective results, yet the detecitve have not revealed any publically. Which mean for them to be real, rules were broken. And those results would only be valid if they happened to coincede with the investigatee performing a kill.

You did well mafia, to quell the voices of those who could bring you down.
I can't see the remaining townies being able to lynch Sasaki or PK.

Where are the other dead townies? GH, CR, Seamus, Kukri, Ichigo, Glenn and Rythmic.
You can't mean to leave the rest out to dry, do you. If the dead were not to influence this game, then it would have been dead stay dead and do not talk.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Three kills, but only two killers? Despite the kick in the groin during my death and the 'limp' in one of the kills, those two kills had very different styles. It does not make sense that they were made by the same person. You have three killers still operating.

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Look at your death report and Mak's death report.

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In one fluent move, the attacker pierced the sword through TinCow's chest, for good measure. The killer limped away, still suffering from the hard kick in the groin.

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The salvo of the machine gun litterally butchered her to dead.

The attacker limped away.

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So, it seems the man you hurt then attacked Mak. Therefore, we have one killer.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Also, it is a mistake to assume that Manfredo is pro-town. With so few players left, anyone who is killing without knowing for certain that their target is mafia is damaging the town. Manfredo does not get sufficient investigative results to let him determine who is mafia and who is town. Thus, Manfredo is hurting the town by continuing to kill. He may be pro-mafia or a Serial Killer. It is very unwise to assume that he is on the town's side.

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Funny, just a couple days ago you publicly pleaded for Manfredo to join the town. I guess joining the Mafia changed your goals.

It would be very unwise for the town to trust anything TC says.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

And several of you claim to have seen some detective results, yet the detecitve have not revealed any publically. Which mean for them to be real, rules were broken. And those results would only be valid if they happened to coincede with the investigatee performing a kill.

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Andres was notified about the possible "private reveals". Since no WoG's happened to Rythmic, it seems everything was legal. Unless Rythmic's silence since his death was part of his punishment. Either way, Andres has been kept in the loop the whole time. Your more than welcome to bring this up with him if you wish.

tally:

Caius: 3 (Privateerkev, Elite Ferret, Curio)

Sasaki: 1 (woad&fangs)

Town probably has only 2 more opportunities (day phases, including this current one) remaining to kill their enemies, so we need to make those choices count.

There is some, but scant, evidence to convict any remaining player conclusively. So I suggest to you remaining townies that you consider this: How do you want to feel at the end of the game? Bamboozled by a clever mafia, or satisfied that the town (you) did the best it could?

I recommend you kill Sasaki and P-kev, asap.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

So, it seems the man you hurt then attacked Mak. Therefore, we have one killer.

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There are plenty of other reasons it could have been. The man could have been injured in a previous night, such as in the two-person fight on N3(?). The use of sword and then tommy-gun is very inconsistent. If it was the same person, there would probably have been something at least remotely similar about the MO.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Funny, just a couple days ago you publicly pleaded for Manfredo to join the town. I guess joining the Mafia changed your goals.

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A lot more people were alive back then. It was far less dangerous for Manfredo to be killing at that point. That fact that he is doing so now indicates that he either doesn't understand the damage he is doing (n00b) or he doesn't care. My money is on the latter.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

It would be very unwise for the town to trust anything TC says.

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It was always very unwise for the town to trust anything I said, but that doesn't mean that what I said was wrong or misleading. Good mafioso speak the truth 99% of the time.

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Originally Posted by KukriKhan

Town probably has only 2 more opportunities (day phases, including this current one) remaining to kill their enemies, so we need to make those choices count.

There is some, but scant, evidence to convict any remaining player conclusively. So I suggest to you remaining townies that you consider this: How do you want to feel at the end of the game? Bamboozled by a clever mafia, or satisfied that the town (you) did the best it could?

I recommend you kill Sasaki and P-kev, asap.

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Seconded


*returns to vulcano*

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Originally Posted by TinCow

There are plenty of other reasons it could have been. The man could have been injured in a previous night, such as in the two-person fight on N3(?). The use of sword and then tommy-gun is very inconsistent. If it was the same person, there would probably have been something at least remotely similar about the MO.

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Doubtful... I think we got hoodwinked by the Carelli. He did one kill as yakuza to make us think one was still alive. But Taketsi was lynched days ago. We'll see what tonights report says. There is little reason for the "limper" to maintain his yakuza disguise any longer.

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A lot more people were alive back then. It was far less dangerous for Manfredo to be killing at that point. That fact that he is doing so now indicates that he either doesn't understand the damage he is doing (n00b) or he doesn't care. My money is on the latter.

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Looking over his actions, or lack of action, it seems he was doing exactly what you asked. Like I said, it's interesting how your posts have changed...

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It was always very unwise for the town to trust anything I said, but that doesn't mean that what I said was wrong or misleading. Good mafioso speak the truth 99% of the time.

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Yet we have little reason to believe it...

damn internet on the umm its not working well... anyway heres the post i have been trying to make

and Vote Sasaki

ok theres only 9 people left and were dropping like flies, after in the last game eveyone kept saying sasaki was suspicious but i was thinking what are the chances of him being a bad guy again ? it turned out he was and i was annoyed at myself.

I think the only player left i don't want to vote for gauis

heres my list of suspicious players (starting with most suspicious)

Sasaki
Woad
Cauis
P-kev
Prole
Elite Ferret
Axel

I have probably moved sasaki a place or 2 higher than he deserves but thats probably down to previous bad experience with him.

Woad i just feel isn't trustworthy, its just a feeling i get off him rather than something concrete

Cauis other people have mentioned is lurking here while being active elsewhere possible scummy tactic ?

P-Kev almost too helpful, this is all i can accuse him off....

Prole a bit of recent inactivity, experienced mafia player.#

Elite ferret, i don't even now what to say here....

Axel, this guy is possibly a figment of our collective imaginations and is only rumoroured to exsist, should we ignore this guy because of sight out of mind or is he playing a blinder as a lurking mafia...

Woad i have heard the mafia dislike PS3's also ;)

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Yet we have little reason to believe it...

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You have every reason to believe it. Mafioso by nature know far more about what is going on than the normal townie. The reason they tend to lurk is because this very knowledge often makes them slip up and act in a manner that is predictable. It is like a 'tell' in poker. Mafioso that can survive despite being in the public eye for long periods of time only do so because their statements are reasonable and make sense under the circumstances.

I have not admitted to being a mafioso in any way, but I will tell you this: if I am assigned a mafioso role, I approach the game by consciously walling off my mafioso knowledge from the rest of my knowledge. When posting in the game thread, I draw only on what I know from my non-mafioso knowledge. This allows me to post like a normal townie. I only breach that wall when it is important for the victory of my team, and even then I make the breach as small as possible. This means that even if I am playing a mafioso, the vast majority of what I say is my honest opinion on the situation, without prejudice of any kind.

You also need to keep in mind that even if I was a mafioso in this game, there are multiple mafia families competing against each other. Mafia want to kill other mafia just as much as they want to kill the town.

Where's my "the end of the town is nigh" smiley?

I think Sasaki and Privateerkev should be lynched but I wouldn't be surprised if Prole and/or Woad were somehow guilty either. Caius behaves a bit weird but I'm not sure what to make of it.

Vote:caius

Seems I don't have much choice. Would rather w&f. But, those are the only two I can see being mafia, so it's not that bad.

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Originally Posted by KukriKhan

Lynch the quiet folk. They're your biggest threat.

At the very least, they do you no good. Coming on-board once a day and saying "Oh noes, I don't know who to suspect" is disingenuous. We're all totalWar players here - who doesn't pay attention when signed up for a mission/game? Such a tw player would be laughed off the MP battlefield, and roundly ignored/disinvited to future contests, no?

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Don't qutie get your MP refence, but argeed, Get the Lurkers.



I say Get Sasaki And Caius. Seem like the most likey, or almost. :clown:

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Where are the other dead townies? GH, CR, Seamus, Kukri, Ichigo, Glenn and Rythmic.
You can't mean to leave the rest out to dry, do you. If the dead were not to influence this game, then it would have been dead stay dead and do not talk.

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

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That's it? You think the weirdo is guilty?
Now come on axel, Caius and Prole. Lynch one or the other... rather PK than any of the other.

Tally:
Caius 4 : (Elite F, Curio, PK, Sasaki)
Sasaki 2 : (LG, W&F)

not voting 3 : (axel, Caius, Prole)

@LittleGirzzly: I was on your confirmed innocent list last time, what have I done that is suspicious?

I'd say Sasaki is better off deadzies or LG

What else can I say? Sasaki is being coward, voting me for staying alive. He could be hiding a role.

Vote:Sasaki

Is it me, or does Caius always get lynched for this exact same reason in every mafia game? And he's NEVER been mafia? Sheesh, folks, come on...

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Originally Posted by makaikhaan

Is it me, or does Caius always get lynched for this exact same reason in every mafia game? And he's NEVER been mafia? Sheesh, folks, come on...

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In fact, the only game which I was lynched for other reason was my first one, and I was lynched thanks to Sasaki... I think he has led me to death several times... thats why dont trust him.

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Originally Posted by Caius

What else can I say? Sasaki is being coward, voting me for staying alive. He could be hiding a role.

Vote:Sasaki

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Yeah, what is up with that Sasaki? Do you genuinely think Caius is mafia?
You mentioned W&F, why not make a case against him and drum up a wagon?

Why do you defend him?

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

Yeah, what is up with that Sasaki? Do you genuinely think Caius is mafia?
You mentioned W&F, why not make a case against him and drum up a wagon?

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Well, Master Dragonslayer, allow me to answer your rhetorical question. Because Caius is an easy lynch this time of the game, which is why Sasaki made sure to try and keep him alive so as to distract the town with a pointless and error-laden bandwagon just like in almost every other game. :whip:

Yeah, I'd go for Sasaki right now.

Voting closed. Stand by for execution.

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I'm with khaan on this one.

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Originally Posted by makaikhaan

Is it me, or does Caius always get lynched for this exact same reason in every mafia game? And he's NEVER been mafia? Sheesh, folks, come on...

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I was partner with him once in a mini mafia. He played like this and coasted to victory.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

Yeah, what is up with that Sasaki? Do you genuinely think Caius is mafia?
You mentioned W&F, why not make a case against him and drum up a wagon?

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I was going out, and did not have time. Participation this round was also abysmal. Don't blame me. W&F has a little better chance but Caius is still almost 50/50.

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Originally Posted by GH, Ichigo, Husar, Kukri,little grizz

lynch sasaki

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Flattering and all, but you guys are wrong. I guess this was inevitable though.


edit: is it just me or has no one who voted me offered any evidence at all? Logical fallacies don't count as evidence. Tomorrow is the last day, guess I don't have a choice.

Good evening,
It seems that LittleGrizzly just votes the ones wot aint on forum that much, is it to make him not a suspicious player himself ?? or just wanting to vote SOMMEONE ? any one cane vote like this that aint hard, why not just lynch every one wot aint on forum for a fue days, make the game a lot easyer!! in this case LittleGrizzly is a suspicious suspect
but there are more players wot vote like this but they are lucky to be on forum everyday so they aint suspicious (Ye right) and that makes every one of those guys suspicious ......why? well you got the head of the family and all the rest dose wot he say s just like the voting :yes:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Tomorrow is the last day, guess I don't have a choice.

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Umm... what do you mean you don't have a choice?

o_O