Star Fox- Lylat Wars [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Beskar

I think ArpegTHIS is far more scummer than Jooray. The mafia knew Beefy was who he was, however, Star Fox team suspected Beefy due to their activities. What is interesting about Arpeg, is how he was running around "convinced" Beefy is saying the truth, even though Beefy's own team (nor mine) had access to this information of 'confirmed innocence'.

I am really interested, I only held back because there was the possibility you was an unaligned power-role, but the results on that gave a negative.

Arpeg, so how was you so certain Beefy wasn't the mafia?

For reference, I am going to quote what Arpegthis is stating:

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I didn't particularly want to disclose this, but here's my role claim. It can be completely verified through inspecting Pizza's day-phase writeups.

Here goes: my vote to lynch only counts against non-town players. Basically, it allows me, after a write-up, to check whether players were/should be killed or not.
- I voted to lynch Beefy in the second day phase (I think), and if you check the write-up you'll find that my vote didn't count against Beefy because he was innocent.
- Later on I voted to lynch Pinman, who turned out to be an Attack Carrier. See how my vote does count in that tally.

What's most important about this now is that my vote did count against Khazaar. Therefore he must either be Venomian or worse.

With this information, I'd strongly suggest a Vote: Khazaar.

I could scan him.

Interestingly enough, Arpeggiate's story holds some water.

His votes indeed did not count on proven pro-townies (Beefy), and only counted on proven scums (Pinman).

All this can be verified by:

These official tallies.

Interesting, I doubt that this is a mere coincidence, in every case where if his claim could be proven, the data is indeed there, correlating with his claim :thinking:

Vote: Khazaar

Nvm. My bad. I don't like the soft claim though.

On another note that I forgot to put into the previous post:

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Therefore he must either be Venomian or worse.

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Caution is still advised for all, but this is a pretty decent lead. However, we may be barking up the wrong tree as there may still be plenty of Venomians.

Edit: Double Checked after seeing Psycho's post.

This is very odd, the first link that I posted shows Arp's vote obviously not being tallied.

Edit 2: Tripled Checked again.

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Beefy187: 1 (ArpeggiateTHIS, Khazaar)

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Edit 3: Dear Psychonaut, why are you so vehement without looking at the facts first? :wink:

Were you too hasty and overplayed your hand? :beam:

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Originally Posted by Death is yonder

Edit 3: Dear Psychonaut, why are you so vehement without looking at the facts first? :wink:

Were you too hasty and overplayed your hand? :beam:

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No. Not my playing style. I read the names listed not the number total, so next to Beefy there are 2 names, I skipped over the part where it says 1 vote. As you'll find on other day phases his name doesn't even appear next to his vote target. Hence my confusion.

Pretty good lead, soft claim aside. Arp can you vote one of landlubber or Frozen if we get the proper amount of votes on Khazaar today?

Unvote; Vote: Khazaar

Unvote; Vote: Khazaar

(Edited the above. Repost to revalidate vote).

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Originally Posted by ArpeggiateTHIS

I didn't particularly want to disclose this, but here's my role claim. It can be completely verified through inspecting Pizza's day-phase writeups.

Here goes: my vote to lynch only counts against non-town players. Basically, it allows me, after a write-up, to check whether players were/should be killed or not.
- I voted to lynch Beefy in the second day phase (I think), and if you check the write-up you'll find that my vote didn't count against Beefy because he was innocent.
- Later on I voted to lynch Pinman, who turned out to be an Attack Carrier. See how my vote does count in that tally.

What's most important about this now is that my vote did count against Khazaar. Therefore he must either be Venomian or worse.

With this information, I'd strongly suggest a Vote: Khazaar.

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Huh, that seems about right, but what is your actual role?

Anyways, death to Venomians/non-Cornerians! Vote: Khazaar

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Arp can you vote one of landlubber or Frozen if we get the proper amount of votes on Khazaar today?

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Actually that alone will be insufficient.

It will only tell us if they are Venomian or Anti-Town.

I propose that whoever was the neutral scanner (I recall someone claimed a while back) work in conjunction with ArpeggiateTHIS to simultaneously scan people. [Though not in private since Pizza obviously won't allow that]

How would this work?

Arp: Scan --> Possible Neutral or Anti-Town
Person X: Scan --> Eliminate Neutrality option, anti-town scumbag detected!!

Of course all this assumes is that Arp is telling the truth.

It was Double A claiming to be neutral scanner

Looks like it's time for me to defend myself. Too bad I don't have much of a defense.
I'm a normal townie, a generic Cornerian fighter. I don't have a single ability, and it's just a terrible coincidence that I always vote for someone who is killed later on. I can't help that; that's the mafia's decision. I suppose that it could be a frame, or, like I said before, a coincidence. If you must, you can vote for me, because I'm afraid that I would be a pretty good lynch right now, although I would advise against it; no need to lynch townies.

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Originally Posted by Psychonaut

Arp can you vote one of landlubber or Frozen if we get the proper amount of votes on Khazaar today?

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Yes, Arp, please vote for me so the rest of the town will see the truth.

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Originally Posted by Death is yonder

Actually that alone will be insufficient.

It will only tell us if they are Venomian or Anti-Town.

I propose that whoever was the neutral scanner (I recall someone claimed a while back) work in conjunction with ArpeggiateTHIS to simultaneously scan people. [Though not in private since Pizza obviously won't allow that]

How would this work?

Arp: Scan --> Possible Neutral or Anti-Town
Person X: Scan --> Eliminate Neutrality option, anti-town scumbag detected!!

Of course all this assumes is that Arp is telling the truth.

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Good plan. :yes:

Is this your best case? You reveal that for me? Maybe I should be honored, but is there really no better target than me after all these turns? I´m a basic townie, Venomian indeed but this is just ATPG´s way of creating tension between the two townfactions. It´s best to ignore that all together and work on finging the real scum.

So far the nightkills were pretty even between Conerians and Venominans. It sure doesn´t look like mafia is trying to favor one side or the other...

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Originally Posted by ArpeggiateTHIS

I didn't particularly want to disclose this, but here's my role claim. It can be completely verified through inspecting Pizza's day-phase writeups.

Here goes: my vote to lynch only counts against non-town players. Basically, it allows me, after a write-up, to check whether players were/should be killed or not.
- I voted to lynch Beefy in the second day phase (I think), and if you check the write-up you'll find that my vote didn't count against Beefy because he was innocent.
- Later on I voted to lynch Pinman, who turned out to be an Attack Carrier. See how my vote does count in that tally.

What's most important about this now is that my vote did count against Khazaar. Therefore he must either be Venomian or worse.

With this information, I'd strongly suggest a Vote: Khazaar.

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Good enough for me. Makes sense. Although it does not Specifically mean you are a Pro town role yourself. But I think that can be solved if Double A just investigates you.


Vote: Khazaar

Assuming Arpeg is telling the truth, Vote: Khazaar.

That's a bit of a weird role-claim there, ArpegTHIS, but I can imagine Atpg putting a role like this into the game.
Well I still don't like the idea to kill someone, because he might be a Venomian, even though I'm not one myself. So I'd prefer it if Khazaar would be checked for Neutrality first. But I guess that's just me.

So since Frozen and landlubber will be checked in the future, I'd like to pressureVote: johnhughtom. Didn't like what happened there yesterday and still haven't heard any explanation for it.

A nice little waggon, can´t do much more than roleclaim I guess. Time to look at the people that hop onboard the joyride...

Good cases made by Psychonaut...Landlubber, Frozen in Ice, and Khazaar all sound like scum. But who is most likely to be mafia instead of Venomian? Sounds like Vote: Landlubber to me.

EDIT: Forgot to Unvote.

Vote: Khazaar

Yes, this is a blatant bandwagon vote.

Funnily enough, Frozen in Ice was another one of the people on my suspect list. (landlubber and him were at the top)

So get rid one of them, and I can check the other tonight, makes my life earlier by narrowing down suspects.

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Originally Posted by Death is yonder

Actually that alone will be insufficient.

It will only tell us if they are Venomian or Anti-Town.

I propose that whoever was the neutral scanner (I recall someone claimed a while back) work in conjunction with ArpeggiateTHIS to simultaneously scan people. [Though not in private since Pizza obviously won't allow that]

How would this work?

Arp: Scan --> Possible Neutral or Anti-Town
Person X: Scan --> Eliminate Neutrality option, anti-town scumbag detected!!

Of course all this assumes is that Arp is telling the truth.

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Given that I am telling the truth, I guess that's more than a decent plan. Of course, no longer will I be selecting "random" targets to scan; I'll consult with everybody during the day phase.

In fact, given that you've got a decent wagon rolling on Khazaar, perhaps I should vote for a different person this round to "check" them? Just give me a name...

Double A, have you checked out either landlubber or Frozen in Ice? If they are a negative on the neutral, we can get ArpegTHIS to do his stuff.

ArpeggiateThis, I think either landlubber or Frozen in Ice would make fine targets for your ability.

Arpeg, it would have been nice to have that revealed last round, we might have saved our reviver...

But, anyway, Vote: Khazaar, since clearly isn't Cornerian.

Here's a tally of every vote Arpeg has made, and whether it counted on someone, for any too lazy to look through the thread:

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Day 1:

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Originally Posted by ArpeggiateTHIS

Vote: Pevergreen

Until he tells me what his name means, or apologises for saying he hasn't seen me before when I'm already in a game he's in. ArpeggiateTHIS. Remember it.

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Originally Posted by askthepizzaguy

8 pevergreen : (Diana Abnoba, Secura, Arpeggiate, choxorn, wideye, YLC, Renata, Chaotix)

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Day 2:

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Originally Posted by ArpeggiateTHIS

What? Do not project your guilts on to me, Beefy. I have done nothing to warrant such grave accusations. Perhaps it is you who has something to hide? Vote: Beefy

EDIT: Unvote; Vote: Beefy

Hope this isn't too late, but I forgot I already voted for Civ. Ah well.

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Beefy187: 1 (ArpeggiateTHIS, Khazaar)

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Day 3:

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Originally Posted by ArpeggiateTHIS

Vote: Romanic

He seems quiet.

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Originally Posted by askthepizzaguy

Romanic- (0)

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Day 4:

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Originally Posted by ArpeggiateTHIS

I like the points you make.

Unvote; Vote: Pinman

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Originally Posted by askthepizzaguy

Pinman: (12) Arpeggiate, WEW, God Emperor, JHT, miotas, pevergreen, autolycus, DIY, Secura, Flax, Double A, Beskar

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Day 5:

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Originally Posted by ArpeggiateTHIS

I'll go with Romanic on this one.

Vote: Beefy

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Originally Posted by askthepizzaguy

3 Beefy (Nictel, Skooma Addict, Cultured Drizzt fan)

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Day 6:

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Originally Posted by ArpeggiateTHIS

Seems fair enough: Vote: Khazaar

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Originally Posted by askthepizzaguy

Khazaar: (5) Double A, Diana, WEW, ArpeggiateTHIS, Nictel

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So, over the past 6 days, he's voted for Pevergreen, Beefy, Romanic, Pinman, Beefy, and Khazaar. His vote did count against Pever (who was Venomian) and Pinman (Who was mafia), so Khazaar is either Venomian or mafia. It didn't count against Beefy, who was Rob64, obviously. It also didn't count against Romanic, so Romanic must be Town.

Apparently I made an error. His vote shouldn't have counted against Beefy on day 2.

:shame:

edit: The name was there but the number was off. I guess that counts. Still, the name shouldn't have been there.

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Originally Posted by ArpeggiateTHIS

Given that I am telling the truth, I guess that's more than a decent plan. Of course, no longer will I be selecting "random" targets to scan; I'll consult with everybody during the day phase.

In fact, given that you've got a decent wagon rolling on Khazaar, perhaps I should vote for a different person this round to "check" them? Just give me a name...

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Vote: Landlubber After reviewing his posts, some of his votes were a bit disturbing. Particularly his unwarranted vote on Katt(JHT) and voting for pinman during the night phase after his lynch and confirmed mafia alliegiance.

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Originally Posted by Khazaar

Is this your best case? You reveal that for me? Maybe I should be honored, but is there really no better target than me after all these turns? I´m a basic townie, Venomian indeed but this is just ATPG´s way of creating tension between the two townfactions. It´s best to ignore that all together and work on finging the real scum.

So far the nightkills were pretty even between Conerians and Venominans. It sure doesn´t look like mafia is trying to favor one side or the other...

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It appears you claim venomian, and are trying to distance the venoms from the mafia. Could you explain your vote on Double A who claimed slippy(a team fox member) unopposed?

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Originally Posted by wideyedwanderer

ArpeggiateThis, I think either landlubber or Frozen in Ice would make fine targets for your ability.

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Ahh, then Unvote; Vote: Frozen In Ice

What are the chances this will result in me getting sucked into a vortex next round? :sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by Skooma Addict

Vote: Landlubber

It appears you claim venomian, and are trying to distance the venoms from the mafia. Could you explain your vote on Double A who claimed slippy(a team fox member) unopposed?

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If you can explain that Khazaar I think I am willing to back off of you and hope an Investigator checks you out so we are more sure about who you really are.

Arpeg makes a good point. Following his logic, I'll vote: Khazaar.

I should re-iterate just so that I don't get into any bother: Khazaar could be Big Bad, but he also could be Venomian. I can only distinguish between town and non-town.