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The Prague Spring was in 1968 and in 1990 the iron curtain fell. Sometimes these things look like they won't work at first but in the long term they erode existing sturctures and do lead to improvements. That's not to say the Prague Spring alone led to the fall of the Soviet Union, just that these events are often indicative of a brewing unrest and longing for change in the population that doesn't just disappear due to a lack of immediate satisfaction.
Why should I care about their satisfaction, why should I be concerned about them, they are idiots who lost their camel and suddenly showed up here by accident, and are stupid enough to go back. Let them, bye.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
When I say that the movement hasn't necessarily failed it's not the same as saying you should love them and go hug them. And where does the "showed up here" come from? Do you live in North Africa now or did the arab spring thing happen in the Netherlands?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
I believe it when I see it...
As soon as air support is withdrawn I'm rather sure things will swing back again... When they have cleared the whole city AND held it steady for half a year or so, I will start to put some faith in it...
But the Iraqi army is just too... Incompetent... To handle a fight on their own.
In a way it did, because real experts who were never were inivited were right all the time. Right know they just don't want to talk about it anymore, that is normal when everybody gets it absolutily wrong. They just lose all interest in what they got wrong. That it afffects thousands of people doesn't matter, they fill their pipe and get another wine and read another book. How narcistic can you be before you understand that you are a narcist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
What Iraqi Army? Tikrit was captured by the Shia militias and the Quds Force. The bombardment didn't offer much, it was mostly done for propagandistic purposes, to show that America is committed to the war against the Caliph.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
IS branches appearing in Afghanistan? Interesting.
Who was it that I made the bet with?Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
I am beginning to think that I will need to talk with either a high-end Wall Street LBO specialist or a mafia capo-regime (presuming there exists a strategic difference between the two, it may only be a tactical difference) to understand the current by-play between Al-Queada and IS. It seems to me that the two are in a "horror show" competition while competing for the same labor pool.
LOL!! Word...Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
I do understand it from a muslim perspective though... ISIS you know, IS the new caliphate (self proclaimed at least)... Any muslim against it are thus no true muslim...
Sidenote: I actually welcome this view... Let the idiots drag out all the other idiots... Way easier to kill them off when they are all bunched up in numbers and carry clear flags.
I don't LIKE it, but it's much preferable to have an enemy you KNOW.
Agreed, best to kill them just a little bit so they keep their appeal for nutjobs here. As long as they think they can win they will go there and we are rid of them. IS as a killing room, perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
Not so nice for those who live there though, but everybody who is against IS is probably already dead.
Amhed Abdullah Abid Kalaf, the Governor of the Saladin Mazrpanate, who, to be sincere, has a reputation of being slightly mythomaniac, announced that Ibrahim al-Douri, the current leader of the outlawed Baathist party and the most wanted Iraqi since 2003 (he was the "King of the Clubs" in the infamous deck) was killed.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0N81EZ20150417
It would be a considerable success on behalf of Iran and Her Shia Militias, if they managed to get rid of the "Scotsman", as his force, the Army of the Men of the Naqshbandi Order was mainly responsible for the fall of Nineveh (Mosul), last year.
On the other hand, it has been reported that he had quarrelled with the Caliphate, when they refused to follow his advice on how they are supposed to govern the occupied lands.
http://anysoldier.com/brian/Iraq/184e.jpg
Also, a rahter informative video about the military superiority of Iran:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehbn...yer_detailpage
Al-Douri looks like he could be my grandfather. Crusader genes?
Older. Apparently, he's from a line of Arabized Assyrians. He's closer to rvg than anyone else here, probably.
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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
implying all people in the middle east look the same
well it's nice to see you got a degree in Islamic theologyQuote:
I do understand it from a muslim perspective though... ISIS you know, IS the new caliphate (self proclaimed at least)... Any muslim against it are thus no true muslim...
Wut?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
How is being surprised that a Baathist general could pass for a Scotsman implying that everybody in the Middle East looks the same?
I would be pretty surprised if a native of my neck of the woods was born looking like your average Bedouin Arab, it doesn't mean I think all white people look the same.
Your surprise at his looks shows that he does not fit the image you had of a "typical" Middle Easterner. Having a typical Middle Easterner in your head means that you think they all look the same and basically fit your stereotype. Or that's what Hax and his ultra-liberal feminazi PC-police friends would say to terrorize you with thought-control. I found your statement rather understandable and harmless. In fact I thought that guy on the picture was some crazy bavarian because of the hat, but I'm probably racist towards bavarians according to the pinko libraul thought police.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
He's probably dead:
http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/co...al-haq-forces/
WARNING: Its content might be shocking.
He was an efficient commander, even the pro-Assadists and Iran (the most bitter of his enemies) respected him as a man of particular shrewdness.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RXvw-hkmGE...21586354_n.jpg
We have looked into your soul, Rhyfelwyr, and we know your thoughs. Allahu akbar.
I understand where it comes from, but you have to understand that Iraq is an incredibly ethnically diverse and cosmopolitan place (or used to be, until everything went to hell). For the bedouin, you'll have to go deeper into Arabia (:
Fair enough, it was a cool thing to learn.
Another day in paradise, people with culture killed 500 people in a single day. Don't know if it is true but they kinda have a record for mutually respecting everything that's not holy and mercifull. Political correct people know, for a fact, that it has nothing to do with... ah fuck it that is also a religion you can't argue with
Oh come now, Kad is absolutely correct. If you believe the Caliph is the Caliph then you must follow his orders, those who do not follow him do not believe he is the Caliph and that means they are not "true" or "right thinking" Muslims.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
Now, to be fair, that doesn't mean you automatically kill them but to suggest that killing the infidel and the heretic are not theologically robust responses is disingenuous.
You could have just said, "most people who speak Arabic are not Arabs in the same what that most people in the Roman Empire who spoke Latin were not Latins". If he is from a very old and "pureblooded" Assyrian family he will look different to the majority of the people you see in the middle east in the same way an Aristocratic Spanish (Visgothic) family will look rather different to the average Spaniard today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
There's no God but the Lord.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
This message is brought to you by Caliph rvg.
Follow me, and you are guaranteed a spot in Heaven with your choice of 72 girls/boys/whatevers.
Well, rather surprisingly, it seems that the Mazrpanate of the Saladin Province lied. In Baghdad, they refuse to clarify the fate of Al-Douri, under the pretext of lack of DNA, while a new video has been released, where the Ginger of Nineveh commented on his alleged death, the Persians who try to repeat the battle of Opis, while he also insulted the Caliph.
So, good news for the Iraqi Baathists, I suppose.
http://s1.lemde.fr/image/2015/04/18/...cc5bce6d9d.jpg
https://news.yahoo.com/baath-party-t...165604017.html
For a moment I was wondering again why this picture of an SNP politician is in this thread and what a strange scottish word Mazrpanate is...
For the ones who follow the Caliph or for everyone? If I'm not mistaken Hax was complaining that Kad was basically saying the version of Islam that ISIS preach is the true Islam. The way you sound you agree with Kadagar but in defense of both of you you might mean that for a follower of the Caliph, everyone who isn't a follower of the Caliph is not a true muslim. The way you both worded your posts it sounds as though you are telling millions of muslims that they should join the caliphate if they want to be true muslims, which is quite an absurd statement according to Hax. So this is either a misunderstanding or you and Kadagar claim to know better what Islam is about than all the millions of Muslims on earth who do not want to join ISIS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
It's a bit like a Muslim coming here, saying 'I do understand it from a christian perspective though... America you know, IS god's country (self proclaimed at least)... Any christians against it are thus no true christians...'.
It's either a statement so generic as to be superfluous or indeed quite absurd.
How is IS not the true version of islam? Not all muslims submit to islam, they are just born muslim, but IS absolutily is doing what their holy book tells them to do.
Eh, I thought it was obvious - if you believe in the self-proclaimed Caliphate it follows you have to believe in the Caliph, but the fact that it's self-proclaimed and not generally supported by the Mullah and Mufti's outside ISIS shows it isn't the "Universal Caliphate".Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Maybe I'm just better at reading Kad, or maybe I'm miss reading him. We shall have ti wait until he comes back.
Well, for Fragony it is certainly not that way as you can see above, and since Kad used to defend Fragony a lot, I can see how it is easily confusing. And what is so informative about saying that the people who believe in the caliphate believe in the caliphate and act as the caliphate wishes? If they didn't then they wouldn't believe in the caliphate. Fragony does at least have some sort of message, even if it's wrong, maybe that led Hax to take it that way because otherwise it's not really saying a lot. Not to forget that Kad talks about a muslim perspective and then goes on talking about an ISIS-follower perspective if your interpretation is correct. Fragony clearly claims that ISIS has the only true muslim perspective and therefore all muslims should follow ISIS or they are not true muslims. Except that Fragony thinks ISIS follow Islam and muslims don't so he doesn't really think that, he instead thinks that all followers of Islam should follow ISIS and Muslims follow.....I don't know....muslimism, the religion of musli??Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
Just read that ISIS has taken control of Palmyra. What a sad day for historians everywhere.
Well, I don't think Kad was trying to be profound, he was just saying ISIS has a sort of internal logic and he likes the idea of all the Muslim fundies being in one basket, as that makes it easier to know who they are and take them out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
I can't really fault that if you think killing all Muslim fundamentalists is the way to go, and I'm not sure it isn't.
Fragony, now Fragony is really quite brilliant and subtle and his underlying argument is entirely lucid and coherent, even when he isn't.
It comes down to this - what makes one a follower of Islam? Fragony believes the answer is following the Koran, and he's correct that doing so brings you much closer to ISIS than a moderate Western Muslim.