If you are the FBI detective, why did you lie about the results of Sigurd and also you still havent answered how you got into the Don meeting without a Don pm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
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If you are the FBI detective, why did you lie about the results of Sigurd and also you still havent answered how you got into the Don meeting without a Don pm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
We already were extinct. If you had simply declined our offer to cooperate, the only thing you had to do was lynching Dutch_guy (which sounded easier then it turned out to be :laugh4:) and all of the Stracci's would have been exterminated.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
There was no need for "a method" to destroy the Stracci's. Louis had already done that. Thanks to you, we survived just long enough to take out Louis.
Fascinating. No explanation as to why you didn't send tincow the whole pm earlier?
For reference, here's the FBI pm that was posted in the old capo thread:
Quote:
Your Role: FBI Detective
As with any pro-townie role, your basic mode for success is to vote to lynch Mafiosi, eventually removing the mafia threat from Fatlington and creating a town win. Moreover, you are Fatlington’s only FBI Detective. Each night phase, you can investigate two of your fellow Townies to try to discover Mafiosi etc.
Role Changing:
You may not change roles. If you combine with 2 other townies you can attempt to protect one target per night (after two successful protections, one of the group (not you) may become a “Doctor “ and can progress from there). Creating such a combination is up to you however, and you will have to work out your own deals/contracts/arrangements for forming such a combo with the other players.
PM’s:
Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:
“Get some sleep” “Investigate so-and-so” “Protect so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…” or “kill so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…”
Warning: if the requisite number of townies is NOT available, the protection/kill effort will almost certainly fail. If a townie attempts a kill/protection solo, the effort will certainly fail, and there will be at least one chance in three that the townie will perish in the attempt.
Investigations:
You will always register as “innocent” if investigated. When investigating others, your information will be significantly delayed – but much more accurate – then a regular detective. Rather then receiving your information at the conclusion of the night phase (when the regular detective gets their answer), you will receive yours AFTER the voting has closed on the following day phase.
When investigating others, remember that “innocents” include Townies and Dons, that “Criminal” includes some Townies as well as mafia Mades and Lucas. “Guilty” includes Mades and Wise Guys on the night of a kill as well as any Townie who has been involved in a killing. When you’ve identified a “guilty” target you may (60% if Made/Luca, 80% if Wise Guy, 100% if Townie) get additional evidence about other crimes or other data as well.
Special Note: You have one chance in 10 on each investigation to learn the exact role of the player investigated as well as the “normal” detective information above. This chance drops to 1 in 20 for identifying the Dons.
Getting Recruited:
What if a Mafioso seeks to recruit you? You can respond as you wish to such an offer. However, if they believe you to be a Wise Guy and use you as part of a kill team, that team will very likely fail unless you are an “extra” and they already have sufficient killers on the team. If recruited by a townie group, you can function as a normal townie (though you cannot participate in a killing) – and sometimes use your special function as well.
Why? It's pretty clear you can't explain that and if you can't explain it you must be a Don. Earlier you said you wouldn't send me your email because you didn't want me to post it in the thread but it's all in the thread now. Prole also says she never sent you her donna pm.Quote:
Please do stop attacking me based on your ignorance of the situation.
Instead you've just posted a generic fbi pm.
Fascinating. I say we let CA off the hook, on the condition that he reveals all his information. Including, since he's burnt now anyway, how he infiltrated the meeting of the dons. If he's lying, those lies will surely show through over the next few turns, and we can protect him at night.
Has anybody got an updated tally?
CR, I hope you realise that you're going to need a good explanation for the don meeting infiltration...
The names of the innocent have been covered. If people insist, they'll be uncovered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Investigations
Gee, maybe so I could continue trying to spy on them, and so people wouldn't rush to vote me. Sounds like a pretty stupid question now, doesn't it?Quote:
If you are the FBI detective, why did you lie about the results of Sigurd and also you still havent answered how you got into the Don meeting without a Don pm?
And as I said, I did have a don PM - Prole's from last game.
CR
CR ive been holding off voting as im awaiting an explanation as to the don meeting infiltration...
you used proles old don pm... werent they asking for certain words, like word 4 line 4, i find it hard to believe they would be identical got an explanation ?
but what about the family name... how did you pick one someone else hadn't claimed ?
and whats this about investigating me, a waste of time i can assure you.. but im assuming you won't take my word for it...
CR is telling the truth. Don't lynch him!Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
I can confirm that the results CR just posted are the ones he sent me. It is important to note that it was based on CR's N4 results that we killed Factionheir. As the write-up confirms, Factionheir was a Made. Also, CR specifically named Makanyane to JimBob and I as the Tataglia Luca a long, long time ago. Based on this information, she was killed on N8.
I would like to make a proposal: spare CR from the lynch today and wait for the result on Makanyane. If she turns out to have been a Tataglia Luca, then the evidence will strong suggest that CR's investigation results are real. If they are real, then his role is real.
Give it one day, people. There are other mafioso we can lynch right now. Do we really want to risk killing the FBI Detective?
Ahem -Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Wait one ******* minute. You go on and on about how I can't possibly use an old Don PM because they've changed so drastically and all that BS you know nothing about, and then when I post an obviously new FBI PM you act like it's no big deal, and say it's generic. They are obviously different.Quote:
For reference, here's the FBI pm that was posted in the old capo thread:
You cannot have it both ways. Either PMs are the same and I should not be held under such tight scrutiny for getting into the Don meeting, or they are different and I am the FBI detective.
Prole would be wrong:Quote:
Prole also says she never sent you her donna pm.
Full results:Quote:
Heya, thugs!
Hope you guys are having a nice week so far.
My email is [edited]@yahoo.com
We can discuss further there. Let me know what you guys would like to do tonight so we can get our pm to Seamus in on time. I don't know what info you two have, but here's what I got from Seamus, to keep you up to speed.
What do we make of Sasaki being our Wolf? I think we coulda done better, but we'll see. Any thoughts on our signature kill style?
Anyway, looking forward to working with you two. I'll be a little more busy than usual, so offer as much advice as you feel, I'm open to anything. Maybe tonight we should look at recruiting rather than offing a pair, but lemme know what you think. I'll try and stay on top of things as much as possible, but point out anything you think I might be missing or didn't catch wind of
You got my email, catch you guys later
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
All he has to do is explain exactly how he infiltrated the meeting. If he won't do this even when faced with death then it's obvious he can't and must be a don. Don't sidestep.
I'll Vote: Craterus for now. I think we should keep CR alive for now.
Jimbob please step forward. You claim to be in contact with 4 detectives, cross reference the detective results and check for inconsitencies, do they match CR's claim?
Good point, you still haven't explained that minor detail. You also realise the the faster you post this, the more convincing it will be. Louis' doctored notes a day late come to mind.Quote:
All he has to do is explain exactly how he infiltrated the meeting. If he won't do this even when faced with death then it's obvious he can't and must be a don. Don't sidestep.
Current Tally: Based on Count Arach's tally in post 2687
Crazed Rabbit 5 (Sasaki, CA, Joe Monks, Prole, Kage)
Craterus - 5 (CR, EliteFerret, TinCow, Cowhead, Myrddraal)
Charge - 1 (Xehh II)
Gibsong - 1 (Craterus)
Elite Ferret - 1 (TP)
Oh come on. Give him an extra day to fabricate fake pm's and e-mails.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Why are you always so cruel?
You are a wicked, wicked man, Andres. Have you ever considered a career in law? :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/...digfluiten.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
*cough*
:creep:
I did explain it, several times to multiple people!
Here's the emails:
(note, the first are at the bottom)
As can be seen, I quoted the whole first paragraph of the Don PM, knowing the code words would be in there somewhere, and then quoted and got lucky for the 4th question.Quote:
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:34:31 -0800
From: capo.org@gmail.com
To: don1_capodetutticapi@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Capo
I appreciate your caution.
But I remind you of the rules - no dead person can send off their role PM. Omanes was hung a while ago - and he would have had to give his PM to me before then. And assuming he set out on his pro-town path before his execution, why would I wait to contact you?
I have nothing urgent to discuss.
Don Cunni
- Hide quoted text -
On Feb 17, 2008 1:58 PM, Don Capi <don1_capodetutticapi@hotmail.com> wrote:
Not at all, dear Don Cunni.
It is just that you are late. We are contemplating if too late.
Don Stracchi has obviously gone pro town since he believes he has been betrayed by another family.
He could have given his pm to someone who shouldn't have one.
I am waiting for the other Dons and their reply.
You did however quote the wrong sentence (sentence no.2 in paragraph A), but I took it as intentional to see if I had the same pm.
Do you have matters of importance to discuss before this night's deadline?
Don C.
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:37:43 -0800
From: capo.org@gmail.com
To: don1_capodetutticapi@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Capo
What is this? You respond to my first email quickly, but then cut off contact?
Is this some ruse or scheme to let the Corleone family lead the other mafia families around by the nose?
Or perhaps a plan for you to cement your power. It is adversity you desire, then so be it.
On Feb 17, 2008 12:29 PM, Vinny The Fish <capo.org@gmail.com> wrote:
Cunnio
"Your death is part of the victory conditions for the other Dons, and will also severely limit your families chance of success as creating a new Don is time-consuming."
So we see why anonymity is important.
On Feb 17, 2008 12:12 PM, Don Capi <don1_capodetutticapi@hotmail.com> wrote:
You need to answer the 4 questions outlined under before this conversation will continue.
In turn you might ask me something from your Don role pm...
Until then,
Don C.
1. Your family name.
2. The codeword in parenthesis in the first section (Victory conditions) - Answered
3. The third word in the first section (Victory conditions) - Answered
4. Quote sentence no.1 in paragraph A (General) from the section Powers & Responsibilities.
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:51:25 -0800
From: capo.org@gmail.com
To: Don1_CapoDeTuttiCapi@hotmail.com
Subject: Capo
Greetings,
I have thought about your idea of a truce, so that we may not kill ourselves for the town. Of course, the victory conditions preclude us all from winning, but it is better that one of our noble families wins than the 'townies'.
"You are the boss of a crime family, and your goal is to take over Fatlington and become the Capo de Tutti Capi (Captain of Captains). To do this, you will need to eliminate all of the other Dons and establish a crime family that outnumbers the remaining Mafiosi and citizens of the town."
Salude! I look forward to collaboration with you.
CR
Think ill go with TC idea and wait for a day to check out the result on... whatever her name is....
Vote Craterus
we selecting a director today as well ?
Tally as of post 2737
Craterus - 6 (CR, EliteFerret, TinCow, Cowhead, Myrddraal, LittleGrizzly)
Crazed Rabbit 5 (Sasaki, CA, Joe Monks, Prole, Kage)
Charge - 1 (Xehh II)
Gibsong - 1 (Craterus)
Elite Ferret - 1 (TP)
If Makayane is not a Luca, please feel free to lynch me. But don't be an idiot and do so before then because Mr 'i fear what I can't understand' wants you to.
Indeed, Sasaki's arguments are full of holes.
For one, how can the Don PM be radically different, giving me no chance to infiltrate (which was a great boon to the town, and I shared info with Jimbob about it, and yet now I am close to dying because of it) and yet when I post my FBI role PM, Sasaki shrugs it off as 'generic'.
CR
Maybe because what was needed to get in the Don meeting was word from word accuracy right? And are the role pm´s the same as Capo I from word to word? No way. You are basically claiming that you got into iit by luck. Well that sounds hardly credible at all.:no:Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
I said your fbi pm was generic because it looked like you took the format to this games pm's (which has been posted publically) and added a bit from last game's fbi pm.
I don't find your email convincing but I'm willing to let it go until tomorrow. You want us to believe that the first section is exactly the same as last game, that the "codeword" was actually a code phrase, that this quote:
Is also exactly the same, and appears in section 2 (where the townie red text appears) even though Omanes revealed that the don pm has red text, and that Don Corleone believed you were testing him when you said it was from section 1. I find it extremely doubtful. You didn't have any reason not to quote those earlier.Quote:
"Your death is part of the victory conditions for the other Dons, and will also severely limit your families chance of success as creating a new Don is time-consuming."
Sounds more like an incompetent 'Don Capo' to me. He didn't do a whole lot to validate CR's attempt to get in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
Unvote: Elite Ferret
Vote: Crazed Rabbit
Just read through the last 2 pages...
So far all i have seen ar numerous posts of the exact stuff i said earlier. People are popping in, voting with the crowd to seem unsuspicious, then fading out and waiting for the next night phase..we've done this every day phase so far, and at the last count more townies/neutrals (wiseguys) are dead then are mafia.
Everyone who is voting take a step back. I vote Crazed Rabbit because after reading the previous two pages, every accusation against him that seems plausible is denied or ignored by himself. That leaves everyone to vote for Craterus..
Can anyone please explain the charges on Craterus? Seems to me that its all a bandwagon..started by CR to distract attention from himself..read page 90. He is accusing Craterus of posting early and accusing, yet he is doing the exact same thing.
FoS - Craazed Rabbit
I would like to find out what went on at the meeting. AFAIK, to get in he must've had the Don's post to get in. Either that, or his "sneaking in" was actually not a sneaking in at all...for all we know he probably co-ordinated the meering himself.
Either way, where has bandwagoning gotten us in the past?
Just before everyone goes running un-voting CR.
I can't disclose who the real FBI agent is since I didn't before I was lynched.
But may I refer to things that happened before I was lynched:
Remember,
It was me who first claimed the FBI results were bogus.
It was me who first received parts of the FBI pm from the real FBI agent or someone close to him/her.
I repeatedly accused the JimBob/CR/TinCow clan of fabricating these results and got lies as answers.
Look at TinCow's post:
I have highlighted a little different than TinCow and show you that CR in this pm didn't know about the 1/36 and 1/18 investigations.Quote:
If we decide Sigurd is likely Don, and to go after him in the day phase as a lynch, one of you (Jimbob?) should post in the thread that you received results from the FBI detective, who investigated Sigurd twice and got the result that he was the Don. I can give you a believable result from Seamus, and assure you that no one else will (truthfully) claim the role. And if they do, we know they're mafia scum.
Note that the new FBI agent pm has these probability results ... and notably after I revealed them in my posts while I was still alive.
The quote is not mistakable. CR claims he got two guilty results on me. This would be quite illogical considering the chances of getting a result on a Don.
I congratulate the town for catching one of the Dons, one of the two who never made contact with the hitman.
Im just curious as to how we have a specific role assiociated to the lady but in cr's published results i just seen guilty or innocent next to names...
Im not going to vote CR this round but he is looking very suspicious...
Old capo townie:
New capo Townie:Quote:
Your basic mode for success is to vote to lynch Mafiosi, eventually removing the mafia threat from Fatlington and creating a town win.
Quote:
You achieve victory by voting to lynch suspicious individuals and/or participate personally in their removal until such time as: a) all of the Mafia Dons, original and created, have been killed and b) the remaining townies and unaligned WiseGuys outnumber the remaining Mafiosi. Your personal survival, though important, is secondary to the overall success of the town.
Now, if you were trying to convince someone that you were a townie in this game, and they asked you to quote the third word from my second quote and you sent them the first quote do you think they would believe you? No. Not in the slightest. So how is it possible that Don corleone believe CR when he quoted the old Don pm, even if he is incompetent as TinCow suggests? It's not.
You mind sending us the link to the don board CR?
Denied or ignored?!
I've answered every single lame accusation here.
I can't believe this. Why can't we wait until Mak's role is revealed?
Sigurd, you're a filthy liar. Plus you didn't even read my PM:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
1/18 is not equal to 1 in 6. Gee, looks like you're caught lying.Quote:
Originally Posted by FBI Role PM
Read the freaking role PM! Second investigations give a 1/2 chance, not a 1/6 chance, to identify the role, and GH has his role listed by him.Quote:
Im just curious as to how we have a specific role assiociated to the lady but in cr's published results i just seen guilty or innocent next to names...
Im not going to vote CR this round but he is looking very suspicious...
CR
You always tend to skip over mine until forcibly reminded...Quote:
Denied or ignored?!
I've answered every single lame accusation here.
Read the freaking role PM! Second investigations give a 1/2 chance, not a 1/6 chance, to identify the role, and GH has his role listed by him.
ok, ok, this was brought up by someone else in the chat, seen as i have no idea what an FBI role pm looks like i didn't really pay much attention to it as it means nothing to me.
The main suspicion i have left is the mixture of luck and incompetence which allowed you into the don meeting, im pretty sure you said everything to do with this so it just comes down to trust now...
Lame accusations? They aren't "lame". Instead, they are true accusations, that is why you so rigourously defend yourself.
CR, please explain, what was the third word? How did you guess it? Do tell us, oh "truthful" CR, how did you get into the Don meeting??
As Sasaaki pointed out in a post above, there is no possible way that you could guess all of the answers and get them correct..unless you yourself devised the meeting or you have borrowed someone elses roll PM...in which case you know a Don...and I doubt if you know a don that makes you pro-town.
Again:
FoS: CR
But I have answered them all the same.
And yet my FBI role PM, which contains no flaws because it is the real PM, no minor imperfections anyone has pointed out, somehow is fake?Quote:
Now, if you were trying to convince someone that you were a townie in this game, and they asked you to quote the third word from my second quote and you sent them the first quote do you think they would believe you? No. Not in the slightest. So how is it possible that Don corleone believe CR when he quoted the old Don pm, even if he is incompetent as TinCow suggests? It's not.
CR
Didnt want to edit as it might be pushed back, but read this ill make it nice and big for ya:
If you got into the Don meeting and have openly admitted it over and over again, then why haven't the Mafia killed you yet???
'Nough said. :beam:
TP- read the freaking emails!
Geez, I'm sick of being accused by people who haven't a clue what they're talking about.
CR
1) I only told pro-town people before Sasaki.Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
2) There's a truce, you :daisy:.
3) If I was a Don, I'd have a luca, making attacking me pointless.
4) The mafia thinks it's better to kill the townies before turning on each other.
That enough reasons for you?
CR
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
And this is the Rabbit running out of excuses :laugh4:
CR, you say you're sick of being accused of people who lack the information right? Then why did you accuse Craterus?? To throw suspicion at someone else of course. But no, it backfired because everyone caught on..now you are running from Elmer Fudd and his rifle, silly rabbit.
Tell me, if you are not a hippocrate then why did you accuse Craterus?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
I like numbers 3 and 4 the best :beam:
If the Mafia would rather kill townies, then you are claiming to be a Don in that sentence...since you are saying "there is a truce"..didnt that only apply to the Dons? Now everyone "knows" your not a don..making you a townie with information...giving the Mafia prime reason to kill you.
Nice contridicting yourself.
EDIT: I like 3 also. Read his post carefully if i confused anyone. GTG, so ill reply to this liar later :laugh3:
How is it possible that Sigurd knew about it some days ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Apparently some pro-town dead people talk more than you'd expect.
:wall:
Why don't you read my post saying why I did so?Quote:
Then why did you accuse Craterus??
Yes, now. But not in the past. Sheesh.Quote:
If the Mafia would rather kill townies, then you are claiming to be a Don in that sentence...since you are saying "there is a truce"..didnt that only apply to the Dons? Now everyone "knows" your not a don..making you a townie with information...giving the Mafia prime reason to kill you.
CR
This one is good advice..Quote:
Give it one day, people. There are other mafioso we can lynch right now. Do we really want to risk killing the FBI Detective?
Sigurd hasn't been a good boy either eh? And sasaki,.. where did his confirmed town status come from? Let's not rush on the bandwagon on CR. Impossible to tell which side is lying right now.. I say give it a day.
Uh what ? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
:balloon2:
The crappy thing is, both CR being a don and CR being the FBI make perfect sense. I change my mind about him every two minutes, have been for most of the game. I gave most of my opinions two days ago already, when I tried every sort of conspiracy theory possible, and I still couldn't figure it out.
The only thing that is certain in this game is that TinCow is clinically unable to tell the truth. Which unfortunately gets CR into trouble now, since nobody will take TC's word for anything. However, there are clever ways of finding out if CR is really the FBI detective. :yes:
I, for one, would not lynch CR at this moment. I still want to get to the bottom of this. Plus I'm going trough one of those CR = innocent phases at the moment.
Sorry, knew i lost someone..
I mean that he says there was a truce, right? The truce only applys to Don's not killing other Don's...not Don's not killing Townies who secretly act like dons and then post all the info..
As for the fourth sentence, he states that:
So declaring himself Mafia right there. If hes not, which he will say hes not trust me, then why would he give this as a reason? He is saying he is pro-town repeadtly, so saying "Mafia wont turn on mafia" means he admits this doesnt apply to him ("because he pro-town"), giving the mafia a viable reason to kill him.Quote:
4) The mafia thinks it's better to kill the townies before turning on each other.
the last 2 sentences in CR's 4 sentence reason are both reasons that apply while he is pertending to be a donQuote:
Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
I agree that CR is suspicious but those 2 setences made sense to me as he was talking about whilst pertending to be a don the last 2 would apply, this would be a weak reason to lynch him as it seems to stem from other peoples misunderstandings...
Oh, i read it as his explanation of why the Mafia hasnt killed him yet...but if it is his reason for his lack of Mafia attention then it is a bad reason.
how do you know the truce only applies to Dons? Anyway didn't only two Dons turn up to the meeting, it would hardly be practical for them to arrange a truce with people they don't know the identity of. I admit you have a point but what you say also makes me suspicious of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
What's the link to the chatboard CR?
Please use some common sense here. Surely you have all noticed the significant drop off in mafia attacks over the last few nights. This is the direct result of lynchings and vigilante hits coordinated by JimBob, Crazed Rabbit, and myself, with significant help from several other people as well. CR's information was a huge part in making this happen. Surely that is enough to warrant giving CR the benefit of the doubt for one day. Just one day, to wait for the results on Makanyane. Are you really willing to risk lynching a major town asset, when you can find out whether his investigation results are real or not with a very short delay?
I promise you, if the results on Makanyane show that she was not the Tataglia Luca, I will vote for CR to be lynched myself.
I assume since its a Don meeting only the Don's had the truce..why would they declare a "im not gonna kill you" pact if one of the people attending betrayed them? Point being, if someone snuck into some government meeting and got secret information i doubt that the government would let them off easy..Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
Elite, sorry for accusing you...with your lack of posting and then a random vote, i assumed you have been hiding and only posting to vote..with good reason seeing that you "selected" on the wrong day :laugh4:
No, that's pretty irrelevant. It's possible to find out if someone is a luca. Remember the tataglia family is on the chatboard. If the tataglia mentioned that their luca was a "she" then it's simple elimination. CR hasn't posted the link to the chatboard. There are other ways he could have come across information as well, but what you continue to ignore is that there is NO way he could have gotten into the meeting with the old pm. How do you think that could have happened tincow? You are making yourself sketchier and sketchier.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
also..., if you not forgot Mak was "Tataglia, Rank Unknown" when JimBob posted results firstly.......
I believe that email chain he produced is real. That email chain shows that Don Capo accepted CR's role, even though he made mistakes with it. If he accepted CR's role, then he would have admitted him. Someone is making a major mistake here, either you or I. Clearly it would then be possible for the mafia to make a similar mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I put you in touch with CR myself, allowing you to get this information, because I was convinced that you were pro-town and wanted to bring you into the group. Now, because I am standing up for the person that I believe to be the FBI Detective, you call me sketchy? You wouldn't even have been contacted by CR if I hadn't successfully argued that you were pro-town in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Sasaki, think back to the information I gave you on the identity of another pro-town asset. An important one. CR has known the identity and role of that person for a long time. Why hasn't that person been killed? What Don in their right mind would let that person live one night, let alone three or four?
A don that wasn't himself want to die? If he can succesfully impersonate the fbi detective then he's safe.
No it's not a similar mistake. I'm talking about how there's no way the don corleone mistook one pm piece for another.Quote:
Someone is making a major mistake here, either you or I. Clearly it would then be possible for the mafia to make a similar mistake.
I have a hard time believing you'd be naive enought to trust him completely.Quote:
Now, because I am standing up for the person that I believe to be the FBI Detective, you call me sketchy?
Of course I don't trust him completely. The only person I trusted completely was JimBob, due to Glenn's reveal. I grew to trust CR over time because JimBob backed him and because I've interacted with him a great deal over the past couple weeks. Eventually, I felt the cumulative evidence was enough to trust him, so I did. I made a judgment call, just as you have done. I also don't find the arguments against CR convincing in the least. They are being distorted regularly by confirmed mafioso like Andres and Sigurd. CR is being misquoted, the facts taken out of context, and everyone accusing him is being incredibly hypocritical. He has so far answered every question you have asked (except for the chat room thing, which I expect him to produce whenever he gets back online) with answers that seem reasonable and evidence that seems real. Yet you brush them aside at a whim with reasoning that is just as poor-quality as you blame CR for producing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Sasaki, I do believe that you are pro-town, but I certainly hope you've got big plans and lots of contacts, because you've just single-handedly nuked everything I had going.
I'm rather limited by being dead (thanks chaps) in what I can say but would like to point some things out to the town regarding CR's claimed FBI results:
CR saysQuote:
Originally Posted by Game Rules
Kills taken from quick reading of story thread:Quote:
N3
Twilightblade = criminal
Makanyane = guilty
N5
Joe Monks = criminal
Makanyane = guilty N5, Tataglia Luca from outset of game.
Kills on N3
Glenn - Weather Balloon mafia
Beefy - Weather Balloon mafia
Pannonian - Ballet Shoes (Stracchi according to posts in thread)
Taka - Wise Guy group (think they were revealed in thread, not sure)
Zorg - Rose mafia (Barzini according to posts in thread)
Kills on N5
Chimyang - Rose mafia - (Barzini)
Kamikaan - Destiny mafia
Motep - Ballet Shoes - (Stracchi)
Rythmic - 4 killer vig squad - assume a few townies know composition of that...
Woad&Fangs - solo kill with Card
can anyone spot a problem - or figure out which two kills I'm meant to be guilty of on those two nights, erm especially if I'm meant to be the Luca staying at home protecting my Don?
maybe we're not giving these poor guys enough time to fabricate their evidence.
As a mafia newb here my head is spinning in circles....
first off i hope craterus is guilty even though i have barely any reason to suspect him, my vote went on him as more of a don't lynch CR vote, so sorry for that.
Sasaki the one thing that leads me to believe the TC CR combo is thier steady stream of results they've given us have been fairly accurate although the last day or 2 has made them seem suspicious doesn't the days before somewhat count against this suspicion ? or do you have another reason to suspect the 2 ? (please tell)
How realistic is the possibility of a Don falling for CR's ploy, it seemed fairly possible to me, maybe a newbie mafia player would fall for such a thing....
I've seen a whole lot of reveals. Many are fake--any mafioso worth his salt can fake a reveal. Even when you trust someone you should consider the possibility that they are a mafioso.
The only way I can see CR being innocent is if don corleone sent him to a fake board to fool him when he realized he wasn't the don. I think it's a distant possibility but that's one reason I want to see the chatboards.
Mafia have detectives as well and will pursue the other families.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Mak makes a good point. From CR's alleged fbi pm:
Quote:
“Guilty” includes Mades and Wise Guys on the night of a kill as well as any Townie who has ever been involved in a killing.
But where was it said that the barzini's were the rose group? Was that in the failed hit on andres when he was director? I have to look it up.
Unvote: Crazed Rabbit, Vote: Abstain
Not convinced yet, but need to catch up first
unvote, vote Crazed Rabbit
...if voting's still open. Self-preservation tbh, I'm not the person you're looking for.
EDIT: bolding vote, hope that's ok.
How deliciously wicked that would be. If that happened, I take my hat off to that player.Quote:
Originally Posted by S.K.
vote: Craterus
Craterus, If we've (OK, if I've) been fooled by a false accusation, and you end up clean... my deepest apologies. However, your innocence, along with the results on Mak will prove or disprove C.Rabbit's claims. And if he turns out scummy after that, we'll kill him.
When does the phase end? Current tally please?
Bah, no clue what the tally is and really torn on whether Crazed Rabbit should die. I find it preposterous that he could actually infiltrate the Don meeting the way it's supposed, but I'll keep abstaining since I have no idea at this point if my vote creates a tie, a double lynch or gets Crazed off. Have to get back to work so no time for a tally from me, sorry
FWIW, Crazed forwarded me the PMs he and I exchanged where I did in fact send him my old Donna role in CDTC1, but that's a moot point now anyway
Well, the phase ends in less than 2 hours and the current tally (using LittleGrizzly's from a while back) is:
Tally as of post 2783
Craterus - 7 (CR, EliteFerret, TinCow, Cowhead, Myrddraal, LittleGrizzly, Kukri)
Crazed Rabbit 6 (Sasaki, CA, Joe Monks, Kage, TP, Craterus)
Charge - 1 (Xehh II)
Abstain - 1 (Prole)
Louis, where did you get this? If it is true then it's proof that CR is lying about mak being the tataglia luca.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis
So if JimBob is lying and gives bad advice and wrong results we're supposed to listen to him? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Ok, this is to all of you. Does anyone remember the text of the hit on andres from night three? It said "prego, don barzini", but I can't find it to see if the killers left a rose. If they did then makanye can't be in the tataglia family and CR must be a don.
Vote Crazed Rabbit
To tie it up
Based on this, I'm proposing that we vote for a 'confirmed' mafia - gibson or another, TinCow? I just see no reason why I should be lynched 'just to not lynch CR' (thanks Kage, couldn't have put it better myself).Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Right now, you're killing one pro-town player to save another, ridiculous.
If everyone would like to sitch their votes from Craterus to Ichigo or Charge, I will agree to that. Craterus has never been my first choice for lynching.
Funky game, CR could indeed be the FBI detective, can't really tell anymore. ~D
Is there any way we could get an extension on today's vote deadline? There's a lot more ground to cover on this and I think we can clear it up today if we have a bit more time to work on it.
Earlier than n3, I think, because I remember commenting on the "Prego" bit on Feb 10th. scottishranger refers to it here, but I also can't find the original source. Very odd, it missing now. (Unless we're both blind). :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Let's not lynch Craterus (yet), nor CR. There have been too many 'let's lynch first, ask questions later' already. We can't random lynch yet again when there are confirmed mafia on the loose: Ichigo.
And most probably one of the three of Haudegen, CA and TC.
Have the three of you been killing before? Together?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
In particular, what was each one of you three doing yesterday night? (I mean n8, not the present n9)
In conjuction with this, the news that Ichigo was mafia was revealed 6000 posts ago and should also answer SK's question below:
A few posts under that one, I somewhat named my source: Ichigo. Of course, as mafia, he has an incentive to lie about his family.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
here
Edit: if I remember correctly, the 'Prego, Don Barzini' bit was removed by Seamus. Seamus had forgotten that Andres as director couldn't be night killed. So the write-up was changed.
Vote Crazed Rabbit
Recently revealed evidence points at CR either being don or FBI, but i can't believe the latter because there is no reason for him at all for him to reveal himself like that.
I saw it meant "You're welcome Don Barzini" somewhere....:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
will search if it is important..
ah, here
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...postcount=1726
part 3
so it was 'favour' kill for Barzinis, hence they couldnt left 'rose'....
Louis makes sense.
unvote: Craterus
vote: Ichigo
He also explains the missing "prego" remark. Not crucial, I think.
Sasaki is right that there is something to be looked at in this rose/Barzini detail.
ajaxfetish has done a great job keeping the information organized. His most recent and up to date post is here.
What we know from last night: A hit was launched on Ichigo. Either TinCow, CA, or Haudegen failed to show up for the hit and it failed. The same night, Haudegen was killed by the rose mafia.
Louis claims that Ichigo is from the rose mafia. The rose mafia also attempted a hit on CR on N6, but failed since only one person showedup. I also note for a fact that CR was the person who brough CA into the townie group and vouched for him. I can back this up with PMs to prove it.
Theory:
CR is the rose mafia Don. He infiltrates the townie group, posing as a detective. He then uses his credibility to infiltrate CA into the group. They both gain credibility by helping the townies kill off other mafia families. This credibility is boosted by having one of their own family members launch a hit on Don CR, but it is designed to fail by having only one person in on the hit. However, on N9, the townie target one of the roses, Ichigo. So, the roses sabotage the hit by having CA pretend to submit orders. They then turn and kill Haudegen at the same time. The keep me alive because I trust CR and CA and will vouch for them.
1) Can we trust Louis' info on Ichigo and the roses?
2) Is this plausible?
Unvote: Craterus
Vote: Ichigo
The more I think about it, the more the above theory makes sense. If CR is a Don, lynching him will have no impact on tonights kills. We have to lynch a Made/wiseguy to do that. So, I'll go with Ichigo. That will also give enough time for the results on Mak to come out.
unvote:craterus vote:Ichigo
Andres was killed that night by the Barzinis, which was odd, since he was heavily protected by his director's bodyguard at the time. From post 1004:Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
Fermanagh was visibly confused and shame-faced at his report that morning. He recounted the events of the night before as summed up on the police blotter, but he botched things and had to do it twice – he’d even mentioned Andres as a murder victim! Andres had cleared his throat and Fermanagh had started over, finally getting it out clearly.