Yeah, Europe has gona a bit slow.... but i just felt like doing a bit of mongol hording :PQuote:
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Yeah, Europe has gona a bit slow.... but i just felt like doing a bit of mongol hording :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Oh! TheLastDays!
Taras aka Tarentum?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh! TheLastDays!
SPQR 148 BC. Just after the last Campaign in Germania, now I will lead a little invasion to Britain, then I would turn finally toward East. Pahlava will be a great enemy soon.
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By the way I got a general with "High Ambition" trait that sounds important, may be needed for reforms, should I get him as heir?.
Nice Pahlava expansion.
Interesting Swêboz migration.
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Macedon, Epirus, and Pontus have already been destroyed by 262 BC. After I finish off Rome, I think I'll go for Carthage next. The Greek Federation will rule the Mediterranean!
N/N with rules: no extermination or expulsion, no destruction of special monuments
*Does early conquest of Rome prevent the "Passage of Time" event from firing?
It is not Rome per se that counts, but the construction of a huge city in Italy, held by the Romans that is of concern. Wiping the Romans out will ensure you won't get your reform units.
Nice blitz by the way.
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The realms of Pyrrhos the Great, Basileus of Epeiros, Makedonia and Italia, King of the Greeks and Vanquisher of the Romans upon his death at the age of 63 years. (256 B.C. VH/M)
Thanks to the power of battering elephants, I managed to conquer the Greek peninsula and Makedonia rather quickly. Along the way I killed off all the Makedonian FM's, which caused Mytilene to go rebel. I don't recall if the Greeks attacked me first, or if I attacked them first, but I eventually drove them out of the peninsula as well, before ending it when I conquered Rhodes.
On the Italian front, I chose to stand my ground instead of the usually recommended option of abandoning Taras. By reinforcing Taras with a unit of Illyrian cav and some levy spear units, I managed to beat back the Roman advance until they ran out of troops to throw at me. Following that, I advanced through southern Italy, while spamming Hoplitai Haploi in Taras. My advance was relatively quick, since the AI repeatedly choose to sally, allowing my cavalry to destroy them. About the time Pyrrhos wiped out the Rhodians, his son, Alexandros (The starting FM in Taras), had sacked Rome.
Unfortunately, this feat was accomplished not primarily by my skill, but by the AI's insistence on sending its one and a half stacks of heavy infantry and mercenaries to besiege the Eleutheroi provinces in the north. They did eventually return to challenge my troops, but at that point they were largely depleted and I had already taken Rome.
Following these two spectacular wars, the realm of Epeiros returned to peace. For a while. Since I was roleplaying, however, I decided that it would be uncharacteristic of Pyrrhos to simply rot away and die a death without any glory, and so he gathered his veteran army, sailed over to Rhetium, and conquered it, restoring its freedom to the native Greeks. From there, he crossed into Sicilia, where he conquered the Mamertines and the Syrakousai. As King of the Greeks, it was his duty to 'liberate' the Greeks under foreign rule, and so prepared to invade Carthaginian Sicily. They beat him to the punch, however, by besieging Messena just as he moved his army into their lands. And thus sparked the Punic War.
The Carthaginians were quickly driven out of Sicily, after the bulk of their forces attempted to ambush Pyrrhos as he moved towards Lilibeo. They succeeded, in fact, and would have managed to rout the Epeiroteans with their elephants had not their own forces routed at the first charge of Pyrrhos' forces. As a general rule, one should not make an army composed primarily of Poeni Militia without a general and expect them to hold up against a competent enemy with elephants of their own.
In the meantime, the Army of Italia, composed entirely of levy troops at this point (excepting a single unit of Tarantine Hippeis) proceeded to invade the islands of Corsica and Sardinia, before eventually landing in Africa itself, shortly after Pyrrhos himself had landed and sacked Carthage. Despite some horrible dice rolls, the Epeirotean fleets proved superior to the Carthaginian ones. (Three Pentekoroi, one Triereis, one 3 and one 4 star admiral)
Following that, Pyrrhos advanced west while Alexandros advanced south along the Libyan coast. Pyrrhos would eventually come across one and a half Carthaginian stacks, and at one point the battle nearly turned to disaster thanks to the enemy's strong advantage in cavalry. It was only thanks to his elephants that he pulled through that day.
Alas, fate was cruel, and he would eventually pass away while on campaign, far away from his homeland, albeit peacefully. And thus ends this short excerpt.
On a seperate but related note, does anyone know how to deal with those blasted enemy spies? Every single one of my cities in Italia and every single Punic city I conquer has somewhere around 30-50 unrest, yet no matter how many spies I train I have yet to catch even a single one, or even eject a single bloody spy from my cities. Needless to say, it's making conquest nigh impossible.
They're probably high-level, difficult to kill. You could try to train an assassin and using alt+right click to assassinate characters in your own cities. Otherwise, just wait until they die off.
train your spies and soon enough all the enemie spies will be booted out
sylon that is an epic campaign, are your epirote armies phalanx heavy or are you using a flexible hoplite army with cav?
My armies tend towards the lighter end, favouring flexibility over power (A habit I picked up from playing a long campaign as Saba). My regular army template is as follows: 1 general's bodyguard, 4 levy phalangites, 4 hoplitai haploi, 2 sphendonetai, 2 toxotai, 2 akontistai/peltastai (optional), 2 light/medium cav (optional) and 2-4 assault units. The latter part tends to consist of regional troops; for example, while campaigning in Dacia, my armies have drapanai auxiliaries attached to them.
Despite being light, this army still has quite a bit of staying power. Since my expansion has primarily been focused on the west, there isn't a single unit in the western hemisphere (apart from African pikemen) capable of taking on even my levy phalangites from the front. Hoplitai Haploi are the best spear unit I can get easy access to, since professional hoplitai require a level 3 regional as opposed to factional MIC in order to recruit. Sphendonetai and toxotai may not be all that good, but an army without missiles is nothing more than a sitting duck for skirmishers. Furthermore, since many western settlements are only fortified with wooden walls or palisades, they tend to be extremely useful in sieges.
The abundance of Hellenic colonies in the west means that all these can be retrained in most regional theaters (excepting the deuteroi phalangitai, who cannot be recruited from Massilia). Southern Italy covers the Italian peninsula, Sicily covers Punic North Africa, and Massilia covers Gaul. Emporion would usually cover Iberia, but unfortunately Epirote factional recruitment does not extend that far.
Further on in my current campaign, I have begun to augment my armies with Scythian archers instead of toxotai, podromoi as a medium cavalry option, and the occasional corps of Elephantes Indikoi for their ability to blitz settlements and cause fear on the battlefield. The last bit is a rather inefficient use of mnai, but at this point I've got more than enough to spare.
i really wish seleucids could train hoplitai haploi that would make my campaign so much easier. i really dont like theurophi, they need lvl 3 barracks to train
Check RV for, that, they can train them.
XSamatan
Seleucids cannot recruit Haploi which is annoying when invading Greece and Macedonia since they can't recruit Panda phalanx there either...Quote:
Originally Posted by XSamatan
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The state of the Epeirote empire, on the death of the Basileus, Ptolemaios Aiakides. He is succeeded by his son, the talented Pyrrichos, whose brilliant starting traits marked him out for kingship early.
A lot has happened since my last update. Expansion into Asia Minor saw the Seleukids, followed by the Hai and Pontikoi declare war on me (In that order). In Iberia, the destruction of the remaining Carthaginians led to to my gaining several colonies on the Mediterranean coast. After some time, I sent a small expedition force of Iberian troops led by an allied general into the interior. He managed to take the city, but was killed in a revolt immediately after. The town would revolt several times more, killing off a second recruited general and destroying the Type 4 government twice, until it rebelled against me and joined the Lusotannen, putting us at war. We had been entirely peaceful up until then, but upon the declaration of war they proceeded to send several stacks against me and nearly drove it out of the continent. It took several years for reinforcements from Sicily to arrive, by which time they had took one of my settlements and was besieging a second with a fullstack. After my armies arrived, however, their troops quickly melted away thanks to the combination of phalangitai and elephants.
In the east, I sent my faction leader to liberate the two Greek cities on the Crimea. It was around then that Hayasdan made the unwise decision of declaring war on me. I sent my faction leader after them, and with his army he single-handedly defeated around four or five fullstacks of Hai troops. Of course, most of them were levies, and I had the advantage of Scythian archers and a fortified position on a mountain.
In Asia minor, my troops quickly pushed the Seleukids out, after which I signed a brief peace treaty with them. The Ptolemaioi declared war at this point, invading through Africa, so I snapped up their city in Anatolia. Pontus declared war soon after, and after fighting off some of their sieges, I returned the favour. The climax of the war was the siege of Amaseia, which saw my levies grind down and destroy their Chalkaspides and Thorakitai after a long time and many losses. After the slow slaughter in the streets, I moved my troops into position and assaulted the town square and their few remaining troops, including their faction leader... And the battle timer ran out. Bam, I get ejected from the city without healing any losses, while they recovered half of theirs, including a 4 chevron Chalkaspide unit. I eventually sacked the town, however.
After that, the Seleukids declared war again, and proceeded to spam me with endless stacks of troops. I foolishly pushed on the Antiocheia, thinking it would cut off their recruitment options... But that simply opened a second front from which the Ptolemaioi invaded me. It is probably worth mentioning at this point that neither of them are at war with each other.
The game then descended into fullstack vs fullstack spam, as I ground more than ten fullstacks in Anatolia, on the walls of Antiocheia, and in the desert around Kyrene. I will not bother to describe them, since it would be exceedingly dull.
On the western front, I declared war on Arverni some time after all of Iberia had become nice and subdued, as they had been openly violating my territory by walking all around my land without military access. Furthermore, they had sent spies in order to incite my Iberian cities. This was interpreted as a sufficient justification for war.
And finally, at some point between these events, I invaded and destroyed the Getai, who had managed to conquer all the way up to Tanais. They actually managed to beat two of my fullstacks, destroying them. The only consolation was that both of them were auxillary armies, made up of native troops and mercenaries. When a proper Hellenic stack attacked them, they were annihilated, as non-phalanx infantry are wont to do when they rush to impale themselves on a row of pikes.
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Interestingly enough, I managed to get the trait 'Excelled in Spartan Agoge' for one of my family members this game. It was the first time I saw it, so I was pleasantly surprised.
Also, three more provinces and the Mediterranean is mine and mine only.
I'm currently defending my southeast borders from Aeudi and Roman attacks. Also I'm expanding my territories to the rest of the Gaul.
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238BC? Very nice and very slow expansion. I love the restraint.
Also, go pontus!
Very slow? :shy: I fought all battles, and I used same units in every battle to make them 9. level experience. I usually don't do such thing, I merge my all units after the battle. But I can't survive on VH/H with Arverni otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blxz
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At the beginning my economy was too weak, so I sieged Aedui's capital, then attack. In the siege my army faced a crushing defeat. After that Aedui's army left the capital to pursue my army, then I managed to defeat them in open ground. Then I could take the Aedui's capital. But in the VH/H difficulty AI armies easily spamming.
Time of Bondsman took place now. Which unit best for the Arverni? I used mostly Bataroas (Norther Gallic Swordsman). IMO, in the Massalia Keltohellenikoi Hoplitai looks good with better values.
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My Roman Empire at 220 BC. I am currently at war with the Lusotannan, Makedon and the Ptolemaioi. I have whiped out Carthage quite early, after that I turned my conquest to Greece where I destroyed Epeiros and Koinon Hellenon. Subsequently I invaded Gaul and destroyed the Averni, the Adeui are now my Vassal State. I have had a failed invasion into the Levant, I did conquer Cyprus and used it as a base of operation for naval warfare but my prope with 1 legion did not go as well as planned. I fought a few pyrrhic victories vs the Ptolemaioi armies there and had to retreat without any other succes. A similar invasion in Iberia allthough I managed to take two cities from the Lusotannan before I had to retreat via sea. Now I have my veteran legions from Gaul poring in and the onslaught has commenced!
A note on my armies, I have modded the Roman Army to have all infantry units at 240 at huge setting, this way every full stack army is roughly at full legion strength, I have also increased price and upkeep by 10%. Every province provides a legion and a auxilary legion. At this moment I have 5 Roman legions raised and 4 auxilary legions, I am recruiting the Gallic auxilary legion at this moment.
I couldve expanded much faster but i have been trying to keep a little bit historical accurate line of expansion, as you can see I have not been very succesful but it couldve been worse :P it is on VH/M
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This is my Pontic empire at 233. Slowish expansion, but this time not really intended. I had disbanded all my forces early on after taking Sinope to avoid going into massive debt. I had to truly beg AS to not attack me and I had to give them frequent sums of money to ensure this didnt happen. But after a while they got to greedy and attacked my anyway. I survived by a few tricks, ambushes and shameless exploiting of the AI inability to break a line of phalanx in a city street. However AS got weakened by the Ptolemaioi and I couldd profit from that. After I survived that things went pretty fast, I hired 2 gaesatae and trained 4 phalangitas and conquered most of minor Asia and broke Makedon and AS in the area. The Epirotes and KH kicked Makedon out of Greece so I now have them as a Vassal State after i broke their armies, they are my first line of defense against the Ptolemaioi which whom i am at war. I have also recently invaded Greece but I am now at peace with whats left of KH and with the Epirotes. Before that I also rescued the Bosphorus from the Sauromatae with whom I am at war as well.
Notable mentions, I have had a huge raiding party with scythian mercenaries through the Sauromatae area, sacking all their cities and running from all other combat. Those scythian mercs have also largely aided in invading and protecting Greece. Like I said, the gaesatae or actually tindanotae were my most valuable asset and they have been spearheading every major assault. And for anyone wondering what the Sweboz are doing in Asia Minor, i have given them that region as a buffer against first AS and now Ptolemaioi, works like a charm!
As for the AI there is a very interesting war going on in Iberia where the combined forces of Carthage and Lusotannan have repelled the Romans. But just a few turns after that the Lusotannan and Carthage went to war between themselves and now there is a 3way rape going on in that area that is really fun to keep track of. Sofar from 239 BC till 237 BC fpur famous battle markers have popped up all in favor of Carthage (2 battles won by Hasdrubal) vs the Lusotanan, who seem to be losing this war. Recently the Romans have regained control of Emporion to rejoin the battle for Iberia.
A very hard campaign at first, one of the hardest I have ever played. But I am cruising atm, with more tindanotae coming in from Galatia which i have upgraded to the highest barracks. Played at VH/M
In real life a legion has 4200 man in the average. But what is a legion size in the game?
I heard that, in the game, army size is 1/15 of real life army size. Is it true ratio? If not what is the true ratio? Also I wonder, in the EB one unit ship means a fleet. How many ships are there in one fleet?
Legions went from 4.500 to 6.000 (don't forget cavalry) depending on emergencies...
And it's quite wrong to consider a legion as a full stack...
With huge size settings 1/10 - 1/15 makes sense...
In EB the number in the ship units stands for the number of vessels, not men, so a single unit is already a very small fleet...
Thanks for the answer, so which one is better in representing; 1/10 or 1/15 ?Quote:
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Is the 1/15 ratio valid for the elephant size? If not what is the right ratio for elephants?
A fleet has 52 ships then, is its ratio 1/1 ?
The game wasn't really made thinking about a reasonable ratio...
With infantry and cavalry it works, but with certain units like elephants and chariots, it's just disproportionate...
Fleets, I wouldn't know, in history 200-240 triremes was your overall standard fleet...
For example with the treaty that ended the second punic war, Roma limited Qarthadast's fleet to 10 vessels...
So again you see, is quite difficult to come up with a ratio...
i have gone for a 1 on 1 ratio :P a full stack legion of mine contains about 4400 men. (1200 velites, 1200 hastati, 1200 principes, 720 triari, 100 cavalry + the general). The romans usually had the cavalry attached to the allied legions until the imperial times when they had the 900 alae. So for now every legion is supported with a full stack allied legion of differing sizes and make up.
I need these ratios in my Romani AAR. Approximate ratios are enough for me. May I ask the ratios of:Quote:
Originally Posted by Arjos
- Infantries and cavalries: 1/15 ?
- Elephants: 1/1 ?
- Chariots: ?
- Vessels: 1/1 ?
- City Population: 1/15 ?
An objective and valid answer doesn't exist...Quote:
Originally Posted by CanOmer
Not for all units anyway. Some eastern states used companies of men quantified in the decimal system, while I think the Romans used some...base 12 system? The number 480 comes to mind for some reason. So the ratios I believe vary depending on the unit sizes in the game and what you believe to be the actual quantitative division of men in the ancient armies in question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arjos
I have started the Europa Barbarorum Romanii succession game. Check it out here. Also, ignore the ahistorical title image and the general red theme - these are done as supportive art for the game and are not meant to be historical (nor could I find a historically sound image with legionnaires that did not have "segmentata" and were not dressed in crimson)
Any and all are welcome to join!
171 BCE, playing as the Arverni
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I've tried to play this one slowly-ish, for a Gallic campaign anyway. It's a long time since I started this campaign, but from what I remember (it's what I usually do anyway) I used my starting armies to take Bibracte, possibly also Avaricum early. Then waiting a while as the money slooowly trickles back, before kicking the Aedui out of Transalpine Gaul, but not defeating them. The unification of Gaul didn't come until even later than that, when the Lusotannans, emboldened by their complete conquest of Iberia moved up the western coast and finally attacking me. I kicked them out of Gaul and conquered as far as Emporion and Vellica. Emporion itself I gave complete autonomy, and they decided to join the Koinon Hellenon, whom I promptly allied with. I managed to gain a cease fire with the Lusotannans as well by offering them Vellica back, and they've honoured it so far. As such I haven't had any need for a large garrison there, relying instead of the natural border that the mountains make and the good people of Emporion to do their bit. To help them with this I supply them both with money and with men.
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About the same time as I pushed the Lusotannans out of Gaul the Sweboz crossed the Rhine and tried to take over my eastern holdings. After a long and arduous fight, I have now pushed them back over it, and am content at that. They still try crossing it now and again, but I keep pushing them back.
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Down in Cisalpine Gaul things are going back and forth. At first I used the Aedui as a buffer state, even going so far as taking a break in our feud to unite against the Romani. Despite this, they were eventually defeated by the Romans and I had to step in myself. I've had to fight off many a siege now, and with help from the Ligurians I've been able to hold on for now. Attrition rates are high, though.
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The eastern border is not much better. The local Celtic tribes have allied with the Romans and are coming at me in force, supplanted by Roman, Bastarnae, Scythian, Germanic as well as Illyrian support. (That's how I roleplay it - though it's Rome on paper, most of their units here are actually Celts.)
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Basically, I'm just playing defensively right now, taking a break from actively conquering places. I might make an exception for Ak-Ink, though, just to fulfill my promises to the Epeirotes... dead though they may be. :laugh4: