Tarot Mafia

Maple 4 nebjiamn, insomnia, Wisdom, Dolby
Wisdom 4 Gemma, ladd, grr, Enderwiggin
ladd 2 Montmorency, dyachei
Jan 1 theknightsofneeee
@dyachei thoughts?

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Originally Posted by ladd

From now, i may go afk any time. I strongly suggest killing wisdom


adieu (maybe)

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we're CFDing u tho

Oh shit, wrong link. @Dolby

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Originally Posted by dyachei

it just feels like we're sleep walking into a village miselim. Manti isn't your usual player and I urge you to read his recent games on MU at least. his playstyle is...enigmatic

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Find the game here where he went deep. I think that happened. Maybe 2021.

i wouldnt be surprised if the game is all upside down but i cant say i would know how or how much i'd even believe it.

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Originally Posted by grr

Maple 4 nebjiamn, insomnia, Wisdom, Dolby
Wisdom 4 Gemma, ladd, grr, Enderwiggin
ladd 2 Montmorency, dyachei
Jan 1 theknightsofneeee
@dyachei thoughts?

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@Sunbae you asked about legacies i dont wanna dig right now but I think all of the top 3 wagons at least would be endorsed by what the dead villas thot before they died so we're not completely off track when it comes to that (sheep was TRing wisdom I will say that). do u need anything more/specific?

TALLY #1079

Gemma 4 (Ladd, sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom, insomnia)
Syn 4 (Didistetter, ColonelLubriderm, Newcomb, dyachei)
Theknightsofneeee 3 (EnderWiggin, Raskolnikov, Gemma)
EnderWiggin 1 (nebjiamn)
Sunbae 1 (Jan)
sheepsaysmeep 1 (Syn)
Raskolnikov 1 (grr)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)
ColonelLubriderm 1 (Vanta Black)

TALLY #1170

Raskolnikov 4 (grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan, Montmorency)
Theknightsofneeee 4 (EnderWiggin, Raskolnikov, Gemma, Didistetter)
Gemma 4 (Ladd, sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom, insomnia)
Syn 3 (Newcomb, dyachei)
EnderWiggin 1 (nebjiamn)
sheepsaysmeep 1 (Syn)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)
ColonelLubriderm 1 (Vanta Black)

TALLY #1196

Syn 5 ( Newcomb, Gemma, Insomnia, Theknightsofneeee, Didistetter)
Raskolnikov 4 (grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan, Maple)
Gemma 3 (sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom, insomnia)
sheepsaysmeep 3 (Syn, dyachei, Ladd)
Theknightsofneeee 2 (EnderWiggin, Raskolnikov)
EnderWiggin 1 (nebjiamn)
ColonelLubriderm 1 (Vanta Black)


I think we have likely 2, less likely 3 mafia on the four wagons in Tally #1170. It's hard to believe the Rask wagon is pure, though it could be. It is almost certain that not all 4 non-Syn mafia are clustered among those wagons. Syn popped up as a flashwagon and was probably the only scum wagon.

When Maple voted Rask with minutes to spare, he may not have noticed that Syn's fate had been sealed in the previous minute by votes from knights and stetter. That alone is a pretty good reason to vote him, the last-minute swap to syn as the 7th vote notwithstanding. It makes me want to clear Gemma for a while.

ladd maintains that his EOD votes are special as a personal policy, and he limits himself to only one. It's remarkable that he chose his EOD vote on p40, with minutes to spare, as a switch from Gemma to sheep, a non-competitive wagon that was basically just a syn vanity wagon all day. His motivation was for "fun", but it came a minute after dya moved from syn to sheep. If it's not an outright saving attempt, I believe it was an antispew avoiding being associated with the main wagons, while still muddying the waters. Sheep wasn't there defending himself, unlike Gemma. The tally thus became:

Players Votes #1177

Raskolnikov 4 (grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan, Montmorency)
Theknightsofneeee 3 (EnderWiggin, Raskolnikov, Didistetter)
Gemma 3 (sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom, insomnia)
sheepsaysmeep 3 (Syn, dyachei, Ladd)
Syn 2 (Newcomb, Gemma)
EnderWiggin 1 (nebjiamn)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)
ColonelLubriderm 1 (Vanta Black)

Maybe the team is just among ladd-ender-Maple-Wisdom-X. But if Wisdom is town, you can't clear Gemma. Gemma is only lockclear if Wisdom is scum.

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Originally Posted by grr

i wouldnt be surprised if the game is all upside down but i cant say i would know how or how much i'd even believe it.

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So you are daying yiu are a wolf?

:curtain:

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Synchronization :14.

Coordination.



That's a wrap.



Cool thoughts though.



Honestly could very well be town.

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Feel like ladd is kinda not w/w with Ender and Knights from a quote within this Monty.

in retro wrt Enders "sunbae started the wagon on me without voting" I think I was tunneled and I think that post from Ender is fine and honestly has v energy

as for the posts idk I think they are fine and tbh I just don't think that Ender says "lol I'm mindmelding with ladd" if they are teammates

I think I have 8 posts left after this

I've said what there is to say.

It's hard to figure out which wolves are trying to push me over, sort them from villagers, which is annoying. But I imagine wolves *want* me to go over here, either way.

Syn D1 ISO

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

P1: Fluff opening, TRed by Gemma. Colonel (CL) susses Gemma for finding Syn's post townier than stetter's.

P2: Syn jokingly SRs CL for posting too much.

P3: Knights trending Syn down for being against CL, still g2h town.

P4: Jan: "The syn villa reads are weird. Syn will be readable and there is no reason to force it this early."

P5: Wisdom shares a song with Syn. Syn responds to Jan from P4 by claiming to be mysterious and unreadable. Syn calls Maple based for SRing sheep off "6 words." Syn asks Wisdom what tapioca is.

P6: Syn discusses song with Wisdom, who tells them about tapioca. Syn wants to vote Sleep, not Sheep (Insomnia?). Gemma banters with Syn over his indirect Maple-Sheep read. Arctic finds Wisdom's music-post directed at Syn "kinda wrong." Rask kinda agrees with Syn about CL SR,

wants to kill CL and Vanta, locks Syn town.

P7: Arctic interrogates Rask over Syn, asks about meta. Rask explains that Syn should be direct and aggressive, elaborates on his own CL and Vanta SLs.

P9: Rask finds Syn OK for now. Newcomb can hardly believe Syn has posted, he's so UTR.

P10: Wisdom hedges on Syn, asks Rask for advice: "I'm a bit worried about Syn's approach to the game but I think his "threadstate is pure" post shows a towny mindset." Newcomb asks ladd whom he would dayvig, ladd suggests Syn to be "boring" (sounds like PIS, as this is ladd's first-ever comment on Syn). Ladd goes on to clarify he's not convinced Syn is scum, understands why Rask TRs them, but offers a Syn post that "was out of character for their villa self, but I am not sure how serious it is."

P11: Ladd explains to knights why he dislikes his syn read and its relationship to CL alignment. Knights justifies himself.

P12: Syn continues bantering with Wisdom and Gemma about tapioca.

P13: Wisdom wants to sus Syn for seeming happy, but will sheep Rask's read. Syn calls Jan "wolf" over a post about Superman and Batman. Syn calls Rask's never-rescind TR on him "suspiciously early." Disagrees with Ender's sus on Gemma because she is "very niceys." Wisdom is disappointed with Rask's lack of wim, but finds it towny because Rask didn't want to rand mafia and as mafia he would pretend to have wim; Syn responds with "?????????." Syn locks Newcomb town over some post. Reacting to ladd's musing that he would dayvig syn, syn reacts with "wtf man." Syn banters with Wisdom, says he should take back the principle that "it's okay to be wrong D1." Syn fluffs about neb using Mass Effect copypasta before he did. Syn votes sheep. Syn posts a leans list that leaves out hally (ladd) and monty, even though syn had just replied to a ladd post.

P14: Newcomb calls syn's list a "wild ass list" and "a breath of fresh air." Syn realizes he didn't have a lean on ladd and says "oh shit ladd lmao they go in idk fine I guess maybe I should hate them for wanting to shoot me though." Syn fluffs over Wisdom posting a comedy video. Jan leans Syn a high Tier 2.

P15: Rask discusses his town read of Syn and maintains it, although very slightly weaker. Maple shades grr, asks for help, Rask offers some thoughts, Maple thinks grr should have responded to syn and jan's leans lists and evaluated their midsections, concluding that grr is scum.

P17: CL wants to oust outside 11 players (and "maybe ladd too"), with Syn in the middle of the

pack.

P18: Syn reacts to Rask's meta post on him with "m e t a", leading to banter (including "can I be a wolf please please please please please please please please"). In the context of dya telling knights her own interaction with ladd was fine, syn asks her if she would ever admit otherwise, which she avers. Dyachei admits to being pocketed by sunbae; syn asks if he can pocket her as well. Syn banters with CL about wall posts and D1 consensuses.

P19: Syn thinks it's just silly that dya claims she can admit when she has a problematic interaction. Arctic analyzes syn, finds him strange, but is willing to sheep Rask either way for now.

P20: Arctic has 6 TRs with Syn at the bottom.

P21: Dya has Syn among many nulls.

P22: Gemma has Syn as a fairly-high town.

P23: Sheep can't categorize Syn.

P24: Wisdom has Syn among her least-confident TRs.

P27: Gemma tries to banter with Ender about something with the word "unironically", realizes it was Syn who used it previously on p6 (although she had bantered with Syn over that very post).

P28: CL pulls up quotes to justify voting Wisdom, including two from Wisdom and one from Jan, each of which mentions Syn.

P29: Stetter asks Syn for an update.

P31: Sunbae asks for thoughts on didistetter, wisdom, and syn; syn had a good post but she would like something more solid. Jan replies that Syn is within town range. Sheep responds to this post but only on stetter. For grr, Syn is an "absolute blank."

P32: CL responds to the Sunbae post but only about Wisdom, whom he admits he already discussed. Dya hedges on Syn but gth town. Maple has no read on Syn for Sunbae.

[EOD]

P33: CL still can't get over Gemma thinking Syn's opening is townier than stett's. Newcomb read on Syn: "reasons to v read them probably shouldn't cut it at this point." Arctic has the impression that syn doesn't care as either alignment. Dya agrees but thinks syn could easily be mafia. Arctic is pinged by Sunbae putting stett in the same group as Wisdom and Syn of UTR people who need more attention, thinks a villa should be more discerning. Ladd on syn: "i forgot syn, they are in the ender/sheep tier."

P34: Arctic wants either syn or Jan to round out his towncore, prefers jan. Maple has a reads post but "no read" on Syn, Monty, and Cobalt/Dobby. Stetter asks Arctic for more perspective on ladd, insomnia, CL, dyachei, and syn. Stett has reads, finds vanta and syn less towny than he would like based on past games.

P35: Newcomb underwhelmed by Syn, considering voting them. Ladd offers meta on Syn, finding

him sus but inconclusive. Ladd shades sheep, promises to skim Syn ISO. ladd [cut...] Stetter initiates the Syn wagon (ladd > syn), likes that choice better than gemma or knights. CL follows suit (knights > syn), though his vote format will be corrected soon. [In retrospect, CL had a good orientation toward the Syn wagon EOD, despite the ultimate Rask switch.]

P36: Newcomb sheeps stetter on syn (Wisdom > Syn). Dya notes the current main wagons gemma and knights are always scummy in play, so reconsiders on syn and votes Ender > syn.

P37: ladd calls dya's latest post on vote logic and voting syn villagery. Arctic offers more meta on syn, which stett finds stressful. ladd agrees with Arctic that syn's play here is better than in another game, but hasn't really presented an organic worldview yet; ladd digresses to asking the thread about sheep. Ender is getting the eepies from the EOD Syn CW. Newcomb tells him to do something about it. Ender responds: "I mean my defense is "Rask has been catching Syn for months on D1 and has them as a townread" and that just feels bad as a defense." Monty likes the composition of the syn wagon, but is discouraged by the prospect of a rask godread on syn. Jan tells ladd to judge syn on snarkiness, being more so as scum. Based on meta, jan would kill Rask before syn. Jan is unconfident but curious about a syn-rask-Wisdom team. Arctic doesn't know what to do if syn is intermediate to their town and scum meta currently.

P38: Newcomb wants to stick with his syn vote, based on his ISO rather than meta, but is OK with either knights or syn.

P39: Knights will evaluate Rask and syn and compare to the gemma POE. Insomnia would vote knights over gemma, can't remember anything about syn. Gemma doesn't think knights is scummier than Rask and Syn.

P40: Grr doesn't know what to do with Syn. Gemma makes Syn a wagon with Knights > Syn

after I tie Rask with her. Arctic tinfoils Syn-Rask, could vote for Syn. Knights' skim puts Rask as towny, Syn as null to lean-scum. Insomnia would also vote Syn over Rask, despite not having read the former. Ladd votes Gemma > sheep "for fun", thinks Rask OK, is OK with Syn dying, mentions that Rask softened on his Syn TR over time. Insomnia Gemma > Syn, despite not having read Syn. Jan reposts Rask's last Syn read, which still approved but suggested a sheep-syn tinfoil (not out of the question); ladd questions Jan's vote on Rask. Knights Gemma > Syn but might return to Gemma (Arctic is confused). Stetter Knights > Syn. Rask is currently the only viable CW to Syn, and Maple votes Rask for "wagons or something." Jan responds to questions about Rask vote by using wagonomics: "it can be w/w or w/v with rask w.in either world voting rask is better."

P41: Arctic finally votes, on Syn. Probably looks good given his steady process on Syn (engaging with Rask's reads, eventually coming around on his own perceptions). Maple piles onto Syn as 7th vote with a minute to god; no credit.

D1 vote history



To refer to other comments I've made, I believe it is applicable meta of ladd in this case to lay weak or unfocused FOS on specifically UTR/LHF partners in order to establish distancing. I don't believe ladd is mafia merely because he's had hedgy reads. Instead, I think ladd spent EOD 1 trying to shield m-syn while avoiding any commitments, after having already spent D1 looking like he was doing classic distancing with syn in their very limited interactions. Nothing D2 altered the picture. Ladd's final vote, his one EOD vote, on sheep in the last 7 minutes, makes the most sense if nefarious. I sympathize with other people's accounts of dissatisfaction with ladd's posting.

It remains incredible to me that both of them, having recently interacted with one another, gave full leans/reads lists, each listing every player but the other of the two. Maybe it's just a derp coincidence, but I believe the mafia team were well aware of syn's precarious D1 meta and were making an effort to avoid superficial associations.

That's all I'm going to say about ladd, or probably anyone, until tomorrow.

Only played one game with Gemma ever but they're like p different here so if you'd ask me to place a wager i'd say wolf? They said they tried harder there I think but um, i mean they repost comprehensive readslist every once in a while here so it doesn't feel like they arent trying hard. I have not really looked into them in detail tbh. Mostly tried to figure out Wisdom today.

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Originally Posted by Dolby

Feel like ladd is kinda not w/w with Ender and Knights from a quote within this Monty.

in retro wrt Enders "sunbae started the wagon on me without voting" I think I was tunneled and I think that post from Ender is fine and honestly has v energy

as for the posts idk I think they are fine and tbh I just don't think that Ender says "lol I'm mindmelding with ladd" if they are teammates

I think I have 8 posts left after this

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So, no coordination from ninjaing each other on pressuring knights? Eh, I guess it could be too pre-flippy.

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Originally Posted by ladd

So you are daying yiu are a wolf?

:curtain:

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no im saying that i wouldnt be surprised if. uh. like the people no one cares about like jan dolby gemma or whomstthefuck are wolves ig.

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Originally Posted by Maple

I've said what there is to say.

It's hard to figure out which wolves are trying to push me over, sort them from villagers, which is annoying. But I imagine wolves *want* me to go over here, either way.

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you'll rightfully hate this post if you are a villager but i am ngl some of your posts almost make me think you are trying to die on purpose

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Originally Posted by grr

no im saying that i wouldnt be surprised if. uh. like the people no one cares about like jan dolby gemma or whomstthefuck are wolves ig.

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If you want to solve Gemma, the priority should be flipping Wisdom.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

So, no coordination from ninjaing each other on pressuring knights? Eh, I guess it could be too pre-flippy.

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so let me get this straight you think we coordinated in wolf chat to ask knights the same question


like really? why would we?

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Originally Posted by grr

no im saying that i wouldnt be surprised if. uh. like the people no one cares about like jan dolby gemma or whomstthefuck are wolves ig.

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this whomsttefuck gui does seem pretty wolfy

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Originally Posted by grr

Only played one game with Gemma ever but they're like p different here so if you'd ask me to place a wager i'd say wolf? They said they tried harder there I think but um, i mean they repost comprehensive readslist every once in a while here so it doesn't feel like they arent trying hard. I have not really looked into them in detail tbh. Mostly tried to figure out Wisdom today.

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I am fairly confident gemma is villa.
I have nothing to quote on the matter.

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Originally Posted by Jan

I am fairly confident gemma is villa.
I have nothing to quote on the matter.

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yea i agree, i really dont think they are a wolf. I could villa case them if it came down to it probably, tho i already explained it somwhere iirc


22 or 23 posts left i think

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Originally Posted by ladd

you'll rightfully hate this post if you are a villager but i am ngl some of your posts almost make me think you are trying to die on purpose

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https://media1.tenor.com/m/mtkIhcU07...f-violence.gif

last thoughts:

i think if wisdom/maple are w/w, wisdom has the more useful power tonight. maple would def be able to post better here as a wolf to swing the lunch if need be

I find really hard to believe wisdom v and maple w worlds cause i really dont get what manti is doing here in this scenario

v/v we are probably fucked

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Originally Posted by Jan

I am fairly confident gemma is villa.
I have nothing to quote on the matter.

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not w/w with syn or something

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Originally Posted by ladd

last thoughts:

i think if wisdom/maple are w/w, wisdom has the more useful power tonight. maple would def be able to post better here as a wolf to swing the lunch if need be

I find really hard to believe wisdom v and maple w worlds cause i really dont get what manti is doing here in this scenario

v/v we are probably fucked

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yea i pondered that earlier. i think i was a bit thrown by how d2 played out and manti wanting one more day but that doesnt align with how they are playing today cause wisdom is like... trying and manti isnt?

if jan is real it shouldn't really matter since if they are w/w he can jail the other but im down to swap in case of shenanigans of some sort

im swamped at work so idk how realistic it is for me to make it back for eod again. sorry

vote: wisdom

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

yea i pondered that earlier. i think i was a bit thrown by how d2 played out and manti wanting one more day but that doesnt align with how they are playing today cause wisdom is like... trying and manti isnt?

if jan is real it shouldn't really matter since if they are w/w he can jail the other but im down to swap in case of shenanigans of some sort

im swamped at work so idk how realistic it is for me to make it back for eod again. sorry

vote: wisdom

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inb4 they are odd and even night vig respectively :curtain:

mont, no offense but your manti read means very little to me. You keep quoting a game that happened years ago and I've played more recent games with manti than that and have a wider array of games to sort meta from.

so you keep on thinking 1 game in 2021 is all the meta you need. I don't need to reread it. Manti might even be a wolf. But not for the reasons people are pushing him for.

vote: wisdom

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Originally Posted by ladd

last thoughts:

i think if wisdom/maple are w/w, wisdom has the more useful power tonight. maple would def be able to post better here as a wolf to swing the lunch if need be

I find really hard to believe wisdom v and maple w worlds cause i really dont get what manti is doing here in this scenario

v/v we are probably fucked

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maple is posting, wisdom isnt posting at all. i dont think maple is posting in a way that makes more people want to vote them? it's kinda lame but like, how do you even post if u want more votes, when your cw isnt around at all lol. surprised u are very confident wisdom is a wolf but havent found associatives or anything (and no i have no clue if you do that usually xD) ur assuming jan is real, you assumed you might be KPed, honestly kinda wondering where you legacy is for a w/v flip or whatever rofl. xD

grr on i think d1 you brought up the recent game where we were both wolves. Why havent you referenced it again to solve me in this position? When the situation w!me was in isn't *too* different.

We won that game off of me getting bussed, after all.

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Originally Posted by grr

surprised u are very confident wisdom is a wolf but havent found associatives or anything (and no i have no clue if you do that usually xD) ur assuming jan is real, you assumed you might be KPed, honestly kinda wondering where you legacy is for a w/v flip or whatever rofl. xD

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i doubt i am dying and if so my plan was to leave jan my legacy (tho I realize he will probably die tonight lol but at least we will have a fun chat)

my associative stop at "i'd kill knights after wisdom" atm

my legacy is this

dont kill until lylo - should be pure

ladd
insomnia
grr
gemma
jan
dya
dolby


leaning villa
ender - again plz make them claim tho. always a villager if knights w
vanta - should be v if wisdom w

PoE
monti - I see the villagery posting but also at some point u gotta punish people for posting dumb arguments and he has been pushing some truly nonsensical things
benneh
sunbae
maple

wolves

knights
wisdom



but idrc about people following my legacy, you guis can do what you want after I die. Those are simply my reads

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Originally Posted by ladd

so let me get this straight you think we coordinated in wolf chat to ask knights the same question


like really? why would we?

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Something to do. You're clearly serious about that knights setup.

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Originally Posted by dyachei

mont, no offense but your manti read means very little to me. You keep quoting a game that happened years ago and I've played more recent games with manti than that and have a wider array of games to sort meta from.

so you keep on thinking 1 game in 2021 is all the meta you need. I don't need to reread it. Manti might even be a wolf. But not for the reasons people are pushing him for.

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I feel like you have the wrong person. I'm not one of the drivers of the maple wagon.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Something to do. You're clearly serious about that knights setup.

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https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2l...oCLS/giphy.gif

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Originally Posted by ladd

i doubt i am dying and if so my plan was to leave jan my legacy (tho I realize he will probably die tonight lol but at least we will have a fun chat)

my associative stop at "i'd kill knights after wisdom" atm

my legacy is this

dont kill until lylo - should be pure

ladd
insomnia
grr
gemma
jan
dya
dolby


leaning villa
ender - again plz make them claim tho. always a villager if knights w
vanta - should be v if wisdom w

PoE
monti - I see the villagery posting but also at some point u gotta punish people for posting dumb arguments and he has been pushing some truly nonsensical things
benneh
sunbae
maple

wolves

knights
wisdom



but idrc about people following my legacy, you guis can do what you want after I die. Those are simply my reads

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why would jan jail you if you dont think he is gonna kill u. i have never met monti nor heard of him, but gth him not caring about who dies today as long as you get nuked overnight felt pretty villagery to me rofl. as u said it seems like villagery posting.

vanta is probably just v. I can't see a wolf hedging their bets on my alignment right now. I think being this hesitant to do more than lean me v is villagery

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Originally Posted by Maple

grr on i think d1 you brought up the recent game where we were both wolves. Why havent you referenced it again to solve me in this position? When the situation w!me was in isn't *too* different.

We won that game off of me getting bussed, after all.

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@Maple

It was a 2hr phase when I was alr pretty tired (like now btw), just didn't pay much attention to remember much of it. On later days what I noticed is that you tried to be more serious have more... um... likeable? posts as you did as a villager, i registered that as a potential subtle tell. Now you roll in here and... qu
ite frankly you just post like a normal player and I have never seen that so I will just say I cant do any meta? lol

i gth think your posting is kinda villagery some of your posts your posts just seem kinda silly in a v way to me, but your claim is wtf its frying my brain. i am not voting u cuz i am voting someone who I think I can sort and I think they are a wolf based on what I explained earlier wrt to interactions with ladd.

but also you commited a war crime in saying you self-resolve and then dont so if u wanna force me to actually be true to myself i should vote u again lol.

(and also like, im sorry but literally every dead villager wanted u dead, i'd have to be super convinced to fight for anything here, and i'm not. i just think gth u flip villa and im like not gunna be surprised lol, thats my take, shrug)

the thing that is currently gnawing at me is that ben and ladd have been pretty much in lockstep today wrt wisdom. they both brought the same argument as to why wisdoms claim is fake (~Wisdom did it before on MU (why that info popped up rn for both at a similar time: no idea?)) and they're both explaining how wisdom is trying more (the last thing i disagree with cuz, as i said, wisdom aint even posting rofl), so. The fact they have a synchronised opinion on something I don't even see is weird af.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Something to do. You're clearly serious about that knights setup.



I feel like you have the wrong person. I'm not one of the drivers of the maple wagon.

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I hate this post

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Originally Posted by grr

the thing that is currently gnawing at me is that ben and ladd have been pretty much in lockstep today wrt wisdom. they both brought the same argument as to why wisdoms claim is fake (~Wisdom did it before on MU (why that info popped up rn for both at a similar time: no idea?)) and they're both explaining how wisdom is trying more (the last thing i disagree with cuz, as i said, wisdom aint even posting rofl), so. The fact they have a synchronised opinion on something I don't even see is weird af.

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it would be bad but if we think it outs the two of them then we hopefully still can turn it around?
I did not do numbers tbh.

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Originally Posted by Jan

it would be bad but if we think it outs the two of them then we hopefully still can turn it around?
I did not do numbers tbh.

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numbers actually become really prolematic close if we miss on both wisdom and maple.

i think the funniest thing that could have happened is if i was given bombhands causing arctic to die

imagine?

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Originally Posted by Maple

i think the funniest thing that could have happened is if i was given bombhands causing arctic to die

imagine?

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So. Something to think about for you. Why do you think two widely not-really-trusted slots ladd and benneh push to save you this day. I dont know your alignment but you do so I assume you should have a stronger opinion lol.

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Originally Posted by Jan

it would be bad but if we think it outs the two of them then we hopefully still can turn it around?
I did not do numbers tbh.

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:inquisitive:

i mean why do you even immediately think it'd make both of them outed?

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Originally Posted by grr

So. Something to think about for you. Why do you think two widely not-really-trusted slots ladd and benneh push to save you this day. I dont know your alignment but you do so I assume you should have a stronger opinion lol.

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just operating under the assumption theyre both v for this thought

ladd would save me because he knows me better than average and would have a bad feeling about the way my wagon is going and therefore want to resolve elsewhere first

ben im not sure, could be something similar or rather in the realm of "maple would try harder to not die as w in this position" which is probably true

that's my guess, anyway

if either are w, it's just saving me to be killed in a later day and not resolving me while we have a free ML today. that said, my role is unblockable so *ideally* if i live today, my role becoming confirmed gets people to turn around on my alignment, we'll see

something like that

frankly, in my position i can't afford to be *totally* reasonable

the people trying to kill me *must* be wolves, the people trying to save me *must* be villagers

Because that scenario is the only one in which i can *do* anything of substance. If that ends up not being the case, either I die or i have to deal with it later.

My position feels forced, in that way

all that said, most of my reads survive despite this sorta stuff, to be fair; the villgaers, i mean

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Originally Posted by dyachei

vanta is probably just v. I can't see a wolf hedging their bets on my alignment right now. I think being this hesitant to do more than lean me v is villagery

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players who mysteriously got elevated into v-tiers and I do not know why (frankly it might have been becuz I just MISSED it, but I felt I just remembered some "posted well" arguments that i didnt NECESSARILY understand):

Jan
Dolby
Gemma (Maple explained something about not w/w with syn but uh i didnt follow ig)

Player who gets townread by everyone for uhhh. idk what reasons but idgi: Sunbae (he himself complained about being nullread or something. yea sure that is fair enough, maybe he is just NULLbinned by everyone but it still solidly keeps him from dying lol. And yes he did some solving. I read it where I saw it (no idea how he became top poster tho cuz I barely remember his impact)

points of confusion. (this is something i could probably research alas its really tiring to do so here, unfortunately)

Maple who do you think are the wolves pushing you?

Who would you vote rn if given sole control?

Who do you think is most likely to just be wrong on you?

Im kinda just viewing your most recent posts as abstractions

Im assuming that ladd and benneh are both moving up from bottom section of your reads to townreads, what does this mean for the game, and wisdom who is basically in the lead right now?

I am especially interested in your take on wisdom

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Originally Posted by grr

:inquisitive:

i mean why do you even immediately think it'd make both of them outed?

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it doesn't but numbers and poe make it very likely.

plus I am assuming worst worlds in that construct anyway.

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Originally Posted by Maple

just operating under the assumption theyre both v for this thought

ladd would save me because he knows me better than average and would have a bad feeling about the way my wagon is going and therefore want to resolve elsewhere first

ben im not sure, could be something similar or rather in the realm of "maple would try harder to not die as w in this position" which is probably true

that's my guess, anyway

if either are w, it's just saving me to be killed in a later day and not resolving me while we have a free ML today. that said, my role is unblockable so *ideally* if i live today, my role becoming confirmed gets people to turn around on my alignment, we'll see

something like that

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eh ladd is just selling wisdom as confident wolf and didnt even really offer a read on you.
iirc correctly benneh is just saying you are both wolves (or something) and wisdom more important power which, uh. yeah idk. so like, if they are villas none of them would have been actually village reading u lol.

so ig if u are a villager the second option sounds even more likely considering theyre not really trying to save you as a VILLAGER, which means they will probably be back on your ass. but then as wolves, they should be kinda worried about your powerrole so im not sure if it completely makes sense either to keep you alive for a day, when wisdoms role would be doing nothing compared to yours.

sunbae did get nullbinned by me at least IH. thats kinda why sunbae is a slot of interest to me since me not scumreading Ender anymore means I have to find a fourth wolf

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just a fair warning: i am european. next hours till EoD are 11pm-3am. it's past my usual bedtime. I might be around then, *somewhat*. There is a heavy storm going on too rn so i need to look after some things.

Players Votes

Wisdom 6 (Gemma, Ladd, grr, EnderWiggin, nebjiamn, dyachei)
Maple 3 (insomnia, Wisdom, Dolby)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)
Ladd 1 (Montmorency)

Sorry about today's overall absence. Getting back from vacation both nuked more focus and stole more time than I expected.

Getting misyeeted here is the norm but I've been even more disconnected than usually this game, that's on me. I do think both Maple and Gemma are wolves but maybe I've been too stubborn on Gemma since I know her flipping wolf is the easiest way to town clear me.

Here’s my legacy, in case I die.

Town (0 wolves)
Dya

Town lean (0-1 wolves)
Jan
Dolby
Grr
Insomnia

No idea (0-2 wolves)
Benneh
Ender
Sunbae
Knights
Monte

Wolf lean (0-2 wolves)
Vanta
Ladd

Wolf lean (1-2 wolves)
Gemma
Maple

Stay hyped and hydrated, good night <3

And yes, two wolf lean categories were intentional. I'm more confident in Maple/Gemma than Vanta/Ladd.

speaking of 0-2 wolves in vanta

its probably pretty important that people commit to *some* kind of read on that slot today just so there's some accountability with the inevitable swaps to that player if theyre alive in a couple days

which they will be

Eh I guess this is worth a post

Wisdom what caused you to go from town to wolf on Vanta during N1, I know that you wrote about it but frankly it just wasn't convincing to me and I want to try to get more into your head. Why do you htink that Vanta is a wolf voting for Dya yesterday? Knowing that Dya/Rask are almost certainly town/3P, and mafia maybe had an inkling that Rask was more likely to be 3p than Dya, I think that Vanta's vote yesterday shows a distinct lack of agenda and is pretty towny

On Day two on two separate occassions you said that Maple was sus, but that seemed to correlate with when Maple was getting a lot of pressure in the thread, and was never enough to place them with me, Gemma or Vanta (who tbh I still think are all three town). Why was Maple's posting and claim being suspicious not enough to warrant that when you didn't really seem to have a concrete take on the slot?

You also said at one point yesterday that you were concerned that I was TMIing you v when I said that I felt that purely off of Syn spew you and Rask were likely v. Why did you feel that way?

5 posts left, probably wont respond

Vote: ladd

oh yeah that makes sense.

Vote: Wisdom

I will jail Maple and you can assume I will execute.

We will have a night talk of course but this is where I stand right now and big things need to happen for that to change. (actual hard confirmation that the village can comprehend even if I die).

vote: nebjiamn

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Originally Posted by Wisdom

And yes, two wolf lean categories were intentional. I'm more confident in Maple/Gemma than Vanta/Ladd.

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why maple btw. (i dont get vanta either but idc about that rn)

Vote: Ladd

want a second wagon, for the moment, that isn't Maple given Jan's action

VC after this vote is

Wisdom 6 (Gemma, Ladd, EnderWiggin, nebjiamn, dyachei, Jan)
Ladd 3 (Montmorency, grr, Dolby)
Maple 2 (insomnia, Wisdom)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)

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Players Votes

Wisdom 6 (Gemma, Ladd, EnderWiggin, nebjiamn, dyachei, Jan)
Ladd 3 (Montmorency, grr, Dolby)
Maple 2 (insomnia, Wisdom)
nebjiamn 1 (Sunbae)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)

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Originally Posted by Jan

Vote: Wisdom

I will jail Maple and you can assume I will execute.

We will have a night talk of course but this is where I stand right now and big things need to happen for that to change. (actual hard confirmation that the village can comprehend even if I die).

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Is your execute a "night action" or is it a delayed trigger of your day action

or rather

can you activate an ability on the same night that you execute?

If we both die tonight it'd be annoying.

i mean, its entirely possible we have a medic or something in which case they ideally save you, at least

Im currently at the following wolves (most likely to least likely)

ladd
gemma (paired btw)

benneh
maple

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only counterpoint i can give myself here is that its kinda too ez if it was literally all 4, but feel free to look into this.

like lets be real montmorency is villagery, knights "fell off" but was imo also villager idk maybe good wolf or something whatever?

if u iso gemma d1 no real reason to clear her, in fact kinda squint worthy even when u can obviously give her *some* cred for being on the right wagon but ladd's been confidently clearing her. also i believe him now he wanted to be offwagon but makes more sense when he's wolf with gemma considering the timing of his sheepvote :curtain:

idk something doesnt quite check out with the claims. what exactly was arctic. did we have 2 village kps? is dya really 1 shot or did they secretly shoot bopolis and didnt bother to tell us :curtain:

*ducks head in*

we still killing wisdom?

ok cool

bye

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Originally Posted by Maple

Is your execute a "night action" or is it a delayed trigger of your day action

or rather

can you activate an ability on the same night that you execute?

If we both die tonight it'd be annoying.

i mean, its entirely possible we have a medic or something in which case they ideally save you, at least

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I should be able to do both.

k well im locking in

any thoughts on which card to pick? im gonna try for something to keep you alive, that or a Sword and hope for a vigi

Hmm, I just had a thought. Now that I'm reversed, it isn't unthinkable that my cards are reversed too. I should pick a card that doesnt look like it has a bad reveral, probably.

hello hello hello

yes i have fallen off, wolf read me for it if you want I guess, i'll be honest that i'm not having the most fun playing 48/24 in general, but last EOD was pretty fun/realtime interaction'y so I just kinda wanted to EOD post again

if thats wolfy to you guys, so be it

haven't read the last 8 or so pages so i'm gonna skim those super quick



for the most part my stances haven't super changed, I think i'm probably more firm on sunbae=villa than I was at SOD, and i think i got there on not worrying about jan right now because he'll probably be outed in a day or two if his 'inverted role' doesn't have any results

plus with arctic dead, on the off chance that he is villa kp atm, we probably want to avoid him anyways.

still think he's wolfy but i've been wrong before, and my wolf read on jan maybe lines up a bit too cleanly.



i'm looking at ladd ATM, i think his treatment of me today feels like a wolf looking for someone to push, especially juxtaposed to sunbae who hard cleared me for day 1, and its night and day.

that combined with his day 1 pushes and vote at EOD, plus didi dying over him (for instance, no shade to didi, but if I was a wolf I would 100% put kp on villa!ladd over didi, regardless of how villa read didi was) i'm decently confident thats a hit.

k i selected the card that I think flavour-wise should be best for this situation

we'll see how it goes lol

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Originally Posted by Maple

k i selected the card that I think flavour-wise should be best for this situation

we'll see how it goes lol

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69 of wands?

agree

I don't think I die in the w!jan world at least, so that's pretty poggers if you ask me

can someone ELI5 why maple is a wolf?

i know the arctic stuff, but like.

I think they have been getting pushed from essentially everyone but me today, and perhaps i'm just out of touch or missing something obvious

but afaik he claimed he was inverted (before he claimed a role), claimed he was self resolving, claimed he used his ability on arctic and arctic died.




the one thing I could see as a reason for maple is that I know he is very much someone who role hunts villagers, and arctic dying after soft claiming vig (as well as him using his ability on arctic) seems a bit convenient

but I don't see anything necessarily outting wrt his role.




i'm open to being wrong on this, because most of my villa read on maple comes from day 1 stuff, but i'd love a case to munch on

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Originally Posted by Gemma

69 of wands?

agree

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we call it my Queen of Wands

she's a real beauty

vote: ladd

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Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee

vote: ladd

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why etc

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Yeah I have something insomnia.

let me show u the entire Wisdom progression on ladd here:









































(this one is my favorite so i made it bigger)





Here's the thing. I think Wisdom is a wolf who decided to not bus this game (a bird whispered to me once she generally decides pregame if she wants to bus or not and then sticks with it. i have seen this once myself). She is pretty stuck with their solving because of that, she needs to protect her wolfpals which is why her reads have pretty strange focus either on slots that gonna resolve soon anyway like Rask or Maple, or on slots that are pretty much dead-ends to sus into, stetter and me. recently she is kinda distancing from ladd but also still somewhat reluctant on it because she is the one who wants to end up being bussed, not vice versa.

thots? @insomnia

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Originally Posted by grr

While I am at it.

Wisdoms progression on Sunbae:




































(btw now that i come across this just saying my handling of rask was actually villagery af its clear i was confused about getting my top townread in a CC from someone who shouldnt be a wolf by how the claim went down and then decided to be convinced he is a wolf him after he made the wolfiest post in the entire thread, which shows i have no TMI and read also him exactly like what he was: a serial killer (probably). also makes no sense for me as wolf to push him there cuz if i was a wolf rask is a villa who announced to kill a (likely? dunno) villa tonight).










I have. less to say about this except it also fits the same pattern as with ladd without having a post that struck me as mega pingy. However her tossing sunbae and knights and sunbae and insomnia in bins kinda seems, weird to me as first of all they arent similar at all and second of all it just kinda feels like it's conceiling spew to me. (btw the "knights towny but not unfakeable" rubbed me the wrong in general its kind of half of a vanity thing ig cuz people are obv free to not share every read i make i just didnt like my TR there to be shot down that way.). I dont think Sunbae ever answered Wisdom about prodding about the no-voting and she forgot about it lol (which is also not damning god knows all the shit i forgot to follow up on in this game just a thing i noticed)

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these both read as super villagery solving to me

very thorough and i can feel the way that grr is coming to these reads feels super genuine

not touching grrr

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Originally Posted by grr

Im currently at the following wolves (most likely to least likely)

ladd
gemma (paired btw)

benneh
maple

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only counterpoint i can give myself here is that its kinda too ez if it was literally all 4, but feel free to look into this.

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I can't see ladd/gemma, and I kinda can't see gemma paired with anyone.

vote: Maple

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Originally Posted by grr

Yeah I have something insomnia.

let me show u the entire Wisdom progression on ladd here:









































(this one is my favorite so i made it bigger)





Here's the thing. I think Wisdom is a wolf who decided to not bus this game (a bird whispered to me once she generally decides pregame if she wants to bus or not and then sticks with it. i have seen this once myself). She is pretty stuck with their solving because of that, she needs to protect her wolfpals which is why her reads have pretty strange focus either on slots that gonna resolve soon anyway like Rask or Maple, or on slots that are pretty much dead-ends to sus into, stetter and me. recently she is kinda distancing from ladd but also still somewhat reluctant on it because she is the one who wants to end up being bussed, not vice versa.

thots? @insomnia

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Originally Posted by grr

While I am at it.

Wisdoms progression on Sunbae:




































(btw now that i come across this just saying my handling of rask was actually villagery af its clear i was confused about getting my top townread in a CC from someone who shouldnt be a wolf by how the claim went down and then decided to be convinced he is a wolf him after he made the wolfiest post in the entire thread, which shows i have no TMI and read also him exactly like what he was: a serial killer (probably). also makes no sense for me as wolf to push him there cuz if i was a wolf rask is a villa who announced to kill a (likely? dunno) villa tonight).










I have. less to say about this except it also fits the same pattern as with ladd without having a post that struck me as mega pingy. However her tossing sunbae and knights and sunbae and insomnia in bins kinda seems, weird to me as first of all they arent similar at all and second of all it just kinda feels like it's conceiling spew to me. (btw the "knights towny but not unfakeable" rubbed me the wrong in general its kind of half of a vanity thing ig cuz people are obv free to not share every read i make i just didnt like my TR there to be shot down that way.). I dont think Sunbae ever answered Wisdom about prodding about the no-voting and she forgot about it lol (which is also not damning god knows all the shit i forgot to follow up on in this game just a thing i noticed)

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why etc

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just said a couple posts above

but think his soft shading of me today which essentially amounted to 'knights is lacking' feels copout'y, and i'm halfway ruling him.

well

we're going into an extremely ominous night here, it feels like

in the worst case, Wisdom and I are both dying and flipping v, so we're looking at what -- 5 v deaths, down to 7-3, w/ forced to hit KP or lose? That's pretty bad lol

I think it was *probably* optimal to massclaim today in hindsight, but you know how it is. Ideally this isn't what happens lol

The claims are like

Dya, Ender, Jan, (me and wisdom who are dying) am i forgetting anything?

So we'll see some number of other deaths in the night, probably Dya + whoever is the most scary off dayplay. Ben if he's village, gamma if we're getting dommed, jan if he's real.

Hmm

I guess the main takeaway is that we *should* read into whatever kills they make tonight. That we *really* need to be highly critical of the remaining PR claims outside of dya. I don't think we have any more info kills after these two, so we gotta be prepared to be on the back foot.

The game is in a pretty fucked state for me. Basically anyone *could* be a wolf here. Ladd and knights going at each other is a pretty bad omen, in that way. *ideally* one of them is a wolf, but i cant tell you which. I think Knights looks good of d1 and general vibes. I don't even know why the heck i think ladd is a villager, idk posting i guess? it sounds bad when i put it that way. But if there isn't, i guess cut the difference and look to see [what ender's claim is, ben, dolby, sunbae]. I think in the w!sunbae world wolves aren't *that* entrenched at least though? So ya know, that shouldn't be *too* awful lol

mm anyway

i don't know what else to say

jan is *presumably* killing me here, i hope we can have a nice chat and i hope the item i give him helps the village

if i *do* live to tomorrow, and I *do* start getting railroaded, well then yeah its pretty fucked i suppose, so killing me may be for the best, in either case

what am i missing?

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ok so someone explain to me why maple is a wolf and not just a villager fucking around like he does?

And no mont, your argument of he did this in a previous wolf game is lame because he's also done this in a previous village game

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cool i'm not the only one who thinks maple is just a villager here, not taking crazy pills