out of anything you could choose to wolfread me for, you chose me being a silly little guy
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I don't like this post, @Arctic
I want to see some more solving from you rather than recounting your dreams.
I had a dream that the Phillies won the World Series (I don't remember who hit the winning homer in Game 7 or who the MVP was, probably Bryce Harper) :dankpuff:
I wonder if arctic can go five posts without mentioning me
i love how you called me out for the self-meta re: not bussing in a way that gets me zero cred and you're doing the exact same thing here lol
why do you even wolfread me? idgi. you've pointed out the thing about self-meta and the post where i spoke about how the nightkill doesn't make it any more or less likely that syn was bussed, and neither of these things are actually wolfy if you think about them for more than 5 seconds
like i would normally not bother making posts like this but one of the places i keep fucking up in my reads is assuming that the people treating my slot awfully are just villagers sucking so i don't really engage with scumreads on me other than defending myself, so i'm trying to figure out whether you're just throwing shit around and it certainly does feel like that, and this is worsened by the fact i have no idea what your actual worldview is rn, so if you could drop a full readlist that would be helpful too
@Arctic is ender a scumread for you? It looks like you are dancing around it, without committing.
also circling back to this because I'm not gonna come up against the cap:
I straight up admitted to this at the very top of my long post lol
like, again, I just wanted to vibe out, though yes, not getting eliminated is also a major goal here. I would very much not like this game be referred to as "hey remember that one org game GH came back for where we mislunched him d4" three years down the line when we're reminiscing about it in MFF or wherever
I get that I'm in the POE because I didn't nail Syn and my Logic stance is obviously a POINT OF CONTROVERSY, that's just how the game goes some times, so I'm straight up hoping to tread water until the associatives go my way (if they even do; if not then I accept my fate and will at least do my best to provide a winning solve on my way out). if I didn't spell this out well enough in the previous post than I am now, lol
and ffs don't read into this post either, I could make this as either alignment just as I could the BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT exchange I had with dya last night. just take it at face value for god's sake
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thoughts on GH's big reads post:
wisdom read is wolf shaped, again doesn't really address posting in this game and references some anecdotes for meta that are easily talked about
dunno why he thinks my posts on syn are bad when he acknowledges later on that several people including him said the same thing about syn and it's perfectly reasonable for me to handle it how i did given i don't even know them + he's kinda ignoring the point hally made about my eod, so this read seems kinda uncharitable but maybe i'm biased
i don't really know what indicates ender's vote wasn't a bus - in fact the way he spoke about syn in the quote mentioned here actually gives me the creeps a bit
i didn't really find any of this post villagery
am i evil
yeah tbh i find his approach to the whole thing frustrating. not as in i’m personally frustrated at him for it, more so like it makes the game harder to parse for us for seemingly no reason. myself and others who he thinks are villagers have raised what i think are clearly legitimate concerns over logic’s posting (regardless of what gh thinks logic’s alignment actually is) so i don’t understand why he wouldn’t want to help us get a better handle on the game by trying to clear up the issues that we have given logic is obviously a major point of contention
but i’m not really sure why he would choose to do this as a wolf regardless of logic’s alignment? ig if logic is v gh just thinks he has to read logic or people will start wondering but he also doesn’t actually want the suspicion to go away so he’s refusing to explain it? idk. or if he and logic are w/w he could avoid explaining the read so people can’t tell that it’s bs but i assume w!gh is more than capable of making something up that seems plausible enough and regardless of whether he explains it or not if logic flips wolf this game gh is getting punted into the sun immediately so he may as well try to defend him as a well as possible. so i don’t really get it regardless of gh’s alignment
yeah i don’t really get why that dichotomy exists for him either. afaict he was saying two wolves wouldn’t both push back on the syn wagon so one of them is town but i feel like two wolves could easily do that? it just seems arbitrary lolQuote:
further i still feel like his reads list is kinda whack. going through it a bit:
i don't really mind the idea that there is 1 wolf exactly in dya/visor but his posting isn't really convincing to me that this is an actual dichotomy for game state reasons but rather it feels like it serves him a purpose here. i think there is a chance he could be correct on dya, so i am not dismissing that, but i just don't get why he gets hung up on some of dya's points while maintaining the hesitance to wolf read visor here. (Note: i know GH responded to this already so i don't wanna go back into it, feel free to ignore the old points)
Like, I totally buy that he doesn't wanna fuck up a read on visor because they are good friends and that he is soured a bit on how zack and he ended before zack's death. i believe this to be true regardless of GH's alignment. but there's some dissonance with that too because GH and zack went at eachother a bit because of how GH was making reads, not because of accuracy or whatever. I don't think visor would be upset at GH for suspecting and potentially mislunching visor here unless GH started being an ass (which i obviously don't see happening). it just feels like a bit of an excuse to not push on visor when i think, of the two, based off current body of work, visor is clearly more wolfy
i caveat that with i can obviously see v!GH not being able to overcome feeling bad about potentially getting a friend wrong because its hard to control the heart etc.
the thing is though, visor is obviously getting lunched today so if he and gh are w/w, gh is dedicating time today to pushing dya when dya is not flipping before visor and gh set up a dichotomy by which he would have to stop pushing dya after visor flips, which wastes the push he’s making today. but ig he can always walk back the dichotomy thing and keep dya in his PoE anyway
yea i didn’t really like his read on me either. it felt kinda lazy. like i dunno, i think it’s true that i’ve mostly just been vibing but i think there’s still a lot of substance and critical evaluation in my posts that one could analyze and i feel like gh largely glossed over it. not that i am expecting him do a post by post analysis in that sort of wall but i still feel it left a lot to be desired. tbh when i read it i got this premonition that he is a wolf planting the seeds to mislunch me if the game gets hard lol. i often end up being alive for a long time in player lists like this despite being widely town read because i’m fairly content to mostly vibe and be a robin to the batmans of the thread that wolves end up killing before me and then i’m suddenly in F5 and wondering how i could be so bad that wolves let me live that long cupcakedog.gif and i’m scared he mapped out the game and realized i’m a push he might need to make down the line :no:Quote:
i think my larger issue with his reads list is two-fold:
a) i feel like the way he talked about me was more or less commentary and i don't really get the feeling there was curiosity about my alignment with how he presented the read on me. this is super self-centered i know and its really the only take away i had from the entire post because its all i remember from the explanations of reads. but I feel like his slotting of me into tinfoil town just sorta feels like what a wolf probably has to do (and same with hally)
i agree with the last part :curtain:Quote:
b) OK, let's say GH is correct about visor/dya having one. possibly even that one being dya. from what i can tell, he has excluded the other in this pair from being w/w, and so the assumption is that upon a wolf flip of, let's say, dya, visor should be clear-ish from how GH is currently viewing the game.
But like, again, i don't know why that dichotomy (and/or the lack of w/w possibilities) exists from his pov outside it just being, like gamestate POE? And again, if we go back to assuming 1 of them flips wolf, his POE is like, drastically thin after that? I don't know where GH goes from there if we flipped w!dya or w!visor today ... and maybe its a bit unfair to expect that level of read from him today, or specifically with that reads list, but it just kind of feels like the reads list was attuned to get through today and survive and then sort out what happens tomorrow when tomorrow comes and new narratives/POEs take shape.
those are concerns but not necessarily a read. hedgy i know but tl;dr i suck at werewolf don't ask me
I am being lazy!
I am being precisely as lazy as I think I can get away with
idk how many more times I need to say this for it to sink in, good lord
fwiw i’m not town reading jan suuuper hard (esp because according to ladd he is apparently a dirty busser)
but i do think he was pretty villagery D1 and in line with what i would expect out of him. not sure if this is a concern for you but his drop off today doesn’t really worry me cuz in the thing game we played together he was a villager and dropped off a lot as the game went on. i think he just has a hard time keeping up energy cuz he’s a boomer :curtain:
I am still confused why did you say you were not the first on visor villareads if dveryone came in the game wolfreading visor? Who said visor v before you?
Hally, i have never been great at reading well crafted wall. Ill say that i appreciate the effort and worldviee seems fine from villa gh pov but i think the correct tinfoil is jan not you/benneh (just my 2 cents tho)
I see nothing that makes dya/visor not w/w personally (tho i think visor w dya v is the most likely scenario easily) and i mean...visor is a wolf
Dont think game will be super easy after visor lunch, id take it 1 step at a time
Dont care for gemma soft
@gh tbh my main problem with you/logic is simply that zack died and thought you 2 were wolves. I know its a leading question if you are a villager but how do you reconcile him dying with you 2 being v/v? I think wolves would have killed murska of you/logic are v/v and they wanted to avoid killing in me/rask to dodge the doc
guise i can't explain it but i just believe vanta's posts, they just sound really honest to me lmao
also did GH just ignore the gemma PR soft and people saying it was probably a PR soft and voted her??? wat
okay wait he literally quoted hally saying it right afterwards then just ignored it
and visor just came in did nothing and left again
ok
benneh has nice thoughts on the GH reads list and jan weighinh in on the part about visor/zack kinda mirrors my thoughts there - i think it's something he could be aware of as either alignment and it's something he'd want to make a point of here even if he's mafia, like it's a great excuse to potentially let town!logic die today so as not to get on worse terms with zack, or to not murk the shit out of visor despite his posting being horrendous
and i agree the dichotomy is whack but also cuz i wasn't included in it even tho i did basically the same thing with handling syn and he even said i was wolfy for it, but dya/visor are the ones here instead
Nothing of what Jan's done this game has to do why he's in my PoE, it's just that I haven't really found anything I belive is town indicative for him. Same goes for all 5 in my PoE.
I have no plan on pushing Jan today anyway so I don't really wanna put my energy there. I'm quite set on going Visor or Gemma right now (Although Gemma's soft makes me wanna stay on Visor).
visor is too busy fighting a kangaroo or whatever he does all day to come in here and lolcat like a real wolf
disappointing
https://i.imgur.com/vms7Fmv_d.webp?m...fidelity=grand
guys i found him!
im gonna be highly disappointed in the game if all the wolves just didnt play
sure -- and i know / read that part of your post but i'm not strictly saying "you're being lazy do better" or anything -- i just think there's a chance this version of your posting is also because you're a wolf but i don't think i'm being unfair with how i'm talking to or about you? you're on the wolfier side of null for me but i wouldn't say you're anything close to lock wolf? I feel like that's conveyed in my post pretty clearly
honestly i don't really care about syn. i think a few people are clear from how they pushed (ladd and rask ldo) but aside from that i don't really care about how day 1 went down for the most part. to be a bit more clear, my read on you basically stems from how you've decided to engage with the game at the times you've decided to do so and i'm not particularly sold on how your POE shapes out beyond the dya/visor dichotomyQuote:
I get that I'm in the POE because I didn't nail Syn and my Logic stance is obviously a POINT OF CONTROVERSY, that's just how the game goes some times, so I'm straight up hoping to tread water until the associatives go my way (if they even do; if not then I accept my fate and will at least do my best to provide a winning solve on my way out). if I didn't spell this out well enough in the previous post than I am now, lol
but you might be 100% right! i'm not claiming to have a godread on the game state or anything. i just don't think i can reach a point at this time where i can reasonably feel good about comfortably v reading you against most of the other slots ITG even if your play is very much explainable by your desire to be chill. again, i just kinda hope i die and don't have to worry about it and ideally you self-resolve too and we can shitpost in dvc while arctic chokes in f3
ya i mean, i do, idk if that wasn't clear. idrt anything you've said re: benefit of the doubt/zack/visor/dya is anywhere close to polarizing or bad faith etcQuote:
and ffs don't read into this post either, I could make this as either alignment just as I could the BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT exchange I had with dya last night. just take it at face value for god's sake
more people should talk about ender imo
his posts today (in particular the arctic push) seem super fake
feel like he’s going UTR
can we maj tonight?
i'd love to see visor's flip tonight instead of waking up on a saturday
If gemma and murska are really town PRs then wolves kinda got fucked by this rand lmao
And in that case my new dartboard of a team would be gh/visor/ender
also benneh why did u use a different font for that last post