Why so aggresive CA? What is it on this page that makes you so agressive? Did Glenn say something you didn't like? I hope it's not the mention of the roles that make you act wierd is it?
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Why so aggresive CA? What is it on this page that makes you so agressive? Did Glenn say something you didn't like? I hope it's not the mention of the roles that make you act wierd is it?
Formerly known as Faisal and since you started the rudeness may I suggest that you better keep your mouth shut when you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about? :thumbsdown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Not only do you keep attacking certain townies here, you also start calling someone an imposter for using his actual name as a nickname... :juggle2:
Sorry, but that's pretty poor sport on your side IMO.
Umm . . . have you bothered reading the last 20 or so pages? These questions have all been dealt with in the thread in detail. Prole was under considerable suspicion, with luca and doctor being thrown around as the two possibilities for her protector. Her attacker seemed capable of attacking single-handedly and was repelled each night by a single defender. On N8 I believe, her defender managed to kill her attacker. Surgeons, unlike doctors and lucas, have a chance to not only successfully protect but also to kill an attacker, so it fits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Of course the other possibility is that the attacker was a lone townie (as a single townie has a chance of dying in a lone attack). However, I'd be very interested to see what circumstances induced a townie to attack the same individual alone several nights in a row. It'd be suicidal. Also, I believe another player (CR?, Louis?) mentioned knowing the identity of Prole's protector and her role, and being determined to keep both secret. Overall, to me the evidence is against townie vs. luca and for special role vs. surgeon.
I think most of us haven't met anyone who claimed to be a doctor or surgeon. I suspect they'd prefer to keep their identities discreet, and don't know why they'd inform you.
As of N9, Prole was undefended against a new attacker. Perhaps her 'pet surgeon' just wanted to eliminate her attacker and has now moved on. I don't know. Anyhow, her behavior has been and continues to be analyzed very closely, thank you very much. You don't go 7 nights in a row being unsuccessfully attacked without drawing any attention.
Ajax
*raises hand*Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaxfetish
Uhm, I know I'm completely unimportant anyway etc. but that would be me...
There's a hint in the writeup, the attacker's buddy didn't show up so the attack failed anyway, I guess that's why there was no need for a protector to show up in the first place, the attack had pretty much failed before it even began...Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaxfetish
I'm sick of Glenn telling the town what to do while not doing anything at all, even remotely, useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moros
The ignore button is there for a reason, CA. And it's really useful.
Found it. Thanks for the idea :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
Not me. Probably some completely unimportant player mentioned it somewhere, don't remember. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AjaxFetish
The reason that suggests Proletariat was protected by a surgeon was Seamus write-up, which said: Proletariat was protected by a surgeon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Back when you were nearly lynched, a single defender sounded distinctly scummy. As it turned out, lots of people are 'protected' at night by luck, single person protections, landladies and what not. Taka, Beefy, confirmed townies - all were protected by Seamus' 'throw of the dice'. We have now learned that a protection is not a sign of a luca in this game.
What's more, contrary to what you state, Proletariat is not suspected, but is currently the only confirmed pro-town player in the game. Her escapes were not the result of a luca, but of a write-up-confirmed surgeon. Note also that on the night of the succesful surgeon defense, there was only a surgeon - if there was a luca, the write-up would've said two defenders. Nor was there a luca last night. That's two nights confirmed without a luca. So of all the players who turn up as 'innocent', Prole is the one least likely to be a covert Don. :smash:
Unless the Luca realized what was happening, figuring (correctly) that it would be safe to go off killing instead of protecting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
:grin:
Before this post begins, I add that the following paragraph was written solely because it seemed to me as though Husar was attacking my post because he though I misspelt the name of the leader of the Arab Revolt in 1917.
Silly billy goat Husar! You will note that in my post I asked if he was referring by that name to the historical figure! You aggressive, silly billy goat!
Oh, and, sorry.
Alrighty tighty, the dead are rather easy to satisfy.
Husar, you are rather rash also in assuming that, since I spelt your dear, "Faisal", as, "Feisal", that I don't know what in the blue dairy cream I am on about.
Then you will of course, open your mouth as I close mine, and tell me why Thomas Edward Shaw wrote a book of memoirs roughly 700 pages long, and within that book contantly wrote the delightful known, "Feisal"?
I should hope he knew the man's name correctly!
Now, I apologise for my apparent attack, I have been PMed twice.
It does not seem as though Leet is offended, however, it is a firm principle of mine to honour the memory of those historical figures whom I respect.
And people parading underneath the birthright of those figures usually galls against those principles.
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Away from the subject of the Arabs, and back to that of Proletariat.
I am satisfied enough, especially seeing as everyone seems to expect the dead to be analysing this for themselves!
I'll have ye know, I haven't much time, else I would of read the last twenty pages and discovered everything for myself!
If proletariat's surgeon killed the attacker, I care not, I'll leave it, but who was killed?
Eh, sorry, I was angry because of this part:
To me that sounds like a completely wrong accusation because you had no clue why Faisal chose that nick. If that's not what you meant, then I appologize. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Prole's defender killed Evil Maniac from Mars by the way.
And it seems that the other defender failed to show up.
'Twas an assumption, Husar, no matter! I could never picture anyone else named Faisal!
And are we all sure then that a player attacking a Don protected by a Luca has no chance of dying?
Nevermind, but as for Count Arachticus.
I gave information on two secret roles.
That is rather helpful, considering I am dead, and you are alive..
Some may say that such roles would unbalance the game, and thus not be included, but then, several people said that about several other private statements I made.
And those people were Mafia.
I help the town as much as possible in the ten minutes I appear for.
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One thing I didn't reply to, Ajaxfetish, you said you did not know why people would claim to be doctors or surgeons.
Why would it be any less dangerous or helpful, for a doctor to claim their role in order to be more helpful and trusted by a person in protection groups, than for a detective to claim their role in order to be more trusted and helpful in their opinion of the guilty and the innocent?
Did I lost something important or Seamus isnt showing up?
Maybe all the PM's aren't sent yet. What a long nite...
Seamus doesn't wait for late PMs. Probably just RL.
Post 2829, CR's execution scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius
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Originally Posted by Seamus
First off a doctor in a protection group is a waste, unless we have less than 3 townies left and everybody else is a doctor. But even then the doctor can protect alone without the danger of someone not sending their PM in or anything like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
And second, revealing in the thread would be pretty stupid because then the mafia would kill the doctor to prevent him from protecting people. Of course we could then protect the doctor but then we end up with doctors protecting doctors and everybody else dies. :dizzy2:
This is main thread post #2898
An important addendum is found in post #2903
“Running through this neverending night
lost in space and time, beyond the light…
Just dare a look behind you and you'll see
the one who can now save you is me
I guide you on this lonesome ride
and if you trust in me you'll see the light”
-- Lonewolf
Summary, Night Ten
LittleGrizzly breathed a sigh of relief. Tonight’s thunderstorm had a different “feel” to it. Maybe, at long last, they’d get a break from this weeks-long hot spell and go back to some regular summer weather. He patted his coat, making sure the automatic was there and paused to adjust the line of his armor-vest. With all of this gear now more or less required in Fatlington, he’d appreciate a spell of cooler weather for sure.
This first shot came from above and behind, ricocheting off the van he was standing behind. Grizz broke quickly, moving toward the shooter. A burst of heavy automatic fire hammered into the far side of the van, the spot to where most would have fled seeking cover from the opening shot.
<<Good guess,>> thought LittleGrizzly. <<Gotta keep moving.>>
Griz’ whipped out his handgun and ratcheted off 4 rounds at the group of windows where he guessed the first shooter was hidden. He jogged to the right to put a metal post between his back and the 2nd shooter, who was moving out from the far side of the van to line up another burst from what appeared to be a BAR. LittleGrizzly tossed a couple of rounds that way too – sometimes the best defense is a good offense. He missed.
The BAR man opened up – shooting controlled three-round bursts and keeping Griz’ on the move. Try as he might, the shooter couldn’t keep a bead on LittleGrizzly long enough to hit him. LittleGrizzly changed magazines on the run and hopped over a low cinderblock wall to get behind cover. The BAR hammered a few rounds into the blocks but couldn’t reach Griz’, who fired back more carefully this time, hammering down the BAR man with a torso shot.
<<Probably armored,>> thought LittleGrizzly. <<But, then again, so am I…>>
A new weapon spoke from the windows where the first shooter had started the drama, and these shots – from a .50 caliber M2 Browning heavy machine gun – tore through the cinderblocks and hammered into Griz’s arms and chest. Despite the wall and the armor, he was wounded and unconscious when the BAR man painfully walked over to him. A single head shot ended LittleGrizzly. A red rose was dropped on the corpse.
Cowhead418 knew he’d been lucky from the outset. After dodging death just after the formation of the Committee, he’d been left in comparative quiet. Even so, he carefully looked around as he exited his favorite Tappy – caution was always called for these days. There was nobody around.
He’d only taken two steps when all 4 cars parked near that corner seemed to explode at him. Actually, large blocks of plastic explosive had been taped inside the doors of those cars where they faced the taproom door. The effect was as though 4 gigantic grenades had been placed in a semicircular arc in front of Cowhead. He was torn to ribbons by the gigantic pieces of shrapnel and a dozen patrons at the bar were injured as the door, windows, chunks of car door and a few pieces of Cowhead418 were driven into the bar itself by the force of the explosion. Two others died from their wounds along with Cowhead418.
The firefighters and police who responded moments later were surprised to find a large banner with a message in Gothic script draped between two windows above the shattered bar. The message read: “il destino è inesorabile.”
Ichigo met his destiny while driving towards a late-night coffee shop. The car in front of him slammed on its brakes, causing him to slam into the car despite his quick reactions. Then the following vehicle hit him from behind, sandwiching his vehicle and keeping it completely immobilized.
Ichigo was already trying kick open one of the bent doors when the firepower began. Tommy guns, shotguns, even a Garand hammered at Ichigo and his car from at least four directions. Rounds found their way through the doors and windows and, eventually, through Ichigo as well. Despite the body armor and the reinforcing on the doors, Ichigo was wounded more than 30 times and bled out before help could arrive. Investigators later counted more than 400 bullet holes in the vehicle – not counting the ones that went through the glass.
Only one thing marred the “normality” of the scene. Sometime during the accident or the shooting – whether because it had been opened or because the trunk latch had been shot apart – the trunk of the car that Ichigo had hit had popped open. Inside was a banner with a short message: “Sorry, buddy.” Nobody could explain this.
At four A.M., Elite Ferret was soundly asleep when his apartment door was rent in two by some kind of axe. At least that was what Elite thought it sounded like as he shot bolt upright in bed and cracked his head on the headboard. Shouts were erupting from all of the apartments on that floor.
Ferret was reaching for his revolver in the bedside table when some kind of thin blade sliced down and through the upper half of his bedroom door. Ferret leapt out of bed and went to the window as a second slash tore off the top corner of the door. The window was open and Ferret starting to climb through when a heavy boot kicked the weakened door off its hinges. Ferret looked at the figure in the doorway.
Below the full facemask was a high-collared black coat with a silver sword-pin on the left collar point. In the hands of this figure was some kind of sword on a long wooden handle.
<<A glaive?>> thought Ferret, fixating on the deadly blade.
The ashenderei swung out, reaching for Elite Ferret, who dropped his grip on the window and fell the 20 feet to the bushes below rather than test the blade’s sharpness. He landed well, without breaking or spraining anything, and quickly made his way to the nearest police precinct. The officers did not believe his story until people in the nearby apartments confirmed it. Nobody had tried to stop the bladesman as he made his exit. Go figure.
Proletariat…
….slept soundly after a good dinner. She awoke better rested than she had in many a day.
Morning Meeting, Day Eleven.
“…and so that’s what we know happened last night,” concluded Chief Fermanagh.
“Now, for the results on those who died during this fight.” He paused again, and smiled -- dimples appearing on his round cheeks.
“You’ve done great work so far. Your lynch victim of Day Eight – Sigurd Fafnesbane – has been proven to have been one of the Dons of a local crime family! Well Done! Moreover, either vigilantes working for the town or scum killing off one another managed to take out more mafia! Makanyane was a mafia Luca and both Sarathos and Tran were WiseGuys rumored to have been part of mafia killing teams. If we could determine who was working with what family, it would be easier to sort things out, but all-in-all Fatlington won big that night. Keep up the good work!”
JimBob gave the group one of his rare smiles and then began to review the procedures.
OOC
See addendum of information in #2903.
Lynch Voting and Director Selection both for Day 11. This phase will conclude at 0900 EST on 4 March 2008 (1400 GMT).
Thanks for your patience with me on the long weekend session. The “neverending night” jibe as aimed at your host.
List of Players
Still Alive: (27) Brave Sir Robin, Caeser the III, Caius, Charge, CountArach, Craterus, Draco Leman, Elite Ferret, gibsonsg91921, Ironside, JimBob, Joe Monks, Jubal_Barca, Kagemusha, KukriKhan, Leet Erikson, Myrrdraal, norwegian nerd, Proletariat, Sasaki Kojiro, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Twilightblade, Warluster, Xehh II.
Attacked: (33) Andres (N2, N3), Beefy187 (N1), Brave Sir Robin (N7), Caius (N3), Charge (N9), Craterus (N6), Crazed Rabbit (N6), Cowhead418 (N2), Elite Ferret (N10), Evil_Maniac from Mars (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N2, N3), Glenn (N1, N2), Ichigo (N9), Kagemusha (N6), Proletariat (N4, N4, N5, N6, N7, N8, N9), Sasaki Kojiro (N5, N7), taka (N2), Tran (N5, N7, N8), TinCow (N7), Twilightblade (N4, N5), Xdeathfire (N1)
Murdered: (30) Drisos (N1), Lord Winter (N2), Beefy187 (N3), Glenn (N3), Pannonian (N3), taka (N3), The Stranger (N3), Zorg (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N4), Kommodus (N4), Moros (N4), Xiahou (N4), Chimpyang (N5), Kamikhaan (N5), Motep (N5), Rythmic, (N5), woad&fangs (N5), ajaxfetish (N6), FactionHeir (N6), Lt. Pinard (N6), Louis VI the Fat (N6), Husar (N7), NorthNovas (N7), Makanyane (N8), Sarathos (N8), Tran (N8), Haudegen (N9), Cowhead418 (N10), Ichigo (N10), LittleGrizzly (N10).
Killed During an Attack: (1) Evil_Maniac from Mars (N8).
Lynched: (10) pevergreen (D2), Hannibalbarca (D3), Tiberius of the Drake (D3), Omanes Alexandrapolites (D4), Andres (D5), Xdeathfire (D6), Dutch_guy (D7), Sigurd Fafnesbane (D8), Hiji (D9), Crazed Rabbit (D10)
Removed from Play: (11) Fahad I (D4), Killfr3nzy (D4), x-dANGEr (D4), Sapi (N4), Warmaster Horus (N5), Rob_the_Celt (N5), molonthegreat (N5), johnhughthom (D8), Alexander the Pretty Good (N9), Big King Sanctaphrax (N9), Roadkill (N9)
Haha, Don Corleone! It turns out I didn't just try to catch you!Quote:
“You’ve done great work so far. Your lynch victim of Day Eight – Sigurd Fafnesbane – has been proven to have been one of the Dons of a local crime family! Well Done! Moreover, either vigilantes working for the town or scum killing off one another managed to take out more mafia! Makanyane was a mafia Luca and both Sarathos and Tran were WiseGuys rumored to have been part of mafia killing teams. If we could determine who was working with what family, it would be easier to sort things out, but all-in-all Fatlington won big that night. Keep up the good work!”
And if anyone still wants to call me a Don, call me Donnie Brasco.
CR
So, Sigurd WAS a Don, and Makayane WAS a Luca, both reported only by CR (according to JimBob/TinCow), who we now know was either FBI or a Made.
To me, this raises the FoS to those who voted and/or failed to change their vote for CR.
By default, I must accuse the bandleader of the bandwagon, and:
vote: Sasaki
Maybe he can explain his doggedness in pursuing CR in the face of multiple doubts introduced. In which case, I'll switch votes.
And since JimBob is still tied up doing whatever he's doing, I'll go out a bit on a limb, and:
select: Proletariat
It seems she's important to someone, but no longer attacked every night. Still, with scum still in-town, I'd rather not trust to luck, but rather Fermanaugh's protection for her.
LittleGriz & Cowhead were obviously scum-hits (by the type of firepower, and calling cards). Ichigo less so, but probably a cross-mafia hit. E.Ferret's attacker's "...silver sword-pin on the left collar point...", sounds significant, and choice of weapons sounds crusader-ish, sort of.
I hope the remaining detectives can track down the bad guys soon enough for us to lynch or kill them.
Great. Sigurd's had a good idea of my role for a few rounds now, I imagine most or many of the attacks on me were by his group. The list of people who didn't try to switch their votes off of CR look interesting indeed
Charge is a good lynch
Vote: Charge, Select: Prole
So...the "Norwegian" that some people talked about turns out to be no other than Sigurd...
NOTE
Fermanagh stepped quickly back into the morning meeting just before JimBob adjourned.
"I'm that sorry, but I forgot one sheet of my notes. The only one to have been killed while attacking was Evil_Maniac from Mars. He appeared to be another WiseGuy though we had no rumors of his having been part of a kill team. When we tossed his apartment we found a hidden room with poisonous snakes, fish, and a full chem lab as well as a collection of about 100 different scalpels....still don't know quite what to make of that. johnhughthom was an innocent townie."
JimBob finally gaveled the morning meeting closed, telling Kukri to put his ballot in the box and check it at the evening meeting later.
Oh, how I would love to rise from the grave to tell all...
Kukri!
You make no sense man!
You vote to lynch Sasaki, then SELECT FOR DIRECTOR the person who supports Sasaki Kojiro the most??!
Husar, I did not say the doctor had to reveal in public.
I said that I had several, 'detectives', reveal in private, but no doctors.
One needs not be any more secretive than the other.
KukriKhan you make no sense!
Why would you want Proletariat instead of Jimbob?
What makes you say that she has any special importance to the town at all?
The way I saw it, there was no way that he gained access to the don chatboard by quoting the old pm. I still stand by that. The only way he could have been innocent is if he was given access to a fake chat board. But he refused to post the link. This to me was proof that he was not protown because posting the link if he was the don would lose him his only out (that he was given access to a fake board) and provide the town with valuable information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kukri
Sigurd turning up a Don and mak a luca changes things a bit. I can believe Sigurd is clever enough to send CR to a fake board. At this point I have to believe he was the detective, though he went out of his way to lie and act suspicious. And the luca result also lends credibility though I don't see why ichigo would lie to louis about his family name.
If you are looking for someone to blame though, I'd like to point out that those who switched from craterus to ichigo did just as much to lynch cr as those voting for him what with deadline being so close.
I was part of the vig group on Ichigo last night. The plan was to include one of tincow and CountArach (I chose tincow) and then count how many people were described as showing up at the kill. The idea being that since in past games mafia could not kill each other if 5 people showed up instead of six it would indicate that tincow was a buddy of ichigo. Instead we have a banner in ichigo's car saying "sorry buddy". It's possible one of the others was ichigo's buddy but given the failed hit from last night I doubt it.
Charge seems like a no brainer lynch after last nights unexplained survival so I'll Vote:Charge. Jimbob isn't around so I'll Select:prole.
Glenn, where have I been supporting Sasaki? I went after him quite hard in the beginning when I thought there was something scummy about his voting and sticking up for GH. Since then I've backed off that and haven't focused on Sasaki much.
You admit you're not reading the thread, maybe you could give posting in it a rest until you've caught up.
JimBob (who knows I'm innocent, Glenn) is apparently no longer playing. He mentioned something about taking an Amtrak last weekend and hasn't read a PM since.
Scratch this, sigurd turning up a don threw me for a loop for a second but it doesn't actually change anything. I reread a bit and CR had every chance to post the link to the chatboard and never did even when repeatedly asked. There's no reason for a pro town player not to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Cool. Decent explanation. Thanks :bow:
unvote: Sasaki
vote: Charge
I stick with my Prole selection, tho' Glenn thinks its nonsensical. I haven't seen her support Sasaki in the past, oh, 8 days or so.
Rather, I've seen her be attacked repeatedly, but defended by a doctor/surgeon. Tells me she's not scum, but-town-friendly, and anti-scum enough for them to send a hit night-after-night (remember the snake attack n8?).
Last time you were accused he leaped to your defense, even when all the evidence was against you. As to you supporting him, I'd need to read the thread again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Who says that was a Mafia hit?Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
What evidence was against me? I can't recall anything that hasn't been explained over and over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
Nothing has been explained, I'm not that out of date.
This sudden attempt to get a bandwagon going on a director vote is very good, but I can smell it all the way from here on the east coast of Australia.
You and Sasaki have been in each others arms for the past two days, and Jimbob never mentioned anything about you.
Let's draw a ring around the rosy voters.
KukriKhan
Sasaki Kojiro
Proletariat
What reason have you pretty trio for voting one of your group, instead of Jimbob?
What evidence is there that proves Prolly's innocence more than Jimbob's?
If there isn't any, then that means you aren't voting her for the good of the town, but yourselves.
And selfish behaviour is criminal behaviour.
Uhm, Seamus's addendum.Quote:
Originally Posted by EMfM
But you're right: EMfM= wiseguy, not specifically mafia.
@Glenn: you do realize, that your overt support of JimBob suddenly makes him suspicious? If your effort is to grant our absent benefactor additional days protection, I'm afraid you've come up short, mate.
I'm willing as I said, to "go out on a limb" and grant Fermanaugh protection to a character who seems, to me, to be pro-town, and anti-mafia. Nobody should get infinite protection, IMO.
Sasaki needs to die. He finds someone who voluntarily tells him about getting access to the don board, hunts down a mafia don, a mafia luca, and then leads the charge to get him lynched.
Sasaki is too good a player to make that whole thing a mistake - to ignore all the signs that I was a protown (what mafia don would tell Sasaki he was in the don meeting? Who would attack Andres because he knew he was guilty before Sasaki posted his guilty result? Who wasn't protected by a Luca when he was attacked?)
As for me not posting the links to the board - you posted before I posted the emails that all I needed to do was to post the emails and I'd live. I did - lo and behold they contained the old Capo I Don PM - and you still wanted me dead. I could've posted the link and you still would've wanted me to die. And since I knew you were not pro-town by then, I didn't want to give you any more information.
Sasaki needs to die.
Glenn - Jimbob isn't here. The town needs someone who's actually here.
CR
The town can think of someone far more trusted than Proletariat.
It isn't the town who needs Proletariat, it is Sasaki, Kukri and Prolly that need that position.
Don't give it to them!
Especially, CR, think, that your own target for the lynch - Sasaki - is most thoroughly supported by Prole.
If you can see this problem, support me in revealing it!
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Kukri, if you are Mafia, I am not your mate.
And if I want protection, and trust in the hands of the last Norman Crusader - who has already gone to great efforts to help the town - and you are unnerved at that, then you must be rather scummy.
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But if you are so pure, Kukri, then make a case here in public to show why Proletariat seems to be pro-town.
What do we know about Prollytaaryat?
CR, how would it be harmful to the town if you had published the link to the secret mafia meeting place? The dons knew that they had been spied on there, they have probably already moved on to another place.
TBH, I shared Sasaki´s view on the day you were lynched. I don´t understand why you didn´t post the link.
But there is another issue. When did you (CR) tell Sasaki about the meeting? From what I gather, it must have been several days ago. Probably even before Sigurd revealed it in the thread ... Why has Sasaki waited so long before he made his case against CR?
lulz good job wasting a kill Sasaki. :thumbsup:
It is a pity the plan didn't work. Rather than it saying 6 people showed up, it said at least 4. That doesn't help one bit. I do wonder what that banner thing was about though. As for someone else being part of the failed hit on Ichigo the night before, that can't be right because it was Haudegen, TinCow and myself who were involved on the first hit. So unless Haudegen was the scum (Which we can't rule out) it was one of the two of us. I'm going out on a limb and saying it wasn't me. However, like I said we can't rule out it was Haudegen, so TinCow may not be scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
What was the reason we are lynching Charge?
CA,
I completely understand that you can´t be sure whether I was the traitor during that night. But I´d like to point out, that it was me who attempted to start a bandwagon on ichigo on the day before (day 9).
Ok... so it seems I were a Don.
Must have misread my pm :beam:
I assure you Prole, that none of the hits on you came from my family.
I knew your role and I might have disclosed it in the Don meeting. I guessed as to who your protector might be, but none of the families have made an attempt at him.
Husar might have been attacked because of information I gave, [OOC:sorry about that.]
Other than that, I must congratulate the town. You are doing well and might win Captain of Captains again.
OOC:
This has been a most enjoying game. It had a high difficulty level and I was really hard pressed a few times.
Hmmm.. I might start cheering on the Mafia too.
It seems to give one favour with the township in the public thread!
Well, lynch me if you want. What a perfect bandwagon, isnt it? 'Luck' means nothing at all you :daisy: , that sound more like random reason to lynch anybody except yourself and your buddies, even criminal result on N3 doesnt mean mafia. Too annoyed I didnt join their families perhaps :thumbsdown:
I love Mafia games. :2thumbsup:
31 Players still alive, with many of those Mafia.
Vote: Charge - Cleaning up the trash from the previous night. No more lucky escapes for you.
Select: Proletariat - No point in having an inactive Director anymore and it is important to keep Prole alive.
I don't understand why there is a current bandwagon on Charge. What evidence is there that he's mafia, apart from a lucky escape? We've already seen that luck is not enough to point to protection, and we've had confirmed townies survive by luck. Is there nothing else to go on?
Tincow,
Your're alive. Reveal more on Prole, please.
Furthermore I missed out on why charge is begin lynched.. we still have people like Kukri running around?? oh and sasaki needs to be lynched before the end of the game. definitely.
hmm, so Sigurd was a don, and CR was innocent.. that makes up slightly for my other big mistakes in interpreting/etc in this game. :balloon2: :2thumbsup:
:book:
I'm sure he shows up that way - but I'm not yet ruling out idea he wasn't another Don, till his results come back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
The facts still stand - his detective result on Sigurd wasn't a detective result it was the result of information gained in the Don's meeting.
The detailed results on me didn't tie up properly with the known facts in the thread..... so he knew I was a Luca, that could also have come out in the meeting. My Don could have revealed that information either accidentally or deliberately, if say someone told him I was one of the next targets....
I'm not pretending to have turned pro-town, but I dislike devious mafia working their way into town's trust and using that to sell out other families more than I dislike any other element in this game.
The town should still be careful before following anything else CR suggests before his full post-mortem comes back. It might not only be other families he's trying to sell out.
JimBob's post #2208 list of suspects from 10 days ago, seems to have borne out true, so far. Charge is listed as a wiseguy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
That's the last publicly published list we have.
Pray, tell what you did last night, Charge? :smash:
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Was anybody with CountArach last night? Is that whole 'vig group infiltrant' thingy that started yesterday night sorted out?
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Looks like Crazed Rabbit was right after all. All his lynchers are now suspicious. Some were no doubt sincere, some were most probably mafia. The voters: CA, Ichigo, Kage, Leet, Sasaki, shlin, TruePraetorian. Ichigo is scum. CA was already FoS'ed.
Here are CR's results again for your convenience:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
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Prole is pretty much confirmed innocent. The only people attacking her still are EMFM - her mafia attacker. And Glenn. Glenn's increasingly desperate posts make me wonder if there isn't maybe more to his win conditions after all than 'town victory'. It is clear Glenn and JimBob are crusaders. But is a mere town victory their sole objective, or is there more to that all-red role PM of theirs?
Why did the 'glaive' (blade) kill last night? Who is this single-person killer? Was it JimBob, 'the blade / sword'? 'Below the full facemask was a high-collared black coat with a silver sword-pin on the left collar point. In the hands of this figure was some kind of sword on a long wooden handle. <<A glaive?>> thought Ferret, fixating on the deadly blade.'
Why didn't you comment on this murder write-up a bit more, Glenn. It implicates you and JimBob, or is related somehow to all that weird crusaders / sword / blade / shadow / light stuff. Yet, not a word from you about it. Hmm...
All we know of the crusaders is that they are a secret society. Seamus: "Glenn is a strange case. On the surface he seemed a regular townie, but a thorough search revealed a small memento album with scrolls in Latin, a print of some French medieval tapestry and one photo of him in some kind of Crusader regalia. Along with some stray rumors about a secret society, we’re just not sure about him. We may never know the whole story.”
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Well played Sigurd. Classic mafia stuff. :bow:
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The 'Sorry buddy' banner in Ichigo's car sounds like simply a message from Seamus and nothing of relevance for the game.
Gah! Had a good run, didn't think i would survive this late into the game, i would advise selecting prole for director with people being unsure on tincow and jimbob being afk
I have more evidence on Charge, but I would prefer not to release it, because doing so might make a couple people targets. Needless to say, Charge is confirmed mafia and needs to be killed eventually. Given that the list of confirmed mafia is now relatively small, he's as good a target as any.
Oh really??Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I can say I have evidence on you or anybody else too. So who's right?
Me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge
Fair enough.
Vote: Charge
My thoughts.
This bandwagon on Charge, though worthy, is also good cover for mafia. A clear lynch target is good, a lack of discussion on other suspects is bad.
I think there is more to EMFM's story than we know, but I also don't think it's relevant now, that episode appears to be over.
Myrddraal is correct. We should not stop discussing other people. I note that Cowhead418 was murdered last night. He was a detective and was working with JimBob. Here are all of the results I have from him. They are cut short because he did not send me any results after JimBob went AWOL:
Note that Twilightblade is criminal. Along with his earlier sketchy last minute vote switch, he should be considered mafia. Since CR has been vindicated, his N7 criminal result on Warluster should also indicate another mafia.Quote:
N1:
pevergreen = criminal
The Stranger = innocent
N2:
Glenn = innocent
Crazed Rabbit = innocent
N3:
charge = criminal
ajaxfetish = innocent
N4:
Proletariat = innocent
Twilightblade = criminal
Well, seeing as we don't have a priority target, and at the moment we're voting for a wise guy, let's go for a double (or even, dare I suggest triple) lynch.
Unvote: Charge
Vote: Warluster
A person who will remain anonymous has provided me with Cowhead418's results from N5 and N6:
Quote:
N5:
Rythmic = Innocent
Myrddraal = Innocent
N6:
Norwegian nerd = Innocent
FactionHeir = Criminal
Myrd, never a bad idea to lynch several, unless one has top priority.
But, are we as sure about warluster as we are about charge? Charge might mess up the tally.
Btw,
Has anyone considered yet the possibilty of Norwegian Nerd being a don? his mistake at the beginning of game made people think he wasn't town.. and twice investigated innocent..
btw, I still think TruePraetorian is mafia.
Doesn't mean I was connected to the Mafia.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
That being said, I am not attacking Proletariat, but I'm sure the town can do better than that for director.
On the other hand, Sasaki has made me suspicious occasionally in the past.
:rolleyes5:
@CR: Did you pm the link to anyone?
I was told just prior to posting in the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haudegen
Yup, seems Seamus doesn't want to provide that kind of verification. I'm not prepared to condemn anyone based solely on the banner message and previous missed kill.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
I'm working on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by louis
A lone killer tried to kill TinCow with a blade, and W&F was killed with a blade. Though not a glaive. I thought a glaive was a polarm not a sword. Sigurd's claimed hitman was supposed to be responsible for those. Can you check JimBob's profile to see when he was last online? Could exonerate him.Quote:
Originally Posted by louis
what kind of person attacked me? Never seen a glaive before lol.
vote:Warluster
select:TinCow
I still think TC is best for the town, he's helped us a lot so far, except you still let me be attacked by some glaive wielding maniac :clown:
Prole should be Director instead of Tincow.
She's more experienced at mafia.
CR
Select: prole
I don't trust her entirely, but I trust most people less :tongue:
Vote: Charge
Now that I see the case against him, and seeing there are no confirmed scum still running around, time to bring him down.
Ok I was going to pm around and ask some people but I checked the rules and it's not necessary:
[snip]
edit: nevermind I misread something.
Please point out the contradiction that you claim exists. I see no contradiction between that rule and my result.
Also, please tell me who else did not show up to the hit other than me. The report says 4 people. One was me, as you can tell from my result PM. Who was the other?
Vote: Warluster
Surely a lurker with a criminal result is more lynch-worthy than a semi-active player with a criminal result?
Select: Prole
The lurker is likely to get WoGed.Quote:
Originally Posted by shlin28
Sorry, I think that was a misreading on my part.
edit: pm'd the explanation to you.
The indications I have seen are that Ichigo may have had a special ability that prevented some of his attackers from showing up. This casts some doubt on the situation on N9 as well, though as far as I can tell, no one on the N9 hit got the additional text that I did on N10.
Vote: TruePraetorian. According to JimBob´s list here, he has been actively sabotaging the town effort, while all we have against Charge and few others is a criminal result. Here is a link to original post of Jimbob:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...postcount=2208
Also, Select: Proletariat. It seems she is the best choice for the director for now, maybe the town effort could do with bit a of a woman touch.:smash:
The evidence against TP came directly from me. It was based on an error that Seamus made in one of the write-ups. I recanted my accusation on TP shortly afterwards, here. AFAIK, there is currently no evidence to suggest that TP is mafia.
Thanks Tincow. In that case there is no reason to vote for him. So lets turn to someone else who has been mafia associated before and has been lurking the last couple rounds. Vote: Scottishranger. How have you been lately?
Gah! Forgot to unvote. Unvote and Vote : Scottishranger
Vote: Warluster
Better lynch a confirmed criminal
Maybe I'm being a bit thick but why are we selecting Prole? She's not a confirmed innocent, AFAIK, and it would gives the mafia a shot at JimBob tonight.
For that reason, I'll FoS: Kukri for starting the run of votes on Prole. After all, the main argument seems to be that she's active and JimBob isn't. Why do we need an active director? On the off-chance we get a multi-lynch to work out, Seamus would probably just have them both executed if JimBob didn't turn up to decree something.
I'll vote once I've reread the last few pages.
Vote: Warluster
If he ain't posting he's killing.
That's interesting.
Post counts
gibsonsg91921 5
Warluster 5
What have you been up to, gibson?
oh last vote before I die...
Tincow's evidence against me is soo astounding so this round is definitely last .
vote: scottishranger
select: Myrddraal
he's better anyway than others for that place.
select: prole
was'nt the 'glaive' weapon named an ashendari or somethin maybe that has something to do with it