Swords and Sorcery Mafia Without the Swords [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

3. I will jailkeep one of Csargo and GH tonight. Vigs are forbidden. Do not redirect anything from either of them
4. Discuss to take stock of remaining JK, track, watch, and scan powers; specific assignments are a possibility depending what we come up with

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Do you only want to jail one for investigative purposes, or do you want to jail both?
I have one watch power too.

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Originally Posted by Lewwyn

Do you only want to jail one for investigative purposes, or do you want to jail both?
I have one watch power too.

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Right, you have a JK. We could do both. But it would be preferable to couple this with an alignment scan for one of them, if there are any left.

Tracks are cheaper than JK, and jailing one while tracking the other should have a similar effect, right?

GH is going to have a coronary at the mechanical plans. :)

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Originally Posted by Renata

GH is going to have a coronary at the mechanical plans. :)

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I'm starting to feel like a Greek god, Greek god. All my network from the front to the back, nod.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

https://i.imgur.com/icWiunu.gif

It's not a network, GH. It's an entente.

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Originally Posted by Renata

GH is going to have a coronary at the mechanical plans. :)

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Honestly, I think the game is over after we lynch Sooh.

I'd just like it to be known that - Sooh's lynch pending - the majority of the mafia have been caught by good threadwork, which is the good and right way of going about things.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I'd just like it to be known that - Sooh's lynch pending - the majority of the mafia have been caught by good threadwork, which is the good and right way of going about things.

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That's all fine, but the issue is moot at this point.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I'd just like it to be known that - Sooh's lynch pending - the majority of the mafia have been caught by good threadwork, which is the good and right way of going about things.

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Which again is the #1 reason why I think Sooh is scum.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

That's all fine, but the issue is moot at this point.

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If the issue is moot, then why do I need to claim?

You forgot this: :soapbox:

Sooh

Was going to say sorry guys for not putting much effort in the last few days because I've been busy, but I spent the last couple hours watching episodes of The Americans so I don't think that excuse really holds up. In fairness, it's an excellent show.

So the new excuse is... Avoiding carpal tunnel? Avoiding nightkills so I can get peeks off? Avoiding the thread because I'm a wolf with no wim? :shrug:

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

If the issue is moot, then why do I need to claim?

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If any information you have relates to actions already discussed, then by leaving that discussion incomplete you create needless obstruction. Things like killing Bsmith, redirects affecting scans or watches, etc. Of course if you defended yourself or did something corroborating another claim, it's not so meaningful.

Also consider that by refusing to engage with claims under these circumstances, you undermine any independent night actions you undertake.

So unless you stand by a principle that night actions in general are evil or to be discouraged, you aren't exactly living up to your game philosophy.

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Originally Posted by kcaZ

Was going to say sorry guys for not putting much effort in the last few days because I've been busy, but I spent the last couple hours watching episodes of The Americans so I don't think that excuse really holds up. In fairness, it's an excellent show.

So the new excuse is... Avoiding carpal tunnel? Avoiding nightkills so I can get peeks off? Avoiding the thread because I'm a wolf with no wim? :shrug:

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Stop tinfoiling Zack, it's such disgusting nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Stop tinfoiling Zack, it's such disgusting nonsense.

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Well, it is. :bounce:

It's not a network if it's in the thread. Or even an entente.

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Originally Posted by Arakhor

I drained some of his mana, so I know I was able to target him, but I have no idea how much he was affected. As I said, it was a stupid waste of my unique spell. ~:(

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So with no vig claims out we can start to assume that Arakhor indeed snuffed Atheotes with this?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

It turns out Arakhor did something entirely different than RB anyway. We need to hear more claims.

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Also: if Snerk's actions failed twice against different people, then using the failed scan on Sooh as evidence against her is diminished in standing. Plus it's very unlikely that a Snerk-Sooh team would want to worsen the positions of both in such a weird, pointless way.

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I really can't imagine a five man scum team. Might be somewhat balanced in terms of abilities but in the vote dynamics scum faction would have too much pull. Third faction/SK seems unlikely since there is no trace of it so far.

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Originally Posted by Renata

It's possible.

Redirector switches all actions aimed at player X onto player Y. there is no effect upon actions aimed at player Y to begin with; they still go through as intended.

Bus driver switches all actions aimed at player X onto player Y AND all actions aimed at player Y onto player X.

As far as I know it's up to mod preference as to whether the players whose actions are redirected are aware of it or not.

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I didn't know bus driver worked both ways. Must make mental note of it.

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

It seems likely they were responsible for BSmith's death, actually, unless GH vigged him and isn't telling us, because I think everyone else has already claimed doing something different on Night 1.

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The mafia killing BSmith still doesn't make any sense. But I see your point in terms of a lack of a good alternative.

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Originally Posted by Lewwyn

Why did you try to block me?

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Why not? Sooh and Atheotes were too obvious targets and suitable vig targets anyway. If the block succeeded and there isno kill, it's a massive scum indication. It failed and thus confirmed your ability which would have been a clear town boosts if there had been a kill. But with no scum kill not much progress was made in that regards.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

@Sooh obviously needs to claim.
@Renata, please claim.

Lewwyn's claim confirms Snerk's failure: remember that hiding trumps everything, so any action "fizzles" against it, as Renata did against me N1. What this means for Snerk against Sooh N1...

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Doesn't mean much in terms of my scan on Sooh. That's still unresolved and remains equally suspicious.

What if the scums went into this game with a plain of turning WIFOM up to eleven and consistently targeting scumleans instead of townleans? I.e. BSmith n1 and Atheotes n2?

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Originally Posted by Snerk

So with no vig claims out we can start to assume that Arakhor indeed snuffed Atheotes with this?

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The major issues with that idea is that mana burn death would have to result in a charred corpse, that the scum struck elsewhere and that he had only a tiny amount of mana on N2 (i.e. a close-to-vanilla character).

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

Just back after a day and a half absent, and while I've scanned the thread, I won't have time to properly catch up until later on today.

Last night I cast two spells:

Watch GH - Renata and Atheotes both visited

Roleblock Snerk

I wonder if atheotes tried to kill him.

Why'd you pick your two targets?

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Originally Posted by Renata

Why'd you pick your two targets?

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I saw GH as a viable-because-less-obvious target for the scum, and saw Snerk as fairly likely to be scum himself.

Why Snerk instead of Atheotes, Sooh or Csargo?

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Originally Posted by Renata

Why Snerk instead of Atheotes, Sooh or Csargo?

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Figured other people more likely to be tracking/blocking/somethinging them; it seemed like others were treating Snerk as less suspect than I was feeling him to be.

Good enough.

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Originally Posted by Renata

Good enough.

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Good enough for what?

Good enough for me to be satisfied with your choices.

Okay yeah, stop suspecting me.

Hardclaim mason with Renata.

Some of you (Winston) mentioned how Renata's early D1 posts seemed weirdly worded. This was for a reason.

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Originally Posted by Renata

Good afternoon, scumbags and normal people.

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Originally Posted by Renata

Hi Arakahor!

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Originally Posted by Renata

Maybe Dp gets a hi, maybe not. Depends if he's a scumbag.

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Originally Posted by Renata

A lady doesn't consort with scumbags, that's why.

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Originally Posted by Renata

Silly boy, that was last game. This game I'm a townie.

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Originally Posted by Renata

Over five years since we've played together, I think. How's CFC been treating you?

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Originally Posted by Renata

Nice, lol.

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The first letter in each post spells out "GH MASON".

My cover:

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Top towns and scums, no particular order:

Towns:

Zack
Renata
Csargo
Snerk
Renata

Zack and Snerk on tone, Csargo is a soul read, Renata's listed twice because she's that townie to me.

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Listing Renata twice was no accident. In addition, this was a tell I saw Visor use one time, which meant that an early death for one of us meant it was probably >rand that Visor was mafia.

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Anyway, I'm still not going to divulge my night activities other than the fact that they were low-impact.

Confirm. It's been a blast. You're all invited to coffee and donuts in mason chat after the game.