Out of character thread XIX

Geez, GH, the Peter's death story makes him look like a tragic hero. You should be a lawyer or Karl Rove or something!

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

That was the plan I had with Jan too. But politics happened and Jan ended up stumbling upon the evil secret order, somewhat by accident. Chivalry was in it's low period and Jan had to do some things he wasn't proud of just to operate in a toxic environment. (like be deceitful, lie, and threaten.) I explained it away by playing some of his darker traits. I learned that playing an idealistic moral crusader was quite difficult in a time and place where no one wanted to hear it. Dread was in. Dread was fun. Dread was a realistic way to stop those endless stacks from attacking you. Hence, chivalry became a very unpopular trait for a few reasons.

It was pretty much lost amongst all the political noise but I did manage to get Jan the "Merciful" title. It was a nice counter-point to all the "Merciless" generals we had around. Proudly, he released prisoners after every single battle he fought. Much to his fellow Crusader's chagrin as they had to deal with all the little "Jan stacks" I left all over Outremer... :beam:

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and indeed Dieter tried to follow in Jan's footsteps and also managed to earn the title "the merciful". Though before that he somehow earned the title "the mean" because he stayed in Magdeburg too long, I blame FH for making me install that silly mod of his :clown:

edit: on a sidenote this thread has achieved more replies than any other in the Throne Room, ever!

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Originally Posted by Elite Ferret

and indeed Dieter tried to follow in Jan's footsteps and also managed to earn the title "the merciful". Though before that he somehow earned the title "the mean" because he stayed in Magdeburg too long, I blame FH for making me install that silly mod of his :clown:

edit: on a sidenote this thread has achieved more replies than any other in the Throne Room, ever!

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Yeah, the only other title Jan had was "Crusader" due to having the avatar in 2 Crusades.

As for the thread, I noticed that too. Yay us! :balloon2: :beam:

Also, KotR threads have 7 of the top 10 most viewed threads in the Throne Room. :2thumbsup:

probably because we are the only sados who bother to come here...

:clown: (yes I'm still using this smiley in every post :beam:)

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Originally Posted by Elite Ferret

probably because we are the only sados who bother to come here...

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With the amount of time I've spent in this forum, I'm probably more of a masochist...

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Originally Posted by Cecil XIX

I always wanted him to be politically active and serve as an example to other electors, pretty much the opposite of how Edmund demanded to be left to himself. I figure he would have run for Chancellor after the Cataclysm (or maybe a little later, judging by Arnold's candidacy), pledging to restore the Reich to the honor and glory of the days of old. He would have probably ended up dieing beside his childhood friend Peter at Trent, but if he turned out how I wanted him to than who knows. Maybe he could have influenced an Elector or two away from the Illuminati, or taken down someone important with him.

Argh, the fact that we'll never know is so irritating. :wall:

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Don't be disappointed, I actually found Becker to be one of the more interesting characters from the Cataclysm onwards. His stance in Prague was one of my favorite parts and I always tried to be extra creative to come up with interesting choices for you. Combined with the peaceful end to his rebellion, and I think he stood out as one of the truly just and noble characters in the game. Other people may have had more chivalry, but no one did more for his own people than Becker. Refusing to take either side at the end simply confirmed this.

And that's time, folks.

Resolving one last time.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Don't be disappointed, I actually found Becker to be one of the more interesting characters from the Cataclysm onwards. His stance in Prague was one of my favorite parts and I always tried to be extra creative to come up with interesting choices for you. Combined with the peaceful end to his rebellion, and I think he stood out as one of the truly just and noble characters in the game. Other people may have had more chivalry, but no one did more for his own people than Becker. Refusing to take either side at the end simply confirmed this.

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Aw shucks. :beam: Becker was an interesting character. After having just lost Sigismund, my initial intention was to create a low-risk, low-intensity character. I figured I'd have him avoid battles and focus on governing. Little did I realize how hard I would have to fight to get out of fighting. It was such a struggle that I couldn't help but become emotionally invested in him. I suppose my biggest goal with him was to create I character who was completely distinct from Sigismund without being his polar opposite, someone who could be sensible connected to him without it being cheesy. Since I didn't get to play out Sigismund as much as I wanted, Becker ended up keeping more of his personality then he would have otherwise. Still, by making Edmund as small-scale as Sigismund was grand, I hope I succeeded.

After a while with him I was amazed at how much fun I was having as a govenor. I must have cumulatively spent hours looking at saves, checking Prague's population, income and the buildings it had while comparing it to all the other cities of the Reich. Becker wanted Prague to have a claim to being one of the Reich's greatest cities. I never mentioned it to anyone OOC or IC, but it was his life's work for Prague to have the first University in all the Reich. That's why his build queues were almost entirely farms, Town Hall, Cathedrals and Alchemist's Labs and the taxes were always set low.

I suppose my favorite part was the beginning of the cataclysm, when Edmund received support from Jan, Hans, Lorenz, Tancred and Dieter. I know Peter didn't want to see Edmund attacked either, though I think I read that in the House Thread, he didn't contact me. It's too bad Stig got kicked out, as Dieter was on the verge of suceding with Hamburg, Magdeburg and Frankfurt to create the Duchy of Saxony. Ah, what fun that would have been!

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Originally Posted by Cecil XIX

It's too bad Stig got kicked out, as Dieter was on the verge of suceding with Hamburg, Magdeburg and Frankfurt to create the Duchy of Saxony. Ah, what fun that would have been!

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Ah, the Duchy of Saxony, I almost forgot about that little plot thread. I almost fell out of my chair when EF first told me about it IC. Talk about being torn. One of the reasons Jan was in Outremer was because he had nothing back in Europe. But helping a family member try to create a new Duchy was very tempting. Jan almost left Outremer earlier just to go give Dieter a hand. But, he stayed in Outremer out of loyalty to Elberhard. And then Dassel went for Hans with Lothar's help and Jan made a choice to leave Outremer anyways but to help Hans instead of Dieter.

If Jan won Bern with at least some semblance of an army, his next move would have been east to assist Becker and Dieter with their respective plans.

As for Becker's personality, I tried to have Jan give Becker a little shove in Sigismund's direction. Hence the story we did together. I figured if you wanted to take Becker more in Sigismund's direction, a visit from an (in)famous Crusader might do the trick. :beam:

Awww... let the record show that Peter loves Tancred best like always.

My God, I'm glad that's over.

FWIW, the Trent thread is now complete with orders, umpire notes, and feedback PMs for each turn.

-edit- And Hapsburg's ultimate fate is being written as we speak.

Thanks a bunch GH, really made it go out with a bang. I can't believe Ludwig actually lived through all that (certian switchings of sides certainly helped), even though he lost all of his army. Fantastic job, and the feedbacks and orders were a good read and quite a bit of a laugh :D

You did a good job, GH. You handled the mechanics and the combat resolutions as well as anybody could. Though it did seem that the feedback was being written by Hermann. And I didn't appreciate the 'head in the sand' remark about Becker either, he seemed to be the only one who was judged like that.

But overall, I'd be happy to see you oversee a battle like this again.

As for the resolution, I'm impressed to see that so many Imperialists went down fighting. It's also nice to see Fritz get what he deserved. :birthday2: And now I'm picturing Dieter being joined by Jan and Sigismund... Seems rather fitting for the Illuminati's brilliant planning to secure victory, while stubborn honor enacts it's partial vengeance to the very end.

Wow, great job GH and everyone! :balloon2:

That was one fun read! :yes:

Sorry to EF and Ramses for your characters. But I find it funny that Dieter/Fritz went down like Jan+Hans/Dassel did. Kind of phyrric...

So, who's left? Hapsburg ran off. Becker is somewhere. I have already approached AG to get his insight on how he wants to deal with Alfgarda. Any other loyalists/neutrals I'm missing? von Kassel is still around somewhere. Wow, there might not be anyone left...

cool... :2thumbsup:

Tancred should be proud. With all the world against him, he always seems to manage achieving his great goal... With a little help from a friend.

Tancred is always Peter's bff. He conquers Constantinople when Peter gets captured (all part of the plan btw) and now kills Fritz after Fritz (not Arnold, Fritz) kills Peter.

A little wrap-up story from Peter's point of view is complete. Not as long as GH's, but from my point of view. I needed to write it, for closure...

Yeah, it was cool to see Dieter, Peter, Tancred, and Athawolf go down fighting. Jan would be proud... :2thumbsup:

My condolences to Gib, DG, and WL as well. (as well as WH for losing his guy earlier.)

I have been a bit overwhelmed thinking of how to react to Dieter's death that I temporarily forgot about the other guys. sorry, but I was attached to him and had hoped he would make it through. :sweatdrop:

I'm so effing proud of Tancred, though. You couldn't imagine. If I wasn't dead I'd write a story worshipping Tancred. lol

Very well done, GH. You did KOTR justice with the entire battle.

I find the whole von Kastilien saga to be kind of poetic. Four sons of the Duke of the most powerful House in the Reich. All four achieved great power, but they were at odds with each other. Siegfried sparked the Cataclysm, which led directly to his own death and Ansehelm's. The repercussions from the Cataclysm resulted in Peter's ascension to the throne, and then Fritz and Peter died fighting each other in the struggle to determine what would become of the Reich in the aftermath of the conflict. I find it somewhat Shakespearean. Add in the story of Gunther, and you've easily got the most epic storyline in KOTR or WOTS.

Peter is a tragic hero! He's Theoden! He's Creon! He's Romeo! He's amazing!

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Very well done, GH. You did KOTR justice with the entire battle.

I find the whole von Kastilien saga to be kind of poetic. Four sons of the Duke of the most powerful House in the Reich. All four achieved great power, but they were at odds with each other. Siegfried sparked the Cataclysm, which led directly to his own death and Ansehelm's. The repercussions from the Cataclysm resulted in Peter's ascension to the throne, and then Fritz and Peter died fighting each other in the struggle to determine what would become of the Reich in the aftermath of the conflict. I find it somewhat Shakespearean. Add in the story of Gunther, and you've easily got the most epic storyline in KOTR or WOTS.

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Don't forget the Gunther/Fredericus feud which ended up causing the Ansehelm/Jan feud. Add in the death of Helmut, the traitorous turn of the elder von Kassel, and now Dieter's death and you have a tragedy that extends up and down von Saxony's whole line.

And don't get me started on the Marehn's... (originally part of the von Saxony line)

Poor von Saxony, except for Mini-Econ's character and a couple of kids, the whole family is gone. :yes:

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I forgot Becker. (sorry Cecil...) He's also in the von Saxony line. (originally) So, there is just Dieter von Kassel, Becker, and 11 kids that are all either underaged or unmarried. So, maybe the line is ok for the long-term. But for the short term... it's !@#$'d

Exactly as it should be, the bad guy got what he deserved in the end. I placed Fritz at risk deliberately just as I always put him in the line of fire during my other KotR battles. He would've been in the thick of the fighting earlier if it hadn't been for the risk of my units rebelling. :beam:

I'm extremely satisfied with his end. I had kinda/sorta started a story where he's overseeing the conquest of the Russians and suffers a heart attack without knowing if his men have won or lost a battle at Moscow. Ties to the whole bit where great generals go down to utter defeat in Russia, etc.

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Whew, finally got to read through the Republican Quicktopic. Much different from the Imperial one, let me assure you. My biting remarks on that one about the frequent failures to submit orders, and the orders I drew up for others as well, were totally as a player and not as Fritz. It is very frustrating to have GH spend the time to set all this up and then have some people, especially people who 'came back' just to be in the battle, just fail to show.

I think if the Imperials had been paying attention and on the ball this battle would have been much, much closer and the body count on the Republican side would have been significantly higher. Of course if things had been going really badly I would've just flipped at the same time as Max, but it was still a great big cluster on the Imperial side IMHO.

The next GM to run a PvP can now also see my excessively wordy style of orders and prepare to punish me accordingly. :laugh4:

The only thing better than having Tancred kill Fritz would've been him dying to a lowly pavise crossbowman.

edit: KotR as the saga of the von Kastilien family makes a certain odd kind of sense to me. If KotR were a movie, I'm betting that's how the director would choose to frame it for clarity.

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What's this? I made it through a difficult battle with my avatar intact? There's something slightly unsettling about that...:clown:

https://forums.totalwar.org/wiki/ind..._of_the_Romans

https://forums.totalwar.org/wiki/ind...ans_characters

Dear God, are these begging for an update.

The most chivalrous and merciful noble of the Reich was done. :clown:

After him I couldn't really get into a charcater. I thought I could get something with Johann but then he was killed and didn't have the same for Max. Though an explanation of his thinking in the battle would be good inside but I will leave it to the readers imagination.

Nice work GH! :2thumbsup:
You had some big shoes with econ unable to do the GM duties. Excellent work was done for both PvP Battles in this game!

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Originally Posted by Northnovas

The most chivalrous and merciful noble of the Reich was done. :clown:

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Yeah, but you didn't have an avatar with the super-cool title of "the Merciful" like I did. :clown:

Thanks GH, thanks everyone who made this great. KOTR WILL NEVER DIE, as long as we keep writing excessive post-mortem stories! WHO'S WITH ME?

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Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

Thanks GH, thanks everyone who made this great. KOTR WILL NEVER DIE, as long as we keep writing excessive post-mortem stories! WHO'S WITH ME?

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I've got you there, Hapsburg's is complete. Enjoy.

Ohohoho mercy! GH, that is gold. GOLD!