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I already said: you're lying.
who will you be willing to lynch within Pizza, Al sips and GH? or will you even be willing to lynch within that group?Quote:
Originally Posted by Riedquat
Yes. I hope now you all can understand why i did not believe GH's claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
On the other hand, you claimed a one-shot.Quote:
Yes. I hope now you all can understand why i did not believe GH's claim.
I tell you this, there's no way GH and Pizza are scum together, and it's only Pizza that Riedquat can be merc-sheeping.
I am set on Pizza, Al, and DP101.
Yes. I Claimed 1-shot...Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Why is GH still alive? JK is a powerful role. lets say they had him negated via the roleblock and kept him alive as lynch bait
what about last night... I was suspecting GH. So i was not going to protect him. Surely he could not jailkeep himself. The scum decided to go after Fry (Pelican) instead. Why?
Because they think they can just roleblock him forever is my guess. I agree though, it does feel odd that they would go after a claimed vanilla. Maybe they did it because Pizza is mafia and they want to save him from the main proponent of him being mafia? Or, slightly more tinfoil, they want people to think that's what they did and mislynch Pizza. Ultimate tinfoil is that mafia is Quat Pelican and withheld kill to get a town lynched while acquiring town cred for the two of them.
So you protected Pelican? I don't follow what it has to do with GH either here-or-there.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
Why would they do that when a kill would win them the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by DP101
Now you see why I called it ultimate tinfoil, it probably isn't what happened.
@Riedquat
You're looking for guarantees relating to being unwilling to lynch X robot and/or worried about your personal survival.
There is probably at least 1 robot scum, however I also think as you do that they're mostly human. Just name the people you'd be willing to lynch, and if they're a suspect, we'll go that route. It's the only way to get the vote totals we need.
You've already demonstrated your commitment to town. We wouldn't be able to win without your help anyway. If it's just plain old clear that we're not going to win, I'm still not voting to lynch you ever. Don't worry about that part.
Let's find suspects we mutually agree on and go from there. If, after we look at those suspects, it's impossible or incompatible win conditions between you and town, then it wasn't even your fault. Then it was just luck of the draw, meaning the people we have left. No one is going to blame you for the kinds of people remaining.
We win together or we don't. Monty's definitely scum, but you seem hesitant on certain others. Let's hammer things out so we don't have to even negotiate things out tomorrow and the day after.
^Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
What atheotes said.
Still would like to see unvotes in the case of a quick hammer. I want to hear from everyone one more time before I lock in a vote.
I get it. If you had hardclaimed while I was still online, I'd have had to redo my teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
On the one hand, it's an easy claim to make. On the other hand, the wording of it looks real, and now the power seems to be demonstrated.
I'm running out of spaces for there to be a mafia roleblocker actively using their power. I'm definitely overlooking something.
It's possible that Al didn't use his power at all in the early game, but he'd have had to have missed sending in orders.
I'm forced to consider dp101 here and I don't think that's correct.
I wish my three townies would just raise their hands at this point.
Scenario 1 that enters my head:
Pelican was attacked, and Reidquat blocked it.
Scenario 2:
Someone attacked whoever atheotes protected.
Scenario 3:
GH pocketed me.
No idea at all why GH wouldn't still just shoot me. Surely scum GH doesn't think atheotes would protect me.
Third party and neutral are slightly different. Neutral can win with any team. Basically, they don't count for parity, so if it's 3 townies, 3 scums, 1 neutral, mafia wins, because a neutral has achieved all their win conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
What I'm suggesting is that Reidquat has, I think, made his choice to side with one team over the other. If that's town, yeah, it will take a bit longer for him to achieve his win condition, more rounds of play, perhaps, and it's also possible that we have to lynch a claimed robot. But maybe that's not the case.
I just want to see if it's possible.
If it's not possible, then it's already game over and I don't want to waste too much of my time. I'm just keeping the diplomatic channel open.
If the people he's willing to lynch are compatible with town, or 2/3 of them are, that's probably a done deal. If not, well, I can say I tried.
It's largely up to Reidquat here. List of names he's not willing to lynch plus list of names he's willing to, and we'll work it out.
This is a relief, it means that a compromise is definitely possible. Thanks for clarifying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riedquat
Basically the only way you wouldn't side with us is if we needed to lynch someone you said wasn't kosher.
At that point, we just tie up the vote, see who the coin flip is, and walk home happy regardless.
I don't have any power, other than this unholy acting talent. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shxhCpznMtQ
Monty - Pizza - Atheotes - Al Sip/GH - Dp101
Or Monty - Al Sip - Dp101/Pizza - Atheotes/GH
Or Monty - Dp101 - Pizza/Atheotes - Al Sip - GH
I'm willing to lynch everybody except Pelican but today my vote is unmovable. I only have a semi certainty, Monty is a threat, about the rest I'm blind like everybody else.
Scum roleblocker is the key. If we lynch that person, then a GH-town scenario could lead to fewer interim deaths before the mafia die.
Because of my tracking results, that scum blocker can be GH or dp101 as the most likely candidates.
There's a possibility it was atheotes, because if Pelican was targeted, you stopped that kill. But I don't know how likely that is.
It's possibly Al, missing an order on n2. That's actually the simplest explanation.
Monty wasn't blocking the night prior, and Pelican wasn't blocking last night.
So, assuming GH is town, and you keep protecting him, lynching the correct person out of those 4 probably wins us the game. With fewer robot casualties to boot.
I'm assuming that's also the major concern here, getting a win with the fewest casualties related to your win conditions.
Lynch scum blocker.
You protect GH, GH protects a random villager remaining, possibly stopping another kill altogether, giving town outright control over the lynch again.
At that point, it's lynch lynch win. I'll go Monty scum lynch today if that's the only way to begin cutting down their numbers. But the order of operations matters.
Thoughts on the scum roleblocker's identity?
Or if you said you can only protect Pelican, do that.
Guess GH would just have to randomize it and get lucky, hoping to stop his own hit.
dp101 versus Al Sips. At this point, I'd be willing to lynch Al based on his record.
dp101's iso is more townie.
Heading to bed, it's 1am here and wife says it is bedtime.
Mull things over, we'll talk more during the next 24 hours or so.
I pledge to vote Monty today as a compromise, because it's still possible to slug things out to a final 4 situation that way.
Even better and with more robots alive is scum roleblocker directly first, then the other 2.
So please tell me, everyone, how you would like to interpret that entire last page. Did it look shadier than an alleyway parcel exchange? It sure did to me.
@GeneralHankerchief @Pelican
Err... I can't protect GH again... it doesn't work that way, the doctor ability triggers after I scan a robot and I'm informed at the beginning of the night if I can use it on the target I've scanned, but only with the last one. With Fry it was different and got informed with the result of the scan from that moment I can protect him every night. The only possible protection I could get would be on Al -Sip but, I would need to scan him first... Apart of that, I don't want to leave Fry without my protection.
I did not. I was fairly certain Quat would protect Pelican. The scum knew i would never protect GH. if town, GH was the sureshot kill. Going after Pelican also means they could be alienating Quat. Yet they went after Pelican. What does that say about GH?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Anyways, GH is not my target for today. Pizza or Al sips for me.
you should protect Pelican. For some inexplicable reason scum want to kill him. will be interesting to see what happens. I am fairly certain we will have another day phase if we lynch scum today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riedquat
Wait, I don't understand. I see what your position is now, but I don't see how you arrived at the position that Pelican was attacked. And per your role, wouldn't you have been vulnerable to a nightkill (bulletproof only N1)?Quote:
Yet they went after Pelican. What does that say about GH?
Vote: Al Sipsclar
It's time to get the day started.
Vote: Montmorency
Can't let the perfect get in the way of the good.
This route leads to a town death, in my opinion. But it does cut down their numbers.
yes. But i am in many scum teams. So lynchbait...not going to be targeted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
What???Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Vote: Pizza
All townies should vote for pizza. thats our only chance.
Finally.
Unvote: Al Sipsclar
Vote: Pizza
What what?Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
Scum roleblocker needs to die today. Otherwise a townie dies tonight.
If that's what ends this game, I'm going to laugh. It's kind of the icing on the failure cake.
I guess I will say it one more time so everyone can keep up, even though it's been 90% of what I've talked about today.
Pay attention:
WE NEED TO LYNCH THE SCUM TEAM'S ROLEBLOCKER FIRST.
THAT IS NOT MONTMORENCY OR PELICAN. THAT MUCH I AM AWARE OF.
MONTY IS SCUM. HE'S NOT *THE* SCUM WE SHOULD BE LYNCHING.
Two people have reported being blocked this game.
Either we're both scum, or there is a scum roleblocker in play.
That *can* be GH, but that doesn't match how things have gone down, in my opinion.
It hasn't been too hard to figure out where I might be tracking, based on me being open about my suspects.
As such, with three scums, the only one I'm likely to catch with my tracking power is their roleblocker. Whoever that is, has been someone that hasn't been my top suspect each day.
Whoever has been doing the murder each night either has a ninja ability to dodge my tracking, or they've simply guessed correctly which scum needs to do the kill.
Given I haven't been anywhere close to the right person until the past couple rounds, it should have been easy for Monty to not kill two nights ago.
Since I tracked Monty that night, I'd be tracking a different person last night. Monty could then kill without me catching him.
All I can do with this frigging power is find their scum roleblocker, and I can only narrow it down to NOT Monty and NOT Pelican.
Not Al Sipsclar unless he missed a night, but given his low activity, that is possible.
If I'm talking to a wall, let's get this game done and over with. It's never going to be anyone's favorite game and I'm ready to move on.
Admittedly pretty silly of me to expect anyone to care about the strategic situation, only about any mafia at any cost.
That's too much of a stretch for a casual game. Fine. Lynch Monty, a townie dies, then we'll try to find scum blocker tomorrow.
I'll take a stab at glory here.
Vote: dp101
The guy literally no one ever wanted to lynch ever. Give Al Sips the benefit of the tracking null.
Monty- ninja or goon
dp101- scum roleblocker
atheotes or Al- last one
Reidquat- neutral protector guy
GH- Town jailkeep
Pizza- Town tracker
Pelican- Town vanilla
atheotes or Al- only townie left.
:inquisitive: You admit Monty is scum but do you want to catch a blocker out of the blue, because the hitman isn't Monty because when you tracked him, he did nothing? :inquisitive:
You have been barking at each other all the time but now you go different ways... ok, it is completely logical! What are your odds to get a scum? And what are the odds to get a blocker? You must be kidding!
Tally as of post 3008:
Lynch votes
2 votes: Askthepizzaguy (atheotes, Montmorency)
2 votes: Montmorency (Riedquat, Dp101)
1 votes: Dp101 (Askthepizzaguy)
Voting history:Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Honestly not sure if Pizza is town or scum based off of his vote on me. I feel mafia would know that trying to get me lynched is a futile endeavour, so they wouldn't vote for me unless they thought paranoia has set in among the village. On the other hand, a town would be fine trying to lynch someone who everyone thought was innocent because their priority is catching scum, not going along with groupthink.
It could also mean that you're partners and he's run out of room to throw shade.
Never tell me the odds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riedquat
It shouldn't be futile to lynch a villager under these circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
Right.... this would require Pelican to vote with me. Hahahahaha.
Oh this town is so boned.
Even if I put my townies as atheotes, GH, Pelican, and Al, there's literally no way.
Never kicking Reidquat out of the "neutral" category anyway.
But yeah, there's really no way that town functions as a unit here.
Reidquat voting Monty, so that's the only one that's gettable right now.
Vote: Montmorency
Tally as of post 3017:
Lynch votes
3 votes: Montmorency (Riedquat, Dp101, Askthepizzaguy)
2 votes: Askthepizzaguy (atheotes, Montmorency)
Voting history:Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Voting ends in:
Not voting - @Al Sipsclar, @GeneralHankerchief, @Pelican
It occurs to me that I've been talking to mafia all day, and my entire town is more or less awol.
I think there's a maximum of 1 other townie even voting at this moment.
vote: atheotes
dp, if you're town, vote with me. Again.
You're typically here for deadline switches.
If there's a cfd you can do one.
Not this time. Every time it has been a mistake, and I don't think the odds of it succeeding is any higher this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I'll offer you a cupcake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
What about Pelican? Would you lynch Pelican today?
Doubt it, I trust Quat and his scan of him didn't reveal him to be a threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
Generalhankerchief or Al Sipsclar? Either or?
Vote: Generalhankerchief
But you're willing to vote me with him. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
11 minute delay on that question seems a bit long.
I'm sorry for doing other things for any amount of time after your question. If you forced me to choose between those two, I would go Al.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Do you think he's the scum's roleblocker, and therefore, a higher value target than Monty?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
Nope. Delays are too long for me to do this, it's taking up too much of my RL time.
I've given up time I would spend with my wife on our vacation for this game, I just reached my limit.
Let's lynch Montmorency, keep it as simple as possible, and return to this question tomorrow.
vote: Montmorency
I'm sorry. :sad:
Now please die.
Wonder where is everybody.... I expect this don't go wrong... :stare:
Why don't you try voting for mafia? :brood:
If Riedquat wants to win with the scum, why he needs to lynch Monty? There are easier lynch targets.
Tally as of post 3037:
Lynch votes
3 votes: Montmorency (Riedquat, Dp101, Askthepizzaguy)
2 votes: Askthepizzaguy (atheotes, Montmorency)
Voting history:Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
I swear, if we lose this because 3 people don't vote, I will be rather ticked off.