Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

we might want to lynch all those who came up criminal... just to get it over with... from the top of my mind... that is Sasaki, GH, Andres and another one... but not 100% sure...

Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 13 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Charge, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrdrraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II)

GeneralHankerchief = 4 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar)

Glenn = 4 (Andres, CountArach, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)

Hannibalbarc = 5 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418)

Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)

Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)

Twilightblade = 1 (Tran)

Kagemusha = 2 (Caius, Glenn)

Abstain: 2 (Northnovas, Rythmic)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 8 (Tiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, husar)

Andres = 1 (Andres)

Abstain = 3 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II)

General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)

Kagemusha = 4 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas)

The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)

Caius = 1 (Caius)

TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)

Beefy187 = 1 (Kommodus)

Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)

Vacant = 1 (TinCow)

Im still dont believe you Tiberius

Vote:Tiberius of the Drake
Select Louis IV the Fat

keep the tally... and why are we lynching only one person??

Select: Louis VI the Fat I believe a good selection has arisen.

Oh, and since you can't hear me Ichigo - I don't like you.
Tee hee hee.

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Role

Agent

Victory Condition

You are a special agent sent in by the government. Your mission is to prevent future proliferation of Mafia activities. You are sanctioned to do whatever is necessary to achieve this goal.

Powers & Responsibilities

A. General:

1. You may not “break bad” as your loyalty to the government has decided the path of your life.

2. If your identity is at any time questioned, you are on your own as the government will deny your existence.

3. If you participate in two successful protection groups, you will have the option of becoming a doctor, but you will lose the abilities of your original role. This choice will only be given to you once.



5. red section cannot be revealed

B. Day Actions:

1. You vote/select as does any other player.

C. Night Actions:

1. If desired, you may combine with 3 other townies/ and or wiseguys to kill another player.

2. In addition, you may investigate one person each night. Once during the game you can perform two investigations in one night but there is a chance of your identity becoming known to one of the players being investigated.
3. You may participate in a townie protection group, but you cannot provide any protection value so any protection team where you are not an “extra” WILL fail.

D. Investigations:

1. It is most probable that, if investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will be discovered as “unclear” or “criminal” because of your secretive nature.You will only register as “guilty” on the night of a killing if you have participated in that killing.

2. When investigating a person, you will learn if they are “criminal” (Mades, Lucas, most Wise Guys), “Unclear” (Some Wise Guys, a few Townies) or “Innocent” (Dons, Most Townies, Detectives, Doctors, Surgeons, and the FBI Detective). Additional investigations of the same target have 1 chance in 6 of revealing the player’s starting role (1 in 36 for Dons).

Role changes:
You only may change your role if the circumstances mentioned above allow it.

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Originally Posted by Tiberius of the Drake

this is my role pm do you still doubt me?

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I don't believe you... you have been meddling with it!

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Originally Posted by The Stranger

keep the tally... and why are we lynching only one person??

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I don't know. While I still want Glenn to be lynched, I shall:

Unvote: Glenn
Vote: Hannibalbarc

I don't know exactly how accurate Holmes will be at this phase, though with well over 1000 posts I would hope it would be good.

Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 14 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Charge, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrdrraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos)

GeneralHankerchief = 4 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar)

Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)

Hannibalbarc = 6 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CountArach)

Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)

Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)

Twilightblade = 1 (Tran)

Kagemusha = 2 (Caius, Glenn)

Abstain: 2 (Northnovas, Rythmic)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 10 (Tiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, husar, Sarathos, Glenn)

Andres = 1 (Andres)

Abstain = 3 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II)

General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)

Kagemusha = 4 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas)

The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)

Caius = 1 (Caius)

TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)

Beefy187 = 1 (Kommodus)

Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)

Vacant = 1 (TinCow)

Ive glad I made it before the game ends.

Someone asked me about why I was attacked. As I explained before Pever tried to train a group of docter and I was selected randomly probebly because im his friend in RL and thought organise group to shoot me with cheap silly Uzis wouldnt wreck the friendship. :laugh4:

So I doubt the mafias wants me dead since I have trouble keeping up with the game. I thought I explained about the attempt on my life before. So I find it rather strange why you peoples brought it up again.:sweatdrop:

Vote: abstain

For this phase since I still got like 500 posts to read again..

Select: Husar

Husar always left good impressiong on me. So I will vote for him

Is there anywhere I can read an explanation of how Holmes works?
Has it always been completely accurate?

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Is there anywhere I can read an explanation of how Holmes works?
Has it always been completely accurate?

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Probably the most detailed summary of Holmes is here:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=78384

No, it isn't completely accurate, but it has an incredibly high degree of accuracy by the end.

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Select: Louis VI the Fat I believe a good selection has arisen.

Oh, and since you can't hear me Ichigo - I don't like you.
Tee hee hee.

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Good then we've come to an agreement.

Got myself a pm telling Kommodos is criminal. So I'm not going to listen to much to Kommodus this time.

select: JimBob

Vote: undecided, quite few guys I could vote. But need to do some talkin gbefore picking one.

Hey Beefy, welcome back!

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Originally Posted by Moros

Got myself a pm telling Kommodos is criminal. So I'm not going to listen to much to Kommodus this time.

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Care to share the lovin' around?

So, the "case" against me:

- Drisos says "Andres is guilty" without building up a case. Drisos the detective who didn't get any investigation results, since he died N1. The same Drisos who told TS via msn that he just randomly named Sigurd as a Don because he wanted to take somebody down with him after he got killed, just for fun.

- We have Sasaki (Sasaki, of all players !) who said I came up as "criminal" after investigation. The same Sasaki who got investigated and came up as "criminal" himself according to TS. And Sasaki backs his claim up with : "I promise that these results are 100 % accurate".

- We have CR who twisted Sasaki's words and said I came up as "guilty" (so, I'm no longer just criminal, all of the sudden, by a touch of magic, I'm guilty) after an investigation he probably didn't even saw himself. The same CR who posted that he was convinced Glenn was a Don and in that same post voted me. Oh, and I have to be guilty, because the Asian guy was alone, so his friend must have missed to send in his orders and that can only be Andres, because he got attacked last night (by the Barzini family = the mafia, no less, but let us all forget that, eh). Attacked and survived. I don't see how that means that I couldn't have performed my night actions.

Lynch me next round if you all really feel like you have to, but at least build a decent case against me because this is as ridiculous as lynching me because my name starts with an A.

And yes, I'm having a bad day. It's Monday.

Gah.

I want to repeat that Louis voted for GH and you still don't have it in your tallies...

When I said you can skip posts while reading this, I didn't mean my posts and not those of Louis either! :dizzy2: ~;)

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What possible good reason could I have to give immunity to someone I don't trust?

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Well, there's certain people that seem pro-town, and if they are, they should be protected, so they can keep up good work. I don't know why you don't see this? That's the reason I mentioned the S-word.

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Drisos says "Andres is guilty" without building up a case. Drisos the detective who didn't get any investigation results, since he died N1.

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I'm just saying to people I have my reasons to not trust you. Since I will be pointed out by Seamus as detective, townies will know that I'm on their side and my suspicion will hopefully play a role in converting them to lynch you.

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The same Drisos who told TS via msn that he just randomly named Sigurd as a Don because he wanted to take somebody down with him after he got killed, just for fun.

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That's a lie. Produced by TS first, so it's not your fault. TS was angry/etc that I named him as suspicious as wel, and so, he posted this lie. I didn't so anything for fun. I thought, and still think, you are guilty (made/luca/whatever) and Sigurd is your Don.

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Originally Posted by Drisos

I'm just saying to people I have my reasons to not trust you. Since I will be pointed out by Seamus as detective, townies will know that I'm on their side and my suspicion will hopefully play a role in converting them to lynch you.

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At least build up a case, analyse my posts or pm's, whatever. You did not get any investigation results. You said so yourself. So your suspicion must be based on my behavior in this thread or behind the scenes.

Please, put some effort in your accusations.

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Originally Posted by Drisos

That's a lie. Produced by TS first, so it's not your fault. TS was angry/etc that I named him as suspicious as wel, and so, he posted this lie.

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Well, if this is how we are going to play this game... Tell me, The Stranger, why should people continue to cooperate with you in this game if you're going to spread rumours like that just because you are "angry"?

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Originally Posted by Drisos

I didn't so anything for fun. I thought, and still think, you are guilty (made/luca/whatever) and Sigurd is your Don.

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Again, you didn't have investigation results (again: those are your own words!), so please, build up your case based on posts/behind the scene activity.

What happened to the heat on twilight? Unless they answer to why the sudden voting at the end then my lynch vote is on him.

Lynch : Twilightblade


On the issue of selection, I'm going to Select : Kagemusha. Don't trust him, but I trust the other candidates less!

Hmmm, a lot of stuff flying around. I'll be blunt and get right down to my vote.

Vote: Tiberius of the Drake

The evidence against him is just too overwealming. He claims to have invesitaged 2 people, but as a made he could have found out just those facts, it proves nothing. Then his agent pm has some very suspicious looking parts, particuarly the numbering skipping and notice the lack of a line of space between two of the lines lower down. It just dosn't feel right. Not to mention the straight evidence against him.

As for the "importance" of Beefy. I get the feeling Beefy was just a target for the mafia, someone to cull down from the mass of townies, afterall he was a member of a protection group (If I remember correctly).

I would also like to point to the attempted attack on taka. This to me seems JUST like the event we had with beefy the night before. I'm guessing they both have some sort of "luck" special ability, it would make a lot of sense. That being the case, I think its probably safe to assume them both townies (or very powerful special roles). I think however that this could be a useful indication of their innocence. For that reason I would like to:

Select: Beefy

There has also been the idea about making a tie vote. Last time that backfired on us horribly, and someone who was assumed dead lived on (for better or worse). For that reason, I'm not taking risks with my vote anymore. But furthermore, while the idea of a double lynch is a very very poweful one, I just don't see it practically happening. There are just so many ways it could go wrong.

I'd also like to know more about Holmes. So far Hannibalbarc seems to me to just be a fairly innacitve player, and compared to a lot of suspects, he has a lot of votes on him. I'd just like to know what holmes is actualy looking for and the exact specifics if possible, because to me it just sounds like we are taking your word that this is the truth and that you arn't just making the results up (we'd never be able to trace you would we)....

I do think we are making progress though, the mafia are being weeded out one by one, keep up the deduction everyone.

Considering there are people out there far more suspicious, like Kagemusha, I don't see why Twilightblade needs to be lynched when Andres has a larger, "Case", against him and is being delayed until tomorrow!

The only people I have seen against Twilight so far are suspected-mafiosos nitpicking and taking the attention away from where it's needed.

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It looks like Stranger is ratting on the right people to the wrong people.
Has anybody investigated him yet?

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Kommodus the criminal.
Come forward Kommodus, are you a wiseguy too?

Speaking of nit-picking, why are you really voting for Kagemusha?
He has shown a more despicable character in public than Louis, or any other candidate, and gladly took the bait I offered him in defense of himself and FactionHeir.
Are you involved in this little blur? Or are you just voting for him because you both have Shogun: Total War avatars?

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Considering there are people out there far more suspicious, like Kagemusha, I don't see why Twilightblade needs to be lynched when Andres has a larger, "Case", against him and is being delayed until tomorrow!

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I cannot be lynched today, because I'm the director.

What case against me Glenn? Several people said "he's guilty" without backing up their claims in a believable, non ridiculous way? Or is it just because my name starts with an A?

I was referring to how you said, "Case", in a dismissive, mocking way.
Don't mind me, I've been accused of both crimes and idiocy!

However, I don't believe you are guilty, but I do believe you are criminal.
So do several other people so I see.
Are you willing to reveal yourself as so many others have done?

What is your connection to The Stranger?


(Also, I forgot about directors.. Kommodus and Andres.. Kommodus and Andres... Criminal and Criminal...)

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Originally Posted by Chimpyang

What happened to the heat on twilight? Unless they answer to why the sudden voting at the end then my lynch vote is on him.

Lynch : Twilightblade

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Yes, it seems everyone let him get away after the killing lynching of pevergreen.

In other note, I will Select: Abstain as the new director.

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Originally Posted by Glenn

What is your connection to The Stranger?

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We both speak Dutch.

That's a good start.
How about my other question?
Here is my post.
"I was referring to how you said, "Case", in a dismissive, mocking way.
Don't mind me, I've been accused of both crimes and idiocy!

However, I don't believe you are guilty, but I do believe you are criminal.
So do several other people so I see.
Are you willing to reveal yourself as so many others have done?

What is your connection to The Stranger?


(Also, I forgot about directors.. Kommodus and Andres.. Kommodus and Andres... Criminal and Criminal...)


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Has anyone seen Tran around before?
Introduce yourself properly Tran, what do you make of all this hulabaloo?
Who do you think is guilty?
Twilightblade?
Why?

Here is what we know about Mr. Tran.

Mr. Tran has made very few posts in this thread.
One was in inexplained, open support of Andres.

The other two were made to attack Twilightblade and bring him under suspicion without any real reason.
He has made no other attempts to diffuse anything, he just appears to comfort Andres and attack Twilightblade whom he assumed related to me.


Now. This is good, I recommend everyone to take note of the players who post the least and go back through their history.
See what they have posted.
There are remarkable patterns in speech!

Sorry for the double post, especially to you dear Sarathos.

Slow down on the double repost there Glenn.

Btw, What are the rules on lurkers Seamus?

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Originally Posted by Andres

I cannot be lynched today, because I'm the director.

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We lynched 2 directors in Capo 1: The Chief of Police himself, and the Wolf. Directors cannot be nightkilled, but they're not immune to execution.

Is it just me, or does Sarathos sound a overly flippant and easily lead? A few of his posts are fairly off-topic, and I don't think he's come up with any reason for his actions beyond "everybody else is doing it". Of course this could be dismissed as inexperience (he hasn't played in a very large number of mafia games), but since he hasn't acted like this previously, it makes me feel a little weary of him.

On the topic of GH, I find his argument here regarding WIFOM fairly hard to follow. Could you explain it in a little more detail please GH?

Woah Omanes, I do acknowledge my inexperience, this is my frist very large mafia game and my first mafia game for quite some time. But I have reasons behind every post, they just happen to be the same as everyone else. Plus most of the lynched votes I have posted have been from solid information which everyone else's came from. And may I ask, how am I acting differently?

As for my previous post, I simply wanted to know the rule about lurkers because there seems to be a rather large number of them. Notice how there are 76 people alive and only about 20 are active....