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They've said a couple times that they have multiple win conditions.
How about your win conditions, Mister "I'm in contact with a Made" :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
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Classic, Louis. :laugh4:
just want to say thanks to Ajaxfetish, his posts are keeping me up to date with this game, thanks dude.
This is main thread post #3045
"We are beasts
Out of the light, into the dark
Hatred grows inside of me
Like a torch it is burning high
Step into my mind….
My true face shows disharmony
I am my own reality…
Open your eyes and look"
-- Teatre
Summary, Night Eleven
Warluster had enjoyed a quiet dinner at his favorite café. Though on the committee, he had seldom voted and had only rarely spoken up with his opinion. He had been present, but had chosen not to stand out. His low profile would not be enough protection.
He was walking for his car when he saw the shrouded figures detach themselves from the shadows between and in front of the buildings across the street. Warluster raced for his car – a car he’d had retrofitted into a “Fatlington Special” with armor and bullet resistant glass. If he could get inside, he’d stand a chance and might even be able to use the car for a counterattack. He reached the door and pulled on the handle. It didn’t budge. Someone had thoughtfully spot-welded the door shut.
<<Click. Click. Click. Click. Click.>>
Warluster heard the bolts of the gunmens’ weapons click back as they readied to fire. He spun himself, going for a handgun, but was much too late. He cleared his pistol from its holster, but didn’t even get it up and level before the first shells from the sustained bursts by all 5 Tommy guns slammed into him. He took more than 30 hits on his body armor along with a dozen grazes and hits in the arms and legs, slamming back into the door of the car.
Warluster was built tough. Despite the wounds, he stayed focused and brought his gun up, firing a quick double tap just before all five Tommy gunners let loose with a second burst. With wounds and shock hampering his aim, both of Warluster’s shots missed…his attackers. Draco Leman, sitting in a café on the opposite side of the street took both slugs square in the face, depositing his brains across half a dozen other café patrons. Despite all of his injuries, Warluster had still managed a tight shot group.
Warluster died more or less the same way. His attackers, by some unspoken but fully shared agreement, let their second bursts drift high. Most of the shots still hit Warlusters arms or body armor, but 3 slammed into his head bringing the tough man down.
Seconds later, a 6th shrouded gunmen jogged up.
“When’s the hit?”
His partners looked at him, then looked back at Warluster’s body.
“Oh, a bit late. Sorry.”
With the first five shaking their heads, all of them made their way back under the cloak of darkness.
Myrddraal was proving a source of vexation to the two men currently staring at him through the crosshairs of their 10X-scoped Garands. There was simply no way to get a good bead on him. He didn’t move at a consistent pace, he would seemingly effortlessly put a lamppost or step railing or group of tourists between himself and one of the shooters. His movements were unpredictable and he didn’t leave any real opening for an attack.
Then another figure walked out of an alley and confronted Myrddraal. This man was masked and clad in a jet black, high-collared frock coat bearing a silver sword pin on one collar point and a gold and red dragon on the other. He held a five-foot black wooden staff with a silvery-sharp 15” blade on one end. Myrddraal stopped and the masked figure spoke.
“Shall we dance, Eyeless?”
Myrddraal leapt back two steps as his attacker whirled the Ashenderi through a deadly arc. Despite his swift reactions, the tip of the blade had still slashed a shallow rent across the face of his thick body armor. Myrddraal slipped sideways and went for his gun as his attacker moved forward with a thrusting attack. He side-slipped that attack and hit his attacker with a pair of shots from the .38 he carried, driving him back but failing to knock him down Apparently the coat was not just for looks..
“You’ll need to do better then that, half-man!”
The bladesman moved forward with a rapid series of attacks, pressing Myrddraal and forcing him to block at least two strikes by using the revolver as a shield – it would be useless thereafter as anything else.
Coming to Myrddraal’s aid, Caeser the III darted out from the crowd of onlookers gathered at the windows and doorway of the store in front of which the two men were “dancing” and attempted to tackle the bladesman. Caeser was fast, but not quite fast enough. Just as he reached the bladesman, the ashenderi had been spun and brought back in a rapid back-spike. The blade punched through Caeser’s ribs, transfixing him sideways through the chest. Myrddraal dropped his useless gun and pulled his backup piece from a leg-holder.
Eyes wide with shock, the dying Caeser the III grabbed the bladesman’s mask and then collapsed, unmasking Myrddraal’s attacker and wrenching the ashenderi from his grip. Myrddraal stopped in surprise.
“Twilightblade?”
Whatever ‘blade's answer would have been, Myrddraal never heard it. The shock of seeing Twilightblade as his attacker had caused him to pause in place for the first time all night. Both shots struck above his left ear within an inch of each other and traveling at different deadly angles. The right side of his skull blew outward like a shattered melon, spraying the onlookers in the store and bringing the whole dark affair to a shocked conclusion. Myrddraal was dead before he hit the pavement.
In the stunned silence following, ‘blade bent down and, with some effort, retrieved his weapon. He was gone into the night before the stunned onlookers could gather themselves to move. Moments later, one of the shooters used the milling crowd surrounding the macabre scene as cover and dropped a piece of parchment bearing a message in Gothic script: “il destino e inesorabile.”
Few of the witnesses gave a consistent version of events to the investigators and none knew where the parchment had come from. Only one component was consistent across all of their stories. One member of the Committee of Vigilance could look forward to a lot of questions the next day.
Morning Meeting, Day Twelve
“…well, as odd as it sounds, that’s what our witnesses report,” said Commissioner Fermanagh.
“Our longer term investigations have produced the following results. Roadkill and Alexander the Pretty Good were honest townies with no apparent crime connections. Big King Sanctaphrax and Haudegen were both WiseGuys, but neither seemed to have any links whatsoever to the mafia. In fact, that may have been why Huadegen was killed. We’re unable to figure out what was going on with Hiji. He was, by all accounts, a very straight-laced citizen with no criminal record or leanings whatsoever. His apartment was barren, save for a cot, a stool in the kitchen, and a large wooden cross. His storage closet outside contained a pair of shears, 50 yards of mid-gauge wire on a spool and about 2000 feet of nylon cord, also on a spool. Makes no sense to us.”
Fermanagh exited the large meeting room with its bloodstained floor. Proletariat went over the procedures again before adjourning the meeting.
OOC
1. Lynch Voting begins for Day 12. This phase will conclude at 1600 EST on 6 March 2008 (2100 GMT).
2. Current List of Players:
Still Alive: (22) Brave Sir Robin, Caius, CountArach, Craterus, Elite Ferret, gibsonsg91921, Ironside, JimBob, Joe Monks, Jubal_Barca, Kagemusha, KukriKhan, Leet Erikson, norwegian nerd, Proletariat, Sasaki Kojiro, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Twilightblade, Xehh II.
Attacked: (33) Andres (N2, N3), Beefy187 (N1), Brave Sir Robin (N7), Caius (N3), Charge (N9), Craterus (N6), Crazed Rabbit (N6), Cowhead418 (N2), Elite Ferret (N10), Evil_Maniac from Mars (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N2, N3), Glenn (N1, N2), Ichigo (N9), Kagemusha (N6), Proletariat (N4, N4, N5, N6, N7, N8, N9), Sasaki Kojiro (N5, N7), taka (N2), Tran (N5, N7, N8), TinCow (N7), Twilightblade (N4, N5), Xdeathfire (N1)
Murdered: (32) Drisos (N1), Lord Winter (N2), Beefy187 (N3), Glenn (N3), Pannonian (N3), taka (N3), The Stranger (N3), Zorg (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N4), Kommodus (N4), Moros (N4), Xiahou (N4), Chimpyang (N5), Kamikhaan (N5), Motep (N5), Rythmic, (N5), woad&fangs (N5), ajaxfetish (N6), FactionHeir (N6), Lt. Pinard (N6), Louis VI the Fat (N6), Husar (N7), NorthNovas (N7), Makanyane (N8), Sarathos (N8), Tran (N8), Haudegen (N9), Cowhead418 (N10), Ichigo (N10), LittleGrizzly (N10), Myrddraal (N11), Warluster (N11).
Killed During an Attack: (1) Evil_Maniac from Mars (N8).
Lynched: (11) pevergreen (D2), Hannibalbarca (D3), Tiberius of the Drake (D3), Omanes Alexandrapolites (D4), Andres (D5), Xdeathfire (D6), Dutch_guy (D7), Sigurd Fafnesbane (D8), Hiji (D9), Crazed Rabbit (D10), Charge (D11)
Removed from Play: (13) Fahad I (D4), Killfr3nzy (D4), x-dANGEr (D4), Sapi (N4), Warmaster Horus (N5), Rob_the_Celt (N5), molonthegreat (N5), johnhughthom (D8), Alexander the Pretty Good (N9), Big King Sanctaphrax (N9), Roadkill (N9), Caeser the III (N11), Draco Leman (N11)
Sasaki Kojiro – Your Friendly Neighborhood Don
An In-Depth Look at the Man, the Myth, the Legend
Sasaki has made much of helping the town over the course of the game, but in reality his story has more holes in it than his pal Ichigo’s corpse. Let’s take a closer look at this fortunate son of Fatlington.
First, Sasaki has been investigated by a 100% confirmed townie detective. He was found innocent, so no wiseguy, Made, or Luca for him. Of course, no one knows Sasaki’s role better than the man himself. I asked him earlier, and this is what he said:
Ah, so Sasaki is a Doctor! Yet, Sasaki certainly isn’t acting in a very doctor-like manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
(emphasis added)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Protection groups aren’t important? He claims to be a Doctor! His entire role is designed to keep townies alive! In fact, Sasaki’s so eager to abandon protection groups that he has claimed to have been personally participating in vigilante groups, specifically Charge on N9, Ichigo on N10, and Warluster on N11. More on those hits later, though. Instead, let’s take a closer look at this claimed role of his. Let’s start right back at the beginning, with Sasaki’s actions on N1:
So, Sasaki is a Doctor, yet he chooses to join a protection group on the first night, instead of protecting by himself? Why would a doctor do that? However, we need not even bother attempting to figure that conundrum out, because there is conclusive proof that Sasaki was not a Doctor on N1. For lack of any reason to trust anyone, I simply submitted the orders pevergreen gave me (protect Beefy187), instead of those Sasaki gave me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
However, the results I was sent by Seamus were about Pannonian. Clearly, the rest of the group had gone with Sasaki’s suggestion and protected Pannonian, rather than Beefy187:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Pay particular attention to the “Note” Seamus added. He specifically stated that the protection would have failed if Pannonian had been attacked. At the time, I assumed this was because there was confusion about whether our group was protecting Beefy187 or Pannonian. However, even if this was true, if Sasaki was a Doctor the protection should have succeeded. The fact that the protection would have failed proves beyond a doubt that Sasaki did not start the game as a Doctor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
So, that means the only way he could have become a doctor was if he started as a townie, participated in 2 successful protection attempts, and his fellow protectors selected him as the choice for Doctor promotion. There is one tiny little problem with this: there has only been one successful “townie” protection during the entire game, namely the protection of Proletariat on N5. Even giving Sasaki the benefit of the doubt, and assuming he was present there, there is no way he could have gotten a promotion to Doctor, because there was never a second successful townie protection. Therefore, Sasaki cannot be a Doctor and he is lying when he says he is.
While that by itself is certainly sufficient information to lynch anyone, I am only getting warmed up. Let’s turn to some more interesting occurrences.
I present to you a list of murder victims:
What do all these people have in common? Why, they were all working with the townie vigilante and protection groups, or aiding the town in some other manner. All of them! Every last one! They were also all killed by only two families, the Roses and the Italian Destiny. It seems remarkably coincidental that these two families could consistently hit people working with the town every single night for 5 consecutive nights, without ever selecting a person outside of the townie groups. Too coincidental actually. Friar William of Ockham would insist that such a coincidence could mean only one thing: that someone inside the townie network has been feeding the identities of the town participants to the mafia.Quote:
Chimpyang (N5)
ajaxfetish (N6)
Lt. Pinard (N6)
Husar (N7)
Sarathos (N8)
Haudegen (N9)
Cowhead418 (N10)
LittleGrizzly (N10)
“But TinCow!” I hear you cry, “surely many people knew that those victims were working with the town. How can you be certain it was Sasaki?” An excellent point, my fellow Fatlingtonians! The answer is quite simple, really. The answer is Cowhead418. You see, as I revealed after his death, Cowhead418 was a detective; a devoted servant of the town, sworn to root out evil and injustice. His identity was known ONLY to JimBob, Crazed Rabbit, and myself. Well, not quite, you see.
I am, what some of you might call, a Mafia n00b. I have never engaged in this ‘game’ before, and have thus made a few errors that more experienced players would not have. One of those errors occurred during my desperate attempts to save Crazed Rabbit from the lynch on D10. As part of these efforts, I contacted Sasaki directly by PM and gave him further evidence about Crazed Rabbit’s actions in an attempt to convince him to halt his attack on our wonderful FBI Detective. While doing this, I forwarded a PM to Sasaki from JimBob that included a list of all of our detective results, because Sasaki was interested in knowing the precise date and time that we started receiving them from Crazed Rabbit. When I did this, I put XXXXXX in the place of all ‘unrevealed’ detective names. Or so I thought.
It turns out, I made a n00b error, and missed a reference to Cowhead418 that was elsewhere in the PM. His name was in plain sight for Sasaki to see. Guess what happened on N10? That’s right, Cowhead418 was murdered by the Italian Destiny family. The night immediately after Sasaki got a hold of Cowhead418’s identity.
Now, let’s get right back to those hits I was talking about earlier. Specifically, the N9 hit and N10 hits on Ichigo. If you read the write-up of the N10 hit carefully, you will notice and exceedingly unusual part of Ichigo’s death:
The meaning of this is plain to see. Someone on this hit team was a friend of Ichigo and regretted his death! Who could this be? Perhaps there is a clue in the nature of the message itself. The note was written on a “banner.” Who else uses banners, regularly? That’s right, the Italian Destiny family, who have consistently killed people working with the townies for many nights now. And who is friends with Ichigo? Could that answer be found in the victim’s very own, self-given forum title? If you are not aware, it reads, simply: “Vote:Sasaki” Good advice, perhaps.Quote:
Inside was a banner with a short message: “Sorry, buddy.” Nobody could explain this.
Yet, more protests come from the back of the room. “But TinCow, haven’t you said that Sasaki organized the hits for N9? Why would he hit his own friend?” Ah, but that’s not entirely true. Sasaki picked the make-up of the groups for N9, but he did not pick the targets. I picked the targets, and given the heavy evidence against Ichigo at the time, disagreeing with a hit on him would be been a silly move for a smart Don like Sasaki. So, instead of trying to stop Ichigo from being hit, he suggested a group arrangement that he knew would help him, as you saw from the PM quoted above. The people in the Ichigo hit were myself, Haudegen, and CountArach. As we all know, that hit went belly-up. Only two people showed up, and one of the participants, Haudegen, was murdered by the Rose mafia.
So, what could have caused it to fail? Perhaps because one of the members was working with Sasaki, perhaps? Clearly it was not me, because I am trying to get him lynched. Do any of you honestly believe that it was Haudegen, a person who had successfully participated in the vigilante kills on Factionheir (N6), Northnovas (N7), and Tran (N8)? No, it could only be CountArach. Yet more protests from the back of the room. “But TinCow, didn’t you just say that Ichigo had a special ability that could have stopped people from showing up to the hit?” Indeed he did, my good man. But as you will notice if you read back over this thread, the results I got when that happened included a lengthy text description about failing to show up and getting a severe headache, which my sources tell me is a side effect of this ability being used. Yet neither CountArach, Haudegen, nor myself got any such text in our results from Seamus. So, the ability cannot have been used. If there is further doubt about CountArach’s story, I need only tell you that he was found guilty by a detective who will remain anonymous on N10. When asked about it, this was his response:
So, a guilty result from a confirmed Detective that CountArach cannot explain. Mighty suspicious, if you ask me. Did I mention that CountArach also voted to lynch Crazed Rabbit, along with Sasaki and that “buddy” of the Italian Destiny family, Ichigo? Good to know that the mafia vote in blocs.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
“What else do you have there in your bag of tricks, TinCow?” I hear you ask. Well, how about this: as soon as Sasaki was informed that Crazed Rabbit was the FBI Detective, he immediately spearheaded the bandwagon to get Crazed Rabbit lynched! Despite a great deal of evidence that shed doubt on Sasaki’s accusations, he refused to relent or even to delay for one day to see if Crazed Rabbit’s results on Makanyane were accurate. He would not even wait one day for a man who might have been the all-important FBI Detective. Ah, let me pull another PM out here. One moment please, while I locate it. Ah, here it is, fresh from last night:
Sasaki seems very concerned about not accidentally killing Twilightblade and Joe Monks, even though they have unexplained criminal results and have no record of helping the town. That’s mighty generous from a person who was not even willing to wait one day to check on the information regarding the FBI Detective. It should also be noted that he had absolutely no problems in going after Warluster on N11, even though the evidence against him was exactly the same (one criminal result), as against Twilightblade and Joe Monks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Need we also forget that Sasaki has blatantly admitted to being directly in touch with a Made from the start of the game? What does he have to say about that one?
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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Red text? A convenient excuse, especially for a man who is lying about his role. Wouldn’t the simplest explanation simply be that the Made was from his own family?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Finally, let us not forget that Sasaki was attacked on N7 by the Stracchi. Fortunately for him, his life was saved by a single individual. Doctor or Luca? As it turns out, Sasaki was informed ahead of time (at my suggestion and via JimBob) that he was going to be attacked. So, Sasaki DID have time to arrange for his own protection beforehand. Yet he did not turn to a townie group to do that, he turned to one individual. Despite all of this evidence, I am sure that Sasaki will claim that it was a Doctor that he knew personally, since how else could he have gotten one to help him on such short notice? Yet, how and when exactly did he locate this Doctor pal of his? Will the kindly fellow please step forward? No? I thought not.
So, I shall sum up this detailed look into this dear friend of Fatlington by quoting the immortal words of the recently deceased Ichigo:
Vote: Sasaki
Never was there a neck more worthy of a noose.
FoS: CountArach
FoS: Twilightblade (As if that is even necessary after N11.)
FoS: Joe Monks
FoS: Kagemusha (If Sasaki wasn’t protecting him, who was?)
Hi Tincow, I never claimed to be a doctor. My pm to you was this:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
You took this to mean I was a doctor which I was more than happy to let you do. I figured if I turned up dead it meant you were guilty, and also you started to let me in on what was going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
As you seem to have forgotten, my plan on the night Kagemusha was attacked was to have a vig group attack a target that was protected by a protection group:
But as you can see you and haudegen had other plans, fortunately others from the vig group had other plans as well. Two attackers showed up with me as the lone defender. I don't believe don's can protect people in townie groups (Omanes said this a while back) ergo I must be innocent.Quote:
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Originally Posted by TinCow
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Originally Posted by Seamus
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Originally Posted by ajaxfetish
I believe these two were the two attackers in the kage attempted hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brave_Sir_Robin
I may be incorrect about don's not appearing in prot groups (we only have omanes' word anyway) but that is what I believed at the time and is why I gave you that reason "which don's can't do".
If it's really necessary I can go through the rest of these accusations. I picked this one for now. I was protected by Myrdraal, the surgeon. We had been in contact previously. He sent me a pm about my made source and my answer satisfied him enough that he trusted me with his identity.Quote:
Finally, let us not forget that Sasaki was attacked on N7 by the Stracchi. Fortunately for him, his life was saved by a single individual. Doctor or Luca? As it turns out, Sasaki was informed ahead of time (at my suggestion and via JimBob) that he was going to be attacked. So, Sasaki DID have time to arrange for his own protection beforehand. Yet he did not turn to a townie group to do that, he turned to one individual. Despite all of this evidence, I am sure that Sasaki will claim that it was a Doctor that he knew personally, since how else could he have gotten one to help him on such short notice? Yet, how and when exactly did he locate this Doctor pal of his? Will the kindly fellow please step forward? No? I thought not.
Mighty fine speech there Tincow. It must have taken quite a while of time and effort to write it down. As you claim to be the one behind the whole town effort against mafia and you seem to find someone new to point finger at each new day. Could i ask couple questions? First why are you forgetting Kukrikhan and scottishranger consistently out of your suspects? Second, based on the very helpful list´s made by Ajaxfetish, there seems to be a single family called Cunnio, which no one knows nothing about and it seems the family doesnt kill either. Could it be that this family has masquared itself looking something quite different then a mafia family? I would be interested to hear your thoughts conserning these issues.:yes:
Sasak: Care to explain:
Who your doctor friend was on N7?
Why people working with the town have been regularly and accurately targeted by two mafia families since the time you began working with our group?
Why Cowhead was killed immediately after you found out his identity, when no one else knew?
How you conveniently had access to a Made's detective results?
Why you were willing to kill Warluster without only a criminal result, when you weren't willing to do the same with Twilightblade or Joe Monks?
How an Italian Destiny banner showed up in a vigilante hit on Ichigo?
Kagemusa:
You are correct that I left people off. I was just listing those that had FoS raised by the Sasaki evidence. There are other people as well, including gibsonsg91921, who I have repeatedly stated is mafia, yet I also left off. As for Kukri, I know he is pro-town and I have been working with him for a long time.
Also re:doctor, I sent this pm to jimbob right after you told me that you thought I was a doctor.
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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Already explained.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
You knew all of these things as well. More on this in a minute.Quote:
Why people working with the town have been regularly and accurately targeted by two mafia families since the time you began working with our group?
Why Cowhead was killed immediately after you found out his identity, when no one else knew?
I've explained this. I've also noticed that myrdraal trusted my explanation enough to reveal that he was the surgeon many rounds ago.Quote:
How you conveniently had access to a Made's detective results?
The town judged warluster worthy of death and he had a chance to defend himself. I wanted t'blade and joe to have the same chance.Quote:
Why you were willing to kill Warluster without only a criminal result, when you weren't willing to do the same with Twilightblade or Joe Monks?
A banner showed up, it was in english however. I'm assuming one of the six of us was a buddy of Ichigo. You were the only one involved in a failed hit on Ichigo earlier.Quote:
How an Italian Destiny banner showed up in a vigilante hit on Ichigo?
Allright.So let me get this straight. You are aware of confirmed mafiosi, but still you and Sasaki had difference in opinion to whether criminals should be be vig killed while there are actually guilty people running around alive. Seems like a pretty strange priority. Btw can i ask, what is your own status currently, will you come out as guilty in case you are investigated?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
The only guilty person I was aware of was gibson. Here is what I said to Sasaki about him, which is the exact same thing I've been saying since we killed Northnovas many nights ago:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
My status is wiseguy and I will show up very, very guilty since I have killed: Factionheir, Northnovas, Tran, and Warluster.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Seamus; how'd you know!Quote:
Warluster was built tough.
I'm happy I died rather then was lynched. Though I still remain to provide my opinion on the situation.
Couple questions/ideas:
1. Why don't we select Tincow as director?
2. Maybe Twilightblade was revealed because Myrdraal's possible surgeon ability identified him and should have killed him, but because Myrdrall is dead, it only revealed Twilightblade?
3. Couple days ago, I asked Sasaki what I can do for the town (I did almost nothing this game :shame:) But he replied, "Ask Jimbob", when Jimbob was already gone for several days at that point...
Will vote tomorrow when I get back from school.
Pardon, but the correct plural referrant is "Fatlings." Fatling is the root word I used to name the town, actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
You may now return to your regularly scheduled lynch discussions.
Absolutely spiffin' history, TinCow!
I thought you were dead.. But I have discovered an interesting, strange thing on the discovery that you were alive...
You have not even once been attacked?
EDIT:
This comment is a mistake - TinCow is misrepresented in SF's write-up.
I am a fickle, terrible player who loves to stir people up to make mistakes, but even still,
I hope everyone will find something strange in the fact that an active player - whom I believe to be pro-town - has never once been targeted.
Is this an anomaly, TinCow, or because of your close encounters with the Mafia, and their trust of you therefore?
Would you share then if you have the role of Wiseguy or not?
Good job on keeping the finger pointed at Kagemusha.
He ask alot of questions and write many paragraphs to clear his name.
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Oh, and Louis - I think you may have misspelt my name.
"Bee dee dee dee - Hang y' head and cry silly Louis..."
I believe you'll find that I was attacked on N7 and survived by luck. I have expected my death every night since then. I believe I have been allowed to live, because I have been useful to Sasaki as cover. As with every other night since N7, I expect to die tonight.
I would expect to die too, I'm sorry for that mistake, I will edit it out.
You are not mentioned in the reports of Seamus Fermanagh.
But would you mind, Herr Cow, explaining why the attack happened on Night 7?
Believe me, it is rather helpless when you die with the smallest amount of information left unannounced.
(Hint, hint).
So may I suggest that, if you will die, or even if you otherwise have protection, may I suggest that you do the big "R"?
Documents, recordings, PMs and speculations.
It will be just like the finale of those detective movies.
No reconsideration of your vote then TinCow? What are you basing it on now?
I would guess it is based on the fact you are lime-green scum.
Perhaps people will keep this in mind next time you start a bandwagon randomnly on Day 1.
Don't forget my suggestion, Herr Cow - please reveal everything when things are seeming grim.
But by all means don't rush that decision, timing is quite important I understand.
Have you always been a wiseguy?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Glenn: I have no idea why I was attacked. You'll have to ask the attacker. If you want a 'reveal' from me, I'll post my townie role PM and then my wiseguy role PM, but that seems pointless since they are both commonly available.
Sasaki: I stopped waffling on you after that N9 fiasco with Ichigo. I am basing my vote on the absolutely overwhelming evidence that you have done a very poor job of rebutting. My hat is off to you, though. I had no friggin' clue what to think about you for most of the game. I've probably sent out 20 PMs to various people asking what your reputation is and what their opinion is on you. You are truly a master of this game.
Ooooo you rat, you've always been despised - by everyone!
This time they were all right too!
Just look at your avatar! No townie hides their face like that.
Everybody who is just skimming the last page -
I refer you to TinCow's brilliant history of;
Sasaki Kojiro - The Mafia, the Myth, the Lynching.
Now available in paperback.
(Previous page!)
Oh God I wish I was able to post PMs right about now.
So when you said "please reveal this "doctor friend" who protected you", and I said "myrdraal", this constitutes a poor rebuttal?Quote:
Sasaki: I stopped waffling on you after that N9 fiasco with Ichigo. I am basing my vote on the absolutely overwhelming evidence that you have done a very poor job of rebutting. My hat is off to you, though. I had no friggin' clue what to think about you for most of the game. I've probably sent out 20 PMs to various people asking what your reputation is and what their opinion is on you. You are truly a master of this game.
How about this?
My red text put me in contact with a made. At a certain point in the game, myrdraal contacted me. He had similar red text and wished to test if mine was genuine. We discussed at as much as we could within the restraints. He believed I was telling the truth about it, thought not trusting me entirely (he told me someone else was the doctor first to see if they turned up dead). Now, why would a don have red text putting him in contact with a made?
Sorry to restrict you thus.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
PLEASE do include what you would have said during your postgame writeup.
Herr Cow, you have no further information other than your role PMs?
I only survived a few short days, yet I had a wide range of opinions and intelligence from several players, I knew a hell of a lot more than what was simply involving me. (And I enjoyed it too!)
So you, who are still alive on day 12, have no contacts or evidence aside from this biography of Sasaki?
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We should all credit Sasaki, he is a fine player.
Somehow, our respect for his style and ability must be shown in gratitude.
I say we throw up him as a monument to this town.
Everyone who agrees, based on his history and his character, and TinCow's excellent biography - please;
Vote 1 for Sasaki Kojiro on this, our beautiful day 12.
You didn't answer this question but I found it in an old post of yours:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
In this post, where you are describing your attempt to form a mafia family, you not that you were a townie. Given this rule from the townie pm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tincow
Why did you choose to become a wiseguy instead of staying a townie?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rules
Am I allowed to allude/paraphrase?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Trust a WoG victim to reveal me
It seems that my revealing caused Myrddraal to get shot, not my intention
What is your role?Quote:
Originally Posted by Twilightblade
GeneralHankerchief -
From experience, you can come nigh close to beating the information into the audience with a hammer, as long as you don't blankly reveal.
To be polite however, it seems best to be obscure and poetic.
*** Just a reminder to everyone ***
This entire page is not about TwilightBlade or his role.
It is about the scum scooper Sasaki getting stuck like a pig.
....Kinda obvious...that was a dumb question Sasaki....YOUR OWN MADE POSSIBLY???Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I have trusted TinCow since...what...day 6??
Vote: Sasaki
I might miss the rest of this day phase...i will let you know if you can prove yourself innocent i will withdraw my vote...but TinCow is one helluva writer...nice Biography TC.
I'm pretty sure you're allowed to say something like "TinCow is full of it" or perhaps "lynch TinCow".Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
That wouldn't be red text, it would be normal text. I guess Myrdraal isn't allowed to shed much light on this being dead, perhaps Norwegian Nerd will?Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
TinCow thought you were guilty at one point TP.
This is getting pretty weird. A serial killer type of role has been revealed last night and Tincows crew is voting for Sasaki, which is more of a priority? Or do you have some hidden agenda to get Sasaki out from the picture as soon as possible? I think will vote the revealed killer instead of blindly trusting Tincows crew,who seem to be guilty each of them while there is a somehow invisible mafia family at large. Vote: Twilightblade
Hey I didn't killQuote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
I just happened to stun the victim with my identity thus allowing him to get shot. I expected to fail the same as before
Quick reminder on vote tallies.
I'm sorry, I would do it if I understood how to without either taking an hour or making a mistake... I don't mean for this to be spam, so I'll make it meaningful.
Sasaki has been exposed properly by TinCow, in the controversial unauthorised biography entitled;
Sasaki Kojiro - The Mafia, The Man, The Lynch-him-dead.
Now available on page 102.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I really am sick of that being said a bunch...here is the story for all those wondering...
I am lacking in names and dont feel like going back as my internet is bad, so bear with me, but TinCow and JimBob (still not here...) can confirm this.
After grouping with Sasaki, JimBob sent me a PM asking me what i was doing that night. I told him nothing, since Sasaki didnt send out the PMs yet. He sent me some orders to kill Tran.
Needless to say, the hit failed, and the TinCow/JimBob combo became suspicious (without telling me of course). Their plan was to see who didnt send in the orders. They sent me a PM to attack the same person.
I was the only person to send in the orders. That was the test.
In the write-up, Seamus included me in a hit on FactionHeir(?) instead of a single attempt on Tran. Ask Seamus, this is where he screwed up. He then PMed me saying "sorry, i think i included you in Factionheir's attack...but it doesnt matter the attack on Tran failed."
I then asked him to fix it, but he said it was "too juicy, and i like the way it is".
Seeing that Tran was not attacked in the post, JimBob immediatly declared me Mafia, seeing that i "failed" my test.
Seamus then sent messages to JimBob and TinCow to clear things up.
No one mentioned me in the attack on Tran because I assume he was trying to protect my identity (TinCow was).
There ya go, that should clear things up.
And also, I am very pressed for time...managed to sneak back in and type this up...Unvote: SasakiVote: Abstain
I honestly fergot I was in a bunch of your protection groups...sorry i read TC's post and thought it was the most convincing tale in years without thinking....it wasnt a bandwagon just lack of time in judgement...forgive me.
Vote:MyeyeshurtnandIcantplaymafiacauseofmyeyes.
Sorry guys, I had an oculist visit and I had to do something that doesnt allow me to see well.
I'm inclined to believe T'blades story:
Both times the attack failed and a serial killer would have been present from the beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Twilightblade
I would believe that you are squirming like a worm under the spotlight.
Please, I don't mean to be rude, (At least, not to everyone but Sasaki), but the tally, folks, the tally!
TruePraetorian, I don't understand how you responded so largely to Sasaki, who is pointing at everyone who is still alive, yet then sympathised with him?
If I remember, JimBob had other good reasons to distrust you.. which unfortunately cannot be revealed.
But they were not as overpoered as those reasons which condemn Sasaki!
Are you kidding me? I've been disclosing information pretty much every single day since D8. I do still have other information on people and actions that I have not publicly disclosed, but none of that information is restricted to me. I have shared all important information I have with multiple people throughout this game. First it was JimBob, then Crazed Rabbit, and there are now two others who are still alive who know everything I know. If I die, nothing important will be lost to the town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Because it cut down on the number of people required to make a vigilante kill, thus allowing us to do more of them. You can ask the same thing of several other townies who have advanced to wiseguy with me, including the now dead Husar and Haudegen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
It should be pretty clear by the length of my initial post and the time it came after Seamus' writeup that I had prepared it in advance. I had no idea Twilightblade was going to be revealed. After I saw it, I simply added a note to his FoS and posted it as I had originally intended. It's clear that either Sasaki or Twilightblade will be lynched tonight. I guarantee you, I will be organizing a vigilante group tonight to kill whichever one survives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
Also, TP's account of his situation is completely accurate.
Are you serious? Twilightblade's hit on Myrddraal was a two person hit and left an Italian Destiny family sign. How could he possibly be a solo serial killer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Read it again TinCow.
Well, the point is that he isn't a Serial Killer.
Sasaki is just pulling out all the stops in order to make the bad publicity go away.
By the way, I was not kidding you, I wanted to make sure you had nothing left in the shadows.
You're right, there were three killers. Twilightblade and two others. The two others were definitely Italian Destiny, but there's no guarantee that Twilightblade wasn't as well. In any case, he's earned himself a trip to the top of the vigilante kill list unless a higher priority is revealed before tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
hmm no I rather think gibson is still at the top of that list. Btw why didn't you respond to my questions up there?
You dodge answers to my questions, so I'll dodge answers to yours. I've made my case and I'm perfectly happy to let people decide based on what has already been posted.
This is my last post without opinion or possible evasive spam.
Since it gives an excellent reason, or fifty, as to why Sasaki should be strung up with a meathook, and so that it has no chance to disappear before this occurs - I once again recommend the biography written by TC on;
Sasaki Kojiro - The Mafia, The Myth, The Why-He-Must-Die-Now.
Available on Page 102. Please read this.
TC is too modest!
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
So Glenn'll shaddap. JK :laugh:
So gibson... finally quit lurking, when the lynch is getting intresting? scum scum..
still, sasaki should be lynched.. but he's not the only one.
Town is going to lose. (if there are even pro-town people alive?) however.. let us hope as much scum as possible dies in the process.
Which questions did I dodge? :dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I showed how ridiculous a bunch of your accusation was and then asked what rest you wanted explained. You posted a list of questions which I answered. You haven't posted any response to those. How about a few "I was completely wrong about that"'s?
btw, I've played enough mafia games on this site to have an idea what happens next. A bunch of mafia read the thread and say "yay! we can lynch sasaki" and a bunch of townies say "hmm well you never can tell with sasaki we were going to have to lynch him anyway he's always suspicious blah blah". The role reveal will prove me right in a few days. I'm more interested to see whether you truly are mafia or are just under some illusion. There's no reason for a townie not to respond when his accusations are shown to be false.
I believe Sasaki to be innocent. In fact, I believe him to be a townie.
I can't reveal anything contained within PM conversations. So I'll just quote some of the things Sasaki has said, and invite you to read them again.
Quote:
If it's really necessary I can go through the rest of these accusations. I picked this one for now. I was protected by Myrdraal, the surgeon. We had been in contact previously. He sent me a pm about my made source and my answer satisfied him enough that he trusted me with his identity.
Quote:
So when you said "please reveal this "doctor friend" who protected you", and I said "myrdraal", this constitutes a poor rebuttal?
How about this?
My red text put me in contact with a made. At a certain point in the game, myrdraal contacted me. He had similar red text and wished to test if mine was genuine. We discussed at as much as we could within the restraints. He believed I was telling the truth about it, thought not trusting me entirely (he told me someone else was the doctor first to see if they turned up dead). Now, why would a don have red text putting him in contact with a made?
Glenn, putting text in bold and being sarcastic does not make your arguments stronger. Try basing them on something more...
I'm sorry to be dead :sad: Good Luck Town
Woah, interesting night. I'm a little too tired to cope with so much argument and counter-argument but I should be back before the phase ends.
For now, I'll vote: abstain.
If someone has time, a tally would probably be helpful to everyone, especially Seamus. I have to sleep though :zzz:
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
Unfortunately TinCow makes a lot of good points against you.
I vote: abstain for now. I have been gone for a while, and I need to catch up on events.
Some good points made by TinCow, the town may still stand a chance.
So thanks again everyone, for lynching me, a fellow townie.
I wouldn't have been revealed if I was part of a team would I?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Vote:Twilightblade
I think there is something inherently wrong about you. Maybe a buddy of yours didnt show up. Maybe you are some kind of serial killer.
But hers the thing, why attempt to kill the surgeon?
Joe
Why say this, does this mean that there will be a further reveal on Hiji?Quote:
Originally Posted by seamus in post 3045
This actually interests me.
Joe
Well, the fact that two townies were mentioned in that report, and Hiji was given an entirely seperate reveal means he was not a fellow townie.
But it certainly does not sound as dark as Moros' write-up.
I'm willing to believe he was less dangerous than Sasaki is now.
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Joe Monks
Since the very night in which TwilightBlade - a player I never even spoke to - unvoted me, Joe Monks has wanted him dead.
Everyone seems to have long since forgotten such suspicions - because I am at the very least proven pro-town - and so even if Twilight was trying to help me because he had an affiliation with me, he would be proven but more helpful to the town.
So why, Joe Monks, out of all the other suspects, do you choose to target Twilightblade instead of Sasaki Kojiro?
It is obvious you don't want to pay any attention to the arguments raised against Kojiro - yet even though this is suspicious - even more so is your relentless pursuit of this player.
Here are 3 reasons I can think of;
1. You are Mafia, you realise TB is innocent, you realise Sasaki is Mafia, you want to the former to die preferrably.
2. You have a special role which requires the death of TwilightBlade.
3. You are pro-town, you know TB is guilty and have information that proves this.
If one of the first two are correct, you are probably not pro-town.
If the latter is true, then why are you withholding information?
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Myrddraal I'm glad you honoured my name in bold print, but it doesn't mean I will heed your advice whatsoever.
Protecting Sasaki against enormous waves of common sense and decency.
"Scummy", as Drisos would say.
Speaking of Drisos - Would you not give your opinion more broadly, former Detective?
Why does everyone think Myrddraal is a surgeon ? ive seen no proof of this ?
im really not sure about sasaki, i have a feeling he's scum..
Apart from not knowing whether he is a surgeon, solos never kill so there to my point of view was no risk of me killing, but there was always a risk of being revealedQuote:
Originally Posted by Joe Monks
vote: abstain
Twilightblade, you should tell us a little bit more if you want to survive this day.
What´s your role?
Why did you attack Myrd?
Who were your partners (who apparently let you down)?
Ok, I was going to wait for TinCow to defend himself before summing everything up but he doesn't appear willing (or able) to.
Let me summarize his accusation.
1) Accusation: Sasaki claimed to be the doctor
As I showed in posts 3047 and 3048, this is false. I never claimed to be the doctor. I found it odd that TinCow would think I was, so I let him believe that while informing JimBob of the truth. When CR asked me why TinCow trusted me I replied with this:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
There is no claim to be doctor in that pm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
2) Accusation: Sasaki was protected by a luca night 7
This is false. If you read the writeup it was clearly a surgeon:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
This surgeon was Myrdraal:Quote:
In fact, more than a few rounds had ricocheted dangerously close to the shooters themselves. They themselves had come closer to death than their target!
Myrddraal says today:Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
So it should be obvious I'm not making this up.Quote:
I believe Sasaki to be innocent. In fact, I believe him to be a townie.
3) Accusation: Sasaki's red text is a lie
This is also false. See Myrdraal's post a few above mine. This alone should prove me innocent.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
4) Accusation: Sasaki couldn't wait one day before lynching CR
This is also false. As you can see from the above pm, I was informed that Myrdraal was going to protect CR but protected me instead. I'm not stupid, I can put two and two together. If I was a don I could have had CR killed back then without bothering to try and get him lynched in the thread. CR was pretty clearly guilty but that's another story.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
5) Accusation: Sasaki had the townie group killed off
Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Sarathos was mafia and was aware of as much of the list as I was. Several others were common knowledge, some I was not even aware of. Also note that the mafia try to target active townies, and most active townies were in protection groups. I was never aware that Lt. Pinard and LittleGrizzly were in townie groups. If you look at last game I tried to keep my townie group alive when I was mafia. And so on and so on. There isn't any meat to this accusation.Quote:
both Sarathos and Tran were WiseGuys rumored to have been part of mafia killing teams.
6) Accusation: The banner during Ichigo's death points to Sasaki
If ichigo was in the italian mafia how come the killed last night and the rose mafia didn't? How come Ichigo claimed earlier to be in the rose mafia? What reason does TinCow have to claim I was ichigo's buddy and not one of the other attackers? None. I don't know what the banner meant.
7) Accusation: Sasaki killed Cowhead after Tincow let his name slip
I sent TinCow this:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
All he had to do was give me the date and time. Instead he sent me a pm revealing the entire townie organization and left one of the instances of Cowheads name uncensored. In addition, he followed it up with a pm that explicitly said he'd messed up and included cowheads name and that he was the detective. And then cowhead get's killed and he blames me for it, making a big deal out of how the same night he told me cowhead was a detective cowhead died. Well guess what? I'd been told the name of another detective, and informed who the surgeon was, and who the surgeon was protecting, and none of them turned up dead on the night. TinCow even knew about the other detective not turning up dead. Now, when I saw cowhead killed I considered briefly that TinCow had sent his name to the mafia but quickly dismissed it. There's no reason why they couldn't have chosen Cowhead because he fit the profile they were after. But this really looks to me like TinCow purposely leaked the name to me and had Cowhead killed that night, planning to frame it on me.Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
So as you can see, most of TinCow's argument has been shown to be complete bunk, and the rest to be fairly meaningless. There is also strong evidence presented of my innocence. So what is TinCow's response?
Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
This is absolutely, crystal clearly not the case. No townie would claim that I've done a "very poor job rebutting" his evidence (much of what I've posted in this summary had been posted previously) and refuse to answer questions. He makes specific factual claims which I responded to factually that have been backed up by other people and by a multitude of pm evidence. He refuses to answer questions not because he's content with his case but because he can't answer them. If he was town he would say he was wrong. He's mafia and simply avoiding this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Vote:TinCow
I think gibson and xehh should explain there votes more.
To add more explanation for why I believe TinCow is mafia:
Put yourself in his shoes for a minute. You are trying to form a family, but it doesn't work out. So you betray them to the town all the while convincing them that you are on their side. Keep this in mind, he was able to convince his mafia group that he was with them. This shows he is a competant liar. Now he gets in tight with a townie group and once again convinces them he is on their side. Maybe he is for a while. But think of a scenario in which he managed to join a family? What would he do? He gather all the information on the power roles, find someone to blame for their deaths, and then start killing them. He'd have to have a good case against his target so he'd work up a big post and have it prepared.
It all fits together.
Valid points, Sasaki. I´m very interested in TinCow´s response.
And let´s not forget about Twilightblade:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Tally
Sasaki - 3 - (TinCow, gibson, XehhII)
TinCow - 1- (Sasaki)
Twilightblade - 1 - (Joe Monks)
Abstain - 1 - (TruePraetorian)
Mafia status as of N11:
--Stracci. Don: Omanes A. (dead), Luca: Dutch Guy (dead), Made: Andres (dead), NorthNovas (dead), Former associated wise guy: LouisVI (dead), associated wise guys or mades: Tran (dead), Gibson. Calling Card: Pink ballet slippers. Victims: Drisos (detective, N1), Pannonian (wise guy, N3), Motep (wise guy, N5), Louis VI (presumed wise guy, N6), attempted hits on GH (N2, N3), Proletariat (N4), Craterus (N6), Sasaki (N7), Brave Sir Robin (N7).
--Corleone. Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Tiberius of the Drake (dead). Have called for a mafia truce through Tiberius and TosaInu.
--Tataglia. Don: Unknown, Luca: Makanyane (according to CR), Made: Unknown. Have responded to the Corleones' call for truce, according to TosaInu's second relayed communication.
--Barzini. (Rose group according to Louis), associated wise guy: Ichigo (according to Louis)
--Cunnio.
Religious Weather Balloon group. Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Unknown. Calling Card: Weather balloons and religious paraphernalia. Victims: Glenn (crusader?, N3), Beefy (townie, N3), The Stranger (townie, N3), GH (wise guy, N4), attempted hits on Glenn (N2) and Proletariat (N4, N5, N6?). This family made an explosive entrance on night 3, but seems to have been a one-night wonder. Based on Hiji's postmortem, he may be involved with this group or entirely responsible for these kills.
Rose group (Barzinis according to Louis, Tataglia if CR's results on Makanyane are correct). Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Unknown, associated wise guys if any: unknown. Calling Card: Rose and a preference for explosives. Victims: Zorg (wise guy, N3), Moros (N4, wise guy or wolf-type character), Chimpyang (townie, N5, black rose), Lt. Pinard (townie, N6), Haudegen (wise guy, N9), LittleGrizzly (N10), attempted hit on CR (N6, white rose), possible attempted hit on Proletariat (N4).
Italian Destiny group. Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Unknown, associated wise guys if any: unknown. Calling Card: an Italian phrase (destiny is inexorable). Victims: Kamikhaan (townie, N5), ajaxfetish (townie, N6), Husar (townie, N7), Sarathos (mafia wise guy, N8), Cowhead418 (N10), Myrddraal (N11). This group has no known failures as of yet, so a very high batting average for them.
Omanes suspected Sigurd to be the don of the Barzinis, JimBob asserted he was the don of the Corleones. Sigurd claimed to be the King of Hearts hitman. Sigurd's post-mortem has shown he was indeed a mafia don, but has not established his family.
TinCow has accused Sasaki of being a mafia don managing the actions of the rose group and/or Italian destiny group. Sasaki has counter-accused TinCow of once again trying to enter/setup a mafia family and betray the town.
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Musings:
Lone killers with calling cards or consistent modi operandi
--.577 Webley. A rogue killer of unknown motivation. A single individual using the same weapon shot Kommodus (luca, N4), Woad&Fangs (wise guy, N5), and Makanyane (luca, N8). Based on the type of victims, this killer may be protown.
--King of Hearts. Another lone killer is operating, using knives and leaving King of Hearts playing cards. He participated in killing Woad & Fangs (wise guy, N5) and Louis VI (presumed wise guy, N6), and attempted a kill on TinCow (N7). Sigurd falsely claimed to have this role.
--Ashanderei: Twilightblade. Yet another solo attacker, but without any successful kills as yet. Attempted hits on Proletariat (N9), Elite Ferret (N10), and Myrddraal (N11). The N9 attempt sounded like another attacker was expected but didn't show. This attacker was revealed as Twilightblade during his unsuccessful attack on Myrddraal. TB's defense, in PM to Sasaki, was that he is a bored player doing solo vig hits knowing that they'll fail. Based on his three solo failures and lack of successful kills, this explanation is at least plausible. According to the rules, solo townies run the risk of dying in a vig attempt, solo wise guys or mafia a risk of being identified.
--Society for Creative Anachronism. This townie vigilante organization was coordinated by JimBob starting on N5 and in his absence is currently led by TinCow. Successful hits on FactionHeir (made, N6), Northnovas (made, N7), Tran (mafia wise guy, N8), Ichigo (N10), Warluster (N11). Failed hits on Tran (N5)-not enough pms, Twilightblade (N5)-not enough pms, Tran (N7)-apparently luck, Ichigo (N9)-not enough pms, Charge (N9)-apparently luck.
As Louis has mentioned, CR could very well have been either the FBI detective or a don. Makanyane's post-mortem established that she was indeed a luca, but did not specify her family. The evidence seems to weigh in favor of CR indeed being the FBI detective, but not quite beyond any reasonable doubt.
Hiji's post-mortem is quite interesting. He came up as townie, but had a bare apartment containing little besides a wooden cross and a lot of wire. Given all the people killed nights 3 and 4 by the 'weather balloon mafia,' which used religious paraphernalia and wire in many of their disposals, I'm very intrigued. Was it not a family after all, but a special role with the ability to kill multiple targets on a single night? Seems a little overpowered for the game. Was he operating in conjunction with the family? I'm confused but sense a connection. If it is accurate then his N4 guilty result by CR is accurate as well, and he is no 'townie.'
Woah, just had a further random speculation on Hiji. Glenn & Co. have mentioned the possibility of an evil mirror of their organization. Could Hiji and EMFM both have been part of such a group and managed to go a-slaying night 3? Perhaps the 3rd member was lost soon thereafter, severely limiting their actions since then? Could Moros have been a part of it? I feel like I'm either a genius or I'm wandering way off into left field with this one. Any thoughts?
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Detective results:
Cowhead418 (via TinCow, N5 & N6 also via a further anonymous intermediary), claimed as regular detective
N1: pevergreen = criminal (lynched D2, wise guy, accurate)
N1: The Stranger = innocent (murdered N3, townie, accurate)
N2: Glenn = innocent (murdered N3, crusader?, probably accurate)
N2: Crazed Rabbit = innocent (lynched D10, results pending)
N3: charge = criminal (lynched D11, results pending)
N3: ajaxfetish = innocent (murdered N6, townie, accurate)
N4: Proletariat = innocent (still alive)
N4: Twilightblade = criminal (still alive)
N5: Rhythmic = innocent (murdered N5, townie, accurate)
N5: Myrddraal = innocent (murdered N11, results pending)
N6: norwegian nerd = innocent (still alive)
N6: FactionHeir = criminal (murdered N6, made, accurate)
CR, claimed as FBI detective
N1: Andres = guilty (lynched D5, made, murdered Drisos N1, accurate)
N1: Proletariat = innocent (still alive)
N2: GeneralHankerchief = criminal, wise guy (murdered N4, wise guy, accurate)
N2: Moros = criminal (murdered N4, wise guy or shadow, accurate)
N3: Twilightblade = criminal (still alive)
N3: Makanyane = guilty (murdered N8, luca, accuracy depends on N3 victims)
N4: FactionHeir = guilty (murdered N6, made, accuracy depends on N4 victims)
N4: Hiji = guilty (lynched D9, townie but with anomalies, accurate if involved in killing anyone by N4)
N5: Joe Monks = criminal (still alive)
N5: Makanyane = guilty N5, Tataglia Luca from outset of game. (murdered N8, luca, accuracy depends on N5 victims)
N6: LittleGrizzly = innocent (murdered N10, results pending)
N6: norwegian nerd = innocent (still alive)
N7: Roadkill = innocent (WoGged N9, townie, accurate)
N7: Warluster = criminal (murdered N11, results pending)
N8: Myrddraal = innocent (murdered N11, results pending)
N8: Ironside = innocent (still alive)
Victims N3, N4, and N5
N3: taka (I think that was TinCow's old wise guy group (with GH, gibsong, and ?NorthNovas? Didn't he claim that?), Beefy (balloon mafia), Zorg (rose mafia), Pannonian (Straccis), the Stranger (balloon mafia), Glenn (balloon mafia).
N4: Kommodus (.577 Webley), Moros (rose mafia), Xiahou (no calling card).
N5: Kamikhaan (Italian destiny mafia), Chimpyang (rose mafia), Motep (Straccis), Rhythmic (no calling card), Woad & Fangs (King of Hearts hitman).
For the guilty results on Makanyane to be accurate, she must (1) have been part of the rose mafia, (2) have been in the balloon mafia but also helped the ?vigilante group? that killed Rhythmic, or (3) characters shown guilty by a detective result continue to be shown guilty regardless of future activity--this seems unlikely but seems not to be explicitly denied in Seamus' rules.
For the guilty results on FactionHeir to be accurate, he must (1) have been part of the rose mafia, or (2) have been part of the ?vigilante group? that killed Xiahou.
Summary of the living, assuming Cowhead's and CR's investigations are accurate:
Innocent (pro-town or don): Proletariat (both), norwegian nerd (both), Ironside (CR only)
Criminal (wise guy or mafia): Twilightblade (both), Joe Monks (CR only)
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Post-mortem results:
22 pro-town
Townie: Lord Winter, Beefy, taka, the Stranger, FahadI, killfr3nzy, Sapi, Xiahou, Rhythmic, molonthegreat, Chimpyang, Kamikhaan, ajaxfetish, Lt. Pinard, Husar, JohnHughThom, Roadkill, Alexander the Pretty Good, Hiji (though his post-mortem is very suspicious)
Detective: Drisos
Crusader?: Glenn, Rob the Celt
15 neutral
Wise Guy: Pevergreen, Hannibal, Pannonian, Zorg, GH, x-Danger, Moros (though Moros may be an unaffiliated mafia member), Motep, WarmasterHorus, Woad&Fangs, Xdeathfire, LouisVI (though Seamus write-up was not specific on his starting role), EMFM (I'm not sure where exactly to put him, so he goes neutral for now), Haudegen, BKS
11 mafia
Affiliated Wise Guy: Tran (Stracci), Sarathos (family unknown)
Made: Tiberius (Corleone), Andres (Stracci), FactionHeir (family unknown), NorthNovas (Stracci)
Luca: Kommodus (family unknown), Dutch Guy (Stracci), Makanyane (family unknown but claimed by CR to be Tataglia)
Don: Omanes (Stracchi), Sigurd (family unknown)
Ajax
PS Thanks for the positive feedback, guys. I've been behind the last few nights, but I'm working to still get them out every day. I worry that they might be too long, and new info might get lost if someone doesn't want to check the whole post for changes, but I think it's important to have everything still available for double-checking and all. Errors are entirely possible as I'm only human and clearly have access to limited info in this game, but I try to glean all my information from fact or reasonable inference (primarily from Seamus' write-ups) or else acknowledge the source of info or suspicions. Any falsehoods or poor reasoning are honest mistakes on my part.
Your analysis is worth ****. Sorry Sasaki, normally I think of you as a competent mafia hunter, but you're totally and completely off in this game. You're practically Silver Rusher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Tincow has made errors, but his are due to incompetence, while yours are due to, shall we say, foolishness.
But my anger at Sasaki for his boneheaded maneuver of getting the FBI agent lynched is less than my anger at the mafia.
Neither Tincow nor Sasaki should die today.
Craterus, whom I strongly suspect is a don - remember his being saved due to a protector - must die.
He slipped through but cannot be allowed to do so again.
The dons must be killed. That is how the town wins the game.
Crazed Rabbit
I'm really tired now and University is taking up a lot of my time. I will try and get something good up tomorrow.
a) TinCow, one of the points you make against Sasaki is that a lot of people who were working with you died. You claim Sasaki's family took them out, because he knew their identity and he knew that they were working closely together for the town.
You realise that there is somebody else who also knew these people, do you? That person, TinCow, is you.
b) Myrddraal vouched for Sasaki. Myrddraal is a surgeon. Why not waiting for the post mortem result on Myrddraal? In the meanwhile, you can focus on real scum.
Glenn, I have no beef with you, this is all within the role play of the game :bow:
I believe you are making a mistake, and I've presented some pretty solid evidence to back me up. Don't stick to your guns when you're shooting at your friends.
As for why I protected Sasaki, let me remind you of a few quotes:
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Originally Posted by TinCow
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Originally Posted by Sasaki
I understand roleplay Myrddraal!
Though it does annoy me when I am simply despised for writing small posts, and furthermore when I write what little analysis I can from the grave I am then PMed and requested to stop spamming.
Is my speculation anymore speculative than any other musings?
The fact that I trust you here as a player, in the same way many trust TinCow, means that I am slightly dissuaded when you say I may perhaps be making a mistake in my accusations.
But then I see what CrazedRabbit has written, that which TinCow and others believe - and it is rather overwhelming when combined with the reactions of Sasaki.
He really requires a post-mortem examination.
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But, Myrddraal, let us say he is innocent.
How would you, as his ally in this fight, vouch for his protection and deeds in favour of the town?
Who else should be lynched?
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Sasaki has been dipped in public relations rather sufficiently.
No one who is active will forget the evidence portrayed against him.
So it is time to listen to other accusations.
Firstly, allow me to accuse Proletariat of being somewhat more inactive than JimBob as Director.
She has not even mentioned her role as Director.
This means she could well be happy simply for the protection.
People have alluded to her role being secret and awesome - but have no proof of it. You all say if the Mafia find out then she is dead.
But the Mafia know anyway, else they would not have attempted to kill her so constantly.
I want her revealed, it seems as if I am the only one who doesn't know.
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However, on the subject of other accusations.
CrazedRabbit has voiced concerns over Craterus.
Concerns serious enough to have him forget Sasaki.
This is rather serious then, and in relation to the above accusation - Craterus was the only player to support me in suspicion of Proletariat.
This puts me in favour of those who want her alive.
So Craterus must die today, but this is based it seems upon a whim - CR?
As for Sasaki, we have not a whim, but a sideshow of his guilt.
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I am very impressed with your reports, Ajaxfetish, and though it is greatly comprehensive I am interested in but one of your, "Musings".
That of the possible existence of a seperate religious force in Fatlington.
Seamus, I will allude here to my past, not greatly, but if it cuts too nearly please say so.
Moros, as you have seen, was what seems to be a Gothic Knight.
His post-mortem brings me to believe only that.
However, Moros was one of the closest confidents in my network, and never did anything to betray us.
Nor do I believe he would have - by god I wish I could write the rest, but I can only say that he told me his role was the;
"Light"
and that there was another role;
"Shadow"
Which operated in an opposite mechanism, one was strongly Pro-town, the other strongly Mafia-in-general.
However, there is nothing to suggest the truth of this in the Post-mortem.
These were my confidents, with whom I conversed and planned with in hierarchial order; (The upper knew everything of those below him, the one below knew nothing of the upper).
Moros, Jimbob
Louis VI the Fat, The Stranger,
Zorg,
Pannonian, Beefy, Pevergreen,
GeneralHanky, Omanes Alexandrapolites,
Several townies - Lt. Pinard for example.
This gives way to little, but you can see how the network was structured, it became this way after everyone pulled together to save me on Day 1.
Moros was at the top, and there he remained - at the highest circle of confidence with JimBob.
Unfortunately, a Don, and a Frankish Traitor Scum were among those ranks, but other than that I usually handled the diplomacy rather well.
I wish I had trusted GH more - but he was my first suspect for the role of, "Shadow".
Note that at that time I included the word shadow often, and called GH himself shadowy. No reply, I gave up.
Anyway, I've included the kind of unreleased information that would be written in a post-game write-up, and it doesn't seem game-breaking.
Nonetheless, please advise me if it damages at all.
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Well then. Craterus or Sasaki the Mafioso?
I would not trust anything Andres writes by the way.
If you are just joining us now live, you should know that he is scum.
Dead scum.
The Sasaki v TinCow drama is still playing out. T'Blade is a known killer.
vote: Twilightblade
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Tally
Sasaki - 3 - (TinCow, gibson, XehhII)
TinCow - 1- (Sasaki)
Twilightblade - 2 - (Joe Monks, Kukri)
Abstain - 1 - (TruePraetorian)
Warluster killed Myrddraal last night, I believe.
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Hiji was found guilty on n4. A townie working with the balloon mafia then? I can’t work it out.
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I think TinCow made a sincere effort in his accusation of Sasaki. It is interesting, but it is not conclusive.
TC is still under close surveillance for previous attempts at becoming mafia, and Sasaki isn’t confirmed pro-town. Nevertheless, I think both are playing pro-town at the moment.
Can’t the two of you share with us more immediately acute information about the vig group? Who is in it, and who isn’t? Lots of criminal and especially guilty results pop up everywhere, and people have been getting off the hook for ages now because everybody and his dog claims to be in this town vig group. The town is no longer helped by secrecy I think.
Who are the people involved?
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Norwegian Nerd, what is your opinion of Sasaki?
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I am inclined to believe TwilightBlade’s account of himself. He did not manage a succesful kill, so I don't think he is a priority for a lynch.
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What of Gibson? He went killing with the new Stracchi’s. What is he up to at the moment? Has CountArach been accounted for yet? Was he or wasn’t he with the town vig group? Why not lynch him?
How could you possibly know that for sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Or one of those unfortunate townies who come up guilty, even if they're innocent? Maybe he was in a vig group? If so, then we'll need one of his companions to confirm, since the dead cannot talk about previous actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Or maybe your source of information made a mistake? Or lied?
Are you under close surveillance as well, my former Stracci brother?Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis
Surgeon Myrddraal confirmed that Sasaki is pro-town. You guys already lynched the FBI detective (while I, of all players, told you not to do so :no:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis
:yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis
And how about his buddy, mentioned in one of the very first rounds of this game... Is your buddy still alive Norwegian Nerd?Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis
Yes, you should definitily let someone who was caught during a murder attempt on a surgeon continue to play ~:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis
Gibson already told the town that he wasn't allowed into the Stracci family.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis