maybe,but at least we shall get over the,where is LS threads without compromising historical accuracy:2thumbsup:
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maybe,but at least we shall get over the,where is LS threads without compromising historical accuracy:2thumbsup:
To which I replied:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gebeleisis
In other words, upgrades will increase the armour on a unit with a set, unmoddable bonus. However, it is arguable whether LS was truly an upgrade over LH, at least in terms of protection offered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ludens
I also fail to see how your solution does not compromise historical accuracy.
This is getting drawn out, i argued that LS was superior in design and stated some proof but theres no way for sure to know anything unless someone was to recreate everything exactly and put them through a series of tests, which im sure none of us have the drive, money or time to do.
Here is my proposed solution:
Make EB2 without the LS at all, then after its all done someone can make a separate patch or add on for the LS and ppl can chose whether they want to dl it or not. What do you think?
As long as you do the patch, great! Once EB2 comes out we don´t want the EB team wasting their time with such stupid things when they can be out there doing much funnier stuff, like finally going outside their own rooms for the first time since 2005.
Actually, one guy on the team has and his conclusions pointed to it being worse than chain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iasonis
*pops by for the first time in a month and sees this thread sitting at the top*
Ooh, a party! Without inviting me? Really, all of you in the Council of Ten. How could you?
According to what factual proof? My advice to you is to look through the facts out there and decide for yourself or read through this entire thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by abou
Look, man, a guy on the team has spent extensive time studying arms and armor as part of career to getting a Ph.D. That included building and testing armor.
Believe it or not. And personally, these threads are enough of an annoyance that the team just doesn't care anymore. Lorica Segmentata will not be in EB1 or EB2; at least not in line infantry. Possbility for artillery crews as that was discussed somewhere before a long time ago, but that's it. End of discussion on our part. This topic has been exhausted. My advice is that if you want it, learn how to mod it.
temper temper lol :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by abou
No, shut up!!! You are wasting the teams time and patience, these kinda threads are what makes people quit the EB team.
You´re question has been answered probably a hundred times, and at least a dozen times in this very thread, and still you seem unable to comprehend this.
:daisy: Because you make it seem that way. You want LS in EB, do it yourself, don´t pester other people who have better things to do. Or else... *trademark shifty eyes and winks at Pez*
Then counter the proof i showed in this thread that ls was used and is superior or let it go as no one knows, dont come all irate sounding like you have adhd or something, like your mom dropped you on your head... your patheticQuote:
Originally Posted by General Appo
it will not compromise it cause i suggested a building to be made available only in uber situations when the actual player made more techonoligal progres then the empire evr did,i mean,we already did that with the reforms no?
Look, you haven't provided any proof of anything. The fact is that the modern reconstructions on Segmentata are all wrong anyway, we can't seem to get the rigging right and the lames never hang properly. Additionally modern version are made of rolled sheet mild steel, not forged iron, the rivits are usually bronze and not copper as they are in finds. In general the standard of the modern metal armour is just better, because it's not massed produced by hand; it's either machine produced or lovingly handcrafted in a garage.
Now, added to this sculpture and the dispersal of finds suggests it was never widely used. To suggestions have been made recently.
1. It was used by artillery crews to protect against the potentially fatal blunt trauma from miss-fires etc. This might help to explain why we find it in so many auxillary border-posts.
2. It was used by the "light" second cohort or some other form of assault trooper who would value the lighter wait and protection from blunt trauma over a generally better form of armour.
The other possibility is that it just flat-out looks pretty and needs polishing. Seriously, this was an army.
Can anyone explain to me how the idea of placing a guy or two into the variations of a unit wearing LS is a bad idea?
Because someone will just make a minimod of that.
Mostly because there wasn't a "guy or two" wearing LS in our time period.Quote:
Originally Posted by hellenes
So youre saying that by 1ad-14ad there wasnt even a single guy wearing LS within the legion's unit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spendios
I mean Im pretty sure that Legionares werent just clones...
You can keep asking in 1000 different threads. There won't be LS in EB2. Period.:balloon2:Quote:
Originally Posted by hellenes
You have to wonder about the sheer rudeness of some people.
The EB team spend years building a great mod. Improving on the original game infinitely. And they have all enjoyed it.
They do not question the EB team when it comes to the near infinite details for many faction, they accept that EB know what thy are doing.
However when they don't see the shiny amour they see in cartoons they imagine they are expects (because they have all seen some video on you tube when LS gets hit by a V2 missile and comes out smiling, then they follow it up with 15 minutes googling).
And they constantly never acept that it won't be in.
The smart ones will simply wait, and have there own LS minimod, the others will whine about it's use after the time period, and the loss of the pretty armour.
But that doesn't give you the right to be rude. In fact, he hasn't even repeated his request for LS to be included in EB, he merely asks PVC to back up his claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by General Appo
However, I'll admit I am getting very tired of this discussion, too :shame: .
True, but even at the height of its popularity LS was never more common than LH, so apparently even the great Roman empire preferred LH. Also, it is still debatable whether LS represent a technological advance (or in game terms, an upgrade) over LH, so that rules out the armour upgrade system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gebeleisis
I am not sure how common LS finds are compared to LH in the time-frame, but the impression is that it was uncommon. Hence one could argue that even if only one legionary model would use LS, it would still be overrepresented. I am guessing (but again, I wouldn't know) that the legionaries of a single cohort would be identically equipped, for reasons of simple logistics.Quote:
Originally Posted by hellenes
Ok, this thread is going in circles and has become rude (it's been reported).
There will not be LS in EB or EB2, sorry. End of discussion.