Should Holocaust deniars be jailed?

Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger:
Seriously though, are you're views common in Poland?

I've been to Poland twice - had some great times. I visited Cracow, and we teamed up with some Polish students there whom we had contacted over the internets. They had organised a great lecture on Polish history for us, by their professor at their university. In the middle of the old town, right next to a statue of their most famous lecturer, Copernicus. It was bliss.

Indeed, they have another version of history. Very interesting. It was not they who were ignorant. It was us who received a much needed eye-opener. New, overlooked perspectives. History is different if you've just spend two centuries between Germany and Russia. When WWII was fought right at your doorstep, at a crossroads of German, Jewish and Polish culture, 10 kilometers from Auschwitz. Much of it showed the shortcomings of the history we were accustomed to. And some of it was a bit peculiar, yes. But no, there was no anti-Semitic revisionism in it.

Or so at least they told me later that night, for Louis spend most of the lecture struggling with hangovers from the hot Polish nights - great people, great beers, great prices. :yes:

Norman Davies is an English scholar who has written a great history of Europe from a more Central-European perspective. In fact, he has studied in Cracow. He must be the best English language source for a Polish perspective.

Originally Posted by Krook:
Ohh please guys
you are so strong attacking me
please explain what is wrong with materials i wrote?
or give any proof of your statements

For all I care everything you wrote is true. Ancient revisionist tactics. Dig up a story of a Jew who didn't go to Auschwitz, and present it as proof of 'Jewish Lies!'. Find a story about a Jewish murderer, and present it as evidence for 'complex war situations' that 'surely warrant' further investigations into the 'real events' of WWII. Harass and insult Jews or the state of Israel with it, and then cry that if they 'cover up' their crimes, then surely we, who openly admit our part in the crimes, can claim the moral high ground?

Even if everything you wrote is true, it is nowhere near as clever as it looks. What is wrong about it is to put Jewish and German (or Polish) crimes on an equal footing, to constantly emphasize crimes comitted by Jews, and in so doing revise WWII history into some sort of civil war between European Jewry and Germany. I, for one, do not share the opinion that 'World Jewry' needs to apologise to Poland or Germany for its 'war crimes' in 1939-1945. Nor that World Jewry is trying to cover up these crimes and is protecting its many war criminals from this period. To put it mildly.

Originally Posted by :
When someone is starting personal attacks on his opponent, he has no arguments into discussion.

When someones contribution is complete rubbish the only thing to say is that it is complete rubbish . Calling someone a racist idiot is not a personal attack it is an accurate response to the tripe they have written which can only be described as racist idiocy .

Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat:
Oui papa. :shame:

How touching that you thought my words were meant specially for you. They were not. Not at all in fact.

Whatever...

You know what, Louis? I have learned that blunt accusations of antisemitism, idiocy and lying on this board usually hurt the wrong persons, not the targets they were intended to hurt. Need I go on?

Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat:
I've been to Poland twice - had some great times. I visited Cracow, and we teamed up with some Polish students there whom we had contacted over the internets. They had organised a great lecture on Polish history for us, by their professor at their university. In the middle of the old town, right next to a statue of their most famous lecturer, Copernicus. It was bliss.

Indeed, they have another version of history. Very interesting. It was not they who were ignorant. It was us who received a much needed eye-opener. New, overlooked perspectives. History is different if you've just spend two centuries between Germany and Russia. When WWII was fought right at your doorstep, at a crossroads of German, Jewish and Polish culture, 10 kilometers from Auschwitz. Much of it showed the shortcomings of the history we were accustomed to. And some of it was a bit peculiar, yes. But no, there was no anti-Semitic revisionism in it.

Or so at least they told me later that night, for Louis spend most of the lecture struggling with hangovers from the hot Polish nights - great people, great beers, great prices. :yes:

Norman Davies is an English scholar who has written a great history of Europe from a more Central-European perspective. In fact, he has studied in Cracow. He must be the best English language source for a Polish perspective.

Interesting observations Louis. I'm sure perspectives are quite different in most Warsaw Pact nations. I know that East Germans were taught that they were not responsible for the Holocaust and other Nazi crimes.

Thanks :bow:

First this has been simply a beautiful thread, chaulk filled with the sarcastic bile that digs right at the heart of peoples pride that really gets me going. Literally, I have been laughing here for nearly 4 minutes just over the back and forths, this thread should be framed and put in a museum so 100 years from now school children can see how the web helped us evolve into better human beings. :thumbsup:

However entertaining I find deniars myself, when one denies an event of the proportions we are discussing here, it lends others to think that they have an adgenda to further or they are ignorant of history.

My mother in law was in germany during the war, her father brother and whole family were nazi's. She knew, all of her german friends knew, what was happening to the jews and undersirables. I have talked to her a lot about this, she was a teen girl at the time so I dont hold her morally responsible but I never really get a direct answer on the whole "how could you not say something" line of questions.

I have heard everything from fear to disbelief of the crimes committed but I never have had her deny that there was a systematic industrial killing of jews in Nazi germany. She has told me stories about people she knew that went to their deaths in the camps, it always amazes me the matter of fact way in which she can recount the details of life then. seeing people harassed, kicked beaten in the street.... then a few days later there gone.

She isnt a deniar, but she is about the only person I could fathom would be because she lived it, and if apart of her didnt deny it I'm sure that the guilt could be crushing. I asked her once (something like this not verbatum) "Inge, how is it that no one realized the scope of what was happening, there were box cars filled with children or people in just about every metro area heading to their deaths"

Her reply was something along the lines of "Not every train carried off the people, it was usually only one or two trains a day for the first few years anyway"

But hey she was there so I'll afford her some denial shes an old woman. :thumbsdown:

Originally Posted by KrooK:
please explain what is wrong with materials i wrote?

Here.

Originally Posted by :
Jews who were killing Poles and German civilians are heroes of Israel.

You're so wrong it hurts. The Blue Police must be the national heroes of Poland as well.

Originally Posted by :
Its truth that Morel killed mostly German civilians or people accused of supporting Germans. However he killed civilians and should be sentenced for that. He has not been due to help given by jewish state.

Morel was Polish, wasn't he?

The Israeli letter rejecting extradition states that Morel joined the partisans of the Red Army in 1942, and was in the forests when his parents, sister-in-law, and brother were killed by Polish Blue Police officers; the next year, his brother was killed by a Polish fascist

Here is another Polish hero, Czesław Gęborski. Maybe you have heard of him? The one who decided to set fire to a barracks at Stalag VIII-B prison camp, then fired on the prisoners trying to put it out. I'm sure you'll dismiss it as Jewish propoganda, though.

I'm not saying he was a good man, but this anti-semetism stinks of BS.

We allow people like this to post? Man, maybe we should review our "Dumb opinion" statements :sweatdrop:

Originally Posted by Tribesman:
When someones contribution is complete rubbish the only thing to say is that it is complete rubbish . Calling someone a racist idiot is not a personal attack it is an accurate response to the tripe they have written which can only be described as racist idiocy .

That be Jew propoganda!

I see a bad end to this.

Originally Posted by Tribesman:
So Frag you believe in a Jewish conspiracy that alters information on the internet ?

That no, ok not everything. But the aftermath of WW2 wasn't pretty.

Originally Posted by :
That no, ok not everything. But the aftermath of WW2 wasn't pretty.

Yes it wasn't pretty , but take a Krook example .
What on earth does Wolinskas parentage have to do with anything when it comes to her role in Stalins show trials ?
Nothing whatsoever , absolutely nothing at all . So calling a communist crime a Jewish crime shows that he is talking bollox , if he is talking bollox it isn't a matter of aggreeing with "everything" it is a matter of seeing if there is even the slightest "something" in any of what he wrote . And it is very hard to see anything at all worthwhile in anything he wrote .
Seriously , even the signature screams deniar and anti-semite .

Originally Posted by :
We allow people like this to post? Man, maybe we should review our "Dumb opinion" statements

No , dumb opinions must be allowed , just pillory the idiots at every oppertunity:tomato:

Make that 'some truth in his statements' :beam:

Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat:
Norman Davies is an English scholar who has written a great history of Europe from a more Central-European perspective. In fact, he has studied in Cracow. He must be the best English language source for a Polish perspective.

Prof.dr. Nicolette Mout is also well worth looking into. Interesting views on the development of Central Europe.

Originally Posted by :
The Israeli letter rejecting extradition states that Morel joined the partisans of the Red Army in 1942, and was in the forests when his parents, sister-in-law, and brother were killed by Polish Blue Police officers; the next year, his brother was killed by a Polish fascist

1. Morel has not been Pole - he was Jew.
2. Communists (polish, jewish or russian) were massive killing Poles after ww2. However Jews were elite of NKWD. They were doing their job with passion - especially when killing members of Country Army - polish resistance who protected both Poles and Jews during ww2.
3. So tell me - who finally killed Morels family? Blue Police or Auschwitz creed? Because according to your previous post, whole his family has been killed into Auschwitz. I know :2thumbsup: They were killed twice!!!!
4. Probably your source is Israeli reply on polish request of extradition.
http://www1.ipn.gov.pl/download.php?s=1&id=1981
I have never seen such a bunch of lies. This is my source when I'm talking that Jewish state is covering war criminals.
Here is IPN material about Morel - temporary unaivalable into english however should be made soon.
http://www.ipn.gov.pl/portal.php?ser...dzial=2&id=812


Telling that Jews did not commit war crimes is biggest ww2 lie.


And best accusation of Morel.
That poor holocausted Jew forced polish prisoners to sing nazist songs and hurt them if they didn't know words. Yep - I think it was his dream to join arian race. Could someone tell me why people who love nazist songs are protected by Israel?

Originally Posted by KrooK:
1. Morel has not been Pole - he was Jew.

Uhm, no, he was both.

Originally Posted by :
1. Morel has not been Pole - he was Jew.

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
Well what more can be said about the bollox who uses the name Krook ?

Oh something simple

Originally Posted by :
I have never seen such a bunch of lies. This is my source when I'm talking that Jewish state is covering war criminals.

such a bunch of lies :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:you will obviously be able to show the the law that says there is no time limit on those crimes and that the statuary limitations have not indeed been exceeded in this case . But as you cannot it really is yet another case of you talking bollox .

Originally Posted by :
However Jews were elite of NKWD.

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
Keks :thumbsdown:

Polish Nazis eh :dizzy2:
It should be noted that the site Krook says is unavailable is available in English , just go to the link on Wiki and read for yourself . Also available is the full letter from the the Isreali government to the Polish government . Though of course maybe they have have been edited by the worldwide Jewish cabal who have managed to infiltrate a Polish state funded organisation and altered their records .

Oh and if you want a good laugh at Krook read the bit about the Nazis in the prison camp and try and tie it in with this crap he wrote.....

Originally Posted by :
And best accusation of Morel.
That poor holocausted Jew forced polish prisoners to sing nazist songs and hurt them if they didn't know words. Yep - I think it was his dream to join arian race. Could someone tell me why people who love nazist songs are protected by Israel?

Absolutely undeniably a complete Kek . Or perhaps just a slice of rotten stale Kek that should have been put in an airtight container long ago .

This thread is full of win :2thumbsup:

Sadly, I believe this thread has deteriorated beyond recall.

If anyone can convince me by PM that we should continue, please do so, but for now it is closed.

There were some very interesting contributions, so thanks for all that tried.

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