'finally my brother has made it here, i would accept anything you had to offer, if you check in early you would have seen i was planning to offer you a deal'
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'finally my brother has made it here, i would accept anything you had to offer, if you check in early you would have seen i was planning to offer you a deal'
The Roman Diplomat laughs at his so called feats.
You are the sons of a dead race and empire. At least us Romans can still call our empire the Roman Empire, and yet, You are shrinking by time comes, You're losing lands to the Georgian empire makes you look very strong indeed, also the fact that you dare bring your ansisters name up, that happened around five hundred years ago.. maybe alittle more. The Huns are no more, and what remain is a small, petty kingdom named the Seljuk Empire, of a Pathetic name that is. You are proud to say that you are an son of a simple minded barbarian, who could not stay put one place, attack any one who is in their way, and yet, you do say you want peace, You're barbaric fathers wern't so peacefull, I would take it you arn't either, Just because you are now sitting on a worthless heep of land doesn't make you even good. I am wondering if you would be saying that if you were in your turkish brother's spot, Where your brother's border has all of our military forces. I am not worried at all that peasent armies from the old barbaric horde tribes will cross many different nation lands, to face me, Just know that if you come to our lands Seljuk scum, You better best be praying to your gods of the peace you will have, due to the fact you will find none in our lands, scum...
The Roman Diplomat remains seated, and a bored look will come along on his face, showing that he regrets nothing of what he just said.
The Omani's diplomat stands up.
At last, The Ghorids, I hope now that the hindu's will come to this meeting as well, We must all talk about these things before Total War breaks out on the India's borders.
The Omani's diplomat sits down, still looking at the ghorids.
'turkish dipolmat stands up and begins to raise his voice right towards the ERE diplomat'
How dare you talk to us in that way, you my friend are the one with the srinking empire. Is all this rubbish that you speak of make you feel powerfull because if it does i would keep speaking my friend because you are ticking off all the empires around you, me, the russians, Great Seljuk brothers and the goldern cresent confederation can only take so much, my friend sit down before you plan your own undoing'
after analyzing the situation the kypchaks waits, he finally has a reason to say his first word since his arrival...this messenger seems to have a different approach to talking....
Ahhh! the emperors servant, how great it is to hear you speak! i wonder which one of you fellows happened to be the emperors servant! i guess it had to be the one by the Omani host on the well fead size should i say, it is good to see of your arrival, messenger of the Great seljuks and ally of my worthy friends, we could talk more later yes?
He suddenly turns to the Roman man and says:
Do you want a war dear fellow? dont hide it from me friend, wars come and go, but we will all be united eventually, dont worry, if you did want war, our kinsmen would be happy to unite you to the seljuks, your lands would be fine examples of mighty seljuk rule! I think your very respectful dear roman, so we shall treat your lands with respect if we find our selves to own them!
the kypchak finally sits, he finds a seat by the presumed seljuks and greets them...
The roman would laugh yet again.
Oh yes, I could see the turks marching thier army all they way through the georgian territory, through the turkish, to fight me. Any ways... I would quiet down if I was you Barbarian... You don't know how easily the Roman Empire could raid your sea towns...
The Roman diplomat would start to get a rather large grin.
The Kypchak replys with an even bigger grin and says
So u do want war dear fellow? your right your ships could ruin our economy, it would be tragic if i Khan lost 200 dinarri less every year, but im sure we would recover dear friend, anyway our nation dont need boats to blockade friend, we can blockade on foot:laugh4: but i thank you for allowing us to consider the drastic side effect of war with you
the Kypchak couldnt sound more sarcastic if he tried...
Dear mighty brillant roman SERVE ant
i forgot to mention that my lands are bare and scarce even are sea trade is below nought! :beam: your more than welcome to blockade on ports on any given date, your invitation to seljuk rule will be accepted graciously! for surely the only reason you would want are sea towns is because you admire there craftmanship and exquiste foreign culture!
The Roman Diplomat looked bored, not being effected by the Kiev's threats.
Well... Don't forget that once the navy comes, they will not only blockaid, but invade from there. Also, As i said, I hold the river with a fort, It is either through that one fort, Or through. The Kingdom of Georgia's lands. I will doubt that the Kingdom of Georgia wants Seljuk scum or Khan's Barbarians on his lands, I, Welcome the Seljuk to come to my borders, Have them leave their homelands so the others can reap the rewards of a Tactical Error, such a foolish attempt would see them destroyed, before they get to my borders.
The Roman diplomat let out a yawn.
If we do blockaid your towns, Raid your costal cities, reap them. What are you going to do I wonder? Try to defeat my army at the Fort between our countries? Let me make myself clear Barbarian. We can strike, Any where, at any time. If your allies, the turks think their new Alliance with other muslims are going to bring more armies at my gates, I think you will be wrong, From what I remember the Three wiser Islamish talking about the confederation. Is that they want to Defend. Not attack, Why should they come to aid a barbarian who prays to a "Sun God"? They have better things to do than waste there moments trying to save a barbarian race from being wiped out. Private words from the confederation and my closer nation friends have left me to beleive that I must make friendlier relations with the Western Turks, which I am trying. But if they declare war on me, With thier little army at my borders, they will be over run, smashed, Destroyed. I will show no mercy for the nations that threat the Roman Empire, If this Confederation is peace, then I am in no threats of a Turkish assault. I invite any of my allies to calm me down, before I tell the emperor that the Barbarians are preparing to invade. your weak cities, I would love to see your horse men catch up to my ships with the armies.
The Roman Diplomat would sigh now, and turning to the Western Turk Diplomat.
I am sure that we can find a peaceful way for this. I will make you a deal, Western Turks, And it would be wise of you to listen...
:beam: glad to see you getting into the spirit of this meeting sir!
it is becoming evident who wants war here, but i needn't repeat myself! And yes i agree that after terroizing them, wanting to steal there lands and calling them scum im sure that you really do deserve peace with the turks!
Oh, and seening as were sure huge scary barbarians dear servant of the emperor, you should not need listen to what im saying im sure your far to important to listen to the words of one who speaks truth!
But regardless i will continue, 'sun god'? i think your refering to our 'sky god' we all believe in something fellow, even you!
I thank you of informing of your wish to blockade our ports and take our sea towns, i shall tell the Khan at once! Good to see you have such an apptite for war, when your ready to invade just tell me:laugh4: its clear whos doing all the threating hear cough cough*
Messenger arrives in to the room. He then opens the letter in his hand and starts reading it with a loud voice..
"Honorable Ambassadors,
A strange sickness have taken our Caliphs physical and mental health.
We pray that Allah could make him well again.
Until that happens our friends, the Imam of Oman and the Ayyubid Sultan, will make decisions concering the Confederation.
We trust their decisions!
Ambassador Mahmud"
Messenger closes the letter, bows to the ambassadors and leaves quietly from the room.
The Roman Diplomat has an angry look on his face.
We have every right to attack you barbarians. We spoke of peace at the start and the only thing you barbarian scum have been doing is provoking the mighty roman empire. At least the Western Turks were civilized to try to make a deal. with us, and to establish peace. But for you... All you been doing is provoking the Roman Empire for war, So the Emperor Obviously knows who is the bigger theat out of the two, With the Turks Joining a Peacefull confederation. They are just thinking of good wills, and at least thinking of peace. But for you, Barbarian Scum, You can't be peaceful anywhere.
The Roman would look at the messenger from the caliph, then to the Ayyubid and Omani's Diplomat
I am sorry to hear that a defender of Islam is down with illness, one who wanted peace. Hopefully you two can keep up with the peace withen the Confederation.
The Kypchak laughs at the romans futile insults...
Oh dear, where has all your happiness and laughs gone? Now you've made me feel unwelcome!
Im being informed that you are very peaceful people, and my last few speeches have clearly been full of anger and warlike words
sarcasm is rife here...
im glad that you and the turks are at peace now, its good to hear of such friendly relations being built, you can all be my witness i have not cursed upon this man once since arrival, so your wants for war are clearly through hate of barbarians, which i completely understand friend
he yawns, then grins
The Roman Diplomat slides a proposal to the turkish Diplomat.
Think hard on this...
He sat down, now ignoring the Khan.
'turkish diplomat slowly picks paper up and begins thinking hard about what all this could cause'
Now Khan diplomat. If you planning to soil your pants in fear that the Mighty romans will be coming. If you do send a false threat that the Georgian Armies will be coming to my lands to aid for your false, barbaric empire. I would think that you are foolish.
If you don't want war you barbaric scum you may be wise to listen to the other members of the court to shut up before you get yourself in a war which you can not save yourself. If you truely want peace you would be asking for it, not provoking the beast.
The Georgian diplomat, who had been sleeping during the conversation since his arrival, finally wakes up, gets ahold of the situation, and stands up:
"ENOUGH! This is stupidity at its best! The Georgian Office of Diplomatic Service (GODS) has been swamped with demands of alliances by both the Khan and the Emperor. The Khan is also allied with the Turks, who in turn are part of the Golden Crescent, no? The Emperor however has only Antioch and Jerusalem as close allies (OOC: if I'm not mistaken, that's it, right?).
Georgia has agreed to an alliance with both nations. We shall therefore place ourselves this way: we will support the defender. If the Emperor attacks the Kypchak, we shall side with the Kypchak; if the Khan attacks the Romans, we shall side with the Romans.
And in the case anybody else attacks Rome, or is attacked by Rome, we will remain neutral, until we might be or are directly harmed."
What would you say to an alliance with Antioch?
The Roman Diplomat sighs at the Georgian.
These alliences gets in the way in all ways to expand. What do you wish the Emperor to do, Send all armies of the Eastern fronts to the western fronts? and expect the barbarians to leave us at peace? If these khans were real men they would face us man by man in battle, but they call every other nation against us after provoking our empire into battle.
Now that the truth has been discovered, about the Khan's coward tactics. I say this to the Khan, Do you simply want your allies to take the fight to Rome? while you cower away in your wastelands you call an empire? What is your next move coward? making the Kingdom of Antioch and Jerusalem, Hell, Even the African rebels apparently in africa against us too? If not, Do you wish do join this, "Golden Crescent Confederation" yourself you damn barbarian and praise to your "Sun God" that All of the powers of islam, The Ayyubids, The Trade Empire, and even the DAMN CALIPH HIMSELF to help you against the Romans? Are you THAT afraid of Roman Steel? If you wish to provoke the Roman empire, Then face me, Not hide behind all of your allies Coward.
Though, Even if I send my armies to the western front, That will only make the Victories. for sure, Bringing in massive economics. And possibility of peace in the west, which where i can bring in My western armies to the eastern front. News already reached for me that the Hungarian Empire has surrenedered in return to keep their lands, They already pay a small tribute to the Roman Empire. We are pushing back Venice from their invasion.
A man enters the room ..
Ambassadors,
I was sent here by the Grand Vizier of the Abbasid Caliphate to represent our interest.
Since the Caliph is still ill, although feeling much better now, and can not rule the Caliphate the Grand Vizier Mahmud is doing that in his name.
There are couple of things that needs to be cleared out..
If an Ally of the Member of the Confederation is attacked then this is not the problem of the Confederation. But IF that war reaches to the lands of the Member of Confederation then it will be our problem and WE WILL use every force available to defend the lands of our Member.
Also.. I would suggest not to draw our Confederation into your wars!
The man looks towards the Kypchak emissary ..
I would suggest the Roman and the Turkish emissaries to meet privately to discuss your differences.
The Caliphate can not tolerate these tensions in west!
The Caliphates Ambassador takes his seat next to the Ayyubid Emissary and nods toward him...
If this is how Constantinople feels, then I propose this: the Byzantine Empire will go to war with the Kypchak Confederacy. That's what the likely result of any further discussion, so let's agree to it now.
The twist is that no ally of either the Empire or the Confederacy will be able to participate. That is, the Turks will not intervene for the Khan, and other Christian states won't join the Emperor.
I believe this is a way of satisfying the main parties.
In other business, the Kingdom of Georgia is open to any alliance, and therefore would ally with the Kingdom of Antioch.
Well, I must agree with the Georgians most modest Proposal. To make this more of a formal War, I suggest that This war will start the first Snow Fall of 1186. Until then, We will be at peace.. and ofcourse.. We will set up the rules of this engagement. Total War would not be the path. And this is simply an act of the Kingdoms. All Cities captured by either forces are not permitted to Exterminate the Cities. As this would be an act of Total War against the People of one's nation. Until the First Snow Fall of 1186, Both Empires will be at a truce, I only suggust the First SnowFall of 1186 due to the fact we know that the Khan's armies have to travel through many miles of Wastelands to get to the front. Ofcourse, This can only happen if The turks lay their armies off our borders.
As for surrendering Terms. The country who surrender's will be considered a Vassel of the other Empire. As I said before, This is an act of the Emperors and Khans declaring war.
Does every one Agree to this most modest proposal? So every one will be known that their will be a war between the Roman Empire and the Khan's Empire at the First Snowfall of the Year 1186?
The Abbasid emissary shakes his head and says...
A wise man have said..
"The war starts when you will but they do not end when you please!"
There must be some other way than war.. But looks like non of you are interested to find one..
And looks like Kypchacks have not fight a real war yet..
You can't say that 'please don't attack us yet because our armies are on the other side of our kingdom'!
Most importantly you can't say that if YOU are the one that declares war!
If your armies are not in right place then only a stupid man declares war!!
Emissary shakes his head again and is amazed how simple minded those northern barbarians can be..
The Roman Diplomat laughs.
See? And it is funny. Roman armies could have all armies at his lands withen 1 year, and his settlements destroyed. Though, The Emperor is very generous, And will allow the simple minded barbarians to recover from a tactical Error.
The Kypchak finally speaks after hereing this...he addresses alot of people
Abbasids...
I beg your pardon, i failed to understand your words friend, but i no of not one threat since my arrival, but if you think our peoples are simple minded barbarians, that is truely your choice, just keep your messages peaceful.
Georgia...
We are most humbled by your glorious alliance, please dont concern yourself with the our peoples and our neighbours, there aggression shouldnt have to make you choose between us
Turks...
Again i wish not to influence you, but if your intentions were to attack the romans, that is entirely your decision...
ERE...
Please, no need to tire yourself! calm down, you keeping bringing war into the conversation and everyone else seems to understand you, when i have done nothing but watch! If you truely want war then fine, you can attack us, but as we dont, comments like cowards and the like are quite inappropiate!:laugh4: im sure you understand friend, im still puzzled by your want for war! if i didnt no better it would seem that i was civilized and you were barbarian friend, but what would i no?:laugh4:
Everyone else...
Please dont concern yourself with this matter, people seem to be mis evaluating the situation here, so perhaps are affairs should be private, roman friend, rather than public?
Allanices and trade may be the ERE's idea of cowardy activity but i am willing to estabish peace with anyone else who wants it!
Thank you for listening fellow messengers, i realize you have to speak for your masters and that your conversation has to be stern at times (sighs) just look at how my last messenger ended...
IT IS OFFICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
another kypchak messenger runs through the door!
THE STRONG KHAREZM SHAH HAVE AGREED TO AN ALLAINCE WITH THE KYPCHAK CONFEDERACY!
the normal kypchak messenger responds with
that is mavellous news, the turks, georgia and the kharezms have made us very happy to appciate us as brothers in arms...
he looks to the Roman
Yes of course were mindless destructive barbarians roman, barbarians who happen to have many genuine allies and peaceful intentions!:laugh4:
The Omani's Diplomat would have a tired look on his face.
It seems that all the north west does is form alliences and throw blank threats... Oh how this bores me. To see two little empires throw fruitless insults at eachother, If you mindless fools havn't notices already. Their is about to be a war Far larger than any of your wars that you will ever produce in the Far East. Having well over 4 FULL armies at eachother's borders. I am talking about the Ghorid Empire and The India's Nations. Clearly they have not thrown one threat at eachother, but SHOWN their intentions, All I can see is a Western man being provoked by a North Western man, or one would say a "Barbarian?" Other than that, Trying to bring the Golden Crescent Confederation's army into your battle against one Lone nation, is clearly out of the question. If the Turks do ATTACK the romans for your war that you provoked, The Trade empire will only send the turks one thing. Their Regards. No military will be sent to help them. It is foolish enough that the Turks even insist on helping Infidels fight another Infidel. If your armies are counted attacked and pushed back to your lands, and the same empire you attacked is now attacking you. Then that is fair game.
Over all. I agree exactly with the Mighty Caliphs' wisdom. Ofcourse.. The trade Empire is up helping nations out, who can repay them back ofcourse.
The ambassador of Jerusalem agrees with the Kypchak emissary's words.
" In an attempt to breach the misunderstanding between the Romans and the Kypchaks, who apparently both wish for peace, but feel they must war to achieve that peace, the King of Jerusalem has signed a new alliance to the Khan of the Kypchaks, in addition to his pre-standing alliance with the Roman Emperor. As both nations wished for peace along their borders, now it will be so. With no war or anything resembling it. Please do not go to war over this trivial matter. Not only have I forgotten the reason that this argument was started, but it would also put the Kingdom in a difficult position to have to choose between two allies. It is obvious that you both want peace, so then have it, and be done with your arguing. You should both demilitarize the border on the Danube river, trade peacefully, and perhaps even enter into your own alliance. "
And with that, Henri de Marseille sits.
[OOC: Merlox, ATPG is back on the Org, so you might want to let him take over for diplomacy...]
The Roman Diplomat is almost disgusted with the Jerusalem.
Bah, You declared an allience with them and you have your hands too full at the moment to even care if I went to war in the first place, Why try to interupt this?
[OOC: Alright, You've all seen Mr.Nice guy for the Romans, Here comes the Devil spawn knocking at the door!... XD]
i thank you for forging this allaince iwth me those of the proud catholic states, i agree with you entirely, im not sure if the Romans do. However the omani is right india and the Ghorids is a worring situation, maybe they both plan to eliminate the chaucan ragputs, it may not be so bad for the two major nations, and yes of course they havent said anything omani, mainly because the indian diplomat hasnt come yet:laugh4: