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There is such a difference between what 300 did and what other historical, but hardly accurate, films like Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven, Alexander, etc.
There is a feature of war, whereby the enemy are seen as inhuman - as monsters. It is the kind of understanding that allows such offences as Abu Ghraib to go unchecked and unquestioned by otherwise decent human beings. This moral image was transformed into the physical image of the persians. Of course people are going to realise that the persians didn't look like mutant freaks, but what they will take home from that symbology is that they were monsters, souless slaughters unfit for the title of human-being. Further symbology acts to portray the film as a battle between the western democracies and the middle-eastern tyrannies (Spartans and democracy, my arse!). This combined with the element of monstrosity in the persian soldiery paints a picture that is both relevant and bias. I'm not talking about people reflecting, "wow, those persians are awful people, I bet the iranians are as well", but a subtle connection, unknown, can seriously influence how people react to modern political messages. I'm certainly not saying that the producers of the film were playing the political game and supporting a war against Iran or against the middle-east in general, but it sure as hell wasn't responsible.
Also it was damn crap cinema. I could watch more than 15 mins before I had to switch it off. I can understand why people like it. But if we are right in assuming that ordinary people have more important things to worry about than the delicacies surrounding the political climate of the modern world today, then it sure as hell ain't responsible of a media to play to the fears and hopes of a bigoted minority and then wrap it up in an action-packed cgi fest of muscles and homo-erotic nudity. Cinema is a medium that can both entertain and be intelligent, its a shame that it so often fails to do either.
Foot
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yeh I hate when my country (Mexico) is portrayed by US producers...
(they're not the only "americans" :shifty:)
Now I understand TPC , and I agree 100% with him...
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(they're not the only "americans" )
What would you rather we call ourselves? Statsians?
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ROMA INVICTA of course I am sure that %90 of RTW player started with Julii and wiped out all romani faction and tasted to be imperator...
when I was bored with infantry I started to play Parthia.
in EB 1.1 I am not playing with any faction other than Pahlava.
If Konny or other smart guys manages to put RS Legions (I am a failure on adapting them) into EB I do not think that I will play with other than Romani
for that reason when I want to play Romans I play RS when I want to play pahlava I always play EB..
OMG I am a maniac I have two seperate RTW folder for this reason. one for EB one for RS...
10 GB...
my first PC had 8 GB HD only!.....
for foot : the world of screen is just a manipulated imaginery life... for me best of the tools for escapism......
maybe for that reason I almost never watch TV, except LOST of course....
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OMG I am a maniac I have two seperate RTW folder for this reason. one for EB one for RS...
Two folders? If you think that's much, you don't want to know how many I have... :laugh4:
Edit: A lot of mods nowadays can be used in one rtw-folder without interfering, but i think it's cleaner to use separate ones. Just a bit of superstition on my part.
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What would you rather we call ourselves? Statsians?
what about US citizens... <.<
currently it's as if someone said european and everyone though the're British >.>
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I call em "the inhabitants of teh US and A" =P
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i played as the romani in the waning months of .81aV2 :beam:
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Cinema is a medium that can both entertain and be intelligent, its a shame that it so often fails to do either.
Agreed with this sentiment whole-heartedly. I'm just too old to bother giving a shit about what Hollywood or any other broadly-defined, amorphous group is supposedly conspiring to achieve. Some see these sorts of movies as a disease; I just see them as a symptom of the larger disease of human ignorance.
FWIW, I'd actually like to see some movies portraying Americans as craven beasts. As long as the movie has action and some nifty CGI.
The best films, of course, are as Foot wishes -- entertaining and intelligent. But for me, in lieu of that, there's a time for in-depth documentary filmmaking and a time for completely mindless bullshit.
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Casse :yes:
They seemed like an intriguing bunch, and they still are.
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Saba. Actually, I started as the Ptolemaioi, but I didn't even push end turn, so it was Saba.
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Macedon. All because of Alexander.
I had a lot of fun with that campaign too.
Look!
https://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i...p226bccopy.jpg
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ummm how the hell do two different people own the deserts?
and who is bright green? ooooh wait this must be a version before i started playing... im a feckin' eegit
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What would you rather we call ourselves? Statsians?
Yes.
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Whoa! How did you and Carthage conquer Eremos? I thought the African Eremos and the Arabian Eremos were the same province. Plus, isn't there only one city in all of Eremos, Terhazza, which you cannot reach without cheating. The Arabian Eremos doesn't even have a city.
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0.7 rings a bell?
Nope, my EB experience began with v1.1 in April.
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Nope, my EB experience began with v1.1 in April.
photoshop then :smash:
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Hax means it's from a 0.7x version of EB. You can also see the Yuezhi in the northeast, where Saka have replaced them in later versions because they were somewhat out of the starting timeframe. We now have a scripted Yuezhi invasion instead, however we struggle to get the AI to use them for anything worthwhile.
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Hax means it's from a 0.7x version of EB. You can also see the Yuezhi in the northeast, where Saka have replaced them in later versions because they were somewhat out of the starting timeframe. We now have a scripted Yuezhi invasion instead, however we struggle to get the AI to use them for anything worthwhile.
This was also the time of "the desert wars" between Carthage and the Ptolemaioi, who would fight over Nubian lands all the time.
