So, what next for Americans

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Originally Posted by Bopa the Magyar

This is slightly off topic but I feel it is needed for me to understand the politics of your nation, now you said "You guys" and you often say "us" and "we", refering to DevDave and the Republicans, your person and the Democrats, respectively.

Is this how most Americans approach politics, with this kind of sincere sense of personal affiliation?

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In a word, yes. Although lies in general tend to annoy me.

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Originally Posted by Bopa the Magyar

This is slightly off topic but I feel it is needed for me to understand the politics of your nation, now you said "You guys" and you often say "us" and "we", refering to DevDave and the Republicans, your person and the Democrats, respectively.

Is this how most Americans approach politics, with this kind of sincere sense of personal affiliation?

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He's just making Dave's point for him. ~D

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Originally Posted by drone

He's just making Dave's point for him. ~D

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No, he said that the Dem idea of "bipartisanship" is complete capitulation. Which is a pretty laughable thing to say right after the Bush Administration, and after this forum has been full of threads criticizing the Dems-- criticism FROM Republicans--- as to why they haven't been harder in opposing Bush.

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Originally Posted by Bopa the Magyar

This is slightly off topic but I feel it is needed for me to understand the politics of your nation, now you said "You guys" and you often say "us" and "we", refering to DevDave and the Republicans, your person and the Democrats, respectively.

Is this how most Americans approach politics, with this kind of sincere sense of personal affiliation?

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In general, Americans embrace their political affiliations more personally than do Europeans or Asians from what I can tell. I sense the most ardent Labor supporter would call them a bunch of :daisy:, but at least they're reasonable :daisy:, or less unreasonable :daisy:. Not so in the U.S. Which is odd, as the U.S. elects individuals and Europe elects parties. (For these purposes, I'm lumping Oceania w/ Europe). I honestly don't know which way the way Canadians tend to go on this, probably somewhere in the middle.

But your point is valid. DevDave had less than nothing to do with Bush administration policies for the past years, and Koga will have equally little to do with Obama's policies. It's akin to the way a Real Madrid fan would refer to you guys when talking to a Barcelona fan, even though neither of them is on either team.

You Europeans think THIS is bad? Say something disparaging about USC Football to a USC Alumni who never played any sport. It gets ridiculous.

"Bipartisanship" is, to my way of thinking, politico-speak for MPD. If you really are bi-partisan, you're doing NOTHING but going along to get along.

They have won the right to set the agenda and move forward with it. Oppose them where it is vital because the policy or action being entertained is likely to harm the nation. Opposing and belittling just to make them suffer is rather pointless.

That's what the GOP did from 1986 to 1992, and it earned us very little. We WON when Newt stopped the pointless obstructionism and went forward with his Contract with America. The calmer portion of the GOP base wants results and a direction, not just gamesmanship.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Not so in the U.S. Which is odd, as the U.S. elects individuals and Europe elects parties.

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Not true all political systems elect individuals who happen to maybe be a member of a party or not they can just as easily be independent.

on the question what next for Americans it should be obvious get to work roll up your sleves and turn around the economy or your all screwed.