Re: Should we restrict freedom of speech?
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Originally Posted by
Alexander the Pretty Good
You don't see the difference between saying "someone should kill the president" and attempting to do so? The secret service is right to stop someone attempting to shoot the president because it'll be pretty obvious - he or she will be drawing a firearm within range of the president.
Yes, so what about school shootings?
Establish a secret service in every school so they can stop anyone who draws a firearm next to someone else or maybe check people who keep writing essays about murdering everybody else?
If security only counts for the president then I'd say he is more equal than everybody else.
The point is not to arrest everybody who opens her mouth, but those who have a serious intention, which, of course, is hard to prove, which again, is why it's not done often in countries where saying certain things is not exactly allowed.
What you do hear now and then though is that people are threatened and police can't do anything and then some day the person is found dead...I'd say that is a flawed system to we have to give everybody guns.
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Originally Posted by
Alexander the Pretty Good
Did you watch the video?
No, or maybe I started it but was distracted, don't remember.
Re: Should we restrict freedom of speech?
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Originally Posted by Husar
Yes, so what about school shootings?
Establish a secret service in every school so they can stop anyone who draws a firearm next to someone else or maybe check people who keep writing essays about murdering everybody else?
Usually those people are provided with counseling. They usually aren't restricted from continued writing.
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If security only counts for the president then I'd say he is more equal than everybody else.
The point is not to arrest everybody who opens her mouth, but those who have a serious intention, which, of course, is hard to prove, which again, is why it's not done often in countries where saying certain things is not exactly allowed.
What you do hear now and then though is that people are threatened and police can't do anything and then some day the person is found dead...I'd say that is a flawed system to we have to give everybody guns.
If it's not done often, why do it at all? I think we can afford a few deaths every once and a while in exchange for greater freedom; that's the reasoning for having cars despite the thousands killed every year.
Re: Should we restrict freedom of speech?
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Originally Posted by
Alexander the Pretty Good
Usually those people are provided with counseling. They usually aren't restricted from continued writing.
Yes, but it's a consequence that comes directly from what they say, I didn't say cut their hands off or glue their mouths shut, that's not exactly how I see the restrictions.
And for the rest you should know by now that I greatly favour trains over cars anyway, don't even try to convince me using cars. :whip:
Re: Should we restrict freedom of speech?
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Originally Posted by Husar
Yes, but it's a consequence that comes directly from what they say, I didn't say cut their hands off or glue their mouths shut, that's not exactly how I see the restrictions.
Wait, so what do you do to people who "incite violence" or whatever you want to ban?
Re: Should we restrict freedom of speech?
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Originally Posted by
Alexander the Pretty Good
Wait, so what do you do to people who "incite violence" or whatever you want to ban?
Depends on how serious you think they are, there are usually judges to decide that sort of thing.
I would start with keeping an eye on them and end somewhere else I haven't really thought of, but certainly not more than 2 years in prison, though for that there should be a biot more evidence you have to come up with after investigating them. Some kind of restraining order to let them know you are watching them should suffice in many cases. Like some piece of paper that says "please stop calling for the death of Mr. XYZ or we will be really angry." That way you can also see whether he is really serious about it because he will probably go on then and then I'd be a bit more harsh. Or she/he will kill the person right away, but then that doesn't really make a difference anymore anyway whether you have the limit on free speech or not. :shrug:
