Strategos Total War

@foot: by celts I am referring to a different group that lves just north-east of the veneti, not the galatians.

@skull: Ok I'm sure we'd all appreciate ur help. could u get working on some banners for the various poleis and other states? Also we have a moajor campaign map but I think it would be a great idea to have a number of other maps for provincial campaigns. Like on just for greece, carthage and sicily etc.

please note that this mod is not intended as competition for Hegemonia, the focus for this project is on Greek influences and areas they affected.

PS how in jumping juniper bushes do I change my avatar?

But...there aren't any Celts in that map. You've got Greek colonies like Syracuse, Italic natives, and not much else in Italy. Rome, Carthage, and the northern Black Sea aren't there either!

And there's also a problem with only giving the Achaemenids Anatolia - what about the rest of the empire, which includes Armenia, Assyria, Egypt, Greater Iran, Bactria, etc?

They'll just be pushovers otherwise, and it seems unlikely that the Achaemenid King wouldn't try to retake his lost provinces (or allow the title of satrap to become hereditary!).

It'll be like the Seleucids in vanilla RTW.

oh I know that's just a suggestion by skull, I kinda like it so we may implement it into a provincial campaign.

But this is what the current Imperial campaign map will be looking like: https://img359.imageshack.us/img359/...1008medium.jpg

I'm still working on outlining the regions but it's half done

I think we should keep it smaller, else we have an very little persian empire at the start.
I think we could better do the Persians as an emergent faction when it will destroy the Lydian Empire. Also, We should keep our focus on the Greek World.

Geographically, the map doesn't have to be exact. All that matters is that the relative powers of the era are represented accurately, and a deformed map can be a good way to do this, particularly regarding sea travel.
My proposal
https://i291.photobucket.com/albums/...xia/Lolmap.jpg
Obviously, with massigve provinces in Thrace and Anatolia, to better the relect the density of Ancient Greece.

Apply for forum/thread?

The Sparta Faction symbol:
https://img178.imageshack.us/img178/...hield4aho1.jpg

dude, I suggest you include area behind romans, alps, and Patavium (land connectin Megale Hellas with Hellas).... along with all area include Nowdays Israel and Jordania, that connectin with egypt and Karthadast... with that, you'll get better AI movement (bet in y map, Karthadast and Romani AI will just hang themself up like Casse...

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dude, I suggest you include area behind romans, alps, and Patavium (land connectin Megale Hellas with Hellas).... along with all area include Nowdays Israel and Jordania, that connectin with egypt and Karthadast... with that, you'll get better AI movement (bet in y map, Karthadast and Romani AI will just hang themself up like Casse...

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I deliberately did not include Canaan etc, so you would not have a massive Persian empire that would annihilate everything. Besides, the Greeks didn't colonise over in that direction, and that's the same reasoning behind me not including Libya and Patavium and the Dacian coast, as this is a Greek mod.

so i suggest you to get your mod on alex.... or the romans will start sitting down and sleeps like Casse

Suggestions:

Mytilene
Athenai
Lydia
Argos
Korinthos
Achaemenids (emergent)
Rhodos
A Cretan faction (Maion do you know something for Crete)
Sparta
Thebes
Macedon
Syracuse
Croton
Taras
Etruscans
Byzantium (?)

Start date:250 B.C

BI.exe

250 BCE is a bit too early, I'm still planning on using my map for the full campaign map but using a number of other maps for provincial campaigns. Also this mod is not so much focused on Greek colonisation but on Greek influences.

I like the idea of an emergent Persia destroying the Lydian Empire, but I still with to include much of the Persian Empire.

You mean, a map like Alexander Total War, but then more provinces?
That would be an huge huge project. I'd say we keep it in Greece, Megale Hellas and Mikra Asia.

Here look at this sweety:
Persian Empire:https://img29.imageshack.us/img29/21...28persians.gif
Korinthos:https://img23.imageshack.us/img23/21...128corinth.gif
Sparta:https://img199.imageshack.us/img199/...l128sparta.gif

The best Sparta emblem would be the Bodyguard emblem, it was very important for the Spartans, always going before the king.

Emblem is just fine. It should represent something most people (even those who don't know much about their history) can identify them with easily. The Lambda represents that best.

Maion

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Emblem is just fine. It should represent something most people (even those who don't know much about their history) can identify them with easily. The Lambda represents that best.

Maion

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Thats true, but EB isn't doing that as well right? I think its best to go Historical.

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You mean, a map like Alexander Total War, but then more provinces?
That would be an huge huge project. I'd say we keep it in Greece, Megale Hellas and Mikra Asia.

Here look at this sweety:
Persian Empire:
Korinthos:
Sparta:

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Korininthos picture is an Spartan shield. Apparantly the Pegasus was a popular picture in Korinthos.

Something like this?

https://img35.imageshack.us/img35/12...l128thebes.gif

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Thats true, but EB isn't doing that as well right? I think its best to go Historical.

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We're not EB, so we are going to decide about that. Possibility's there, of course.

Maion

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Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios

We're not EB, so we are going to decide about that. Possibility's there, of course.

Maion

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Depends if you guys want to teach true history here like EB.

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Something like this?

https://img35.imageshack.us/img35/12...l128thebes.gif

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Good, are you making these yourself?

Maion

What do you guys think about this load screen:
https://img26.imageshack.us/img26/82...ingscreen1.gif

Nice, though if the mod stops at Chaoronea then I don't think its really the best choice, Hoplites would probably be a better choice. :2thumbsup:

so wait those are phalangites? well that's quite nice but I feel that hoplites would suit better, either that or the map itself.

Also u can base some of your faction symbols off of coins, since they often show symbols that were important to the Poleis
here's a good site to look that up: http://www.coinarchives.com/a/

Also would the community like it if I posted the most recent units in this forum? or in the group? or in the site?

and as for my view on the Spartan icon, I feel that the tower (the bodyguard emblem) would actually suit better as it was so important to the city.

and i hate to say this skull but some of those emblems do look like they were taken from the internet and aren't quite original... (I have seen them when looking around for inspiration on the shields) How about taking the icons directly from th coins and placing them on a colored background?

PS: I found this image of a coin from one of the cities near Macedon, and I'm planning on using the symbol on the bottom on a shield. But I can't figure it out, can somebody help me determine what it is?http://imagedb.coinarchives.com/img/...image00266.jpg

Ok I'm going to use those coins thanks King_coal

Say if you don't like it:
https://img21.imageshack.us/img21/79...128corinth.jpg Corinth

Here is the coin:http://www.coinarchives.com/a/lotvie...ID=391&Lot=483

Load Screens:
https://img37.imageshack.us/img37/28...ngscreenm.jpg/
https://img41.imageshack.us/img41/42...ngscreen1.jpg/
https://img38.imageshack.us/img38/79...ngscreen2.jpg/
https://img9.imageshack.us/img9/7258...ngscreen3.jpg/
https://img37.imageshack.us/img37/61...ngscreen4.jpg/
https://img38.imageshack.us/img38/66...ngscreen5.jpg/
https://img39.imageshack.us/img39/6/loadingscreen6.jpg/
https://img30.imageshack.us/img30/46...ngscreen8.jpg/
https://img269.imageshack.us/img269/...ngscreen9.jpg/
https://img43.imageshack.us/img43/55...gscreen10.jpg/
https://img269.imageshack.us/img269/...gscreen11.jpg/

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PS: I found this image of a coin from one of the cities near Macedon, and I'm planning on using the symbol on the bottom on a shield. But I can't figure it out, can somebody help me determine what it is?http://imagedb.coinarchives.com/img/...image00266.jpg

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The one side of it depicts someone, the other depicts the mythical beast called "Hydra". Hope that helped.

Maion

@Skull that is extraordinaril well done thank ou! And I think we should use the Spartan shieldwall as our start thing but m second favorite would have to be the Parthenon. It might be a good idea to turn all of those into loading screens.

@Maion I thought it might have been the Hdra it's just that I often see it as a kind of dinosaur with lots of heads and not a snake. thanks

Faction suggestion:

Athenian Alliance:
Athenai
Ionian Cities
Kroton

Spartan Alliance/Trade Rights:
Argos
Korinthos
Sparta (Doric dialect=Sparta, not Spartè)
Syrakousai
Taras
Lydia
Thebes

Non Aligned:
Macedon
Cilicia
Epeiros
Carthage
Roma
Etrusci
Egypt
Babylon
Persia
Krètè

Ok that's 20 beautiful factions in 550 B.C
https://img32.imageshack.us/img32/5035/mapfactions.png
https://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5192/mapfactions2.png

1) It isn't necessary to have all 20 faction slots filled.

2) Why do you have Cilicia on your list Skullheadhq? Tabal Kingdom and Quwê Kingdom, the ancient kingdoms in or around Cilicia, both ended around 7th or 6th centuries BCE, and the next major kingdom in Cilicia was the Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia, nonexistant until its birth in the later part of the 11th century CE.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ian_Empire.jpg
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What do you guys think about my Macedonian faction symbol.
https://img199.imageshack.us/img199/...128macedon.jpg

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What do you guys think about my Macedonian faction symbol.
https://img199.imageshack.us/img199/...128macedon.jpg

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Makedon in Vanilla Alex! Love that...:egypt:

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https://img269.imageshack.us/img269/...ngscreen9.jpg/

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That gonna be my newest wallpaper! :laugh2: