Europeans: Is this a game changer?

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

I find it offensive.

If I say, "I hate black people, but you're ok Dave" I'd be tarred and feathered, but Vuk think's it's ok to be racist so long as the race is white.

Not very enlightened.

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Racist? Too be racist, I would have to be referring to race. I made it quite clear that I was referring to culture and a way of thinking, which I find despicable. Where exactly does race figure in? Pardon me for not engaging in ancestor worship.

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Originally Posted by Vuk

Racist? Too be racist, I would have to be referring to race. I made it quite clear that I was referring to culture and a way of thinking, which I find despicable. Where exactly does race figure in? Pardon me for not engaging in ancestor worship.

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Are the English not a "race"? Is race something only defined by skin colour for you? Do you think everyone black in Africa is the same?

If they were Rwanda wouldn't have happened.

Even if it isn't "racist" it's still offensive. I am English, my friends are English, so are my family, we are English - and apparently you hate us.

I think you need to adjust your attitude to the people around you, you might start fewer silly threads if you did.

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Are the English not a "race"? Is race something only defined by skin colour for you? Do you think everyone black in Africa is the same?

If they were Rwanda wouldn't have happened.

Even if it isn't "racist" it's still offensive. I am English, my friends are English, so are my family, we are English - and apparently you hate us.

I think you need to adjust your attitude to the people around you, you might start fewer silly threads if you did.

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lol, no, the English are not a race. They are a bunch of people (of many different heritages) camping out on a little backward island. ~;) That would be like me claiming that American was a race. (Please Megas, don't start with the Native Americans are true Americans stuff ~;))
You have no reason to be offended. I said that there were too things that I hated about the English. One was England's history, which does not involve anyone living, and therefore cannot be directed at you or your family. The other was a certain attitude, which I admitted not all English possessed, but is common in England. (thus the need for individual judgment) If you or your family don't hold that attitude, then you are a recipient of my pity, and not my disdain.
And I am sorry, but it is my right to dislike certain ways of thinking, because some are very harmful. If you don't like it, I am sorry, but that is no reason to get all anal.
In case you couldn't tell Philly, I was hardly being serious about anything I was saying in the last few posts (I thought the tone of the whole thread in the last few posts was pretty light-hearted), so chill the heck out and go take your anger out on some Irish children or something. :)

Both within the British Isles, and without, it has strangely become PC to speak about the English in a most disparaging manner. What have those genocidal maniacs done to deserve thi Why should that be okay? One would not dare speak about Jews or Blacks or Irish in the same the way the English are spoken about.


It think it is considered PC to slag off the English for the same reason it is considered PC to slag off white, heterosexual middle class men. They are thought to be on top of the pyramid. The 'standard'. A standard against which deviancy is measured. the majority against which others are minorities. (Even when several of these minorities are majorities).
While this is fine with me within the British Isles, where it makes some sense, I naturally have issues with the English being the standard elsewhere. The English are but a provincial race. Island dwelling upstarts. The standard against which other peoples should be judged deviant minorities ought not to be the Anglosaxon race, but the standard bearers of Western civilization for fifteen hundred years, the French. Therefore every time somebody says he hates the English, he insults my national pride.

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Both within the British Isles, and without, it has strangely become PC to speak about the English in a most disparaging manner. What have those genocidal maniacs done to deserve thi Why should that be okay? One would not dare speak about Jews or Blacks or Irish in the same the way the English are spoken about.


It think it is considered PC to slag off the English for the same reason it is considered PC to slag off white, heterosexual middle class men. They are thought to be on top of the pyramid. The 'standard'. A standard against which deviancy is measured. the majority against which others are minorities. (Even when several of these minorities are majorities).
While this is fine with me within the British Isles, where it makes some sense, I naturally have issues with the English being the standard elsewhere. The English are but a provincial race. Island dwelling upstarts. The standard against which other peoples should be judged deviant minorities ought not to be the Anglosaxon race, but the standard bearers of Western civilization for fifteen hundred years, the French. Therefore every time somebody says he hates the English, he insults my national pride.

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That's not true, I like to pick on everyone you weak little Frenchman. ~;)

Before the thread devolves into going more off-topic, for example "Why is it called the French Tricolour when there is only one colour?", we should return to talking about the threat of Russian Bear Riders looming on the doorstep of Europe, and the amount of concern we should express about this.

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Therefore every time somebody says he hates the English, he insults my national pride.

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Hmm, is the hate towards your general direction from French outside of the Périphérique insufficient to keep up your hopes of being among the most reviled in the world?

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Originally Posted by Vuk

lol, no, the English are not a race. They are a bunch of people (of many different heritages) camping out on a little backward island. ~;)

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Starting with "lol no" means you start at minus one.

Whether or not the English are a "race" aiming hate at 45 million people is pretty disgusting.

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Originally Posted by drone

Don't they make jokes about East Seaxe girls?

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yup, thick as planks.

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

I find it offensive.

If I say, "I hate black people, but you're ok Dave" I'd be tarred and feathered, but Vuk think's it's ok to be racist so long as the race is white.

Not very enlightened.

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i believe Vuk refers to a cultural meme, rather than a racial trait, which if true is something i can understand. as a rough example; i can only thank my lucky stars that the same electorate that chooses to keep berlusconi in power, and doesn't enmasse demand his resignation for unacceptable behaviour, is not an electorate who's choices i have to be governed by.

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

I find it highly unlikely that you, or anyone else for that matter, likes the puddings....

Also, is Dave black? :dizzy2:

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what's with this pudding business........?:dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

While this is fine with me within the British Isles, where it makes some sense, I naturally have issues with the English being the standard elsewhere. The English are but a provincial race. Island dwelling upstarts. The standard against which other peoples should be judged deviant minorities ought not to be the Anglosaxon race, but the standard bearers of Western civilization for fifteen hundred years, the French. Therefore every time somebody says he hates the English, he insults my national pride.

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as noted before, we english (read: British) are an arrogant bunch, so it had never occurred to a one among us that you might have such feelings, even know i struggle to understand it.

Thanks to the wonders of the EU, however, Berlusconi's electorate does govern the brits.... :smash:

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Starting with "lol no" means you start at minus one.

Whether or not the English are a "race" aiming hate at 45 million people is pretty disgusting.

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Racism doesn't mean " hate towards race". Racism means "hate towards a group of people". So, if you hate all blacks, you're racist. If you hate all jews, you're racist. If you hate all catholics, you're racist. If you hate all english, you're racist.

Few, if any, "anti-racists" believe there is such a thing as race, but that does not mean that "racist" is a fitting term for those with hate as described above.




Except if you hate Liverpool. That makes you enlightened.

Not only have we veered from the topic, but we are charting some very unpleasant waters.

Enough.

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