Re: Gypsies purchased a 5 year old to exploit as a dancing attraction
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Fragony
They can work in our greenhouses the day they want to, they can go to school for free. They choose to live like this. Gypsies are a plague everywhere they settle, why do you think they are always on the move, at a certain point people are getting really annoyed.
The Jews have consistently moved from place to place over the millennium. They have rarely stayed at one place for long.
Is that due to the racial and/or cultural qualities of the Jews?
Re: Gypsies purchased a 5 year old to exploit as a dancing attraction
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HoreTore
The Jews have consistently moved from place to place over the millennium. They have rarely stayed at one place for long.
Is that due to the racial and/or cultural qualities of the Jews?
Of the jeeeeeeeews. They have been here for centuries. How is that an argument I am really bad at leftist logic. I don't see any connection between jews and Roma organised crime cartels.
Re: Gypsies purchased a 5 year old to exploit as a dancing attraction
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Brenus
What left to them, what they are allowed to do. Racists have always the same circular reason. Good same story, like the Jews were cowards so they were not allowed to join the Army because they were cowards...
You perhaps remember Dale Farm?
The traveler camp set up illegally where the Police had to enforce planning regulations? Every one of those people was offered Council Housing EVERY ONE, they all turned it down in favour setting up in caravans illegally somewhere else.
Prejudice against Roma is a real issue - but that doesn't change the fact that they choose to live a certain way and are, on an intellectual level, unwilling to integrate. Even in the UK, where they are relatively integrated, they're still miserable living in houses among "Country" people. I should know, having lived in a house with a Roma woman, who was deeply uncomfortable with the whole arrangement. She also told me that her parents used to have raging arguments about whether she went to school or not, her father wanted to keep her out of school and just teach her counting.
Now she had a job, her son had a job, her family run one of the traveling fairs further south in the County. None of them would want my life, or the lives of my wealthy relatives.
That's here - I'm willing to bet that in Greece the Roma actively court pariahhood.
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They live a nomadic existence and want no master. Of course they are disliked.
Re: Gypsies purchased a 5 year old to exploit as a dancing attraction
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Andres
They live a nomadic existence and want no master. Of course they are disliked.
A bit of song
Re: Gypsies purchased a 5 year old to exploit as a dancing attraction
My impression is that the Roma aren't really nomadic by culture, just that they were a migratory people who, upon reaching Europe after some centuries of migration, developed an itinerant culture.
The question is, why have they preserved and perpetuated this sort of culture for the past millenium of living among densely-clustered peoples?
Comparison to the Jews is incomplete, as Jewish peripateticism was usually reluctant or unwilling, in that Jews wanted to settle down and for various political or economic reasons after some years or even generations had to abandon their current homes. For instance, the movements of one side of my mother's family line (though I'd prefer to check the dating before marking it) can be traced thus (denoting areas of contemporary delineation): England - Germany - Italy - Poland - Romania - Belarus - Russia - Georgia. For each major movement AFAIK, these Jews moved on due to growing local hostility, never because they were actually made their living by travelling from place to place for the purpose of engaging in commerce with fresh populations. Note the perennial Jewish love of agriculture and settled-community life - do the Roma have any such yearning?
Also, Jews tended to integrate quite rapidly when given the opportunity (e.g. laxening of legal distinctions). Are any such applicable to Roma in Europe today (e.g. 'special' tax status)?
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The DNA results showing the girl was theirs is really no surprise. My vaginal mother is half retard which makes me quarter retard but you would never know by looking at me, most people just think I am from Texas.
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“I don't see any connection between jews and Roma organised crime cartels.” Didn’t you read our friend from Kurdistan?
Re: Gypsies purchased a 5 year old to exploit as a dancing attraction
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Major Robert Dump
The DNA results showing the girl was theirs is really no surprise. My vaginal mother is half retard which makes me quarter retard but you would never know by looking at me, most people just think I am from Texas.
You can't get a HOF if you go full retard, that's my mistake:mad: :smoking:
Re: Gypsies purchased a 5 year old to exploit as a dancing attraction
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Originally Posted by
Montmorency
My impression is that the Roma aren't really nomadic by culture, just that they were a migratory people who, upon reaching Europe after some centuries of migration, developed an
itinerant culture.
The question is, why have they preserved and perpetuated this sort of culture for the past millenium of living among densely-clustered peoples?
Comparison to the Jews is incomplete, as Jewish peripateticism was usually reluctant or unwilling, in that Jews wanted to settle down and for various political or economic reasons after some years or even generations had to abandon their current homes. For instance, the movements of one side of my mother's family line (though I'd prefer to check the dating before marking it) can be traced thus (denoting areas of contemporary delineation): England - Germany - Italy - Poland - Romania - Belarus - Russia - Georgia. For each major movement AFAIK, these Jews moved on due to growing local hostility, never because they were actually made their living by travelling from place to place for the purpose of engaging in commerce with fresh populations. Note the perennial Jewish love of
agriculture and
settled-community life - do the Roma have any such yearning?
Also, Jews tended to integrate quite rapidly when given the opportunity (e.g. laxening of legal distinctions). Are any such applicable to Roma in Europe today (e.g. 'special' tax status)?
To take the last question first: the Scandinavian Roma(tatere) are integrated well. Secondly, remember that the Roma were victims of the Holocaust as well. That should give a clue as to the persecutions they have had to put up with, and justifies a comparison to the Jews. The case of this thread is a nice illustration of one of the Roma stereotypes; that of the babysnatcher. A stereotype they share with the Jews and the Freemasons, which are "coincidentally" two other groups the OP has expressed distrust of. At least they're not accused of gutting her and selling the meat to the turks this time... Progress!!
Thirdly, a question for you: do you happen to know the ratio of travelling Roma to settled Roma, by any chance? The vast majority is settled, mostly in the Balkans. So... In reality, they have not kept a nomadic lifestyle. They have settled, and they have taken "normal" work.
Perhaps because they are humans like the rest of us...?
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and justifies a comparison to the Jews.
Well, we were speaking specifically in regard to the notion of an unsettled lifestyle, I guess.
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Thirdly, a question for you: do you happen to know the ratio of travelling Roma to settled Roma, by any chance? The vast majority is settled, mostly in the Balkans. So... In reality, they have not kept a nomadic lifestyle. They have settled, and they have taken "normal" work.
So then it's just a run-of-the-mill 'poor ethnic minority' situation, if even? Stats and links would be nice here; why are such Orgahs as PVC sure that Roma have refused to settle when offered the opportunity by governments?
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Speaking of links (that I'm quickly skimming):
Throughout Europe, large proportions (and in Eastern Europe, often large majorities) of Roma live in segregated and isolated rural communities.
Roma in (at least) Eastern Europe don't complete enough schooling.
Other stuff.
So, discrimination and their socioeconomic past keep the Roma stagnating in their segregated communities, with poor educational attainment and participation in low-skilled or informal work perpetuating the condition and the stereotype.
Re: Gypsies purchased a 5 year old to exploit as a dancing attraction
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Andres
They live a nomadic existence and want no master. Of course they are disliked.
This is a very romanticised view about colourfully clothed, singing and dancing travelling roma who move in a sort of caravan and sit around bonfires in the evening, telling stories. This is a very cute western thing to imagine. I've heard that the roma in spain are like that. Ours are quite different. We have maybe a dozen or so families doing this, we call them "kalaydjii" as their main source of income is mending large metal untensils made of copper, tin and such.
The vast majority however live in slum like neighborhoods and the reality there is much less romantic.
Re: Gypsies purchased a 5 year old to exploit as a dancing attraction
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Montmorency
So then it's just a run-of-the-mill 'poor ethnic minority' situation, if even?
Yes, hence the comparison to the jews(who were pretty poor and marginalized in the russian empire).
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Montmorency
Stats and links would be nice here; why are such Orgahs as PVC sure that Roma have refused to settle when offered the opportunity by governments?
I gave you a link from the council of europe, what more do you want? As to why some are sure the Roma have refused to settle: prejudice and lack of knowledge.
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There is a small cul-de-sac near where I live, where the 'Gypsies' live. When I was little around Christmas time, my parents and those of other children, used to take all their children there, as the houses were all done up in lights, sledges, ornamental reindeer and such. One of those "Oh wow" moments when you are small and you don't know any better.
Only in my teens when I was taught they were settled Roma's whilst studying History. Before then, I thought they were simply people in big houses who like to do extravagant Christmas decorations as part of their tradition.
