Unvote; Vote:El Brato
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Unvote; Vote:El Brato
So to understand some of you better. I'm going to ask 2 questions to kind of understand where you are coming from.
1. If you are scum how would you approach a closed setup?
2. If you are town how would you approach a closed setup?
You sure know how to insult people El Baritone. I was merely playing with your name since Scarlett misspelled it in the post before (and did again :P )Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
1. I would ruthlessly spread hints around me untill I hang.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarlett Aria
2. Not like this, that's for sure.
What is a closed setup?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarlett Aria
Finals are over in two days. I've come back from hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
After meticulous reading and analysis of the players, the only logical hint I can afford is this snake reference. Therefore...Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
Vote:Severing Viper
Also thank Random.org :bow:
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Originally Posted by Beskar
A setup (like this) where there is an unknown mix of roles. That is, not a vanilla game, where it's known there's at most a cop and/or doctor, or an open/semi-open setup, where the exact roles or a list of potential roles present, respectively, are given in the opening post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xWjTyOdFVI :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zain
I was wondering if/when someone would pull something like this ~;p
.......Kindly pretend I didn't quote that twice.
Thank you, Viper. Then I will answer the questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
1. If you are scum how would you approach a closed setup?
This is the easier question of the two. If it is unknown quantity, lynch it, kill it, burn it in fire. Most unknown roles are against the scum, so having a powerful individual with power is a threat and trying to 'invite them in' always turns out bad for the scum who in all essence, can hide. The town is generally disorganised and suspicious, don't need boy wonder to reveal the secrets of the universe so easily.
2. If you are town how would you approach a closed setup?
This is the harder one, mostly because not all power roles are your friends. There has been multiple occasions they have negatives such as being a serial killer/renegade which makes them equal to the scum on the priority lynch-list. There is also the instances of false-claims, after all, scum know who other scum are, so can feign a detective for instance, and even 3rd parties wouldn't be so quick to come forward to correct an innocent result. Generally, there is usually recognition of the role, such as a doctors actions can appear in a write up, similar to role-blocker and other roles, and it is usually handy for 'confirmed townies' roles to work together such as a doctor protecting a known role-blocker who can speak with a voice. However, this game has no out of game communication which makes liasion like this very risky, but a rule of thumb is: If the scum doesn't try to kill them, then there is a reason why if they are unknowns. Thus off to the lynch they go.
tl;dr version of both is: Kill them unless proven otherwise, and even then they are still suspicious wildcard factor.
** Anybody know why quotes aren't getting added to my reply box? (Doesn't matter which of the quote buttons I click, nothing new is getting added).
I didn't think Beskar was playing the 'in the dark townie thing' initially - #52 'Never heard of anti-claim mechanics other than getting night killed or lynched for claiming before' read more knowing than spacey to me, but the fact his second question was 'what's a closed setup?' (#95) pushes it a bit.
@Beskar - how many games have you played?
I don't see anything suspicious about Raith's speculation that players may have more mechanical knowledge.
I like the way Raith handled Al Sipsclar's vote etc and the fact that he later prodded inactives.
I agree with Al Sipsclar in #88 that it's better to be active and stir the pot. However, I can't tell how serious he is with his votes so far and if he's serious I'm not a fan of the votes/reasoning for votes on Raith or Edse, or the way he switched to Edse after people didn't follow him on Raith. I do recognise this could be just looking for a response.
@Al Sipsclar - What made you lean Town on Winston in the middle of your vote on Raith in post #59 ? At that point he'd made like three posts.
On others:
@El Barto - Are you playing seriously yet? Literally all of your responses (#80and #81, #84) have been tongue-in-cheek and not much else. Is that a thing for you/here on D1?Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Vote: Cass_. You're posting, but not voting. Why?
My leans are just my reads. More the intuition than the hard science. And this is just D1, there's nothing much to go on yet.
Also, El Barto is always unreadable.
1. Exactly the same way as Scenario #2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarlett Aria
2. Exactly the same way as Scenario #1.
Does Csargo always stop posting and goes MIA when he's randed mafia?
Anyone told Cuthillius the game has started?
He's not mafia, he's third party!Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarlett Aria
I do not consider that a valid vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarlett Aria
1: Kill the town, win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarlett Aria
2: Kill the mafia, win.
Whaat? I post in English using the Latin alphabet. I could be using other languages and/or alphabets at you. But, still, at least you follow reason and vote for Cass_.Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar
I played regularly on the Org around.. 3 years ago? First time after a long break.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cass_
First question is I have never had a game where someone claimed something in-game have in resulting on GM effects on their roles, which is an interesting idea but I have never experienced that in a game before so I am unfamiliar with such a set-up being used.
Second one you pointed out, I was unfamiliar with the term "closed set-up" so I was asking for clarity if it meant "not communicating outside of thread" or simply "unknown quantity of roles" which it was clarified as. So it seems if I used my initial assumption, I would have been answering incorrectly. The latter I usually put that down as 'typical Org mafia game' as we rarely played vanilla, especially in my games.
Eitherway, I am not clueless or intending to be as such.
Yes, but they didn't tell the internet here to stay up yesterday, unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar
Vote:El barto doesn't seem very good right now. Can read through in more detail at another point.
At least we've managed to avoid the snake puns.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeveringViper
Firstly, I'd ask this question before we started.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarlett Aria
Second, I'd wonder if the mafia is idea starved and rooting around for information with this. But that's early paranoia.
Third, as town, I'd try to get a lot of information out there and be open to talking with the 3rd parties if possible. Don't know if they're hostile till they're hostile. Sprinkle with skepticism and an itchy lynch finger if unaccounted for kills or powers are flying around inconveniently.
As mafia? I'd either ignore your question, or lie to you point blank about what I was really doing.
No no no. It's day 1. Unless you're a master vote logician, day 1 votes are gibberish until you've had a few days to stew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightbringer
Talking is great day 1. The mafia don't yet know what the town culture's gonna be like. They have to make wild predictions and then try to be consistent later. Day 1 for a mafia is great if they can slink by with nothing but a vote. Or anything at all. I don't like the OMGUS here frankly. It makes me want to poke you more later.
Double posting cool here?
Didn't see anything on the forum rules...
Yey! quotes work! Added numbers for easy referenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar
1). Because I don't feel I have enough to go on to say someone's actually scummy yet - see your own comment in 2) and add in the fact I don't know how any of you traditionally play. Communication's important to me in this game. I typically look for things that I think have potential for scummy motive, question them and wait for the responses before I cast a vote.
Can you confirm if 2). was in response to my question about your Town read of Winston? If so, that was kind of my point - it seems weird to me to call someone Town with so little to go on ITT and I'm trying to understand if you have meta/Town tells on Winston that I wouldn't be aware of.
3). Can you elaborate? As in he never posts anything but jokes?
I don't mind as long as the content is different and relevant. Sometimes things are simply easier in multiple posts than in one big one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler
Meta's kind of a trap like that. It's too useful until you don't have it. You must have someone to settle on. Anyone. The vaguest idea? Someone you'd be at peace dying here if everyone else looked decent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cass_
Why do you cast a vote that -we both agree- is not a good vote?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
He'd managed to escape notice until you made that post. He won't wriggle out of that now!Quote:
Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler
Within limits, yes. Making one or two long-ish posts is considered better than making six posts in a row. This forum allows and encourages multioquoting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler
I beg your pardon? My answers to ScarlettAria were 100% serious. Or maybe 99.99% serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cass_
Tell me more.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
These two actually made me lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
For now, I take it your silence indicates that your gentlemanly response to my bold question below
is something along the lines of PAFO?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cass_
You say that it's not a good vote. I consider all votes on me to be bad votes, by definition. So, we agree that it's not a good vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuthillius
I am unaware of what PAFO stands for, my fair lady.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cass_For now, I take it your silence indicates that your gentlemanly response to my bold question below
is something along the lines of PAFO?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cass_
It's day one. No one should look scummy yet. 5 bucks says that a hapless townie is going to be lynched today, and mafia don't even have to participate in the lynch. They would pull all the tricks to avoid the responsibility. They may happily vote off the wagon or for each other. But sometimes they have to move their vote to avoid being lynched on D1. So, voting early and seeing who voted who and when is important. It is your duty as a townie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cass_
My read on Winston is totally metagamish and not a very definitive one. I might be totally wrong. El Barto is always very entertaining, but hard to tell for me if he's scummy. The only tell I have for him is that the more active he is, the more chances are he's town.
Me neither... but I bet they don't know Rule #1!Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
But this game you've been 100% on your guesses so far, voting me is a bad vote. What is your read on Winston, anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar
Hmmm… really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar
Some would argue the exact opposite.
I wish you had stuck with Tiaexz as a name… A couple months ago I binged through OotS' archives (exactly 100 pages a day) so now I keep calling all female orc characters Therkla and keep calling you Belkar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
I actually had the same thought. Scarlet's question could be genuine, but it's also so broad to be essentially useless (I know of essentially no players who have any one go-to strategy).Quote:
Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler
About the reading El Barto stuff: conventional wisdom says that El Barto plays as scum when town and as town when scum. His play right now (distracting, noticeable, sarcastic) reminds me a lot of how he approached the Red Dwarf on CFC, and he was town there. Meta isn't something I'd lean too heavily on with Barto. He breaks a lot of norms, and his strategy isn't at all consistent across multiple games.