Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

He only said "Not(ic)ed". Granted, I'm interpreting that, but why are you saying my interpretation is wrong?

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Maybe it's mine that is wrong. I figured he was referencing my play in previous games.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

I mean, I can link you to a post describing my play made by someone I play with regularly, though it is a few months old.
What I do notice though is that you don't really describe any difference in terms of my town or scum play, but I'm not sure how many of either we have played together. Other than that it's sort of just a description of my personality.

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He's made a point of saying he might not be able to read you correctly because of having played with you regularly before and having formed a preconception of how you play. Are you saying he hasn't played with you that regularly?
I'd say rather that he's only describing how he sees/what he looks for in your town play, since nobody talks about how mafia is rarely "wrong".

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Originally Posted by Sooh

What did I miss?

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Questions to Raith and what I meant by that question to novice in regards to analyzing things.

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Originally Posted by novice

Maybe it's mine that is wrong. I figured he was referencing my play in previous games.

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Saying that this approach of being the detective/interrogator is unusual for you?

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Originally Posted by Sooh

I mean, I can link you to a post describing my play made by someone I play with regularly, though it is a few months old.
What I do notice though is that you don't really describe any difference in terms of my town or scum play, but I'm not sure how many of either we have played together. Other than that it's sort of just a description of my personality.

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That's what I was aiming for though.

Sure, I'd like a link, although I'm not planning on doing external research on 16 players.

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Originally Posted by novice

That's what I was aiming for though.

Sure, I'd like a link, although I'm not planning on doing external research on 16 players.

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No comment on Sooh appearing to say you don't know her play as well as you claimed?

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

He's made a point of saying he might not be able to read you correctly because of having played with you regularly before and having formed a preconception of how you play. Are you saying he hasn't played with you that regularly?

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The point was rather that I've played with her enough to from a stereotype and little enough that it might be way off.

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

I'd say rather that he's only describing how he sees/what he looks for in your town play, since nobody talks about how mafia is rarely "wrong".

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Yes, exactly.

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

Saying that this approach of being the detective/interrogator is unusual for you?

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No, I thought he was saying that he had noticed me not being good at drawing conclusions.

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Originally Posted by novice

The point was rather that I've played with her enough to from a stereotype and little enough that it might be way off.

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Oh, hm. I understood it as that enough time had passed that her play style could have changed, but that comes out to the same thing tbh.

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Originally Posted by novice

No, I thought he was saying that he had noticed me not being good at drawing conclusions.

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Ah.

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

He's made a point of saying he might not be able to read you correctly because of having played with you regularly before and having formed a preconception of how you play. Are you saying he hasn't played with you that regularly?
I'd say rather that he's only describing how he sees/what he looks for in your town play, since nobody talks about how mafia is rarely "wrong".

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Regularly is a very loose term in that case. I've played less than 10 games here on this site I believe, not all of them with novice, and over the course of a couple of years. That would also be the reason why I don't feel like I have much in terms of meta on players here, but rather play from what I see, not what I expect.

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

Questions to Raith and what I meant by that question to novice in regards to analyzing things.

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I don't understand. Are you looking for me to answer something?

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Originally Posted by novice

That's what I was aiming for though.

Sure, I'd like a link, although I'm not planning on doing external research on 16 players.

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From November last year, so it's a bit older than I remembered. Post

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Originally Posted by Sooh

Regularly is a very loose term in that case. I've played less than 10 games here on this site I believe, not all of them with novice, and over the course of a couple of years. That would also be the reason why I don't feel like I have much in terms of meta on players here, but rather play from what I see, not what I expect.

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I see.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

I don't understand. Are you looking for me to answer something?

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Nah, just saying it looks like you said I was doing nothing when I'd already started asking questions.

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Originally Posted by novice

The point was rather that I've played with her enough to from a stereotype and little enough that it might be way off.

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That's sort of what I got from it, yes. I was a bit confused by Viper's insistence that you said you knew my play well.

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

Nah, just saying it looks like you said I was doing nothing when I'd already started asking questions.

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No, I'm not sure where you saw that in my posts. I don't feel like I've commented much on your play at all.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

That's sort of what I got from it, yes. I was a bit confused by Viper's insistence that you said you knew my play well.

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Originally Posted by novice

Not particularly, I don't remember many specifics. I guess I have a (unverbalizable) mental model of what kind of player you are, and if you do something at odds with that I might react. But of course that could then just be an error in my model.

I have you stereotyped, I guess.

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This, the mention of having stereotyped you especially, implies he has enough experience from games with you to have enough knowledge of how you played for there to be bias.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

No, I'm not sure where you saw that in my posts. I don't feel like I've commented much on your play at all.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

Looking forward to seeing when you start analyzing things though.

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Ok, I can't say that I necessarily agree with you or see the same things you see, but that might be due to different experiences. I do like that you're being thorough, and I think by keeping a steady line of questioning it'll ultimately make it really difficult for mafia to keep up. That being said, what I meant when I said I was looking forward to your analysis was that I was looking forward to seeing what you're getting from your line of questioning, and how you interpret the responses that you're given.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

Ok, I can't say that I necessarily agree with you or see the same things you see, but that might be due to different experiences.

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Probably.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

I do like that you're being thorough, and I think by keeping a steady line of questioning it'll ultimately make it really difficult for mafia to keep up.

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I get the feeling you're in teacher mode and it's unintentionally condescending. It's still condescending. I have experience with this game and I know what I'm doing and why.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

That being said, what I meant when I said I was looking forward to your analysis was that I was looking forward to seeing what you're getting from your line of questioning, and how you interpret the responses that you're given.

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Fair enough, you can be assured I have gained, and expect I will get, things out of them.

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Originally Posted by Csargo

Vote: seireikhaan

I want to see how cranky he'll get.

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Csargo used taunt! It's a critical hit!
seireikhaan's anger point activated!


Back in my day we didn't have fancy schmancy things like "role reveals" or "information". We voted for people because they ate spicy meatballs and liked it! Nowadays everyone wants to push and shove and pull and prostrate. All you need to solve mafia is your gut and your heart and the Truth!

Vote: Novice for being on my lawn.

i like sooh as town, from the way she's getting involved in the discussion/argument/whatever

slight v lean on novice as well, perhaps gh too

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

I get the feeling you're in teacher mode and it's unintentionally condescending. It's still condescending. I have experience with this game and I know what I'm doing and why.


Fair enough, you can be assured I have gained, and expect I will get, things out of them.

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By all means. It couldn't have just been a compliment of your style and a town lean.

I sense that novice is posting from his Pokédex.

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Originally Posted by novice

Poisonous snakes are only a problem to people planning to eat them.

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What do you think Pokeymans eat out in the wild?

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Originally Posted by Sooh

By all means. It couldn't have just been a compliment of your style and a town lean.

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People read things differently from different positions, like you said. All I'm saying is that it can be read like that and I'd assure you others would have that interpretation too.

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

People read things differently from different positions, like you said. All I'm saying is that it can be read like that and I'd assure you others would have that interpretation too.

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Well it probably won't be a very nice game if you want to interpret everything the worst way possible.

If I sound "teachery" or condescending, that's not the intention. I've never had that problem before with people interpreting me that way, but since you do I assume there could be something lost in translation.

All right, maybe we should all enjoy the game and quietly backstab everybody else during the night phase?

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Originally Posted by novice

To elaborate, either you're filling the thread with stuff you deem pointless, or you were shading me when you called it pointless.

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Alignment question was pointless. Leads nowhere. Everything else I'll humor.

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Originally Posted by SeveringViper

Related question mainly out of curiosity: If you think you have one wolf caught, do you go for the throat right away even if it gets you killed, or wait and try to find/case more suspects/catch other wolves before you charge?

And why does this sound like a long way to say "I believe in basic active town tactics?" Sounds like you're lecturing, why?

(Also, which gens have you played and which is your favorite? favorite 'mon from each gen/overall?)

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I was ranting. About the game last year with Golden. Where I tunneled because he scared of dying. Out of my system. For now.

I like going for the wolf when I see it, damn the consequences. But I also tend to self doubt and wait till sure. The wait and team theory build is impressive. But takes a more confident analyst than me. First blood helps that anyway with a solid evidence. Do you actually want me to share the gen thing? I can, but it'd be spammy. But it's been awhile and want to socialize.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

So, my first thought was that novice is a bit scummy for pushing the "everyone needs to give me your own descriptions of your playstyles" thing just a bit too hard, especially as he's been on this forum before and I don't recall him doing it when he was truly new (and town) to boot. There's a couple posts in there about ideal town strategy, etc, but that's pretty easy to fake as scum.

Sooh and Viper probably not aligned.

Vote: novice

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Novice seems too easy. His stop having fun guy style bristles, but neutral alignment-wise. Don't like seeing him die day 1 as yet.

Threads pretty unbalanced activity wise. Not sure what to make of that. I like Viper better than Sooh currently.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

I sense that novice is posting from his Pokédex.

What do you think Pokeymans eat out in the wild?

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Other pokemon.

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Originally Posted by Raith Kemmler

I like going for the wolf when I see it, damn the consequences. But I also tend to self doubt and wait till sure. The wait and team theory build is impressive. But takes a more confident analyst than me. First blood helps that anyway with a solid evidence. Do you actually want me to share the gen thing? I can, but it'd be spammy. But it's been awhile and want to socialize.

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I like this, town always could use someone itching to go for the throat but also willing to take some time to think about things.
And nah, that was meant as a little side comment back when the game was just starting, I think it's too far along now to go that far off-topic.

Speaking of game relevance, what do you think of GH and Barto?

I've got nothing on Bart. Never do Day 1. Shoot in midgame if no wolves caught. Maybe shoot anyway. Bart's more a, he looks hairy if paired with other people. People I've a better read on. He's easier to theory around.

GH's rational is weak, but! I assumed this was novice's first game here. Apparently not. Would like a summary of previous game meta. Novice is so active this might actually help. I rate GH as a bit shady.

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Originally Posted by Sooh

Moving. How fun.

Good to see you though.

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Yeah moving sucks, but I bought a house, my first, so it is well worth it!