Bush pledges $50 million to Palestinian Authority

Wonderful post
Yes apart from a few little details , like giving a figure for Non-Muslims fleeing from one part of the country that is near the top estimate for all people of all religeons fleeing within the whole sub-continent . It also doesn't take note that just like Palestine they have been fighting over the partition for the past 50 years , with massacres and atrocities that make Palestine look like a holiday camp .
Sooo..... just another wonderful example of the long term conflict that happens when you partition an area .

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Originally Posted by PanzerJager

And of all these groups which ones are still refugees? One single group of people have claim to that dubious honour. The Palestinians!

Wonderful post. :thumbsup:

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Well I thought so, but apparently not everyone is of that opinion.

This is a Kenyan refugee camp;
http://img263.echo.cx/img263/8251/ke...camp2cy.th.jpg

This is an Afghani refugee camp;
http://img263.echo.cx/img263/4407/re...azar5gu.th.jpg

This is an Arab village;
http://img263.echo.cx/img263/8682/village26ek.th.jpg

This is what is called a Palestinian refugee camp;
http://img263.echo.cx/img263/682/ein...camp1wi.th.jpg

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Thats zionism not the policy of the government of Israel. Its old and a very poor argument concerning todays problems.

Palestine is a very elusive term. Exactly where are you speaking about? Again theres nothing stopping them from anexing all of the westbank much as you seem to say they want to control it.

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It is still the root cause of the entire problem.

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Thats all you have on your side is emotial rehtoric. The Israeilis have lost many women and children who were intentionaly targeted by Palestinians. The point is that the arabs could have taken in these refugees.

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You have your emotional rhetoric and I have mine. ~;)

Besides, why should the other Arab countries have to take them in? if I steal from you, is it Panzerjager's duty to make up your loss?

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

I think they get more than that. Egypt alone I believe get 2 billion.

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I wish they'd send some of those greenbacks my way. :saint:

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Again you act barbaric you get treated as barbarians. Its the terror and the terror alone that causes their problems. You seem as blind as they to the cause of the never ending problem there.

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The fundemental reason for everything going on between the Palestinians and the Israelis is that the Israelis are stealing Palestinian land and resources and brutalizing the people and won't get the hell out.

You say the terror is the cause, but you have said that times were very good for the Palestinians before the Intifada, that means there was a modicum of peace. But during those times the Israelis didn't leave the occupied territories, on the contrary, they built more and more illegal settlements and imposed harsher laws regarding day to day life in the territories. So if the Israelis won't leave when times are good and they won't leave when times are bad... when the hell are they going to leave?

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It is still the root cause of the entire problem.

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No the root of the problem is Palestinian terrorism

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Besides, why should the other Arab countries have to take them in? if I steal from you, is it Panzerjager's duty to make up your loss?

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Well if I stole it from someone else a.nd never even ha.d title to it is it really mine? Besides if I were in need Im sure Panzer would gladly lend me a hand

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The fundemental reason for everything going on between the Palestinians and the Israelis is that the Israelis are stealing Palestinian land and resources and brutalizing the people and won't get the hell out.....

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No once more the reason is Palestinian terrorism. Did the Israelis one day just decide that they would march in and start brutalizing Palestinians for no reason. Are they even more barbaric than the Palestinians? I dont think so. According to thinking like that we brutalized the Japanese and the Germans after WW2. There was a war and the Palestinian side lost. The Israelis are the winners. Its a fact that in war the winners make the terms not the losers. S.top giving these people hope. You are and people like you are directly responsibe for causing the deathsd of people on both sides. Until the Palestinains and all terrorists rea.lise tha.t the world wont put up with their shite they will continue their barbaric practices. Yes I hold YOU responsible. The Israelis have control of their government and people. If they make an agreement their government is capable of upholding it. The Palestinans cant do the same. Until they take control of themselves and take responsibility for their a.ctions theres nothing anyone else can do to help them.

Gawain, both sides are at fault. The Isreali government for acting horribley, and certaint Palestinians for acting equally as bad. And the point is the people, not the leadership of the people. The people need help, not whoever is in charge of them.

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Gawain, both sides are at fault.

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I never said different.

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And the point is the people, not the leadership of the people.

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Thats what I said . Until the Palestinian people get decent leadership their doomed.

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The people need help, not whoever is in charge of them.

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How do we help them. Theve already been sent more aid than any other nation per capita. God helps those who help themselves. They need to get a grip on themselves. They have to get over the attitube that Beruit has of the Jews stole my land and realise if they want their country the terror has to stop. That is the only way this will ever work. All the rest is just hot air and will get them no where.

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Originally Posted by PanzerJager

Wow there are some ungrateful people in here. If I supported a group of downtrodden people and Bush sent them 50 million I would at least restrain myself. But no, were still bad, hes still evil, blah blah blah.. You wonder why we arent as giving to people, its because they take our money with no problems but then spin things to where we are still the bad guys.

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Well I dipped my toes in the waters of the Israel/Palestine argument a little bit in this thread, but will do so no more.

I have to say that I agree with Panzer here. The fact that there are those who have still managed to find a way to criticize the U.S. for trying to reach out by giving $50 million to a group of people who at best are indifferent to America and her interests and at worst harbor a strong hatred for everything America stands for, shows me that some people simply don't have it in their souls to ever admit that the U.S. might have done a good thing.

As I said before $50 million isn't going to solve a whole lot of problems, but it's a good start.

When someone pledges a certaint amount, it often falls short, no? Or am I mistaken?

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How do we help them. Theve already been sent more aid than any other nation per capita. God helps those who help themselves. They need to get a grip on themselves. They have to get over the attitube that Beruit has of the Jews stole my land and realise if they want their country the terror has to stop. That is the only way this will ever work. All the rest is just hot air and will get them no where.

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Hmm. Well we could help them by getting Isreal off their back a little. Though I do think that they need a good government that will be willing to work out something that is best for the people.

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

They need to get a grip on themselves.

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Interesting. How does one get a grip on one's self while another has a steel gloved hand tightly around your throat?

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

They have to get over the attitube that Beruit has of the Jews stole my land and realise if they want their country the terror has to stop.

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What country? It was carved up like a roast and fed to the predators sixty years ago courtesy of the UN. They only have the table scraps left. And the Israelis are even stealing those!

It can also be voiced that if the Israelis want the terror to stop, maybe they should stop with the torture and the imprisonments and the raids and the humilations and the theft of land and water and the draconian laws. Remember, Israel is occupying Palestine, not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

That is the only way this will ever work. All the rest is just hot air and will get them no where.

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Indeed. It's plain to see a lucid argument concerning basic human rights will go nowhere with the Israelis.

"Um, could you stop torturing and killing us please?"

"Oh shut up, that's just a lot of hot air."

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I have to say that I agree with Panzer here.

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I just saw a pig fly by my window.. ~:eek:

Must be The Floyd.